@ChuckNorris-lf6vo how can you improve cooling other that getting more air flow with maybe bigger fans ? You cannot increase the fin stack. You cannot replace aluminum with copper. You cannot weld fins to copper tubes. Not easy enough for a home else to do it too at least. You cannot do much about it except to add more pads on the back and heat the back with maybe more radiators attached. I've seen that and it helps but it's not a solution.
I just realized i was measuring the wrong end of the capacitor for the memory phase. Maybe thats why i had no voltage on it the first time. Maybe swapping the 8 pin connector had no effect other then limiting the power draw when card is under load. Who knows ?
I mean, I don’t even fully understand what you has been doing most of your videos, yet I find it interesting to watch, and have not missed any of your releases since I discovered your channel lol.
I absolutely love the original RU-vid feel of these videos. Clear. Concise. Straight to the point. The sprinkled in comedy is just an awesome bonus. Please. Keep'Em Coming!
Hi! Owner of the cards here :) What an interesting fault on the EVGA unit. What do you think would have caused the bios chip to get corrupted? Did you flash the bios chip with an external programming device? This card was happily working and gaming one day, and then one boot, it was dead. The MSI I am nostalgic about because it was "the best" deal I had ever had in my used parts hunting. This was originally a 980TI lighting that I purchased used for $180 while still inside the MSI warranty period. Much to my dismay, the 980ti was dead when I brought it home to test. Upon sending to MSI for RMA, they said they could not repair, but asked if I would accept 1080ti Lightning Z as replacement! This experience shaped a very positive outlook on MSI as a company for me. The failure on this card was strange. A couple of times, the system would not boot, so I removed the GPU, looked around, put it back in, and it would run again. The last time, the system failed and would not boot, I observed melting and burn signs at one of the 8 pin power connectors. I thought for sure something shorted internally because one of the VGA 8 pin connectors was melted, deformed, and burned. I presume the fault was a gradual melting of the one 8 pin power connector first causing intermittent contact, and then an actual burn. Why in god's name would your use 3x 8 pin connectors presumably to spread the current and heat load out. . . just to design your cooling such that the entire VRM traps heat to the center of the GPU assembly right near the power connectors. . . so if you overclock the extremely well cooled core that has 8 lbs of heat pipes and fin stacks attached to it, it dumps even more heat into the VRM and it melts the power connectors. Thanks for taking a look at these. I would never have been able correctly trace the cause of failure on the EVGA card, and the damage caused by the MSI card was enough for me to get trained eyes on it. I did not expect the card to be "just fine" if a bit fire prone internally given the exciting circumstances. I am extremely happy with the repair results and would not hesitate to send more repaires your way, but I suspect once people catch onto how competent you are, the lines may get too long. I'll probably try to find a used waterblock for the MSI card to let it safely live out the rest of its days.
Could try downclocking and power limiting the msi card a bit. It might take very little to get it under control. When the heat spikes up, it interferes with conductivity, and that causes more heat, which further impedes conductivity, etc. It can be a vary small step of exceeding capacity which triggers the vicious cycle. I have a 1080ti STRIX OC, and I found that Asus's binning was just not up to par. And the card works great at a slightly more modest OC than the factory OC. But it makes much more heat and becomes crash-prone with just a few more percent squeezed out of it at factory oc settings. It works flawlessly (long term) at halfway between standard clocks and the strix OC settings.
@@kathrynck I suspect another fix may be to simply run the fan curve higher than I had it set. . . the cooler is so good at cooling the die that the fans do not ramp up very fast, but now I know a certain amount of airflow needs to be present to cool the center heat plate. The temptation when running this kind of card at mild settings is to keep it more on the silent side. . or, if at idle, with the fans completely off. . ., and the core temp can be deceivingly low. At the risk of looking like the idiot that sends 100% working cards in for repair, I am glad the internals were scoped out and confirmed before trying to fire this card up again in any other system given the melted power connector and burns.
External flasher is what I use. I don't know what can cause firmware to go blank but this issue exist on amd cards that have phase controller operated by firmware. Without special tool and software only a handfull of people have the resources to fix it. So sad. Smart devices have a mind of their own. One day they loose it and we are forced to buy new product.
It`s so interesting to watch you repairing these graphics cards. And the fact that you are doing this at such a high niveau makes it even more interesting. Keep uploading your videos. They are so good!
In the last couple of months before the RTX2000 series came out, i wanted to get myself a top-end tier card, so a 1080Ti fit the bill perfectly. I had these exact models to choose from and after some research into both of these models, i opted for the EVGA one, shipped all the way from England, although mine is silver rather than black. Fantastic card, great performance, stays ridiculously cool and never had a problem with it. RIP EVGA and thanks for the awesome GPUs. Thanks for the great video!
Their RTX 3000 series is alright but nowhere as good as the 1000/2000 was. ASUS is way better with the 3000 series. I was still hoping for the 4000 series EVGA card and if they get better again sadly F.
This is the most thorough GPU testing I have ever seen. Northridge Fix pulls off some amazing repairs on a wide array of things. But have never seen anyone do a GPU to this level. People online are like , yeah , I baked it in the oven for several hours🤣
Northridge Fix is a basic allround repair men, he has no time and for certain no knowhow to fix these cards. In my eyes he a bit of a scam, bc he is charging a lot for "no fix". Should be none or a very low fee, its his risk.
@@Arvidje Your scammer accusation meets my oppinion on freeloaders. He is obviously a working man and not the GPU owners' sugar daddy. I believe that if it is the GPU of the owner then it is the risk and responsibility of the very same owner. Northwestrepair might not match NVIDIA's laboratory, yet he seems not as that much incompetent as you implied. On the other hand his business is not a monopoly, there is a wide open competition therefor customers can choose between different prices and service ranges. No one is forcing GPUs to enter his shop. One could actually expect that if someone has had taken time to find and buy a graphics card this individual should also invest the necessary time to select the repair service of choice. And of course Northwestrepair should bill a reasonable minimum for a diagnosis even if it only takes less than an hour especially when the company's protagonist of the repair approach spent that time and got his hands dirty. People work to improve their lifes and not to fulfill freeloaders dreams. Repair guys need to get paid. If one cannot afford that one shouldn't care for tech at all in the 1st place.
@@a.tevetoglu3366 i am speaking about northridge fix.. that owner is a bit of a commercial scam. A repair service had to do a proper diagnose beforehand.. of it is a risky repair u can negoiate it with the customer. If u as shop dont discus about the repair, u should be fixing it, if u cant , u can only charge for diagnose fee. The customer can try then another shop with the diagnose. U dont want a board with is also tempered by the otter shop bc hé didnt had the skill and basicly damage it propably more or it Will be denied by the other shop. Northridge fix Will charge very high for a no fix.. 80 procent are no fixes on GPU’s
A lot of these GPU companies are using the same or similar power delivery components. Some are a little better than others in terms of overclocking but for the average consumer it really doesn't matter what card you buy. I bought a Gigabyte Gaming OC 3080 12gb which while not exactly praised is actually a really nice card. I was surprised, it looks far better in person. The main reason I chose it was price ($700 after discount) and the 4 year warranty vs the 3 you get on pretty much every other card. That matters to me more than RGBs or a better overclock.
@@northwestrepair No probs! Do you charge for repairs? I'd probably be more confident on attempting my own repair if I had the schematic for mine but Gigabyte won't let me see it for my own GPU.
Really amazing. I am always watching with great attention, the level of detail and professional approach combined with simple language is awesome. Keep up the good work!
One of my favorite where the Gigabyte gaming OC Vega 56, the notorious infamous one... But I've bought it from a moron that had butcher her up, and dump it on eBay but it never failed on me. And now it still pulling like a train on my friend's PC, never even the slightest problem. Arctic mx4 and that's it, it just works. EVGA power supplies tho... My Asus Strixx advanced binned 1070ti is the worse, without properly covering all the VRAM modules and with the fans connector so sensitive that after the slightest touch, will loose contact and speed up 100% randomly! There's no solution online for this problem still, or even acknowledging whatsoever... EVGA graphic cards where just overated, in my opinion just average, nothing more...
I was a 1080TI FTW3 owner from EVGA since it’s release date. Sold it during the crazy price increase for over the price that I bought it for. Basically got an EVGA 3080TI FTW3 for $300. EVGA makes some damn good cards. I’ll miss the beast of a 1080TI from them but it is what it is. Sad to see them go.
I've never had an MSI product last to half of the warranty.. and I've never had one actually get repaired under that warranty or replaced.. including having the repair service, in this case Fry's electronics at the time gaslight me having sent it back several times not having it been repaired.. which is actually not uncommon actually, my friend of mine found a list of parts that weren't replaced on his laptop at Best buy.. ended up getting his money back I had no such list unfortunately, nor knowledge that that was the thing that they did LOL.. there's this new idea that MSI is a premium part.. but they've always been bottom shelf as far as my experience has been, and it sounds like as far as their company and standards are anyways so.. yeah, I always I always shut her a little bit whenever he talks about MSI in a positive light but you know from from what I understand EVGA used to not have the standards and I've had many EVGA products just go completely bonkers, but EVGA has never gaslit me for several months.. they've gone out of their way to fix the problem. By the way the gas lighting seemed to suspiciously gas light significantly right up until the repair. Had expired and then it just was broken and not repaired.. and it's almost like that was by design.
@SAVE VICARIOUS VISIONS I also had them go around and round with a rebate to avoid it. They lost a customer in me....even though I can say that my 1070gtx from MSI is still going strong with regular use since Nov. 2017. So, I am at least glad I haven't experienced their low quality hardware. But it's my first and will probably be my last card from them.
That's total bullshit. I've been using msi cards like forever and never had any major problems with their mobos or GPUs. And even if I had they always replaced it with the new unit.
I have never heard of the msi lightning cards before. Ive owned theyre gaming x line cards and they usually offer really good temps compared to other board partners
I do have a MSi Radeon RX 6800 (not Gaming X Trio, the reference model) and I found it to be very good at thermals. I guess their new design does good contact to the vapor chamber for anything that generates too much heat, then its triple-fan design cools down the card very well. I don't regret buying it though. It was bought before prices skyrocked. It is almost 2 years old and I've got zero problems at all.
I had the exact same model. Thermals were indeed excellent, though hotspot temp was always very high compared to actual GPU temp: a 20 degrees delta between the two. Gaming in a 30 degree room and it was quiet and peaking at 65 degrees, however hotspot temp at around 85 degrees. Could have been a bad thermal pad on memory.
I once bought a flagship motherboard from MSi, the K9A2 Platinum. It died after 15 months of normal use and since MSi only had a 1yr warranty at the time, they told me to pound sand. I didn't OC and I only had 2 cards in crossfire despite it having four slots and Quad-Crossfire support. I haven't owned ANYTHING made by MSi since and I never will.
I have never been a fan of MSI, had trouble with a card right after purchase it failed within a couple of months of very light use. I never bought another one. This is the only brand I have had problems with after 30 plus years of gaming. My first card was a voodoo 1. You just confirmed my suspicions about this company. Great show I subbed.
I have an all MSI setup, except Ram cause they don't make their own Ram yet from what I've heard, and I`m very happy with it. Their keyboards and mouses are a bit mediocre but their monitors are 10/10 for gaming.
Wish I had found your channel before I bought my Asus 1080Ti several months ago. Right as prices were dropping good I finally got desperate to switch off my old GTX780 and went back with an Asus brand card. I got thier highest end model for $280 and all I had to do was replace a fan that had a broken blade. It was a great deal at the time but after watching your videos with I had spent a little more and got an EVGA. Anyway thanks for the enlightenment you do on your channel.
Got desperate as well as I started to play vr with my asus 970 that had some thermal mods done to it, wanted to pick up some demanding titels and ended up buying the highest tier 1080ti from gigabyte for €370 :'( . It was definitely used as a mining gpu as it had corrosion on the heatsink and rust on the screws but atleast it works. Now I realise I should have picked up a evga card instead and overclocked that one to match the gigabyte card in speed
10:42 isn't it a design to evenly spread the heat across the heat"spreader" then to blow it off with the fans ? What they basicly intended was to make the surface area bigger to cool everything at once. Seems like a good idea if you ask me , except the small SMD components under the spreader will never get the blowing air over them. Something for something...
Have you though about making a course/Playlist Explaining what you do? like - Tools that you use - Steps in "Debugging" the issue - How to perform the repairs properly ?
Not without a very good script and a plan. Problem is not the script or a plan but the cards. Repair hardly ever goes according to plan. I may plan 15 minutes session but end up having 4hrs of mumbling with no results to show. Nearly impossible at this point. Maybe some time in the future.
I love the content and your insight but the more suitable title is more like "Is 1080 Ti lightning is a good card?", it doesn't seem fair to say msi is either good or bad for making video card depending on a product they made 6 years ago.
As far as I can tell, my MSI Gaming Z Trio Radeon RX 6800 XT seems to have been constructed at a better quality, now they've pretty much put thermal pads everywhere and increase the thermal mass and heat sink size.
My 3060 MSI Gaming X Trio seems legit! I have had it since the begining of summer. OC running 180 clock and 1100 mem clock and it runs under 60c all day long. This card idles at 34c while doing basic tasks and when gaming most of the time it only runs 40ish maybe 50ish. Only reaches high 50c when playing competitive games that draw alot of juice.
Same for me here using the 3080ti gaming x trio OC 75 on the clock 500 on the mem card is running idle at 25c when under 100% load with the gpu fans to 80% it only hits 65c i do have 14 corsair 120mm fans running at full speed but still its a great card
i watch your videos to combat insomnia. and i mean that in a positive way, it helps me to calm down and relax, and sometimes i learn something in the process.
I really enjoyed the video and learned some new things from you... That said, I'm not sure if you're keen on accepting some constructive criticism about your videos... but...@10:18 the **DING!!** noise is FAR louder than the rest of the audio, and having first found your channel late one night, immediately caused some issues with sleeping family members... The noise is piercing and wrecks my nerves, and it causes my dogs to assume someone has come to the door so they spend the next 10 minutes barking and causing a fuss... If not for that ONE little concern the video was perfect and very nice to watch 🙂 (I know this is a silly personal issue, but I wanted to voice my concern... maybe some hard of hearing person is watching with the volume turned up a little more to hear you... that **DING!!** noise can be quite startling!)
Thank you for your content, very useful and shows your work to be of a high calibre. Now that EVGA have left the building, who would you recommend from the remaining manufacturers?
I don't know if you commented on this before. What company would you recomend someone get the 40-series gpus from now that EVGA is no longer making them? What's the next best company?
ASUS has gotten better but each card is different so its not always ONE brand that makes garbage or one brand that makes gold. They have their share of both but one brand was always a winner. RIP EVGA
Thank You for the great videos. I like Your approach and the fact that You don't skip on the details. Very relaxing to watch. Also, I think people are more interested in knowing how to fix their graphic cards now that we know that 4000-series is gonna be SO EXPENSIVE. :D I'm just praying my MSI 2070 doesn't falter anytime soon. Your videos reminded me that it's time to take my PC to the company and blow out all the dust. Cheers
Looks at a single product in a stack, identifies a genuine oversight in terms of design, makes a sweeping generalization that all products (graphics cards) from the AIB suck (as per the clickbait thumbnail). Quality content.
Cheers from Paris, thx for sharing. I do not often understand every technical words that you says, but weirdly i keep on looking your videos with great interest. Like watching a chinese speaking kung fu movie, i don't understand but i like it lol.
It would be so nice if you can check and review the thermal pads & cooling designs of all new and branded GPUs right now so that we can choose the best quality brand of GPUs..
Love your repair videos. Keep it up! Is there any software other than benchmarking software to check if my GPU is working at optimum levels? Something that can give me an idea about where a fault or bottleneck is. Thanks
my MSI 980ti failed someday after a few years of use..after 10..20mins in a handful of games, my pc just turned off. no other issues in different games even benchmarks ran fine for hours... after suspecting my psu to be too weak since it was quite old, i replaced it... the next time this fault happened, it blew up the gpu chip by spitting out smoke out the corner at the edge where the silicon die is epoxied to the substrate. there was a crack and sood ...obviously right when gpus prices went crazy for next next year
i have 1080ti msi gaming x trio and it have alot of proper thermal pads and is great in cooling compared to other brands and 3060ti gaming x trio i havn't opened but its also even more cooler then and have bigger fins then 1080ti this is the first time i saw msi lightning card... never really saw any hehe only Supreme and Gaming x Trio..
Your content is decent and you look trustworthy ... let me tell you smthng about my card i have a gtx 1080ti ftw3. Everything worked fine until when in full load my pc restarts ... gpu is fine when in idle when i play light games (csgo) pc shuts down after 20-30 minutes but in heavy gaming(withcer 3) it shut down in 2-3 minutes i opened the card and repasted it .. then it was fine for some days i run tests as well ...but now the same problem again any idea? thank you for your time
Such a cool hobby. I wish I could do this but it seems expensive haha. Do you know how to do motherboards or other boards from other electronics, or just gpus?
I’ve been running MSIs Lighting Z and now Suprim X since my Strix 1080 days and always been happy with there performance. With the 4090s which do you think will OC better Suprim X or Strix OC I think FE cards always underperform slightly over the best AIBs but are best priced
im an msi fan. owner of a suprim too. but i think rog will have it. tho i think the suprim wont be far off. very little % wise. just like the 3000 series. depends which one u want more!
At first i was not surprised these video don't have more views, but 4 videos later and I'm surprised. Its like watching T90 AOE content... its therapeutic for some reason.
damnit, i was just looking at MSI 4090s because they would fit my case. if they dont take thermals seriously, there is no point buying a 500w spaceheater from them.
I have RTX 3080 Ti MSI SUPRIM X , besides one fan annoying rattling sound (common SUPRIM X GPUs problem) no complains yet . Unfortunately I haven't had the opportunity to buy ASUS ROG STRIX one , but MSI works fine for me .. but maybe later next year i will do repasting and change thermal pads for better ones :)
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the MSI Lightning series, or the EVGA 1000 series. Stop trying to spread misinformation based on your EXTREMELY small sample sizes. You don't do this every time, you are absolutely correct with some designs. These ones however, no. Not at all.
I worked in computer hardware for quite a few decades. and MSI has one of the least return rates/ RMA of all the main graphic card and motherboard manufacturers. they also have a wonderful customer support service. I have owned many products by all the main manufacturers such as msi, evga, gigabyte, asus, etc. MSI is one of my favorite brands. Reliable, functional architecture and always a cut above most top teir competitors.
