Does S550 the Mustang Drive Modes have any effect on Power & Torque? 

I'm glad you found me as well Barry! Welcome

Thanks for watching! I was hoping to see HP & TQ difference but there just isn't. Hoping the tuner can find a few more and think that won't be a problem on a 93 tune.

@@TonysFordsandMustangs Is your local 93 fuel got ethanol? I assume it's the same everywhere. We can buy 91 non Eth here. & a few places got 93 octane w/Eth. & everyone says that 'Pump E85' is all over the map on its actual content of Alcohol. I never bothered to test it myself. Anyone remember Vickers gas stations? They were 1 of the last 1s to sell much higher octane fuel than nearly all the rest. This was in the early '80s around in Midwest.

@@Mountain_Valley_Sky We have pump 93 with ethanol. I drive all over the country and there are many places where they sell 85...

@@TonysFordsandMustangs Great video. So, there's really hardly any difference between drive and sport mode.

@@robbyrob8349 In terms of Horsepower or pedal response no they are the same. Other things such as steering input and damping levels do change between the modes.

Thank you, I'm going to different dyno next week and we will try that.

@@TonysFordsandMustangs it’s funny because if you hold the traction control switch down and get the message that advanced traction control is off, you think that would be enough but dyno pulls still can freak it out. The plug is kinda funny, it’s just tail end that doesn’t go anywhere but it completes a circuit for the traction system so when you take it off the system is truly disabled.

@@johnpenwell6402 Thank you very much. I will be digging into it on Tuesday.

Glad it was helpful!

I'm not up on BMW's so can't speak you your former car however there should be plenty of low end torque with a healthy GT. I would suggest you reach out to your local tuner and have them take a look at the tune on the car and or do some dat logging to see what happening. It's possible you do not have a factory tune or there's another issue with the car. Best of luck.

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Thanks for watching!

Well If you have issues roasting the tires of the line just use normal as it's linear.

Thank you for watching. It's appreciated!

Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching!

Thank you sir and that sounds about right. However I use the car to drive between tracks and on several long trips a year. It may sound great for short distances over a long haul (400 to 800 mile trips) that might be a bit too much for me. I'm going on the intake side and with a tune and see where that get's me.

Ben, I would have agreed with you but Sport+/Track has the same exact pedal tables. Neither is more or less than the other. We might be feeling a difference in the damping on the suspension perhaps Sport+ is not as firm and it gives you a feeling of being pushed back in seat a bit more (not sure). Normal is linear that is correct. But I would take what you hear at the driving school (outside of actual driving instructions) with a grain of salt and here's why. Most of the the folks that work at Track Attack are driving instructors. Most of the instructors are sub contractors to Ford and not Ford employees. Many of those instructors rotate in and out of that school and several other schools. In the winter they will go to teamoneil.com/ (which is on the Ford Performance website) or another school that teaches winter driving. That's how it is at most racing schools. Any of those folks would drop any instructing job in second if a actual driving seat opens up. Bottom line is I wouldn't consider anything technical they tell you as fact. I asked driving mode questions when I attended and drilled down on them a bit and they stated "Only the Ford engineers know exactly what these modes actually do." While that wasn't the answer I wanted at they were at least honest. Not sure Who told that info but I thinking that was a guess on their part. Here's a bit more to prove what I am saying about the school. Here's a list of instructors from their website. www.fordperformanceracingschool.com/instructors/ Only 2 of these people were at school the day I went. Take a look and see how many you recognize. I would guess it wouldn't too many if any depending on when you went. Thanks for watching and I intend to give it another shot soon if the body controller lets me.

@@TonysFordsandMustangs Thanks, and agree to take it with a grain of salt. I’m just baffled by Sport and Track having the same curve...track is noticeably less aggressive off the line than Sport...but could be suspension as you said. I’ll have to (happily) do more testing.

@@DeadBen. I agree but tables are tables. It's hard to argue with #'s

I know...but now curious if they changed anything between 2021 and 2022 (unlikely, though they did change HP). Might see if I can use my OBD plugin to log fuel rate against throttle position in different modes.

@Tony's Fords and Mustangs Hey Tony - really hope I'm not bugging you with my thoughts on this topic. In follow-up to yesterday, I did plug in an OBDII scanner and was able to compare throttle position to pedal position across the drive modes. It's not an exact science, but it's interesting. I was able to get the app to show percentage of accelerator pedal applied; absolute throttle value; and relative throttle value. The throttle values were not 0-100, but just values to monitor. I made a terrible phone video of the results if you're interested to see them. Essentially, 20% on accelerator pedal gave me (approximate) throttle values of 29 in Normal, 31 in Sport+, and 27 in Track. And 25% accelerator pedal gave me throttle values of 34 in Normal, 36 in Sport+, and 31 in Track. The seat-of-the-pants feeling was right in line with Track getting less throttle for the same amount of pedal (on what I expect to be linear rather than the curve). Curious to know your thoughts. Are things different between the two model years? Was your table representing something else? Or have I been breathing in too many fumes? Thanks! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Rf7V-TUYBec.html

Probably not a bad move. The used car market is started to decline and might be is free fall by this time next spring. So the 21/22's might be a good deal in the lightly used car market. New cars will follow that trend once supply overcomes demand.

Thanks John and thank for watching. Yes I did a few follow up videos on this topic on the dyno and we did just that.

My bad. It's only been up there for a year :) Thanks for the heads up and for watching!

Thank you! I owned an 03 Mach 1 for a few years and the C pillar panel cover were no different than a standard Mustang. If you are referring to the covers people put over the rear windows most of those were stick on deals that can be removed with a heat lamp. I would have to see what you are dealing with to advise you. Shoot me pic in my email or a message on facebook. My contact info is in the comments section of every video.

@@TonysFordsandMustangs Hey there Tony, here’s a picture of my 2003 Mach 1 The sail panel has a tighter curve than that of a regular Mustang and GT.

@@TonysFordsandMustangs Hey Tony, having some troubles attaching my pictures to your website. I have to go out today, but I’ll get back to you asap!

@@johnsorensen3831 youtube won't allow you drop a pic in the comments sections. You will have to email it or hit me up on instagram or facebook

@@TonysFordsandMustangs Hey Tony, can I get your email address?

Maybe do a few vid on settings for ea of the most common driving scenario. Like, steering & shock settings to run while in Drag vs Sport vs Track... When to use Track vs Drag mode vs Sport while just on the 2 lane highways? It's all opinions.. I know.. But hey. We gotta talk about something once all the dyno test topics are worn out.. Is it common to pull that plug apart up under the driver's side hood area when on dyno, & not worrying about modes? I've heard it called the dyno 🔌 plug. Or dyno Unplug - actually.. Thx for the Vid, Tony!

I understand and I did as well but there isn't. It's all in percentage of throttle input to pedal input. You can have open exhaust in Snow/Wet.

@@TonysFordsandMustangs that makes sense. I know the valves open up in the higher rpms. What about quiet mode? The owner’s manual of the Mach 1 at least advises against using quiet mode on the track. Figured that was because the active valve exhaust would be too restrictive.

I thought the same but that isn't the case.

Only real difference I have ever seen on a bone stock car, is in drag mode. On the shifting on a A10 auto, maybe .10 on a good day😎

Only real difference I have ever seen on a bone stock car, is in drag mode. On the shifting on a A10 auto, maybe .10 on a good day😎

Only real difference I have ever seen on a bone stock car, is in drag mode. On the shifting on a A10 auto, maybe .10 on a good day😎

Only real difference I have ever seen on a bone stock car, is in drag mode. On the shifting on a A10 auto, maybe .10 on a good day😎

All S550 V8 Mustangs so yes GT's as well. Sport & Track are exactly the same in regards to pedal position.

agreed!

If you have active exhaust it's the way Ford has it programmed.

If you lost modes I would guess it's something in the tune. That's the first time i have heard that from anyone. The car goes a bit nuts when the fronts are stationary and rears are turning at 100 MPH. The wheel sensors feed that information to the ECU and it freaks out until you drive for a few hundred feet and then it normalizes.

@@TonysFordsandMustangs Thanks 🙏

@@stewart-D Best of luck. Not sure how/why they would loose your modes.

No sir I did not dyno the 21 however there are several pulls on RU-vid. They range from anywhere between 396 and 447 HP. Altitude, air density, temperature, car temperature, the dyno itself and many other small things play factors in number discrepancy and most of those on RU-vid are only going to show you their best pull. I think the 480 HP engine number and 410 to 420 to the rear wheels is accurate in stock form.

@@TonysFordsandMustangs felt the 411 pull was a good one for ya. Look forward to seeing what's next

@@cameronsund5477 thank you and I do as well.

A bypass valve opening isn't going to increase HP.

That's very true. 100% it there in all modes if you push the pedal down far enough

I'm going to try to stay NA. Headers are most likely the next add.

@@TonysFordsandMustangs trust me, install a Procharger. Bolt ons add up fast. I have a stock coyo with a Procharger pushing 700hp and drives like stock till u wake her up with that morning woody 😉