Yeah that’s an interesting concept he misses the idea of being the center of everyone’s world and when they grow up he’s not the center of their world anymore so they are of no use to him
This, and now he doesn't have any excuse to get into the work of parenting. Before he just got all the good bits and then he was off to the next. Now he's stuck and the focus is everyone else's anxiety and not him.
This is a very good point because it’s a very different thing from missing THEM. His narcissistic self might see it as the same but we know it isn’t, and so do his ex wives and grown kids.
I totally agree. He's upset the family didn't come to a screeching stop when he stopped gracing them with his presence. I think he definitely misses the fun and being the center of the universe.
I agree with you, he does miss his past family structure - multiple wives and lots of children. Not because he loves them but because of the status in his community that those wives and children brought him and how his family fed his pride and ego (which he mistake as love for them).
Kody reminds me of my father. He loved when my brothers wrestled and did football in high school but I did photography. He wanted nothing to do with me because we didn’t have common interests.
I feel that. My father was a baseball player in high school and college, and he was hoping for me to be involved in something athletic from a young age. Beginning at the age of four with gymnastics, dance, and softball.... unfortunately, I had difficulty with all of that due to my spine being shaped like a question mark. As a diagnosis of levo scoliosis at age 11 would show. At 9, however, I began violin lessons and was really good at it. In 5 years of countless recitals, Christmas concerts with a symphony, my dad only attended one concert.
Mykelti finally reached her breaking point. He forgot Mykelti's birthday. She could make excuses for Kody when he forgot the birthday's of her siblings. It hit differently when it was her birthday that he forgot. She was crushed.
Kody does not really forget. He is indifferent to his kids. He could care less but when his birthday comes around bet he wants lots of cards & presents.
I think Janelle is the one he really regrets losing. There's a reason Robyn never went for Janelle's throat, and that's cause Kody genuinely liked and respected her.
Agreed! Kody said he had a Renaissance with Janelle and spent 25 days in one month with Christine. That must have made Robyn pretty insecure. In the later years of Vegas, there were odd scenes like Aurora being at Christine's for breakfast. Breanna being at Christine's for breakfast. Aurora being at Janelle's house when Kody comes to take Janelle on an anniversary date. It seems to me that when Kody was closer to Christine and Janelle, she sent spies over to find out what was going on. We only saw what was being filmed, so that may have been why Aurora found herself in other homes at odd times. Camera time!
Narcissists miss their "supply", the adoration and attention. No doubt Kody misses that, but not actually the individuals, the kids and wives who he used to make himself feel better about himself - ego boosters, that's all he misses,
He would have to show some sort of remorse or sympathy for what he's done yet you can tell with what we see on the show that he isn't in that space. He's not even thinking about the family, he can only think about himself and his woes me mentality.
Janelle actively sought out Kody to join his family. She changed her religious beliefs to get Kody. Christine wanted Kody way back when she was a young teen. The OG3 actively sought out Kody. Maybe he was one of the more attractive (nerdy) guys in his polygamy corner. Kody did not grow up in polygamy.
I think he misses all the control, power and respect the family once had for him, his ego being stroked at all times, being adore by the kids & wives, everyone catering to his every needs, bragging rights of having 4 wives and he might miss the family but he will never admit that he's reason for the downfall of his family.
In early seasons he had to refer to "wives" all the time. My wives this my wives that. Did I tell you I have wives. He has always been obnoxious about his wives. I think Kody latched on how he is so great somewhere in his early teens. Having at one time 4 wives must have feel so special. So will Robyn be enough for Kody?
He gives it away in the language he uses when he's mad. Loyalty, behaving, getting in line etc His wives used to be obedient (or loyal as he sees it) to him. He used to have control over the family. They used to disagree with him, sure, but he had the final say and I think that came somewhat naturally in the relationships (but encouraged by the church). Meri and Janelle were especially agreeable. The end of that was Meri's affair. Instead of looking inward at how he drove her away, his whole attitude changed. I agree that he misses his old life with wives that didn't push-back a whole lot but he expected that would stay the same when Robyn showed up.
When Christine took the profits from her Flagstaff house & left town, Kody admitted he had an attachment to Christine (and by the way to her house) A house is an object. Christine is a person. So Kody cant just say he was attached to Christine. That means he did care about her as long as he controlled the relationship.
I feel like he misses it - I feel like they all do. I miss my family gatherings from my childhood too. Xmas, Easter, TxGiving - surrounded by Aunts, Uncles, Cousins.
Yes I think he misses his family a little bit , like fleeting moments of remembering all his kids climbing on him and having fun…. But I think that’s it
I agree that he misses aspects of his past family life because it revolved around him. He didn't have to do anything. The wives did everything for him except Robin. She makes him take care of their children by getting them ready and taking them to school. I'm sure she needs to sleep in every morning. It must be taxing for her to not work and have a nanny and Kody do everything! 😂
As far him and Janelle, I do genuinely believe he misses her as a companion to some degree. Janelle talked about how, obviously, the attraction between them was always great and how they were able to just talk for hours. As Kody's nonsense started piling up, he wanted that obedience and loyalty for his ego more than he wanted his family's happiness and he's upset that Janelle wouldn't let him add him controlling everything to the equation.
Kody never developed strong bonds with kids, it's hard when he stayed at 1 house the last 10 yrs. When Kody was there -he talked AT them and didn't listen to any kids when they tried talk. Now his ego is too big, HE Would have to admit he BLEW it up!!! and he was wrong, so now he's on Robyns island of perpetual SADNESS of 3 women crying at drop of a hat, Does Kody miss them??? You bet!!! he married the wrong wife and picked the absolutely worst one for monogamy! They are hermits and go to property to freeze to film, great lets here Kody and Robyn talk about Christine some more, can't wait!
Agree. If it were not for Christine deciding she had enough of no Kody no where & so she left, she absolutely ruined Kody's (&Robyn's) life. Yeah that is why their lives are so horrible. It could not have anything to do with Kody & Robyn's attitude & behaviors & vile words & isolating themselves from everyone.
I am Sure of it!! The best days of his life were before robbem came into it. I am Sure he feels the pain, misses all the love, fun, family traditions, and those memories bring a smile to his face. Hopefully followed by tears! His "other" children arent welcome in robbems home and kody Knows it!
There is no reason for Robyn and her kids to worship Kody anymore. He has nowhere to go. The tenders are at an age where parents are stupid. Kody never planned for, or grew with, the natural progression of life beyond young parenthood. Sad.
She completely ruined his entire life. As soon as this show is over, she will also leave him destitute. Maybe then he can get his "other" family back. We all know Robyn will cut him out of her childrens lives. Either that or she will make sure hes So busy with visitation of her little ones that he'll have no time to repair his other family relationships
I don’t know if he misses any of the wives specifically, but he misses having other places to go when Robyn annoyed him, and he’s the kind of person I can guarantee gets annoyed by her too, he’s just finally seeing it since she’s the only one left. As for the kids having him marry them, I suspect if they were getting married today, after seeing how he’s been, I don’t think the kids would ask him to do it. He’s managed to destroy his relationship with many of the kids, they’re seeing him for exactly who he is these days.
Makes you wonder. I KB think found more purpose in his life when he had more kids and more wives around. He had this rotating schedule to keep. Life has simplified as the kids grew up and moved away. I think he liked the early days and being the head of the family. But as his home split into fours houses and he was absentee, he lost that head of the family position. As you say, he may be nostalgic for the old days. For the wives, their lives have gotten more stress free as they’ve gained their independence and autonomy.
How could someone like Kody *not* miss the big family where he was the absolute center of attention? But, I do think there's a small part that misses the people, too, not just the bragging rights.
He snuggled with teenage girls to help them go to sleep at night. He kissed Brianna a full on the lips at 13 years old with a full-blown hug. When Brianna was having a panic attack, he carries her down to her room remember the clip where he says how much he misses her and she’s just down a flight of stairs? That was when they were quarantining during the pandemic. I think it has age he’s happy. He doesn’t have the chaos of all those wives and all those children. On the other hand, why was he so angry? Is he just another narcissist, who lost his supply? Or the majority of his supply.
My thought is not only does he love and miss Janelle but I believe he did love and was attracted to Christine. I don't see being that crushed by being left if you don't care. He didn't whine over Mary leaving.
I agree with you, he had a decent family until it wasn’t. It’s redundant but saying when they say they don’t understand or didn’t deserve their fate - it truly took a dive during Covid and Robyn’s control. I adore Savana, she’s her mother pragmatic girl. Yeah he deep down knows it’s his fault, but he misses the entire brood.
He probably LOVED telling folks he had 4 wives, the reality of keeping everyone happy was always a question, but he had an ego boost when they were all together, he felt special, my opinion
I think he misses them but will never say it. I believe he loved Christine and Janelle even though he says he didn't. Rex pretty much told the tale at Christine's wedding rehearsal......
I think at the very least he misses the idea of the family.. my kuds are grown and gone, and i miss those close family times too.. but its the memories not the reality... i still see my kids, but they are married with jobs, not here all the time
Kody does not have normal feelings of attachment like the rest of us. That being said, he felt a level of security knowing his wives wouldn't leave. Remember his gargantuan level of rage at Christine after she shit-cannef him? Part of it was shock and outrage and part of it was grief as he never reconciled his feelings for her. Well now he has the same rage towards Meri. I think it was Mykelti who once said Kody's feelings towards Meri were justified in lieu of her cat-fishing emotional affair. Apparently the whole family culture was unsupportive of Meri. But Kodi is a sadistic little sh-- and I think he enjoys punishing and humiliating Meti while still keeping her on the string. Of course, he is big mad she finally had enough. As far as Janell, I don't think Kody has realized his loss because he will never find another Janell.
Yeah, I was honestly surprised that Kody was so angry after Christine left! Beforehand, he was very indifferent and cold to her, and he was so sure that she was not actually going to move until she sold her house!😂 Even after that, Kody seemed in disbelief after Janelle wasn't going to reconcile with him. Kody and Robyn are on a higher level of delusional!
The only time he paid attention to older girls was with the weddings and babies. I think those daughters just trying to encourage closeness they never had. You all should watch big love. Maddie was Nikki when it came to wanting attention for her father.
Imagine if he references a situation similar to an experience with one of the OG3 kids. I could see Robyn correcting him notvto compare the two experiences, especially with the two younger kids because they don't remember who they are!
No I think he misses the big family and the way it used to be. He really loved being around the kids when they were little. I think it’s when they started growing up that he was more or less done with the kids.
You make a good point. In season 15 or 16, early in Covid, Kody actually said during Aurora or Breanna’s birthday celebration, “This is nice having just a small family celebration.” Robyn and Aurora looked at him like, “You can’t be saying that out loud!” and tried to get him to backpedal but he didn’t.
Kody & Robyn are human so critiquing them is a guilty pleasure of sorts but both of them are not mentally stable for probably many reasons which they prefer to shop & avoid looking in the dark hole of their lives. Most worried about the 3 oldest Robyn kids. They should be moving beyond Kody World. None of the 3 adult have any jobs??
Agree. Kody is unbalanced & unstable. He is lashing out at every exwife & kids who are not loyal to him. And his idea of what is loyal changes all the time.
I definitely think you are on to something. But I think it's more about missing being the center of attention from so many people more than missing the wives. He misses how they all made him feel.
I hope he misses his children and grandchildren, not missing the wives is ok but dumping the kids is an immature act and he doesn't have the maturity to redefine his relationships.
Robyn wont Allow kody to redifine his relationships with his "other" children. She will not allow them in her house. Even if kody insisted, she would make sure they felt uncomfortable. Kody is going to be pretty darn Old by the time his last two children escape that house and have his blood grandchildren, if Ever...
I also think some of it is saving face for Robyn - she claims she married him because of how good he was with his other wives and he has FAILED at that. I think he misses being the center of a huge family and I think he is scared Robyn sees what a loser he is. I don’t really buy the “it’s all about the money” because I don’t think Kody is smart enough with finances to be thinking that clearly about who has money and who doesn’t because if he did he would have treated Meri better in an attempt to keep her around.
I just don’t know. Sometimes it’s feels like we project our thoughts and emotions because we value those relationships. We have known ourselves for a long time to know this about ourselves. But I just don’t think we know enough about them as individuals (we know them as a tv show and also the family set) to start projecting that Kody misses certain moments or relationships. We never got that full development background from early times, so a lot of it second hand stories and putting it together ourselves. I’m not on a boat of he loved them or never loved them but on a boat that just sitting in fog that can go either way.
He misses his "empire", lording over 4 wives. The only persons who pretend to need/want his attention are Sobbin, Solomon, & Ari. He's a lonely little petunia in an onion patch. And [he does] is cry, cry, cry. Boo hoo..." 🎶🎶😂😂 (Shout out "Six Feet Under").
I don't think he forgot about Savanah. He was shocked that Janelle would expect him to put effort into that relationship because Janelle always did it for him. Janelle always bought the gifts. Janelle always planned the events when he was over. He explained in the confessional that he spent time with Savanah at Janelle's house, and now that she kicked him out, he does not have that opportunity. He said he spent time with Robyn's kids because he was at Robyn's house. I think it was a genuine shock that she expected him to put effort into a relationship with Savanah because he never had to before.
Again with Kody being lazy with his relationships with HIS kids. Most of Kody's 12 kids are not living with mommy. They have lives. Savannah was forgotten by Kody on Christmas 2023 & her birthday in Jan 2024. What does he not get . Savannah is young enough to still live with Janelle. Janelle would never stop Kody from taking his daughter to lunch or maybe take her shopping to pick out some clothes. He really is an unforgivably awful father.
I hear you and would love to believe this was the case. However, I believe he does not. He sees him self as the perpetual victim and has been left behind. I don’t think he can get past that to feel much of anything. And in truth, he drove everyone away. If he doesn’t come back to this season with a different mindset, especially after the passing of Garrison, people will not give him a pass. He and Robyn I am afraid did the alienation of everyone partially as a storyline and the worst possible outcome occurred. They are not likable people and I cannot see them being taken seriously in the future. Sadly, I agree with those that believe Kody really misses the other wives’ money.
He may very well miss their past relationships but he can’t see that he’s the one that caused the break up. I’m sure he misses the money too. I don’t think he’ll ever see that he’s the problem. He pushed them away and then wandered why they left.
I think he misses Christine & Janelle & the joy they brought. Even Meri could be funny. Robyn is so negative & definitely not fun. I'm sure he misses having partners who are capable adults that actually contribute to the family in multiple ways.
He is a human being, I think he misses his large family, but that doesn't mean he is self-aware enough to understand his ambitious drive broke his family apart.
I would like to know what amazing GOALS Kody was pursuing that his wives & kids were obstructing? Other than upscaling his life with free money fr the OG3, what specific goals did he not achieve??
@@Eyes.WideOpen Robyn really is the "evil" step mother. But why? Why go so far as to destroy 3 families? Did Robyn believe they would take the no contact or relationship with Kody or their kids with Kody lying down? If Robyn had just tossed a pretend bone to Kody's other families. They would all still maybe be continuing the dysfunctional marriages. Except for Christine. She is the romantic & wanted the man to herself. And Christine grew up in polygamy. So if she can turn her back on that upbringing, Christine was never going to let Kody ignore her needs (which she deserved).
@g.flesch9731 I think that Robyn had honestly been expecting Christine and Janelle to go along with her covid "rules" without any push back (like Meri). Her plan backfired and it's probably why she "sobs" about her porch pipe dreams, to convince Kody that she did want that.
@@blu3622 Agree but Robyn was pulling strings way before Covid rules from hell. Apparently, neither Kody or Robyn got vaccines. So why come up with ridged rules to protect themselves? Meri did adhere to Robyn's covid rules & she did nor allow Meri in her house. Why not. Meri followed your rules & it still did not satisfy Robyn. Kody was OK with Meri coming in his house. Robyn is like a rusting tool. She becomes more & more rusty. Her DEMANDS! Really did Meri, Janelle or Christine demand, demand of Kody!?? NOPE Kody did not accept demands until too pretty to work Robyn came along. Kody has been played by Robyn & her NEEDS. Kody is a pathetic puppy dog following his wife around the mansion. Kody is not a MAN.
Kody seems to value the "headship" or whatever they call it in the AUB. For example, Aurora getting earring as an adult, Robyn seeming to defer to him, and things Kody has said about being the boss in his house. But honestly, he really is following a very stereotypical pattern of forsaking his original children in favour of a new partner's children. Loads of parents do this. He's also following the narc parent pattern of abandoning kids once they get old to catch on to the lies and manipulation. I just hope the remaining Brown children know that none of this is their fault and that they are able to be friends with each other. Especially Robyn's kids, and eventually there is some healing there.
He misses them. I think he sits alone and , I’m praying, he is thinking how he did them wrong…. I’m hoping that’s what is happening but Kody snaps back to Koo Koo Kody with robbing Robyn around and screws up again…. I think he enjoyed the wives making him #1
I agree with you Nikki, I don’t think you are alone in that opinion. I said the same thing when Janelle mentioned Savannah, his face showed legit forgetfulness. Poor Savannah 😢. I think to completely say that anyone is detached from their humanity is not only fueling drama, it’s dangerous. We have to acknowledge that Kody is a human being with human emotions and he may feel apologetic about how the family fell apart. But I don’t think we will ever get the truth out of him because of his pride and ego, he sacrificed his family for it, to give it up now, would be a complete waste in his eyes, in my opinion.
IMO Kody gave up on 13 kids because he is lazy. Being connected to your kids as they go from very young into adulthood with families of their own & separate lives not in Flagstaff, takes effort & caring. He wants the kids to come to his house where his wife, Robyn, does not want them to be. They know they are not welcome. He does not seem to get that. If one of the 13 showed up to say hi, Robyn would not let them in because they are "not safe". Robyn helped to isolate Kody from his own kids & he still does not understand why his son said: Robyn you can have him.
I think he misses the idea of it, but I don’t think he wanted the responsibility of four wives and all of the children. The idea of that means they all praise him and they fed his ego. He may even miss what little of a relationship he had with a few of the family members. But I think the relief he has not constantly having people need him outweighed the ideal family life he pictured for himself. To which I say having a big family is great as long as parents can be responsible for them all.
Frankly, he probably felt like he was entertaining his kids but during some of those scenes the kids seemed disengaged or uncomfortable with him. It’s wild too me that C and J thought that he was a good dad to their kids.
I think he genuinely misses being the center and head of household he had. His ego did enjoy that. I also think he did love all his wives at one point, even though they married young and it wasn’t a Nicholas Sparks level love before they got married. I believe he definitely did not like Janelle and Christine leaving him. I think he always wanted to have that huge family and likes what he was with Robyn because she caters to him but isn’t that happy. He wants all the kids around. But he will probably never admit that he didn’t do a great job in nurturing those relationships as the kids got older. Like a lot of parents they just assume the kids will flock around just because they’re the parent and that’s not always the case. He gotta hold onto to his current situation because he can keep on molding the little kids to his liking.
I think he is completely happy with Robyn and her kids. The occasions people have caught pictures of them off camera they all look happy. If he missed any of them he would reach out to the others.
I think Kody misses the “old family”, the little kids, when the wife’s worshiping his feet. He fell for Robyn’s kissing his butt & believing everything he says. He loves that her kids submit to him. What he misses is being the light of his kids eye but they grew up & moved on. I don’t think he misses the wife’s & the kids NOW. Living in the past.
I think, aside from the lost revenue, Kody is so relieved to not have to pretend that he wants to be with anyone other than Robyn, I think it took a huge toll on him mentally, having to get naked and "do it" with women who repulsed him.
According to Mykelti she and Tony have decided to move to North Carolina to get away from all of that the way from all of that drama- Tony spilled that Janelle has moved to North Carolina as well did North Carolina as well to be with Maddie and Maddie does not talk to her father
No, I don’t think he misses them. I think they all just became too burdensome for him, especially since as they grew bigger, their view of his magnificence grew smaller. IOW, when they saw him for what he truly was, he lost interest in them - & his return on the investment for him grew commensurately smaller. Then, POOF! They were never all that real to him.
After episode 2 and seeing him nearly lose it(crying), I'm thinking he has realized he pushed them all too far. Maybe it's just because he's lost the big family dream, maybe it's that he's lost a ton of income, but I want to think that somewhere down deep he is sad. I doubt if he'll let himself dwell on it though. His lust/love for Robyn took him away from his dreams. I think he loved having 4 women..look how virile am, feel bad for me, be jealous of me, etc
As someone w a personality similar to Janelle who was married to someone just like Kody and a very very similar best friend banter marriage, yes, he absolutely does Miss Janelle but she definitely won’t miss him😂😂
Coming at this as an adult who has been no contact with my parents since 2018 I don’t think he actually misses his family. I don’t think it’s bc he misses his “supply” or whatever others often believe. I think that he will not do introspection as to why relationships fall apart and how he’s hurt his family members. I think that he doesn’t miss his family/kids because those relationships require him to see the breakdowns and face the ‘why.’ I also believe that his adult children probably don’t participate in the blame of their mothers and that means he can’t get the fuel for how horrible they are and how he’s the real victim. When you are someone who has been abusive (and the way he’s spoken about and to his wives and adult children is emotionally abusive which leads me to believe there was a good amount of emotional neglect and abuse growing up) you have to face that abusive behavior and do the hard work associated with that (which should be done with a therapist) or you surround yourselves with people who don’t make you think about what you’ve done. Kody does the latter. To be clear I think the Mom’s have all done their fair share of emotional neglect and abuse and I hope they’ve done the work instead of the kids deciding that since their moms are the ones they’re closest to and they were also enduring emotional neglect/abuse it can be justified or ignored.
Ok let’s take it from his point of view not taking into account anyone else reaction or behaviour. He was the centre of everyone’s world, they said they would “stop or change” every time he was around. He has said “ I was a polygamist, it’s all ego baby” His talked about his relationship with his kids and wife and their level of adornment. In the next season he try’s to get back together with jenelle even with it being unhealthy. The knife in the kidney, show it wasn’t how he wanted it, wanting jenelle to buy the house. (See he never asked meri to do that…) He wanted a relationship with every wife but meri. Even if it’s not the relationship they deserve or need. His also a dad, and while his relationship with each kid differs he had strong ones. He so used to say I love it when they work it out and I don’t have to step in. And the when they work it out differently then he wants he changes to the patriarchy. So yes I think he would miss it. And the way he saw his life and afterlife going forwards
Kody is on empty nest mode. He has a few minor kids that his wife, their older kids can manage with him doing to the stuff he enjoys only. It’s just one more reason why polygamy should be a prison offense. His oldest is 30? Even large families don’t have an age spread this far apart. 15-16 years… maybe. If they started young. And not more than 12 or so. Someone will bring up Bates or Duggars or their great gram. I’m speaking majority. There is a reason. His oldest grand kid is 7 and that daughter is not even the oldest. He is done. He is on grandparent mode. It is how God and nature intended it to be for most people. 55 year old has an 8 year old daughter. What gets me is there is hardly any effort in a chat or group text. Maybe it’s out of sight out of mind? The older kids not local, but the few close he ignores..
I think he absolutely misses the life he had in Vegas. He said he's going back through photos and realizing how much life he missed. I think he was looking at the social media of his kids and ex wives. Janelle said she thought Kody didn't want to reconcile with her, but he misses how easy it was to see the family. She thought Kody wanted to reconcile because then the family would be back together. He could go back to the days of showing up empty handed and late. A wife would have done everything and he takes the credit. Kody misses Logan, Hunter and Gabe. He had closer relationships with them, but he really loves the family gathering, giving him an instant audience.
I think he does misses the attention and being the center of the family. The thing is he didn't put in the work it was mostly the OG3 forming the get togethers.
Just my opinion, but I think he misses the attention mostly. I think he & Janelle got a little freaky. It’s usually the quiet ones. He could also talk to her & she wasn’t the most emotional person, so he was the more dramatic person & could kind of show off so to speak. I have only watched the show regularly the last 2-3 seasons, so could be way off. Most of what I think is based on watching other people’s commentary from past seasons/episodes. Christine really was the family center. He thought it was him, but her leaving really spelled out who everyone really thought of as the keeper of all things fun & family related. He thought the loyalty would be shown to him, but boy was that a wake up call for him. He is butt hurt over that. I think that is the real reason he is so mad at Christine. She essentially took almost the entire family with her. I seriously don’t u sweat and how he thought the show was all about him having multiple wives. It is called Sister Wives for a reason. Everyone wants to know how this works between all of them. He is just there almost as an after thought in some respects, even to his own family.
