Me personally Nasty is doing well for himself and I feel like we need to stop looking for international validation to measure how great our music is. And why are we funneling this energy just on Nasty C. He's the biggest, but not the ONLY export we have from SA Hip Hop. Why put this much pressure on him when there's so many artist who could be on his level, possibly surpass him
@@fleece8549 fully take over American Hip Hop? Are you hearing yourself? Lol. All US rappers would have to die before that happens. He'll never outshine them in their own space.
But which rapper ever reached Nasty's height in SA? He changed the game single handedly and opened doors for SA rappers globally. We have rappers that sound African but they nowhere to his level..
Im live in the states , first time I hurt Nasty C it was on Davido Coolest kid in Africa. I thought he was an upcoming American rapper only to find out he was wasn't. In the early stage he had a unique sound, but i think as he progress he leaned into sounding more Americanized versus development his unique sound.
I think South African artists that "American" are a product of what they grew up on and at the time of their come up that's what the general public were looking for and that's what they gave us, then we got it and now people are hating on it.
It's different hearing an American sound done by an American than hearing it from an African, the lifestyle is different and the feel AKA was the only one to rap and look flashy like an American but in an African way
You know what's funny Def Jam had the same theory they thought they couldn't sell an "American sounding" rapper from Africa so they made him rebrand himself as Zulu Man With Some Power & made him rap in Zulu, & what happened? His orginal fanbase was not so happy they wanted the Nasty they always knew & the international market didn't receive the album so well either, in the end it resulted in his worst album. Even those who were begging for Nasty C to have a more local flavor (the Notas & so forth) said it was a trash album. So Nasty goes back to his roots & does I Love It Here, which maybe his best work & his core fanbase was happy dispite it not having much international progress. As for his verse on the AKA track yes it had local flavor but can he do a whole album of that? My question is as a International Record Label who would you rather push, a original piano artist or a rapper trying out Piano for relevance? My point is Nasty switching his sound will probably do more damage to his career right now then sticking to his guns. I feel like we don't know what we want, Reece found his sound on TTTM then people told him he sounds the same, Nasty is versatile & switches his sound alot but people are now saying he must "find his sound". I feel like we'll never be satisfied with our hip-hop artists in this county we don't appreciate them & we don't realise the ones we got no matter how "non African" they sound they sounding way better then alot of what's coming out in the states. Why are we still seeking validation from the States in 2024. The American market clearly has a stereotype on what kind of music a African should make. They never going to accept a kid from Africa rapping better then them, so what? No matter how big you get as a artist your bread & butter will always be your home country so why are we putting pressure on our hip-hop artists to go international? We got artists who chased the American market & failed & it came at a cost of losing their core fanbase (I will not mention these artists). Knowing that why are we still expecting our artists to go international? What is there to gain from going international? I'm no Nasty C fan but all I'll say is he's OK just the way he is, I think the disconnect though may have more to do with the lack of relatability in his songs in comparison to his other local hip-hop peers not his lack of "local flavor." His music is good as far as pop radio hits are concerned but I don't think that's what the current market is hungry for, this is my opinion.
Pro kid Sounded local did he go international NO it not about yoll Mzansi it about accommodating every country around the world to Notice you and vibe with you
He needs to refine what he did on price city that sound best defined he's true potential...he doesn't have to sound african to cross over its all about the substance
I'm gonna check out the episode cos of how well Foxx articulated his point. However, just like you I agree to a certain degree. I believe the Lemonade success may have encouraged him to visit that home-brewed pocket when he feels like it. But i don't agree when you say there's a bunch of upcoming US rappers that are as good as Nasty that side. His USP to me atleast, is that he's better than any/most US rappers/artists at their own sound. And I believe he knows that too. So for that reason only, he should be recognized Globally for the American sound he chooses to focuses on and was inspired by, as much as the Drake's n em. If we can recognize that his skill levels are unmatched, then he should be treated and received that way. Unless we use the word "unmatched" very loosely. He's literally the best in my books and many other people in Africa and abroad. I don't think his vision is at any lesser scale to a Drake, Cole, Kendrick etc. And with him personally saying it repeatedly, that he won't become a vernac rapper shows how much he believes it. Cos that leaves him in the same ground with them guys. Maybe it's the American labels that deliberately don't want him disrupt that elite list as an African kid (since he's signed to one). That's a better angle I'm willing to consider than asking a perfect artist with so much potential STILL, to outdo himself at any given moment to try a different sound in order to get attention. Maybe we need to back him more to dominate them at their own shit, if that's what he really wants. Which I belive he made his mind up on, a long time ago. He's just too humble to say he's better than all of them. After all how crazy would he look saying that??? We should be the ones stating that on his behalf because we see it repeatedly. But his stance on music, suggests all that and more. And I know he's too sensible to change anything. May he continue pursuing this journey. For one day it will all be worth it (It already is, in my eyes)
it's fair to say that Nasty C grew up on American music and he is staying true to what inspired him but also he's an artist and as the industry taste evolves he also has to adapt. It's already hard for most rappers in the States to make it so how hard is it going to be for a non-American coming with the same style to make it? you know. Drake tapped into the market from Canada by sounding different and introducing a distinct approach to the business and the Americans chewed that up. J Cole realised that the Lil Whatevers were coming up and the market loves them and he put that in his music. He didn't compromise his lyricism instead he improved. Even here in South Ah, there's the KOs who are still relevant today because they adapt. My fear is that Nasty will suffer the same fate Shane did by neglecting the very same market that's kept his career alive. How are you gonna win in SA and then after just one project you go and push in the States? He should infuse these sounds before shit hits the fan.
this might be a weird take but bare with me here neh... is African music being viewed as a novelty or an actual piece of art that warrants respect? when you talk to alot of "ordinary" people from the states, UK, Germany or anywhere else they kinda don't care about how "African" you sound, they care about the quality of the art. this might sound crazy to say😂😂😂 but bro the whole "where's the cowskin and the broken English, where's your accent and your dashiki" is not a consensus thing, it's a industry thing. nasty isn't getting shafted cuz he's not African enough, it's because there are 500000 other nasty cs out and about, his problem is simply art direction, management and beat selection, nothing else really, putting iBeshu n telling him to speak in an accent won't make him bigger, it will just come off as disrespectful and tasteless honestly but that's just me...
Nasty C might be the most talented rapper we've ever seen in South Africa next to AKA. But people saying Nasty C opened doors for RSA rappers internationally are capping. Tumi from the Volume, Hip Hop Pantsula and AKA walked so that he can run. Should he change his sound? I think he should because he's too old and experienced and famous enough to experiment with sounds comfortably. Does he sound too American? Yeah, he does. But it's not a problem here in South Africa and Africa, but in America, it's stunting his growth because you can't America more than an American.
An artist will change his sound if he has grown within his own space out side of the music industry, where their is no cameras and filters. If he doesn't change his sound he or she is clearly telling the listeners he has not grown and is comfortable. If you really know music imma give you examples .( Kdot , Cole , ye , Tyler ) When you listen to these guys first projects and last projects their is so much growth you can hear not repetitive music. That's what SA artists lack . AKA mastered that art and no one in SA will ever archieve that even Reece himself
@@wezleeparks "no one will ever achieve that" this mentality is the reason why SA hiphop is cooked bro, ya'll have no hope for the next generation and yet still expect them to deliver. it's like telling someone to partake in a competition and telling them that regardless of what they do they'll never be number 1, they're destined for 2nd place. this aint the way we're suppesed to be moving as fans.
I agree coz Nasty is the next to AKA's throne so he needs to do more Zulu song's to grow his fan base here like he can do some House songs and Afro beats.
Nope strongly disagree with you there's already rappers in USA that fell off bad by doing the same kind of style and flow and rapping the same Nasty C has a lot of ways of rapping which is good
I don't think Nasty needs to change his sound. I just think he shouldn't leave what has worked for him before. Hits like Hell naw, Jack and whatever he did with the Strings and Bling album he should keep doing that it worked people loved it. Yes he should grow and explore other sounds but also incorporate what has worked for him in the past. I think with I love it here it's not his sound but the song choices. I don't know if he did it on purpose but it feels like he wanted to make an album that will get better with time. An album with song that grow on people not instant hits.I may be wrong but he should grow yes but incorporate what has worked in the past as well.
Aka did switch to the SA flavour but still cdnt tap to the international stage lyk thar. So we shud support our artists so they dnt try hard to seek validation from the states coz we got them. I believe this guys shud stay true to themselves, whether switch to Yanos or stay to the roots of hip hop...its all good. As long as u do what u love. Lyk Reece is hop hop forever, nomatter wateva, through the potholes and cracks. Dats y he has a mass following, coz he does wat he loves irrespective of the implications. Dats y Casper is falling off, coz he is following trends not his heart
So like basically a rapper in Africa need to make it as a rapper get recognition outside and suddenly become an Amapiano,Afro beats Artist or even Traditional rapper to be approved ?Where in the States or Globally,why not support the ones who are already doing vernac,Kwaito,AMapiano give them the same support Nigerians give their Artists...if this was a valid thing there so many rappers who been rapping on local sound how come they not on Nasty level or Areece level...the level that Nasty is on who supported him was it only local suppport or even abroad ?Can a local rapper sell a million sales in a week only locally to validate that as a market he should be aiming for?This entire debate dont make sense at all
I think you're looking into it deeply. Nasty is an anomaly since he's so talented and drops great music. But because he made his international aspirations so public and hasn't really exceeded expectations, people are going to voice why that might be case and how he could potentially improve
You know what i hate is that people say Nasty does not relate, buts it's the same people that will bump Drake, j. Cole, kanye, Kendrick and many more that is hardcore American plus relate to Americans. I'd love to hear you guys say you don't listen those big rappers coz you don't relate.
Its so sad to see that in 2024 we stil dealing with a mentality of peoiple thinking you cant be a Rapper and make a living out of it when you are African,like you need validation of your Africanism,like your identity on your local ID Card or Passsport is not enough,does this apply when you a a business man in a foreign country you need an element of where you from, to be supported does it apply to Doctors do they need validation of using traditional medicine to be regarded as true Doctors or it dont matter as long as you do your job?Or maybe people are slowly getting tired of listening to rap or Hiphop or outgrowing it,like they been pretending all along,last time a checked the most sellling rapper is German,followed by a canadian but i have never heard no one say this kind of thing.
Ironic cause Blxckie doin better than David in the states but David went first That ReeceEffect popping louder than the thing he doin with Refiloe n I’m not even a slime.
@@pthvtg But they implied it. What does "Where's the African" mean? They trying to put pressure on him to sound like every South African that mixes their native tongue with English. Proper English is associated with being American in SA especially among the black community ,as if we all speak broken English. Nasty is special, and he stands out from all those rappers.
Nah bro he's doing great next thing yall gon say he always sound the same an thato saul him hell no let him be how he is we enjoy him an all the different styles he comes with, rapping aint easy its not a soft sport there its hard
I low-key blame nasty bro jus sayin dawg coz there are alot of people who love nasty but the label bro it dont push him like that u see soo ya dawg thass what i feel
after what nasty said in a stream about hip hop wouldnt be suprised he goes full on afrobeat or amapiano next and honestly its ok get ur bread we have enough albums to hold us down def not interested in hearing him in that bag for a whole album personally
Why are our artists tailoring their music for americans make hip hop for africans and tap in into the whole continent this american hype is just vanity
