Does Sonic Frontiers Still SUCK!? | One Year Later 

I don’t think it sucked at all but it definitely had room for improvement

I get these kind of titles draw in attention but it’s kinda getting a bit repetitive in format. Espically since your review of the base game seemed to be thinking it was more of a lukewarm output than thinking it sucked

Unlike Sonic Forces, I hope we see another game like Frontiers. I think this is the type of game I would want to buy and play. Sega needs to put more resources into Sonic games at this point because it's getting really sad seeing how low budget these games are.

Some say if Mania released in 1997 it would’ve been torn to shreds for being derivative and tired, but I’d honestly say that Frontiers would’ve been given no mercy if it was released in 2013.

After finishing The Final Horizon, I went to finish a play through of Unleashed that I had on the back burner. And as I was playing the final boss against Perfect Dark Gaia, it made me miss something I didn’t realise was missing in Frontiers’ bosses: the dialogue. A lot of the older games had characters talking during the Super Sonic bosses, and they not only added to the atmosphere, but also explained how to beat the bosses in case some players found it unclear. Frontiers lacked this and I think that was a big mistake. They should definitely be added back in the future imo.

Trust me the most useful attack in frontiers is the stomp, it cuts through the cutscene attacks and it’ll slams through there hp

Anyone else think he should drop the clickbaity titles? I prefered the older more genuine and straightforward titles that made you want to watch the video for the "how come?" or "why?" instead of the "does it?"

Sonic Frontiers is honestly one of the best Sonic game to come out since Unleashed. The story was amazing, the characters felt how they were supposed be, and the open world mechanic was very well implemented, and the music was just perfect. The DLC's only improved on these, and fixed the one thing i had a problem with: The ending. And we got Super Sonic 2 out of it. I couldnt have asked for more.

Despite loving Frontiers a lot, I won't deny that the tower climbs in The Final Horizon made me rage to a shocking degree. I was baffled to say the least, and then the final boss happened and I was clueless on what to do. By the time I defeated it and saw the new ending, I felt completely hollow. My feelings have softened a bit since then, and I realize some people actually wanted Frontiers to be a lot harder, and they definitely got what they were asking for, but I was so relieved to discover that Easy mode lets you cheese those towers and have a longer parry in those later challenges, because wow. Clearly this video wasn't easy for you to make, but I really appreciate that you went through with it, because I honestly had no idea whether you would feel better or worse about the game overall after the updates, and was very curious to hear your thoughts. You raised a lot of great points in this video, regardless of how I feel about Frontiers personally.

7:50 unsure if dmc5 carries this over but higher style rankings in the dmc games always made your moves and combos stronger, not only is it an aesthetically pleasing design choice, it's that it actually rewards the player by making their attacks more effective

Honestly... being able to play as Amy, Knuckles, and Tails was the only legitimately fun part of the DLC. And that was entirely because once you fully upgrade all of their abilities they can literally FLY across the map, making it really fun just because of their ridiculous mobility. You can basically skip most of their puzzles because of this... which is fine by me because getting the reward is the only fun part of doing said puzzles. The Trials were just awful, and very unintuitive. The towers you had to climb were unforgiving on any difficulty other than easy. The titan boss rush was HORRIBLE because the bosses are so janky and weren't designed with the perfect parry in mind. And worst of all, what could have been an epic finally with a new Super form was bogged down by the horrible camera, janky mechanics they never told you about (pressing the trigger to switch targets to take out the purple wire), and a rather repetitive counter attack animation.

It's funny to me that in November of 2022, both Sonic frontiers in pokémon Scarlet & Violet released to a magnitude amount of issues, bugs and overall questionable game design decisions and yet, the approach both games had gone to try to redeem themselves were completely different. Frontiers may not be as terrible or 'absolute peak fiction' as what people on the internet like to claim it is, but I will at least be grateful that despite how little time and more importantly, _budget_ Sega granted their devs with (along with threatening to fire the director too simply for asking for a delay), Sonic Team really tried to improve their game in several fronts from quality of life features, different control schemes, and straight up new content plus mechanics that add more to the overall experience all for free. One sought to try their players back with core improvements to their game, focusing on its weaker elements, while the other simply charged their consumers another season pass where they go to a secluded area completely separate from the main game where they just do the same thing that people are tired of for the last few decades. Also all the bugs, glitches and performance issues for Pokemon have not been addressed either because _we gotta get that bread am I right?_ And while I would say Sonic Team didn't quite fully succeed in making the final product as great as it could've been, for the first time in a long time, I can actually say that I have hope for the future of this franchise. I just wish the light I see at the end of the table is not another Red Herring where Sega ignores all the feedback for this one, pivots, and chugs out yet another completely different gameplay style that nobody asked for🤦‍♀️

14:33 This scene literally screams "I'm a first year film student in a big project" xd

Tbh i never though it sucked, it has problems that doesn’t let it get 8++ as a vote but still better than many games we had in the past

"Comparing Sonic to other games isn't fair!" Lol Sonic fans really are something else

This game may not be perfect, but it's still a great Sonic game and a step up for the future of the franchise moving forward.

It pains me to agree, but this is exactly how I feel about the game looking back. This game in concept gets some parts right, but in execution it does a lot of it poorly. I hope that going forward we get something that reflects the AAA intention that unleashed provided, but that's another 5ish years waiting and that hurts to say.

am i going insane or is the game HEAVILY chugging in this videos footage every few minutes? like holy christ that looks horrendous and im surprised nobody else has mentioned it in the comments so far

It still boggles my mind that the basic movement parameters have sliders. Sure, this helps people figure out the movement that they like best, but they shouldn't need to. That's the point of designing a game: you design it. And that's all of it since its different components have to interact and play well together. If there's such a disparity in being able to move around the map as requiring sliders for acceleration, then the map just isn't designed well. It's one thing to have sliders for FOV and sensitivity -- the physical, IRL ability to control how the game responds to your inputs -- but how fast you move? Ross Scott pointed out in his most recent video that a lot of game criticism gets bogged down with criticizing the low hanging fruit that isn't really the problem. Sliders aren't inherently a problem, and it's good to give players more deftness to their ability to control the playable character. But the bigger -- deeper -- issue is why that needs to be done for such fundamental movement parameters in a game series where momentum and map design encouraging building skill with fast pace, appealing movement. If you had to provide sliders in Sonic The Hedgehog or Sonic Adventure 1/2 for their speed and acceleration, you would break the game. And that's not breaking it in the way speedrunners do and people routinely praise Sonic games for letting you do. You'd either have settings too low to allow you to actually complete levels without many, many more automated sections, or you have settings too high to actually control Sonic in a way that makes the levels feasible without constantly stopping to regain control. Yet this isn't really an issue in Frontiers, because the map isn't really built with Sonic's movement in mind. The map just is and Sonic's movement just is; they weren't designed together. And this is the same issue with the new update. We can debate final boss or ending is better, but that's not really the issue. The developers shouldn't be able to do that. And that isn't to say they should be barred from doing it, but that it should break the design of the game. The entire game led up to that point and supposedly was designed with some sort of goal in mind, both for the concluding gameplay and the story's conclusion. Maybe these were the dueling ideas for where they game was going and the team never pinned it down to a single creative direction. Maybe it's a retcon based on critical reception and the original wasn't actually all that important. Either way, the design was never finished or (worse) done in the first place. Sonic Team has done some amazing games in the past, and designed games that fundamentally changed aspects of gaming, taking on (And briefly eclipsing, IMO) their rival of choice, Mario. It's just so painful seeing them not able to succeed anymore, and I kind of wish I hadn't learned about the Sammy-Sega merger, because it explains too much of what's happened over the years while being just cynically mercenary in the worst sense (Moon Channel's video on "Why Sega isn't Overprotective of Their Intellectual Property?", if you want to know more).

Yeah, i think this is more so a subjective "it just didnt work for me" kinda video, which of course is perfectly valid. There is no point about discussing this game or really the whole future of official games when it seems most people made up their mind, you included. Now I can just anticipate you to review a series I think most people enjoy, that being the 2012 TMNT. On a quick side note, appreciate you admitting the whole Frontiers vid being rushed. Takes balls to admit that.

Sonic frontiers is still a great game, it’s not the best, but it’s great for its Open World exploration, the Combat moves are super fun to use & the bosses are a blast, and there’s plenty of post game content to try.

The openness of “from the time I booted up the game to publishing my original video was 82 hours” is great but also, absolutely an objectively awful way to review a game. Proper completion of the game can take up to 22 hours. You factor in sleeping, eating, writing a script, editing and uploading and to say things were rushed is a massive understatement. I among with others I assume, would prefer you take time with reviews rather than rush to trend. That admittance has just made me far less likely to watch your review of a recent release moving forward.

frankly the most interesting thing to expect out of frontiers for me is if some madman redesigns all the open zones to have challenges and structures that fit the area instead of just being floating rails and springs

I have a question. So jump momentum has been added right? Does it apply to the drop dash too? I've played the updated game and jump momentum just doesn't work for the drop dash. Is there something I'm missing? Is there a specific way jump momentum needs to be added to it?

I've never agreed with something I disagree with more than this. Coming from somebody whos completed the game 3 times, I think all your gripes with the game are valid and things I don't like myself (like the parry). I still think the game is fun though, and I've enjoyed the first two updates thoroughly.

I've never felt so disconnected with the Sonic community than with this game LOL. It's so hard for me to call this game so much as 'decent' when I know Sonic games can be, and have been, significantly better than this in one way or another. But it's been so long, fans just don't remember or don't have that experience with some of the older titles. This game has a ton of spectacle and that's a very important ingredient in a Sonic game, but it's almost completely lacking the substance underneath. The loops of gameplay are either incompetently put together or totally shallow.

Well, it was obvious that the final battle was crap and poorly explored by devs. But man, they somehow managed to design and even poorer endgame. It's almost unbelievable this level of incompetence. Congratulations to them, I guess.

Honestly I haven't bothered with update 3 much beyond the initial excitement of playing as new characters. Between the insane difficulty increase of the level design and boss rush, it just didn't sound fun to slog through. Combined with Superstars' final two bosses being similarly frustrating to the point where they took me over 8 hours to complete (the final one being due to poor pc optimization), and it just leaves me scratching my head as to why these games, for as unpolished and messy as they are, are expecting such perfection from the player. I really hope they cool it with the difficulty and focus on polish because holy shit.

Honestly having sliders just feels like the developers didn't know how to make Sonic control themselves, feels amateurish and insecure of them. You don't see Mario doing this, or any other platform. It is a shame...

I feel like the Frontiers design could work PERFECTLY if it was done in a city, or cities. In Unleashed you go from continent to continent, this could work with Frontiers. If Sonic Team comes out with a Frontiers 2 turn it into a world adventure.

They made the latest DLC ridiculously hard. I gave up trying to beat the King Coco trial.

This game may not be perfect, but it's still one of my favorite sonic games

THANK YOU!! I really needed to someone to actually point out stuff that all people likes to ignore. It really saddens me that this is a the project people settles with

4:30 - I got the spin dash without ever needing to do the trials. The game just gave it to me as soon as I booted up my save file.

Having played Penny’s Big Breakaway and being reminded what Sonic should be focusing on, I’m soured on Frontiers big time. I don’t care if Sonic feels like the most Uber epic adventure with AAA graphics and tons of hours of content. I want a game that focuses on 1. Letting people play the game and not being loaded with automation and on rails crap. 2. Being freeing with the movement options and level design. Stop with the excessive 2D sections in a 3D game. Stop with the hyper linear “challenges.” 3. If they’re continuing to go open world, keeping the gameplay focused on physics and exploration, not button mashing combat and tower climbs because BotW is popular. 4. Not making the epic moments into QuickTime events. That’s not gameplay. Between Frontiers ignoring the series’ identity, Origins and Colors Ultimate being rushed, and Superstars’ problems, I’m done until Sega creates a smash hit. The series had a better run than many would give it credit for, but Sega clearly doesn’t care about its workers or their games’ quality anymore.

No I completely disagree about letting the player adjust the controls to their liking. They're not the game designer, so they have no idea what the character should control like. Even if you spend like a whole hour tweaking, it's not gonna feel right. And that is simply because THE GAME WASN'T MADE WITH A CONTROL SET IN MIND SO IT HAS TO CATER TO EVERY POSSIBLE OPTION BY BEING AS GENERIC AS POSSIBLE. And that is EXACTLY what happened with Sonic Frontiers. It is an empty game filled with almost no real 3d platforming. They fill up the map with automatic rails to grind and switch to 2d segments often because they literally have to. That was the only way for them to give you a platforming segment with all controls in mind. If you ever want to make a game, please do not let the player dictate how the character controls, your level design will suffer immensely for it.

I just dont like frontiers. All the people who say "its the best sonic game" give answers that are most likely in other sonic games (normally the adventures) and overlook all the glitches and things. Something as simple as the pop in makes the game look pathetic and beyond last gen. I don't really understand the praise, and I can already see someone replying to this saying "but its got a story" or "but the characters do more than forces". The only reason I see people say that for is because its better than forces. Which it is. But that isnt a high bar to reach.

Also, sorry to make a second comment, but I think someone like you, Js, is worth a place in the Sonic community. To be a bit blunt, I think it's nice to have someone who's got higher standards in this series or one with a completely unique perspective. I notice that Sonic players (not specifically fans) have fallen into a state where they accept what I believe is subpar or mediocre Sonic games, almost as if they're afraid of giving any level of criticism to a series they adore, but that's not how games or series get better.

It never sucked

The more I look back on Frontiers, the more I'm not excited for Sonic to be yet another open-world where you run around and do random shit.

Frontiers was always a great game for me personally. And the updates simply improved everything I already enjoyed. Of course I'm aware of the unpolished state the game is. But for me the good far outweigh what I found bad.

I feel like people were so desperate for this game to be good after Forces and years of nothing that they simply convinced themselves it's somehow not bad. What a shame...loved the Adventure games, even liked Heroes and Shadow and Secret Rings as a kid, Unleashed was fun for me and Generations at least had nostalgia going for it. But I'm pretty done with the series after this steaming turd.

Literally majority of comments here is “this game may not be perfect, but”

I don't think you're a party pooper. I don't want to tell anyone what to think about Frontiers, and if there are people who think the game it's perfect, that's great. But I personally thank you, because I didn't like the game either for those same reasons, and for a moment I thought I was going crazy.

I like frontiers, but it feels like a fangame. Fun but super unrefined with a lot of generic assets. I enjoy the formula, but really want it to be refined. With Superstars and Dream Team they seem to be getting better with the interactions, art design, and especially the animation. I don't want them to just throw it away

There IS a reason to mix attacks. The big cinematic attacks slow down everything that isn't Sonic. If you mix different cinematic attacks, the enemies will barely get a chance to attack. You can technically do it with 1 cinematic attack too, but you'll have to homing attack in between to reset the process, whereas mixing different cinematic attacks doesn't have that problem, making it more efficient. Add to that the fact you can cyloop certain enemies to leave them staggered for a long time (especially with quick cyloop), and the ability to cancel ANY attack with a quick-step, and you can do a lot more with the combat than you claimed.

The criticisms of Frontiers are understandable, I’d love to see what J thinks of Sonic Dream Team and if he’ll play it.

Sonic Frontiers became a game I extremely loved, also this is the few times Sonic Team is using combat mechanics. They haven't perfected it yet so only we can hope in the next game, it'll be better. Also, Sonic Frontiers only had a 2 year development time. So yes, it was rushed. But this is a test of what we'll get in the future so whatever wrong Frontiers has, you'll probably won't see it in the next game!

I haven't even touched the final horizon update other than once, tried out Amy and hated how floaty she was.

i thought the overworld was terrible, but i still think a sonic open world can work. needs a lot more natural pathing for one thing, better overworld missions and mission variety, then a lot more stage variety too. games like steep, riders republic, jet set radio, and tony hawk are good examples of natural pathing in an open space environment. missions and mission variety just need to give the players a goal, a timer, scattered enemies and traps, and allow them the freedom to find best path to reach the goal.

Alot of the sonic fans in the comments need to get higher expectations, "its got flaws but blah blah its great actually" its not. the moment you compare this game to literally anything out rn including indy games, it falls apart. Its good for a sonic game needs to stop being used as an excuse, same with it being a step forward. Its a bad game, period.

I have a soft spot for the story, SS boss fights, and the new playable characters, but I personally don't find the game has aged very well

My God... Thank you for saying it! I know that many people like the cyberspace levels but for me they are the most mediocre and bland thing about Sonic Frontiers. As he said in the video, the cyberspace levels had visually repetitive theming as they cycle between the same four-stage aesthetic making these levels uninteresting to watch. And before anyone tells me otherwise, first think about this for a moment. Frontiers has 30 cyberspace levels, and only has four stages in the entire game. Of those four stages, only one is completely original and the other three are from previous games. "But hey! They're better than Forces levels" Of course, they are longer and have more alternative paths, but what's the fun of going through the same four stages over and over again? It also doesn't help that most of those recycled levels feel like poorer versions of the original stages they borrowed from. Many may disagree with me, but I think Forces did a better job with the stages. I mean, Forces, like Frontiers, had 30 levels and had seven stages, but only three are stages from previous games and the other four are completely new stages. And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the levels and stages in Forces are better than Frontiers, but it's crazy to me to realize that in Frontiers there are ten levels of Green Hill, while in Forces there are only three levels of Green Hill in the whole damn game (Well, if we include the Arsenal Pyramid, that would be four levels of Green Hill, but that level doesn't look like a typical Green Hill level).

I completely agree with the section on the new update. As hype as it is, the boss rush to the health generating final boss with the vague instructions on what you even need to do along with the environment getting in your way, and the damn camera going all over the place has a lot of confusing and quite frankly, amateurist design choices that just shouldn't be a thing in 2023.

A superb video, but-- Is it me, or does some footage weirdly stutter? Caught me really off-guard.

Honestly, I see Sonic Frontiers as a stepping stone for the next mainline game. That sounds harsh, but I wholeheartedly agree with your take on the game. It's just okay, which is probably why I dropped the game shortly before the final boss a year ago and contemplate to finish it with the new updates. I feel like it's easy to get blinded by the boss fights as they are hands down the best thing in the game. That's at least why I think some people gave the game such a high score.

Nobody: Litterally not a soul: This guy getting the spindash through mods: I have no shame

Short answers: Yes, and it got worse from there…

This is definitely my new favorite game of all time...minus the final horizon. Edit: Nvm, this game is perfect again.

Finally! Someone talked about all the problems I had with the game! Boring story with meaningless callbacks, the collecting got stale by the third island, annoying forced 2D sections, stiff animations, and boring environments. I don’t agree with the boss fights though. I haven’t had that much fun in a Sonic boss fight since Unleashed. It’s so refreshing to see someone have the same problems that I did. Every other fan is praising the game like it’s the new SA2, and that confuses me. We even agree that getting to finally play as these characters isn’t as exciting if you already didn’t like the base game since you’re just playing all over again.

While sonic frontiers isn't my favourite sonic game, the free DLC improved it at least a little bit, and it gave me a reason to play it more, if thats worth anything.

Like i said it's just a mid Sonic game. It's not anything to write home about that Sonic fanboys are making it be. Wait you'll get called an "Adventure or 2D shill" for not kissing ass to this game. I hate the Sonic community so much.

10:25 I disagree with this point. Like it or not Sonic has always performed best on Nintendo and the Switch sells like hotcakes. So if the game is on Switch it should be made in mind for the weakest system. While I hate the fact the switch is holding the game back from an economic standpoint it would be stupid to design the assets with the strongest system in mind rather than the weakest Specifically taking about the model and texture quality not the performance

I kinda wish you talked about the new cyberspace levels a bit more, I thought they were really fun and challenging and a big improvement over the base game. I understand the total package isn’t for you, I’m just glad to enjoy a Sonic game unconditionally after all these updates.

As someone who enjoys this game, I have to admit I wouldn't recommend it to anyone who isn't a dark age diehard. Sonic fans need higher standards.

I’ve put nearly 54 hours into Sonic Frontiers, i finished the main game after 27 hours, i reached the final tour in the final horizon update and tried to beat the challenge and stopped because of how hard it is,i really tried to like the game, i dont hate it thats for sure but i dont like it either. I agree with everything you said about the game so far your review is the most honest reviews of this game i’ve seen so far.

Hey J Do you have any interested in the Spark the Electric Jester games?

So basically the people in the comments are upset because you have an opinion different to them.

My biggest gripe with the Final Horizon DLC is the final boss. The camera doesn’t always stay on The End, and even when you’re trying to target the cord to disconnect him, it doesn’t always work. Then, you have to cyloop around the gun jammed between his shoulder blades to continue the battle, and if you get hit by an attack after that with less than 100 rings, you automatically die and have to start over. It’s a really unfair boss fight in an otherwise enjoyable game. I blew through the rest of the game in five days and had an absolute blast doing so.

I always wonder why RU-vidrs always have the worst opinions when it comes to sonic games.

I actually have a large feeling that this game is less kind to western audiences because its design choices are more in line with the japanese style open world rather than american style. Sort of the difference between Witcher and dragon quest if that makes sense.

Still haven't bought it yet, still looking forward to playing.

OH MY GOD, I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS VIDEO FOR TOO LONG, THANKS J

For anyone who thinks J's take on Frontiers is too harsh, just know that there are much more unforgiving reviews like Jimquisition. Also everyone has different opinions and one person's take isn't gospel.

Frontiers is great. I think the traversal and combat were handled well considering it's meant for kids to understand. I just don't think comparing it to devil may cry combat is fair considering 7 year olds have to be able to play. So, I think they did a great job with the cards they were dealt.

In my opinion sonic frontiers is one of the best sonic games but i don't know why sega dosen't add momentum or boost damage and combo ranking

Understandable. I’ve only played and beaten the game once, I enjoyed it. Never bothered going back to it since my backlog is huge lol

I haven’t played the new D.L.C. It’s fun to run around, but interacting with the surroundings is annoying as when Sonic runs and it’s something, he just flies and it’s annoying. I think the islands looked good, the first and I guess second island was kind of fun…but it’s meh to me, it’s they’re just an islands with automatic platforms that don’t belong to that area and are in every island. This game is fun, but I don’t feel like I want to go back to it. And I hate that I have to do all challenges (forgot what they’re called) in all islands just to unlock a move that should’ve been in its released. (11:17) Whenever someone mentions F.N.A.F in a Sonic video, I’m just reminded of SplashDash cause he does that too from time to time.

Just finished it, I’m on the dlc, and I cant bring myself to like nor hate it. My biggest gripe is wanting to turn some sonic moves off and the spin dash should be default. My biggest take away is the strange urge the islands give me. I roam the islands and cant help but think of how fun it’d be if I had these islands to play around on in SA1.

The amount of popping on this game is something I cannot urnderstand, it's so easy to notice and breaks immersion so much that I cannot understand how they didn't manage to fix it or work around it. If you cannot render platforms and objects from a very long distancee at last throw some fog in there...

I remember when I first got this Frontiers on switch for Christmas last year and I legit couldn’t put down the controller and I played the game for 2 hours straight. The open world felt really good to run through, the missions/side quest are cool and while cyberspace felt weird at first and clunky, you can do some crazy shortcuts if you use Sonic’s momentum and boost to his advantage. And I will still play the cyberspace stages over Every modern and classic Sonic level in forces and I’ll stand by that. I love how the Titans had a good cinematic feel and you can feel the weight behind the attacks Sonic dishes out and the interactions with Tails, Amy and Knuckles really helps this game’s story and the references to games like Adventure and Unleashed bring the story together really well. Sonic Frontiers is a step in the right direction but I will say they can improve on the formula and use for the next game and hopefully they don’t pull a lost world(lost world isn’t a bad game) like they did after Generations and expand on the said formula to give us a better experience overall. And I’m glad this game did well on metacritic so there is actual hope that Sega can still make good Sonic games.

Sonic unleashed still the best sonic game. If only they would release another sonic game where you can speed though busy cities and not just making basically empty landscape with a bunch of levitating platforms that exist for no reason.

I feel like the way the spindash is implemented is way too extreme. It does make it fresh and fun for a bit but after a while you kinda realise that most of the places you previously had to be somewhat creative to reach can now be reached with an easy press of a button. Where you previously had to get a small ledge to enter trick state then double jump and r1 sideways to reach you now just ... spindash and it gets you there easily, where you had to find a rail to jump from and carry its momentum you now spindash. It is way too strong and way too versatile and it takes away the need to aproach different scenarios in different ways.

I’m a year late to this conversation, but I’m a little mixed on Frontiers… For the things I appreciate about the game, I liked the music of course, I enjoyed completing the challenges and getting the collectibles as easy as they were, and while I think the story could’ve used a rewrite, I did like the dialogue, the slow pacing, and the sweet moments coming from Sonic and Co. However, the flawed mechanics, horrendous presentation, weightless combat, and the overall blatantly janky gameplay were really difficult to ignore. I haven’t played the DLC because I already returned the game to my local GameStop after beating it. I didn’t see myself wanting to go back to the game again.

Short answer, nope.

I can kinda agree the final boss in dlc 3 may be too vauge on what you’re supposed to do; tho if you talk to the Master King Koco before the boss he can give you hints, but the option only appears if you 100% the map beforehand. I didn’t ask the Koco for hints but it didn’t take me long to figure out what to do on my own. It’s pretty obvious the cord attached to Supreme is what’s giving him health back. What else could it be? Since I knew I could switch targets mid combo with the bumpers from the Knight boss and regular combat, I figured the same applied to attacking cord. The game has you cyloop alot of stuff especially for puzzles; “when in doubt cyloop” is what I go by when I was trying to get Supreme’s gun. Since you haven’t played the game since release till recently I can’t fault you too much for not picking up on all that. A part of me still believes some players are just slow on the uptake, especially since I’ve seen people fail the last qte in the original final boss despite how straightfoward it is.

One gripe, the wyvern boss u can parry the missiles to speed the whole thing up. But yeah the boss fights are just confusing as hell

For the most part I agree with the criticisms. The only fundamental difference with our perceptions of the game is whether or not what does exist, highly flawed or not, still can be fun. I believe it is, albeit it does become excrutiateingly repetitive at one point or another and the DLC does little to change that even if it is a bit more challenging/free in terms of traversal (admitedly I have not done Sonic's portion, which is the one that has been criticized for its difficulty so we will see). Seemingly, there is nothing about the gameplay loop you enjoy in contrast. Indeed, the automation gets under your skin the more you play the game and this does need changing going forward for me to continue to find enjoyment, but I'm not sure improving upon the repetitiveness and making collectibles less automated (which is a big part of what makes it repetitive) would change your mind much. This is unfortunate seeing as Sega has confirmed that this will be the template moving forward. They may do a better job with actual stages, boss battles, etc and (hopefully) steer away from hyper realism and create open worlds more fitting of early Sonic, so there could be some fun for you to have. But there will always be fundamental design choices you won't be able to get behind.

I am a huge fan of your thoughts and videos, but this was genuinely frustrating to watch. It feels like a repetitive, angry, panned out waste of time.

I can definitely agree that Frontiers lacks in some areas and I'm sorry the game didn't turn out the way you want it to, but for me I enjoyed it overall. The spindash and the jump deceleration saved the game for me since even the island's on chaos can be skipped with a well placed spindash. As for final horizon I think the main reason why it came out the way it did was because the new playable characters were not build in mind during the initial development so they had to bring them out as soon as possible. But despite all this the fact that we have all this extra content for free is simply amazing.

Hey wait a minute, are you ever going to do a review of The Murder of Sonic the Hedgehog? I dont remember if you even mentioned it b4

12:21 felt this heavy since I stopped when I got to chaos island even though I knew I wouldn’t have another chance to play for awhile since I was at my cousin’s house

No, don't apologize J. You did nothing wrong. You didn't like the game, and still don't and that's perfectly fine. The only people that should be apologizing are the ones that chose to be mad at you and this review for no reason. The game has become insanely overrated anyways, and the only reason why many are hyping up this game is because it's a "Good step in the right direction". Even though people also said that about Colors and Generations and they didn't guarantee a bright future for Sonic. Just like how the Adventure and Advance games didn't make any promises ether. And Sega is still making stupid decisions with this franchise like Colors ultimate, rushing the developers for origins and making apple exclusive Sonic games.

I ageee with a lot of your points in this video. I like the game still, but I feel like there should have been more in various aspects. Like the story is ok, but I would have preferred more detail on the civilization, more stakes throughout the game, stuff like that. Some of my favorites games of all time are the BOTW and Horizon games. With those series you learn so much about the world directly and indirectly. Directly through cutscenes and indirectly through small things you find like images, diaries, and even the world itself if you pay attention to the environment. I don't feel like Frontiers does that very well. The islands are very basic in art style and a lot of other ways like what you can find. It's just memory tolkens that lose their value after a while. I can't really play Frontiers for long with just wanting to play something else. Its fun, but theres only so much you can do. It also doesn't help that I don't like Cyberspace, so.

To me, this game is good enough. It certainly could've been better and there's sonic games I definitely like more. However this game did well and thats means sega will probably put more resources into the next game and we could get one of the best sonic games ever.

18:59 ain't no way lmao, I remember that part of the fight and almost gave up because I had the exact same issue. The more you know...

Man. Sucks ya didn't enjoy it like I did. I hope the series does something folks like yourself can enjoy next time around.

i didnt like the part where you said that you were sorry to the people who expected your opinion to change after all the updates, dont apologize for ur opinion!! people should never expect you to feel one way about something like dont worry about thatt

Can you please re upload the video? RU-vid seemed to fuck up the footage heavily

As a Sonic fan, I loved Frontiers to bits. But as someone who plays video games... Yeah it had issues. Not that it was garbage or terrible, it just had issues.