Does Carrying an Extra Large Magazine Make Sense? 

Thanks for noticing.

That's one question I had. An extended magazine is harder to conceal, quite a bit heavier and harder to draw. So it would make more sense to carry the standard capacity as a back-up. But stashing them in your vehicles is very smart.

Im currently in 1ID. Best division in the Army brother. Thank you for serving in Vietnam. That was a very tough time for our country and there are folks who appreciate what you did for us.

11B here - I did time in A/1/8 4th ID, and B/2/3 2nd ID - deployed 4 times to Iraq and Afghanistan. I ALWAYS carried extra water and ammo - why? Because I listened to someone like you (a Vietnam vet) and it saved my ass more than once.

Thank you for your service! Welcome home.

While I went into the service right after Vietnam (1977) the people who trained me in those trades were veterans of that war of multiple combat tours between them, and to a man, they all pounded that rational into my head above all other logistics.... Also my friend who served in 3rd army under Patton's leadership told me the same thing was tought to him 2 wars prior..... I never really had opportunities to talk tactics with anyone who served in WW1 on that personal of a level.....😉 I carry a PT111G2 for personal protection and found that an 18 shot standard mag of the P226 works quite well as a mag that brings the capability of this subcompact up to that of a full sized pistol if needed..... And as I've lived the "Better to have it and not need it, over Need it and not have it" club.... Since it doesn't pose a problem, I like it.....

I gave up my patreon support of an other channel in order to send the money to Paul. He beats the shit out of every other channel with his hands tied behind his back.

@@corneliussulla9963 even as a one-legged man in an ass-kicking contest, Paul would still win.

@@dr.floridamanphd right there isn't even a second place.

Paul's channel is awesome . . . it is known. His super-in-depth, methodical approach is definitely unique, as is his personality. This is the only gun channel that I have been tempted to just LISTEN TO, without watching, just to hear him talk.

Intro suffers from absence of car chase, explosions and supermodels.

Agreed. Folks often say "research your local firearms laws." But, they should _also_ say "research your local District Attorney and his/her attitude towards firearms."

I love your response. If someone needs a 32rd 9mm mag, it means they're using the wrong weapon in the first place. My idea is using a snubnose hammerless, plus a combat 9mm (or full size revolver + compact 9mm), with the idea of NOT carrying extra mags. If ~20 rounds isn't enough I'd be more concerned with finding cover, escaping, and/or calling the cops than an extra mag. As for why I like wheel-guns, I in a true emergency, I simply can't believe that any other handgun gets the FIRST round on target faster than a revolver.

Thank you! I like Paul’s presentations, but this debate itself is ridiculous. If you are an armored car driver or a jeweler, or in executive protection, these might apply, but then you’d have different rules anyway regarding what you carry.

Adding to that, when you have your day in court, do not be surprised when the other side has field day over you carrying a Magnum XL Coffin Assault magazine on your person. And assume that those will be “whens”, not “ifs”.

@@xxxYYZxxx if you truly believe a revolver is the fastest way to get a shot on target idk what to say. How is a revolver any faster than say a Glock 17?

@@Misericorde9 I would not let something like this play a factor into what I carry whatsoever. The chances of this being brought up and ACTUALLY HOLDING WEIGHT are slim to even slimmer

To paraphrase James Yeager. You don't carry an extra magazine for extra bullets. You carry an extra magazine to fix your gun.

Yup. I'd rather carry two quality magazines than one extended.

Exactly

This only matters where Paul lives on the west coast. Either your encounter a Aggressive Bigfoot attack or flaming Liberal mob with crt chants. More mags more lives you will save...

Truth be told nearly all of his testing doesnt apply to normal people….🤪🤓

The only lie Paul tells us is when he calls himself an "average shooter". Because if he's average, I am so far off the bad end of that Bell curve it's not even funny.

@@ScottKenny1978 because I guess he’s not the type to really show off, or make his ego bigger because he likes to keep his ego in check

Can i get 2xtra mags for my stoger twice barrell shoot gun???

Actually, lining up gun sights is the easiest thing to do. Getting off shots without yanking the trigger and muzzle around, well, that's another story.

I was thinking that same thing. He's unreal!

Yes, with my SIGs, there are the flush fit mags 12-18 rd depending on the gun, and then there are the plus 2 mags that extend maybe an inch or less. The flush fit mags are usually at least a bit better for concealed carry depending on the holster, its orientation and your clothing/etc., but the extended +2 mags usually don't really make a difference your mag holder, if any, and give you four extra rounds. For my SIGs I can't get a reliable double capacity mag, the only ones available are ProMag junk, so that isn't an option. For some pistols, like Glocks, you can often get a reliable mag with near double capacity, and those might be the Hail Mary last resort mag when all else fails (like one person mentioned, when you transition from a lower intensity self-defense situation where less than 6 shots are required to a full on firefight where you need as much ammo as you can possibly carry).

Definitely agree. The shield plus 9mm comes with a flush fit 10 and a slightly extended 13 with a bulge that would actually help you grip it while reloading. For private security, thats alot of firepower out of sight.

And a malfunction. No. There wasn’t an issue with the ammo. It malfunctioned because it’s a Taurus Judge. 😂

Or that S & W copycat gun (why they made it only S & W knows).

I have the 18" barrel Circuit Judge with shotgun stock and forearm. It's great for close-in home defense but not too accurate beyond 50 yards. And the wife can shoot it (major consideration).

He didn't even say that

@@slick3129 That's a first for my eyes; had to look that up.

Exactly!

So true!

Has Hickok 45 ever been in a gun fight?

@@theweekendhistorian probably not, nor has 99.99% of the guys giving advice

I have been shot !! Yes, it does make sense. If I am in a gunfight, holding a 17 round capacity gun, most likely I will not make it past 6 rounds before one of us becomes incapacitated, or the bad guy runs away to find an easier victim. I don’t want to offend anyone, however, too many people watch too much Hollywood movies, and try to mix fantasy with reality.

@@theweekendhistorian I would say he has since he was a police officer for many years as I recall.

@@jasperthehairycaterpillar1168 just because you're a cop doesn't mean you've been in a gun fight

Me too. My pistol holds 18, but just in case I have a mag failure, I want that second mag

Same here. My 365 has the 12 rnd mag, and carry a spare 15 rnd mag.

My gun carries 15+1, and I carry another 15 rounds in a spare mag for exactly the same reasons. Not because I'll ever get in a long drawn out firefight, but in case my primary fouls up.

Australia is a pretty safe place, you won’t need guns that much, low crime, no gangs/drug cartels. Though it’s good to know about guns.

@@MikhaelAhava oh yea it's very safe. I've Gone 35 years without so much of a first fight. Its mostly a casual Interest but Paul has such systematic and pragmatic thinking that his videos are interesting even if I didn't care about them at all.

@@MikhaelAhava Aside from the fact that everything in Australia wants to kill you. :D

I live in Denmark where it´s illegal to carry a knife over 7 cm, and carrying a gun here would give you prison time and a criminal record lol. Anyway, I did train martial arts since I was a kid though, which is quite useful especially jiu jitsu, which imo is the most practical.

@@MikhaelAhava Safe countries still sadly have perverts that will attempt to M0lest people.

Nah that would be a pretty big worry

Most gang bangers I've met love extended magazines so it isn't unlikely if you live in America that you could run into needing a lot of ammo.

@@OTSOBerg-pn5gm unless you're firing from the hip or holding the gun sideways like a gangbanger yourself, it shouldn't matter whether someone else has more ammo or not. It's not a war of attrition.

@@OTSOBerg-pn5gm You've met a lot of gangbangers, eh?

They like to look tactic-cool but most gang bangers are not looking for a fair fight. The moment another pew-pew barks, they tend to run each other over getting to the door. @@OTSOBerg-pn5gm

He spent years being a gun instructor for special forces school, or something related like that in the military. Hes my favorite teacher on youtube for guns

I do appreciate how he makes sure to use the right words the first time. I'd almost bet that such dedication to that is what causes at least some of his...... Shatner pauses.

Paul has stated that he has a speech difficulty. My guess is that having difficulty speaking forced him to more carefully consider his words before saying them. Sometimes weakness begets strength.

@@bradnail99 : Absolutely. I know of several fellow professors, who use pauses (strewn DELIBERATELY into their fluent and competent flow of speech) to get the audience's attention instantly.

@@joshuablair252, he didn’t train special operations troops. He was just a firearms instructor in the military. Now it could be that there were some in his classes but that wasn’t directly related to what he was doing.

especially as the presumption is you will only have a semi auto, and going for cover/not likely to do well standing in the open spamming your extendo....

Carry a 50-100 round drum or go home ☝🏽👳🏽‍♂️

That seems more like an issue of not testing your equipment. If you've made certain that your magazine, extended or not, works fine, what do you have to worry about?

That's true, but what stops you from simply carrying multiple extended, as many as you would have with standard capacity?

@@abbytran8514 Weight and bulk?

I'm not sure this data suggests what you think it suggests. It's more likely that the second run was faster (both times) because he was repeating the drill, and the more you do something you generally get better at it. Also he didn't fire enough rounds to need a second reload which would have added time. The more interesting part would be accuracy. Doesn't matter how many rounds you sling if none are on target. Still at the end of the day, training is king.

I guess I missed the shot timer.

He kicks ass like that

Hi Paul! Thanks for doing this demonstration, even though it had very little relevance.

@@N0stalgicLeaf That's a good comment for someone new to training. I don't think Paul is that "someone," though. I'd wager he's drilled/trained enough for the time differences to be relevant and meaningful in this video presentation. Otherwise, I agree that practice generally improves one's pace in a drill. That's one of the main points of doing drills, eh?

If you can retreat to safety, and you can see it, you should retreat before your first shot is fired.

And what if you can't?

@@8literbeater That's what the spare mag is for, but truth be told, in that situation, you probably weren't going to get out alive regardless. You're just taking as many with you as you can at that point.

@@rylian21 Wow. You've got it all figured out.

@@rylian21 To my knowledge, I can't find ANY instance where a civilian exercising their right of self defense shot more times than a standard magazine carried. That is, I think it's a complete fiction that there would ever be situation where you'd shoot more than 12-15 times out of a pistol. Looking back 40+ years of news articles, there's not a single mention of anything that might even come close to needing that much firepower. The sole instances where someone used more than 15 shots were those of CRIMINALS or police engages in extended firefights or long pursuits. Neither of them fit within the parameters of what a self-defense situation entails. The apparent fact is that the "debate" over more rounds carried is as ludicrous as debating whether or not you should carry an AT4 just in case someone rushes you with a M60 tank.

Solid thinking. 👍

If the average conflict is resolved with 3 rounds, you best believe I'm shooting six.

I do the same thing

@@Klaus293, I was talking about practical every day carry... not anticipating going through violent mobs. We have plenty of Rambos giving advice already.

@@cliveramsbotty6077, Do you get tired of wearing shoes? You get used to it. In fact, I feel naked without it, like not having my phone... it feels weird not having the weight there. And the cost of being defenseless is so severe it outweighs the minuscule chance... because if it happens to occur, you will regret not being prepared, by paying with your life... you don't recover from that mistake. So be as prepared as you can every time.

The Shatner-esque pauses are the best

On the contrary, the Shatner-esque pauses make it… even better.

It wasn't enough of a difference to make a difference.

I was thinking Jack Benny-esque and I enjoyed every one.

Paul is too worried about what stupid people will comment.

Nice pfp

@@NathanDudani thank you bud, been my ol reliable pfp since like 2014, never done me any wrong I tell ya what

Agreed. While I am an adult and can use and handle foul language, I prefer not to and I prefer to not hear it so I use it less.

This is what I thought of. I have enough issues with single stack 10 rounders to trust a double stack 32 rounder

That would make sense also make more sense if the hand is small grippy. But at that point, mind as well get Glock 19, or 4 inch barrel with 15 round magazine pistol. What ever works your need.

If the grip is too small to shoot effectively and efficiently with the first magazine, then it's not a good carry choice.

I have that situation with my p365. I carry with a 10 round mag in and with 12 round mags as back up. For my glocks i use standard mags for carry but i usually have a big stick in my range bag just to hold the ammo or in case someone else wishes to try it. If they have never fired a big stick they usually try a few shots then strip the ammo out and use the regular mags then.

The issue I have with those get extensions, they can easily pinch the extra hand that falls below the firearms grip

@@vitogriffin6575 It's all about compromise. If we focused only on effectiveness with no other considerations, we'd all be open carrying ar's.

This is almost certainly true. Sure some extended magazines are reliable, but a quality magazine with lower capacity will almost always be more reliable than a quality extended magazine. The question becomes at what capacity does the magazine become too unreliable to be worth the tradeoff.

There is a reason why PCCs in 9x19 with proprietary mags, have curved mags (and are double feed, but that's another issue). 9x19 has tapered case. As is the case with any tapered case, once you go above certain capacity, you have to curve the mag or you loose reliability. How much you can get away with depends on how much the case tapers.

@@lieutenantcoloneltanyavond8273 That is certainly true but I would like to point out that there are TONS of very reliable 9mm mags out there in 30-33 round capacities that are straight. Basically almost every 9mm sub gun. Of course those are usually double feed (the few that aren't tend to be the problematic ones) and that is really the bigger issue.

Agree. 7 or 8 rounds is most likely more then enough for civilians. Carry an extra mag in case of a mag malfunction. The extra ammo is a plus the average civilian will not need. Imagine a mass shooting in a mall where the good guy thinks he will spend so much time in a shoot out that requires him to shoot 30 rounds. Most likely the good guy will die before he can shoot 30 rounds at the bad guy. Personally, I carry a 5 shot snub nose revolver. I know if had a 17 round capacity, most likely I would be the one incapacitated if I needed more then 5 rounds to resolve the situation.

That was certainly my experience with factory Kimber stainless steel 10 round magazines in a .45 acp Kimber! I bought 5 of them (single purchase) & none were reliable.

I have to laugh at the folks that are making weight an issue. 999 out of 1000 of them are carrying an extra 20+ lbs on their gut and they think they're fooling anyone by arguing about 10 extra oz?

How many times has your gun jammed in the last week?

@@bensmith9164 Never, ever. If it jams, I don't carry it. Period.

@@bensmith9164buy decent guns and magazines and you wont have issues. Very simple

Amen

@G Soap Carry a gun that holds more, you won't have the chance to reload. Watch active self protection. There has only been one case out of many thousands of real world encounters that someone had the chance to reload and continue to fight. It was a home invasion. Most of these arguments come from people's imagination of how they think a gun fight will happen instead of the real world.

How's that go? 2 is one and 1 is none. Somthing like that.

Ending the meat target rightly

Really? I think you have a carnage addiction problem.

Uh, that's not how this works. That's not how any of this works!

Unnecessarily carnage, the mag would have came at the meat target with such force it would have blown apart.

mini 14 is a great gun.

Crys in NY

Mini14 luvit everything about it

You actually found M&p mags.?

@Wanye Smith Years ago I bought inexpensive 30 round Ramline mags for my Mini-14. Turns out they are also AR-15 compatible. Convenient. Agree, too bad you can't go the other way!

I tell people to carry an extra mag opposite the weapon for balance plus you should always have a spare. When they say, "one mag doesn't equal the weight of the weapon" I tell them to carry 2 and a flashlight. If that's not enough carry a Leatherman or the equivalent. They often say that's overkill. I reply, "maybe it is but are you willing to bet your life on it?"

I like bigger mags, the weight below the the gun I noticed helps me manage recoil and muzzle rise.

While hitting the center of the 3rd target seems to have been the weak spot - if you call 'only' a 9 ring a weak spot - it seems that IF ANYTHING the lighter the package, the lower the score. Maybe.

@@WyFoster I'm the same. That low weight does a lot to tame any flipping and I find it steadies my hold even for the opening shot.

@@davidzook8569 stop giving advice. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

They work for some. I tried it and sold them. I guess I am too died in the wool and practiced with what I know. However, use whatever you feel and do the best with, be it optics, gun choice, caliber, etc. Whatever makes you best IS best.

I get the feeling that Paul really isn't a fan of any kind of sights other than good ol' irons.

I'd rather practice and get good with iron sites. I guess I'm just not very tacticoooool

@@sisleymichael I started off with irons and moved to a red dot a few years ago in USPSA. Shooting with a red dot has been fantastic for me because I’m able to target focus, have a faster makeup shot, and make shots at further distances.

@@rayburn8282 or using modern technology (red dot) and practicing. Which helps refine handgun skills further. Or give it a cute name, whatever works.

Good point

@Wanye Smith Life ain't an action movie, and most people ain't gang-bangers doing drive-bys either . You crank off an avg 15-17 rnd mag much less a 25-30 round mag shooting at someone, no matter the situation/justifiable or not , you're probably going to be in deep do-do, and it only goes downhill from there, If someone gets hit , Criminal, or worse, a bystander. Firing too many bullets and/or wildly, is a callous disregard for human life -so to speak and can be made out legally as well. And it is going to look bad anyway even if you fired just one round, if you have say a 15-17 rnd mag and a 25-30 rnd mag on you, 40-47 rounds total. IMO- that looks worse in your defense than even having 3 15-17 rounds mags would look. If you think you need 45-51-75 rounds on you. I suggest you stay at home, or find a better place to live LOL Also, you need to think about that "judged by 12" issue if something happens, only about half the people in this country might be 2A and give you the benefit of the doubt sometimes, the other half might well throw you in jail automatically for having a 25-30 rnd mag during a shooting . They don't like such "mean things" , as I said "optics" , which most prosecutors would use to effect.

Mafia 2 was a great game. But I don’t recall extended magazines. It’s been a while since I played though. I used to spend the first few hours of the game crushing cars to get quick cash. 😂

@@dr.floridamanphd *Spoilers for those who care* Chapter... 10, the same mission that marty dies, when you get to the top of the sky scrapper joe gives you one. They're officially called the 'special 1911'. You get them from Geseppi (ammo) after Joe gives you one.

Those are based on real guns--Dillingers gang was caught with a 1911 that had been converted to full auto using an extended mag made from 2 standard mags welded together, and fitted with a foregrip from a Thompson SMG. I thought it was an awesome historical nod.

@@VorpalDerringer Wild. I wonder how he did that.

Roger that. I download all my hi-cap mags down 2 rounds. Single stacks , 1 round.

What kind of oem mags are causing makfunctions? Mec gar makes fantastic 20rd mags that dont cause issues

@@burtbiggum499 It's a fud problem.

@@burtbiggum499 for what? Every model if firearm is different, and any gun can be more or less picky. Also, due to physics, there is a greater chance of an issue. Longer mag means longer spring, longer mag means more ammunition weight it has to push, longer mags and more ammunitionmean a significantincrease in friction for the process. This leads to springs that have different characteristics, made more drastic by the the length they must work in, usually being tight with the first few rounds, and loose with the last ones. Extended mags can be made well and be reliable, but not as reliable as shorter ones.

@@rgstever well that contributed nothing to the issue, and only demonstrated your inability to make a cogent argument.

I marvel at the practical disconnect of a glock 26 with a compensator and a +5 baseplate. Some of them sure look cool though!

The thing is, extended mags are good only for that 100 yards you need to make from your truck to shooting line. For weekend warriors and mall ninjas that is nice gimmick. But for actual soldiers in actual combat, thats totaly different thing. When you carry all that protective gear and rest of your s****t on you no one will bother with 40, 50 or 60rd mags sticking from your rifle. To the contrary I've seen more than a few guys going with 20rd mags in their rifles and spare 30rds on plate carriers.

@@TheCHris8726 theres pics of green berets using Magpul 60rd drum mag on a urgi m4. About as long as normal mag

@@TheCHris8726 I actually like running 20 and 10 round mags especially if I'm shooting prone.

You can use it as a monopod I see it as a boon not a bane

@@tristanhodgden4286 what can I say. Everyone do some stupid things from time to time. It's not only about lenght of that things. It's about reliability and weight too. With plate carriers, helmets, spares and all that additional gear hardly anyone wants to make their rifle heavier and clunkier than it already is to lug around. And don't even start that those few more bullets won't make any difference. On a patrol in rocky terrain of Afghanistan, every ounce counts. Of course everything depends on the context. Routine patrols are one thing, but more risky tasks where you know it's gonna get s*****y that's another one.

If the DA wants to make an issue about it, have an answer ahead of time. Example: having a 20rd magazine from a full size pistol that works in your carry compact. The 20rd is bigger but you can either say, "that's what the shop had" or "do you have a spare tire in your car? Same reason I have a spare magazine. They can break, and usually will at the worst possible time." Present yourself as calm and reasonable, not to mention worried about where any missed shots might go.

Unless that’s the standard capacity of the gun. The Glock 17 has a 17 rounds capacity

Judge, they came with it.

I would be more concerned about surviving the scenario then legal trouble after the fact. As long as it is justified and you were protecting your life it shouldn't matter how many rounds were fired, shoot until the threat is stopped. In the off chance you find yourself in a legal battle with an anti constitutional judge, district attorney etc, I would still rather be in that situation compared to being buried.

@Wanye Smith while it may be better, spending 10 years in the pen with Bubba and the Boys is certainly not desirable

People like to pretend they are Rambo and will get into a massive firefight against a dozen men

@@tubeguy4066 ehh. I prepare for 3-4 attackers, what I carry. If one mag works, then great. If not I'm ready.

@@AustinRBa Id take 10 years with Bubba over leaving my family paying my funeral costs and my kid without a father. I'll also revert back to my original statement, If you're justified in using deadly force the amount of rounds fired shouldn't be relevant unless you keep firing after the threat has stopped.

I carry my XD-S with a 5 or 6rnd mag and use 7rnd mags as extra.

My CCW is a XD-S as well, which I use a 9 round magazine, with 2 back up. When I go to the range, I use my 7 and 8 round magazines. I do notice the difference when changing between the 2 sizes, especially since the 7 rd sits flush to the base plate. But I don't see too much difference with my accuracy, although that might be because I can get 2 1/2 fingers on that 7rd magazine. Interesting point though.

@@bttlopener5964 My XD-S is a .45acp, and I wear a 2XL glove, so I need the room.

@Mr Cevant I think this was more about replacing two mags with one, rather than just larger mags in general.

I carry a 365 with the 12 rnd. in & as a spare. The 12 gives me the grip I like but I would carry the 15 as a backup if I had one & proved it reliable. I've read some are not.

Well this is a rather one off and rare kind of event but I bet people with bad ammo or spiked ammo (explosive inside the bullet) which caused their gun to explode would have prefer not to have the extra bullets.

Apparently you have never heard the adage "light makes might"

*fewer

@Wanye Smith *muscle Why is there no attention to detail?

@@kirenireves You're not even going to mention *too?

I wore armor with plates last winter now I just carry a glock. Can't wait to get my armor back on when it cools down!

Bro just keep a basketball on you everywhere you go for a distraction.

@Wanye Smith what shoulder holster do you use? Haven’t found one I like yet

@Wanye Smith that’s wayyyyyy to flashy for me. I’m not knocking you do what you wish but AZ DPS officers are only required to carry 2 reloads so you must be preparing for some shit if you need twice that load out

@Wanye Smith bro, don't go to "gang territory" then. lol

Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

Having been threatened by a member of organized crime, and knowing their MO, I want to have firearms that are capable of putting a lot of shots accurately on multiple attackers as quickly as possible. That indicates a need for high capacity magazines. Of course that is not your typical self defense threat from an armed robber or crazed lunatic.

@@jaynecobb3701 don’t they use car bombs anymore?

​@@briancox2592 This particular organization has not used car bombs, as far as I know.

Don't tell what to do while i'm doing it! Just kidding

Paul Doesn't Need Your Help. He's Got Like 5K Views In The Last Hour Or So!?!

is ur name a brand we should know about?

When idiots think giving a thumbs up doesn’t anything meaningful. Lol

You think reloads aren’t a thing with revolvers or something? Because of your senseless comment I’d wager that you don’t carry a gun at all.

@@sqwk2559 You may be misinterpreting the comment’s intent. Extended speed loaders or extended moon clips simply aren’t a thing with revolvers. You just carry more of them if you want multiple reloads. I’m not even aware of any extended speed strips, though they might well exist.

@@sqwk2559 because of your senseless comment, I’d wager that you’ve never seen a revolver. The presentation is on extended magazines. Therefore, the presentation is geared towards people who carry autoloaders. Think before you speak.

Any gun is better than no gun.

@@sqwk2559 Show me where to find huge extended magazines for a j-frame revolver and I'll buy one. You'll have to explain the physics to me first, though. Until you're able to explain it to me, I guess I'll continue carrying a speedloader or strip loaded with ammo that matches the number of holes in the cylinder. Such is the way of us simple people, and the limitations we live with for being born with smaller brains than yours.

Good point I didn't even take into account. As we saw play out tragically recently, when cops roll up to a scene they have no idea who the good guy is. Getting that pistol stowed away safely after an incident is of great importance and can save a life

Yeah, for me, the extended (or full size, if you have something like an SR-9C that takes a short mag, or a full size) makes good sense as your spare magazine.

@Wanye Smith That's unreasonable. If you actually look at real world shootings, there isn't as much a difference between 9mm and 45 to make a difference. I cannot see a logical reason to carry anything but 9mm unless laws effect your choice, or if you only have a gun in a different caliber.

The reholstering issue is an excellent point.

Yeah, but in that instance just drop the mag and reholster, keeping the mag ready just in case more baddies show up of course.

Agreed, my original piece was an 7+1 and I did not feel inadequately equipped. If someone truly feels they need all that, they might consider the scenarios they get into and the level of their training.

Dude the Hi Power is a sweet pistol. Right up there with CZs and 1911s

Honestly if you need 22 rounds of pistol ammo, you really should have brought a rifle to that fight instead.

@@exothermal.sprocketmaybe. But it's harder to hide my AR than an extended mag.

I've got lots of extended glock mags....for my Ruger PC carbine and my FM-9. I don't even own a Glock handgun.

I'm in for that shirt..... Add to the back... You Be The Judge! 😉

Yeah, I like having the different mag options on my G26. Though I often carry with the 17 rd and 10-12rd as the spare. If reloads never happen in civilian incidents, I'd rather have 17 rds, but not possible to conceal the 17 rd mag with certain attire.

@Mr Cevant well 10 rounds is the standard magazine in a g26….

I find the 17 mag easier to handle, so it's convenient as a reload and comes closer to being the same motions for both guns.

That’s exactly what I do. I also have an aftermarket barrel in the 19 that’s 4.5” so it’s a functional equivalent to a 17

Any legal precedent to support that?

I would hope your lawyer would have that argument squared away and ready to go just in case that's brought up in court. I dont think it would be an issue unless most of your shots were necessary. I think it would be a problem if the bad guys on the ground, and clearly not a threat any more and you just mag dump his swiss cheesed body

@@joshuakang4507 legal precedent to support the idea that a politically motivated prosecution will seize on the tiniest of minutiae in order to demonize and convict someone who had to use their gun in self defense? I mean I could dig out my MAG 40 notebook and give you chapter and verse of the times that number of rounds carried, type of rounds carried, and/or model of firearm became an issue at trial There are members of our society who already hate guns and the people who carry them. They have been steeped in the idea that anyone with a gun is a mass murderer waiting to happen and that “high capacity magazines” are every psycho lunatic’s go to tool.

@@draugur345 sure. Find a case where you could positively say the type of weapon or it’s accessories had a significant role in a conviction, where there possibly wouldn’t have been one if they used a different weapon/accessory. No shit the prosecution is gonna pull everything out it’s ass, that’s their job.

@@joshuakang4507 Harold Fish

Thank you. I had to search down over 100 comments to find this point. A liberal judge would instantly think the citizen was 'spoiling for a fight' if he saw that extended magazine.

That would have been my question. In my experience, yes.

no, but gloves will

Whère you livin? Im up on charges for shootin AT meth heàds threatin me...12 on one

@@rustybird8803 I hope you still had 12 rounds after the warning shots lol

@@rustybird8803 Jesus

@@rustybird8803 Sounds like you got one of those few bad places in town. I dont know where you live, but I travelled WA and would never go anywhere without a conceal. But yeah, chances are most people wont ever have that sort of action for most if not all of their lives

Yes it wàs nuts ... hotel didnt run the ac till some onè paid to be there . A fuckin oven with a shitty ac... it was coolèr outside with a breeze an a hundrèd degrèes.. plus humid ty im on the rail they deàlin thèìr balls off . Ďont like me out there and start threatenen me fuckin nùts one came up in my face half a second from shootin his ass

You should consider having one Glock per drum.

@@RealDeanWinchester never thought of that. What about 2 Glocks and 4 drums?.

@@cloroxlavenderscent4307 6 glocks and 6 drums, like in the boondock saints.

If the zombie hoard gets to you, the last round won't be for the zombies...

If you know how to shoot a revolver is the best solution especially 357 magnum I was talking to a police officer once, 357 automatically evokes respect (as when you see a Rolls Royce or a Ferrari) on the other side Just one bullet is enough and everyone knows who the "boss" is in a fight, and they often surrender to him just for that for zombies => an ax with a long handle 😁

@@tihomirrasperic that was the stupidest shit I’ve read in a while. I love .357 but I’m gunna carry my 9mm just because how cringe that post was.

@@MrCococda 😂

@@tihomirrasperic And if you draw a 1911 in 45, they just fall over dead, right?? :)

@Wanye Smith you don't know dude

@Wanye Smith there's places in this country where no matter what the circumstances, if you shoot somebody dead, you're life is pretty much over.

@Wanye Smith Perhaps it shouldn't matter but in reality it does matter. The extended mag, Punisher logos, the gun type and caliber, mods, even the name of the ammo, all matter. The D.A. would have a field day painting you out to be a wild, looking for a war commando type instead of a law abiding citizen who had to defend himself with a firearm as a last resort. If you believe otherwise, good luck to you.

I want anybody in this comment section who agrees with this bullshit to find actual legal precedent that supports this

no... it wont "look bad".. stop feeding that hyperbole.

I thought the same thing, I carry a 17rd with my 12rd capacity gun. 30rd would be ridiculous, do people actually do that?

I carried a glock 19 and glock 26 as duty pistols in the early 2000's. I carried the single glock 26 mag and if i needed to reload then i would have used my glock 19 mags. The 26 was mostly my off duty weapon and often was locked in my car unless we were doing warrant sweeps or i had a walking patrol and was checking locks on businesses.

I agree and I often carry a compact double stacked 9mm with a 10 round magazine with my pinkie dangling underneath. Better concealment with the flush mag. My second mag holds 14 rounds and I get a full grip. In that case my accuracy might improve with the extended mag. Still the 38 Super demonstration has me wondering whether the difference matters much. Seems like it can’t really hurt. Great demonstration of the principles in question. As usual Paul has given me something more to think about.

I think you have to be realistic with that logic because there is a diminishing returns effect here. Bear with my pretend "numbers" here: Imagine if just carrying ANY firearm will probably save you in 99% of situations where you are actually able to use the firearm to defend yourself. Carrying a firearm with a reasonable caliber and magazine/cylinder capacity covers for the 9% of those 99% of situations where you're able to defend yourself but you actually need more than a 2 shot .22LR derringer to stop/deter the threat. Now carrying an extra mag covers for the further .9% of scenarios where you'd actually need to reload or circumvent a magazine failure. Now with two spares you're covering that .09% of scenarios where you have some combination of running through 1-2 magazines and/or 1-2 magazine failures. At what point are you already on the ground bleeding out or hightailing it out of there because you're obviously outgunned? My point: How impossibly low does the perceived risk have to get to where the extra precautions stop making sense? Of course you do you, it's your pocket/belt space, but I don't see the point. I get carrying one spare just in case and do so myself, but the "better to have it and never need it..." logic gets weak when you have to stack so many unlikelihoods on top of each other to justify the extremes. If you get caught in that rabbit hole you might as well be wearing body armor and carrying a backup piece (with a spare mag for the backup) just to go on a beer run. ...I just don't see the point, but obviously that changes based on your situation: living in a gangland, walking home through a bad neighborhood every night, being a police officer, soldiering (I carried two weapons and ten total mags in Iraq), etc. Again, you do you, just my two cents.

@@tankerd1847 Always prepared always ready. The mission always dictates the gear. I carried one spare magazine for 20 plus years. Only been carrying the second for the last two.

I'll have to crunch the numbers and get back with you 😆

Occam's Razor is a great Zappa tune !

I thought that would be an argument from authority rather than an ad hom?

As an engineer, “an engineer” is often an ad hominem attack haha

That depends on which engineer joke comes to mind...

Was waiting for Paul to pull out a drum mag...

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There are many men who died in gunfights who would disagree with your statement entirely, lol.

@@turnermd1302 no.. you dont loose one by having TOO much, but u will if you RUN OUT.

@Andrew yeah that kid is cute. His claim to fame is being a CCW permit holder. He has been called out by actual people in the videos. You dont carry spare ammo, because you may need it. You carry it for the myriad of other problems one can encounter in a gun fight. Get your advice from Clint Smith or others such as Mr Harrell.

I don't know but it seems to work pretty good for this guy ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8HPcAvIbNsk.html

HA! I was a little bit surprised not to hear that word, myself. But then Paul doesn't go for slang in his presentation.

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@@eddyflo2978 😎

What’s a stendo?*

@@MikhaelAhava what tacticool "experts" call a magazine with higher capacity.