Does a magnum air rifle increase range? 

Well what brought this thought up in my head was my other rifle. Its a .177 and the drop difference between a 7.5 grain and a 10.5 grain was significant. So I figured that would translate over to the magnum. So I shot a 14 grain and a 21 grain and I was wrong. Even though there was a 7 grain difference I also figured there would be a distance in which the 21 grain slug would hit lower and I wanted to see where that range was.. In summary I ended up back at where I started...That's life I guess. Also you don't have to worry about me getting caught up in the technicalities, I don't know enough about airguns for that to bother me. Its more like a thought or question that just pops in my head and I have to get it figured out. Plus since I know so little about it I approach it as a consumer would.

Man that sounds pretty interesting. I will try to find it and check it out.

Watched this video again this week just to refresh and figured he moved to "Pelletonix" because of yt flagging him but he didn't post in a while! He did answer me like yesterday on the Trotliners channel haha

Thanks bud.... I actually ran into the same issue today that you did the other day. Today I tried to film the impact force with various objects. Ended up scrapping the whole video, deleted all of the footage and etc... I just couldn't compete with the wind. Oh well. Put that thought in my back pocket for another day I guess.

@@Fatherhood4 Yeah it happens! I'll be watching!

I totally agree on the shock. I can feel the difference between this one and the first airgun I tested. I want to see where the limits are with this one... As in what weight does it really start to see a significant change. I figured (wrongly) that there would be a difference between the 14 and 21 at 100.

Honestly I had no idea you could even get pellets with those kind of specifics. This was based on something I noticed when I was shooting my first airgun (.177). There was a big drop difference between 7.5 grain and 10.5 grain. So I just assumed there would be a difference between 14 grain and a 21 grain with this new magnum. I was wrong.

I officially concur with this assessment. :)

Thanks bud. I tried to make the best out of a bad situation and limited time.

Well there you go. I know when I shot a plastic water bottle at 100 with the .177 budget gun, it hit it hard but not enough to penetrate it. However at 25 yards it destroyed a can. What would be interesting if I had a chronograph is to see what the fps is at 25, 50, 75, 100. However that's for another day seeing how I don't currently have a chrono, a decent scope and most importantly, faith in myself that I wouldn't destroy it. My luck isn't very good. In fact I have a better chance of winning the lottery if I don't play. You also bring up another good point that I can't wrap my head around. Some rifles produce much less power but are more accurate at longer distances, especially the pcps. I am assuming its the rifling or the barrel is just that much better. I just don't know.

Yeah it was a terrible condition but I was making do with the weather I had. Before this day it rained like 4 days in a row. That’s why I opted to test drop vs pellet weight in a magnum. I knew what kind of drop my .177 had with a difference in 1-2 grains. I assumed 7 grain difference would have made an impact. I was wrong. I need to test around a 30 grain.

I was just glad to hit the box... But now that you mention it and I didn't really consider it. They did group pretty decent at that range especially with the wind... I believe there was someone who commented on a video one time that said that the drop at 100 wouldn't be as severe as I was making out. I was referring to the crosman and I saw similar results that you are referring to. I had a drop of several feet with it. This one though I believe all the shots fell between 18 and 22 inches.

@Fatherhood4 That's not a lot at all considering that .22lr drops somewhere between 8-10" from 50 to 100 yards. 😲with a "Break-Barrel" you're doing just fine! 🫡

I haven't tried those but I did try some "pointed" pellets in my .177. They were so horrible I avoid it. This is a different gun so I might get some different results. It's worth a shot..... badump bum.. no pun intended. I know that a good amount of people had good results with Gamo red fire in .177 but I haven't personally tried them. Those JSB jumbo beast looks like it would be a good test. Almost 34 grains.... That could be real interesting.

Oh man definitely. I put a Hammers 3-9x40 AO on my other one and I really like that scope but I really don't want to take it off. There were a lot of suggestions on some previous videos so I am going to go back through those recommendations and see if I can find something good that won't brake the bank. Plus I will have to get some taller mounts as well.

Fat guy like myself doesn't do well in the thinner air environments so I won't ever have to deal with that... However that is an interesting fact. I guess that makes sense though and I never really thought about it. I wonder how much it would change by?

Oh definately. What sparked this test was making the best of the weather and kind of fed off of another video I did. When I was testing the .177 I noticed a significant drop between a 7.5 grain and 10.5 grain at 25 yards, even more further out. So I was assuming that there would be a difference between a 14 grain and 21 grain in this .22 magnum. I was wrong. It looks like I need to go heavier.

Man my first gun was a daisy red ryder. I never got another pellet/bb gun after that and that was 30+ years ago. My brothers had some daisy pumps but I don't remember what the model of them were. They were fun for sure. I am sure a more skilled person can get good hits at 50 yards but considering if that was the max range, what good is a magnum. Plenty of airguns can hit accurate at the shorter ranges. I guess that is what my main question is. I have seen so many people talk highly of the that hatsan 65. It is starting to peak my interest. That is the main goal of my channel is what you mentioned. Cheap gun, always fun to shoot and still shoots straight after x number of years. As a consumer those are the purchases I would like to know about. For example if your looking to just shoot around, no reason to drop $150+. But if you do, what are you actually getting?

The airtact by hatsan/ was it accurate at 35 yds??Did you hunt with it?Thanks

@@johndoee3850 nope no hunting it depends what you are shooting at 35 yards. I only use open sights so I probably will not shoot at an egg sized target at 35 yards but a milk jug probably would not be an issue.

I can't say for sure cause I don't have a chronograph but Gamo claims it produces 31 ft/lbs. What got me thinking was when I tried my .177, there were some drastic differences between a 7.5 grain and a 10.5 grain. Honestly I don't understand the results I got from today because I figured the 21 grain slugs would have dropped. So I guess I answered my own question but I can't accept it.

Hope you are not referring to not seating the slug deep enough and annihilating your breech seal with the skirt

Oh man yeah. I wouldn't think of trying to hunt farther than what you mentioned... But there lies another conundrum. What good is a magnum if that is the ideal hunting distance... I wonder if it's equivalent to like a 30-30 vs a 270. As in the 30-30 can handle the small twigs and trajectory but sacrifices on distance..

I think you have your fps and fpe mixed up somehow. Pellets fly much faster than slugs do with heavier mass shooting slugs. Pellets lose some energy down range where slugs retain more energy down range but turn slower. Yes it does make a big difference w bore twist rate. Breaker barrels will shoot slugs pretty good so long as not go too heavy. About the same grains as you would shoot pellets. Say in .22 cal 15 - 18 grain ish

I think you have your fps and fpe mixed up somehow. Pellets fly much faster than slugs do with heavier mass shooting slugs. Pellets lose some energy down range where slugs retain more energy down range but turn slower. Yes it does make a big difference w bore twist rate. Breaker barrels will shoot slugs pretty good so long as not go too heavy. About the same grains as you would shoot pellets. Say in .22 cal 15 - 18 grain ish

@@eddiecahall3824 I read what I said and read what you said and think we said the same thing. The heavier pellet or slug will have a better BC and won't slow down as fast as a lighter pellet and a slug of the same weight won't slow as fast. Yes , even if the heavier pellet or slug doesn't have time to overtake the lighter it will still have maintained more speed which will give it more energy down range. A pellet or slug of the same shape and size with more lead inside or more solid will have a better BC. Like a dry spitball vs a wet spitball.

Good info to know. The best way I can accurately demonstrate my thoughts would be with numbers so bare with with me. These are all just example numbers. I figured with slugs it would drop at constant rate up until it really starts to slow down so for example if traveling less than say 300 fps it would drop 1 inch for every 10 feet However with regular pellets I would figure it would just drop off drastically almost like a little parachute got released if less than 300 fps. So like for the first 10 ft it would drop say 3 inches but the next 10 feet it would drop 9 inches, then 24.... and so forth.

@@Fatherhood4 That pretty much it. Most of the time pellets are still the better choice in break barrels. You can hear and feel when you start shooting pellets or slugs too heavy for the gun. Their making slugs in .177, .22 and even .20 caliber that are about the same weight as normal pellets. They cost more but would be fun to see how these lighter slugs perform in magnum break barrels. How the accuracy is. I think pellets will still be a better choice for under 50 yards.

These weren't bad conditions... They were terrible. Today would have been a great day to shoot the video but I had limited time to get one made. Yeah I don't believe the advertised specs but i figured it would be somewhat close. I plan on testing some 30 grain slugs but I figured there would be a difference between the 14 grain pellet and the 21 grain slug. I wouldn't expect accuracy would be good If I was a betting man I would have said the 21 grain would have dropped further at 100 yards. I was wrong. I am also really curious on what weight would be ideal in this gun.. On to more testing.

@@Fatherhood4 that's the best part, the testing and throwing out the occasional crurse words when they don't work hahahahaha.

When I was going over the footage I got to the part where I made a prediction. Man at the end of the video I was like well, that didn't go at all how I planned. I now ended up with more questions than answers.

Thanks bud

Airgun advertised as magnum. Advertised up to 1300 fps. Neither of those have anything to do with accuracy. Wind was gusting 20+ mph which directly affects accuracy. Since I couldn’t test accuracy I made a video that poses a question “Does a magnum increase range?” Because that is what a consumer would think when buying a magnum rated airgun. I tried to make the best out of the weather I had.

@@Fatherhood4 What does "extend range" mean? What is the objective of your shooting? Do you just want to throw lead in one general direction, or do you intend to hit anything?

I guess for the whole purpose of the main question. What good is a magnum vs a non magnum? What would a consumer think when buying that product? Increase range as in a flatter trajectory over a longer distance. Sure most guns could lob a pellet but if I took your example and hunted with it, what would be the expectation? Larger game? Realistically no. 2 options, either it can accurately shoot heavier pellets delivering a harder impact or can extend the trajectory past the non magnum versions. Since it was so windy I wanted to see what kind of range it had given 2 different weighted pellets. The reason I did that is because of my multiple other videos where I tested 7.5 grain pellets compared to a 10.5 grain pellet in a .177. Even at 25 yards there was already a drop between those 2. In fact a 6.5 grain pellet breaks the sound barrier so with as little as 4 grains it goes from breaking the sound barrier to dropping 2-3 inches. Applying that same thought process I wanted to see if there was a difference between 14 grain pellet and a 21 grain pellet. At what range did one drop further than the other. As I showed in the video, there was no difference between the 2 even at 100 yards. Since I don't have 100 types of airguns I can only try to work out the question with what I have. I openly admit in my video as well as multiple comments that I underestimated the weight. I figured that since a .177 showed a difference between 4 grains (and actually the drop didn't occur until after the 9.5 grain pellet so 1 grain difference had a drop of 2-3 inches), that the 7 grain difference in a .22 would show a drop as well. Again I was wrong. So given these results, would a non magnum .22 with at least a 21 grain pellet produce a drop of more or less than the maximum drop I saw at 50 yards which was 4.75 inches. With 20+ mph wind gust, because even when hunting the weather will not always be optimal. And even if you take accuracy into consideration (which I didn't when testing) the pellets were still within 1-2 inches from each side of the target. Not to mention I was using a 4x fixed scope. Again I can only test with what I have.

You misheard me. I meant to say 1.3 hundred million thousand. :)... Yeah man I think I got adhd. My mouth can't keep up with my brain.

@@Fatherhood4 same goes here bro.. 😂😂

Thanks bud. Man we had 3 days of rain and the first nice day I could get out and do a video and there was crazy amount of wind. I would be glad to try out those pellets. Technically there are 2 emails you could reach me at. One is in my channel profile. I believe you have to unhide it or something like that but an easier way is to just email me at fatherhood4@proton.me. I will see it first before my other one.