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Does passive listening work in language learning?//Technology and the future of language learning 

Anna Cher: Russian from the Heart
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Привет, друзья! This is the second part of my interview with Steve Kaufmann, a famous polyglot. We are discussing whether passive listening really works, will people need to learn languages in the future (or will Google Translate do all the work) and do you really need a teacher when learning Russian.
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Комментарии : 36   
@heinrichheine8822
@heinrichheine8822 3 года назад
I like the fact that Steve is prepared to be interviewed in a language that poses some problems for him. He makes mistakes, forgets some words and - the least important aspect - his pronunciation could be better. But overall he speaks very well, explains complicated ideas and understands everything. Too many polyglots like to give the impression that they speak each of their languages perfectly and it's discouraging to other learners. However, in relation to speaking, I wonder why there isn't much more emphasis on simply speaking to yourself aloud - when you don't have access to native speakers, that is. I've done that with several languages and have found it a very useful exercise.
@myrussian18
@myrussian18 3 года назад
I would say it depends on your goals of language learning (i.e. just becoming conversational vs mastery) and where in the language learning process you are. (Freely) Speaking to yourself aloud without a corrective instance may lead to the fossilization of certain errors you do, in particular, when you aren't well versed in the correct usage of the target language's grammar yet (you will most likely transfer structures of your native language). The same goes for pronunciation. It's a similar opposition as between "Speak from day 1" (i.e. Benny Lewis) vs "Massive Input first before output" (i.e. Matt vs Japan). The first approach will get you conversational faster, but you will most likely get stuck to that level and hardly surpass it as it's much harder to correct fossilized errors later, the second approach takes much longer until you actually will have your first conversation, but in the long run, it will more likely lead to a much higher level of proficiency in the language. Neither approach is wrong, they just serve different goals and as a learner, you should be aware of them.
@heinrichheine8822
@heinrichheine8822 3 года назад
@@myrussian18 You're right, of course, about mistakes becoming fossilised when speaking without correction. However it is not at all a question of one or the other approach. You can begin speaking very early on AND work on grammar rules, reading and listening.
@a_true_one7696
@a_true_one7696 Год назад
The problem is nowadays people are obsessed with the idea of sounding 'like a native' from the very beginning They are always afraid of making mistakes, which, I believe, slows down their progress.
@Borat_Kazakh
@Borat_Kazakh 3 года назад
My daughter studied Russian for three years in high school, never getting less than A's. She said she learned to read quite well, but did not learn to speak well. The teachers would not let students speak without interrupting to correct grammar errors or incorrect declensions. So students wouldnt just start chatting like Steve did. It was an example of the "perfect being the enemy of the good". (She became a nurse and a mom, so it all worked out.)
@politicalsharpie5860
@politicalsharpie5860 3 года назад
Spot on. Correcting is destructive. Suggesting a different word or phrase is constructive. A big difference that instructors of any type need to understand. Like your daughter, I was also a straight A student (in Spanish). but since the tests were all reading and writing, I could not understand or speak the language. Strangely, the native Spanish speakers in my class were B and C students even though they spoke fluently. That is institutional language learning for you.
@annaromanova1233
@annaromanova1233 3 года назад
Большое спасибо за грамотно построенное интервью. Многие вопросы были оригинальными и интересными. Чувствуется огромное уважение к собеседнику. Атмосфера самая тёплая и дружеская. Успехов Вам в трудах ❤️
@learnalanguagewithleslie
@learnalanguagewithleslie 3 года назад
I only had time to listen to this now. I do most of my language learning by passively listening (and reading subtitles and elsewhere wherever possible). I have spent hundreds and hundreds of hours listening over the last three years. Probably close to a thousand hours (if not more). I make it a daily habit anyway. I have had very little conversational practice (perhaps in total literally only a few hours). It doesn't bother me too much at this stage. I agree that if the level of vocabulary is high enough, the ability to speak becomes almost automatic. The trouble is that when you are at an advanced beginner or lower-intermediate level, if we try to say whatever we want, we soon get to a word that we don't know. So it's not possible to say whatever we'd like straight away. Even 2000 words is not enough for this type of conversation. This time I had to look up about a dozen words in this particular conversation. I'm personally aiming for about 5000 words. Then I might hit some books too. Hopefully then I'll be better able to communicate. I just try to keep my learning positive, don't ever give up. If I find myself a bit reluctant to speak, my plan is to add a little alcohol. I've noticed that chemical usually overcomes any foreign language speaking inhibitions... Also w.r.t. speaking, it depends on whether you are an introvert or an extrovert. I prefer to listen and understand first before speaking my mind. I think overall technology is a big big help. I tried to learn Russian about 20 years ago and it was a big fail. Looking back, technology has helped and I was probably doomed to fail without it anyway. For example for me, I like to check my pronunciation with google translate. If I come to a word that I don't understand, I say the word in russian, then I get the word in English. Also nowadays you can watch Netflix with dual subtitles (with an app). That doesn't hinder, that helps IMHO.
@naturallanguageacquisition
@naturallanguageacquisition 3 года назад
I've been studying Russian following a Comprehensible Input / Mass Immersion Approach with vocabulary training for the past 4 months and I can understand quite a bit of this conversation. Of course I've seen a number of Steve's interviews so I have a lot of background context to help me understand but it's still very rewarding and motivating.
@ayi3455
@ayi3455 3 года назад
I learned Russian 2000 - 2002 in the Russian cultural center in Jakarta. I tried to read Dostoyevski and Chekov in their original language with a dictionary next to me. I give up.... I didn't finish Chekov novel though I had made a photocopy of it. Russian is such a difficult language. 1. the cases / padzesh 2. the verbal aspects : perfective-inperfective 3. the verb conjugation. I understand Steve's speech, but not able to speak as fluently enough as he does. as for Anna's speech, I hardly understand. Only few of her words.. I like to learn foreign languages. I speak German and got Mittelstuffe-1 Zertifikat, which is equal to B2. But now I can only answer B1 questions satisfactorily. My German deteriorates. However, I can still speak German with the same fluency with Steve's Russian. Now I'm learning Chinese. I got Hsk-3 in October 2019. However, I still speak German better than Chinese and Russian though I don't use it anymore.... My Chinese and Russian are more or less the same. I read Russian articles better than Chinese, but I listen to Chinese conversations better than Russian. It's easier to read Russian compared to Chinese.
@juliasheyan5499
@juliasheyan5499 3 года назад
Очень интересное и приятное интервью. Спасибо🤗
@anastasiapanagiotou874
@anastasiapanagiotou874 3 года назад
Αννα μου γειά σου, I wish you a happy new year and all your wishes come true!! I would like to thank you for the amazing lesson! You deserve the praise!! Хорошего дня!! ☘🌼🍃⚘☘
@frizzytop
@frizzytop 3 года назад
Как обычно, ваш видео очень мне помогло. Я люблю Стева - он так обнадеживайюшуй. Спасибо большое, и я надеюсь што вас всё впораядке.
@ItsJustAdrean
@ItsJustAdrean 3 года назад
Уровень у него русского языка неплохой. Словарный запас отличный. Произношение надо улучшить, но это самое трудное. И большинство речи понятно. Некоторые фразы совсем его обходят, когда использует, и поэтому чувствую с ним трудности речи. Но он хорош, и отлично понимает методы, чтобы с каждым днем делать лучше и лучше. Мне очень понравилось видео
@angieharfoush8304
@angieharfoush8304 3 года назад
Спасибо большое 🙆
@dimasveliz6745
@dimasveliz6745 3 года назад
I very much liked the format of this video. Inviting people who is learning the language brings some reality to the table for us, the beginners. Many Russian teaching channels focus on methods designed for Russians speaking people whereas for the non-Russian speaking people they are hard, we need different techniques sometimes cuz features of the Russian language doesn't exist in our native tongues. Thank you very much for the huge amount of work you've put out for us. May your year end well 🤗
@AnnaCherRussianfromtheHeart
@AnnaCherRussianfromtheHeart 3 года назад
I am glad that you find such videos useful. Thank you very much for watching! I also hope your year finishes well 🙂
@PAULOJAN1
@PAULOJAN1 3 года назад
Я обычно использую платформ LingQ . По-моему , mini stories очень полезны! Это отличное видео и я совсем согласился с Стивом!!
@islammwafi9893
@islammwafi9893 3 года назад
Very good
@rhysarlow9264
@rhysarlow9264 3 года назад
Can you add English captions? Not quite at the level of understanding everything yet lol
@Guyomar
@Guyomar 3 года назад
Как просто сказала Анна "Чтобы научиться говорить, нужно говорить"
@SpankyHam
@SpankyHam 3 года назад
что тренируешь - то и тренируется. Что люди развивают - то и развивается.В спорте это называют принцип специфичности.
@MD-ft6fp
@MD-ft6fp 3 года назад
@@SpankyHam точно. А все остальное - литература!
@RussianwithTatiana
@RussianwithTatiana 3 года назад
Интересно
@SouthPark333Gaming
@SouthPark333Gaming 3 года назад
It does, but only to a certain extent
@WeiseGuy91
@WeiseGuy91 3 года назад
First part had English subtitles, this is all Russian subtitles. That sucks, I wanted to listen to the rest of the interview but I don’t know Russian yet.
@amarsalem5671
@amarsalem5671 3 года назад
Анна большое вам спасибо за полезный разговор, желаю скорейшего выздоровления; тебе кажется немного холодным, не так ли?
@perseoeridano4182
@perseoeridano4182 3 года назад
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@fyodordobrovolsky5415
@fyodordobrovolsky5415 3 года назад
Стив упомянул 3 миллиона слов - суммарный объем текстов, прочитанных им в процессе изучения русского языка. Именно эту цифру называют в качестве рубежа, за которым начинается уверенное понимание чужого языка. От неё отталкиваются при использовании методики "extensive reading". Это равно примерно 60-70 книг среднего объема. На этот объем работы, думаю, и следует ориентироваться после того, как (обычно достаточно быстро) достигнут уровень Intermediate.
@davidmares6053
@davidmares6053 2 года назад
12:20 dodged that bullet
@kays3956
@kays3956 3 года назад
hi there Anna, the link to the 35% discount on linq is not working
@AnnaCherRussianfromtheHeart
@AnnaCherRussianfromtheHeart 3 года назад
Kay, I will check what’s going on and let you know, sorry about that!
@ayi3455
@ayi3455 3 года назад
I understand what Steve is talking about, but I don't speak Russian as pretty well as he does. I speak German. My German is as fluent as Steve's Russian.. I had a lot of opportunities to speak German. Language is a matter of habits and habituation...
@thespectator775
@thespectator775 3 года назад
Add English subs, please
@a_true_one7696
@a_true_one7696 Год назад
То, что Стив говорит на многих языках, в данном случае на русском, лучшее доказательство того, что его метод работает.
@jeffreyd508
@jeffreyd508 3 года назад
In The Police State of America, I encountered non-native English speakers every week, so we are used to it. I live in Ukraine these days, and every person I speak to, I assume I am the first non-native Russian speaker they have ever communicated with, especially since they dont know how to slow down, "dumb it down", and speak отделно, not sure how to say in English, maybe speaking without running words into each other
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