Does the 2020 Ram 3500 Cummins Out-tow Ford and GM on the World's Toughest Towing Test? 

SO.. let me get this right.. If the truck does its own brake applications then its fine.. but if the driver has to brake then it counts against the total?? Why? the truck is probably using more braking then a human would. so its GOOD for it to wear my brakes faster and potentially overheat and warp them??

Napster6 The Exhaust brake is way stronger in Ram then the Ford and GMC , the point is the truck is safer and won’t let ya have a run away, have you ever hauled over 30,000 lbs with a 3500 pickup?

Something isn't right with that truck it was only pushing 20psi boost should be 35 psi under load

@@dodgeman2324 You have no way of proving that the engine brake is stronger whatsoever.. The computer in the RAM uses the normal brakes more than the computer in the Ford or the Chevy.. That much is blatantly obvious. "Zero break applications" does not mean the brakes weren't used.. That's part of the problem that hundreds of commenters are currently having with this video. And considering that 30,000 lbs of towing capacity takes a CDL I highly doubt you have towed that much so what's your point?

Napster6 hahahahaha I’m licensed with AZ

Ford can do the same thing, they just didn't get one with adaptive cruise this year. GM however doesn't offer adaptive cruise yet. They have a following distance alert tho. They did the f450 years ago with adaptive cruise and it held them.

David Hillbrand 👍

Yep. The Ford will hold it too. They set the slight increase in speed to low. Leave foot off break with cruise on and it will downshift and bring it right back to preset speed. PS. Ford crushed them. Also, he always complains about dodge mirrors and how they can’t telescope in/out. Till now. But they still don’t telescope. Terrible design.

If you plan on keeping a truck 4 to 8 years it’s a no brainer Ram is the only way to go. If you like spending thousands don’t buy a ram if I had to explain you shouldn’t buy a diesel truck

@@KoolCordell ford doesn't have the air ride though which is huge when you're towing

You may be right... But only .0001% of trailers pulled on a givin day travel downhill on the Gauntlet and need 5 brakes but you need to have passin get up and go sometimes daily on the highway.... And the Ram does not have the Ford "JAM"!!! Cummins blow their "Exhaust" gaskets on "Ike type" even shorter hills if on a daily basis!!!! "Perfect run" 10 minutes but none of the trucks can do it????

@@davemurphy2774 idk I find it really weird the the more powerful truck with 1075 lb ft of torque didn't get a way better time going uphill

@@davemurphy2774 guys they're keeping them at 60. And if anyone thinks in the altitude like this that the Ford diesel is tougher or more reliable than the Cummins, you clearly don't live there. Even Ford dealers cannot keep up with the repairs and breakdowns of their engines, and send them to other shops in hopes that the customer gets it back sooner. If you live in Colorado and drive a truck, especially a large weight pulling truck, just look around, it's ram everywhere!

Come get it right IT guys!!

Ok.

Imagine that... I mean this weather was LOVED by these turbo diesels. On a hot day, they'll easily lose power specially when on cold days the air is more condensed

@@autoexoticswestcoast all internal combustion engines will run less efficiently in the hot weather but diesel is always the most efficient option for moving heavy loads.

Hey hot shot you’re notna real trucker. I love my 6.7 power stroke but for my ranch shit. drivin hot shot doesn’t make you a trucker. -your real class A cdl with air brakes

​@@marlboroman2393😂 ya sure taught em

Big Injun stock cummins turn 4K rpm lots on tuned truck. 5k on the older ones. It’s fine

The only time I've ever redlined any of my Cummins is going down that hill. Max exhaust brake performance

@@bandabanderos saw one couple days ago at my cousins shop where cylinder 1 was blown to pieces.

Big Injun anything can happen, of course. But that’s not the norm

@@bandabanderos no, I know they are dependable.

Ace of Spades I like the fact you can see the motor inside the Ram. It’s not covered with hoses and wires.

@@itchytriggerfinger7622 I like that about the Ram as well....also I think the Cummins sounds better.....but hard to beat the power of the Powerstroke.

@mtrujillo1973 i got a 2019 powerstroke with 40000 miles on site right now thats already burnin a quart of oil a day....

@@andrewphelps7894 would never buy a ford nowadays. Stick to Cummins or duramax. Probably Cummins for the overall win

@@markparker4032 both sound good when u do some exhaust work if u know what I mean lol

100% agree! I'll take the extra 1 minute to get there safely

Dan Moro - and relaxed, not tense. Adds up with a lot of miles.

I don't know how the ford won with 5 brake applications lol downhill test to me are more crucial then going uphill quick not to mention every review I see between these 3 they say the Ram tows better so how did ford score those extra points 😂

Yeah I was a little confused by that as well. Besides the uphill time, what did the Ford win? Ram beat it in the downhill, squat and interior. I love my 2018 Ram 3500 DRW Longhorn! Im not going to upgrade until they change the cab over to the same as the Ram 1500's... I hear in 2021 or 2022.

Agree completely. Between going uphill fast and going down safely and securely, I'll be more concerned with the going down every time.

I've seen precummins and power stroke off's broken down on the Ike all the time.

not good for gm 😬

Tiny no you didn’t

Well said.

Cummins, hand down. I6 vs its V8 colleagues, less moving parts, tried-and-true 6.7 design. All of them will suffer with after treatment problems.

Excellent idea!

I agree, it would be down to the ram and gmc! Fords trans temps were significantly higher even in the cold weather!

@@paulrivas1024 the Ford is designed to run that warm. Owned every year ford from 15. They all run 190-210.

That engine is designed to run like that. It's how an exhaust brake works on a diesel engine. The red line might be at 3200 rpm but those engines can easily handle that, they just stop making power at that high of rpm. Also using exhaust brake is much safer than using your actual brakes. Using physical brakes shifts weight around or can create brake fade. The brake pedal while towing, especially with diesel is an in case of emergency device, you need them to be 100% when you need it.

Its perfectly fine running like that. Whats not fine and happens a lot easier is brake fade. I would gladly grenade an engine/trans than not being able to stop.

buddy at the factory when they test the engines before they go for sale they pretty much have them redlined for 24 hours straight ! to see if the engine is good enough quality to sell to customers

I might be bitter but I'd still rather kill the truck than myself if I had to choose.

The engine has an actual cooling system unlike the brakes man. All it does is turn the engine into a big compressor and create some more parasitic drag in order to slow everything down. This doesn't harm the engine or reduce it's lifespan at all. A good driver in a vehicle with exhaust brakes should be using them at the correct speed and getting 90% of his braking from the engine itself. Yes, pads are cheap to replace. But you flat out shouldnt need to use them.

They clearly said the other two trucks couldn't control the speed under cruise control so they had to manually take over. The ram did it on its own.

Good bay pal

obvious they are paid to be biased

@@harleyhawk7959 I don't think they are, TBH. But if they were biased it would be toward those powerjokes ;-)

It doesn't drag the brakes.

1 Has Been someone’s mad the Cummins was over a minute slower.

@@ng-dq6pd Nothing to be mad about. While it's a good test, most people arnt ever going to be towing on that kind of a grade for that long so its irrelevant. The fact that you WILL average more mpg with the cummins, its less prone to failure, and cheaper to maintain means I can easily deal with it being mildly slower on the gauntlet lol. Still the better truck / engine combo by far. Hot Shot community is run by Rams for the most part for a reason.

Nah ford's suck man. Buy a ford will pay the price lmao. Your ass will be stranded on the side of the road. Is the powerstroke an option in semis? No haha only cummins, they are real diesels

The exhaust break and gearing did the job, even though I am a Ford guy that was pretty impressive.

the GMC needed MANUAL break applications. the ram tech did its job

So the ram was applying trailer brakes also to slow it down???

@@kdougk6668 the exhaust break which creates extra torque also helped.

@Xxplicit so application of hydraulic pressure to the vehicles brake system by a computer is fine, I suppose there's no heat build up with that. Check.

💯 correct my 2022 F350 dually does a fantastic job.

Matt and they will fail .... all these new trucks Are loaded with with features that are going to need repairs in 4 -5 years

I had air suspension and sold the truck with over 200k miles and only had to replace couplers. The bags will last a very long time if you’re not abusing them. Even if it does go they are not difficult or expensive to replace.

Well, that would be true if it were an actual issue. But it's not. Air suspensions have been around for decades and they have proven to be very reliable. Especially these types on the back of the HD line. Seriously, look for any trends in air suspension issues. The closest you'll come are the full air suspensions on the 1500 series Rams and those are mainly issues with extreme cold weather and mainly from a few years back. The HD systems are rock solid.

@@rsg1963 See they world does have smart people. I like how you schooled them up there

Having owned many different vehicles over 40+ years, those vehicles are absolutely wonderful, until their components begin failing. All mechanical things have a service life. I think everyone gets the point.

Yes, I noticed that too. Oops!

That's no oops that's what they really want to say, u see more Broke down rams then any other names one guy i know got a brand new ram and it broke down about 63,000 miles and now they say it not under warranty anymore smdh

the warranty is 6 year or 60,000 miles of course they'll say its out of warranty, duh

@@hotshottingwithaChevyhd pd diesel power on youtube he has several high mileage cummins hot shot trucks recent couple videos on a truck at 500k miles and talks about the repairs they needeed along the way which was virtually none

@@hotshottingwithaChevyhd I live in colorado and drive up and down a pass everyday and by far the most trucks broken down are fords. I also work on all these trucks and multiple 2014-17 ram 3500's with the 6.7L cummins with 300k-450k miles on them and all they've had done is routine maintenance and like all solid front axle trucks tie rods and ball joints. All the fords unfortunately haven't lasted and one of our biggest clients is an insanely busy tow/repo company. they have about 15 3500's and 3 f350's, and they started out with the same amount.

I can speak for Andrei, THE FORD!!!! xD

Agreed. Just because you didn't hit the brakes doesn't mean the brakes were not hit. Stupid.

Other trucks had adaptive cruise control so supposedly they were supposed to stop on their on but didnt

Does the new towing systems actually apply the brakes? My Ram is a 2011 so old school now but all it does in Tow/Haul is change gears and it does have an automatic exhaust brake, which is awesome. But it does not apply the brakes. I don't tow anything near 30,000 lbs, maybe about 15,000, but damn that exhaust brake can practically stop the vehicle even on a steep slope. It sort of cuts out once there isn't enough engine revs but by then it is in first and not going very fast. That is one feature of the exhaust brake is that it is rpm dependent and works much better if the engine is reving high, so it is not consistent. But it sure does work. Almost too well. In my 2011, once you tap the brake it is on and it doesn't turn off until you tap the gas. I don't know what it would do in cruise control as I never hardly use it especially when towing. I just don't find cruise useful because everyone else isn't using it, or if they are they are going slow. Oh and I had an experience once where I hit some ice on a bridge in cruise and that was not pleasant. Thankfully I was able to steer out of it but I was probably 30 degrees to straight when I hit dry pavement again, which caused quite a jolt. So I never use cruise if there is water, snow or ice on the road anymore. All those vehicles you see in the ditch when it's snowing are usually all-wheel drives with traction control. Traction control sure gets you going, but it don't help a lot when you have to turn a corner.

love the exhaust brake in my personal 2011 as well. we have new trucks from all brands in my company fleet so i get to try all the new trucks too. the chevys exhaust brake might as well be fake. Literally does nothing. truck continues to speed up on any type of slope. Rams exhaust brake is by far the best. Don't even have to use my brake pedal til it slows itself down to 20mph.

Michael Oatman I don’t think it actually applies the brakes. It uses the engine for braking (exhaust braking).

@@tivowillieb That would make more sense to me, I don't think I would want cruise control hitting the brakes I can do that myself. I rented a car once with "lane assist" and I hated it. Also it fits better with the video because if the cruise control was using the brakes it should never have gotten up to 40 mph on the decent part of the run.

Yes I do believe it does apply the brakes. Check out the video at the 2:05 mark. He talks about it braking the truck and applying the trailer brakes as well as the brake lights. I'm no Dodge fan but that's pretty damn cool.

Nope I'm a true dodge guy, if the ford would of had the 6 speed too maybe the ram could of got close but 10 speeds and 75hp on the ram I knew it wouldnt win, but I figured it would best the chev. And that it did, that's all that matters to me ford and ram are both great.

James Penner Wouldn’t matter if the Ford had a 6-speed, the ‘20 6.7 Powerstroke just donkey stomps the Cummins 6.7, in all honesty. But I agree Ford and Ram are better than Chevy. Real trucks have solid front axles.

Don't forget. Chevy actually won the other test. Because Ford had cooling fan come on, in cold weather. 🤣 So ram wins it all...

FORD is the king of trucks!! Fiat dodge is junk.

@@claterpillar1 I want to see these trucks pull in 100 degree weather

Cummins is the most reliable commercially available engine you can buy simply because of quality control and the inline 6 setup is less prone to failure and is easier to work on then a v8. And Aisin is on par with Allison transmissions. Also lower gear ratios allow for bigger more durable gears with less chance of failure.

@mtrujillo1973 dont get me wrong i am a huge Ford fan but i am also a Cummins, Aisin, and Allison fan and i am simply weighing pros and cons.

@@fedoratheexplora7180 IGNORE mtrujillo, he is a moronic, raging childish FORD fanboy. Just scroll up and read his other comments and you will see he isn't worth responding to.

Finally?

That's a simple fix. It's called tap into the computer make a few changes and done.

GM make junk that wont make it past 100k owned new Silverados since 2012 . Bought 2 new Ram 1500s. Way better value for money and no problems so far. GM are grease balls.

@@gwood701 No Mexicans are grease ball. And you don't have any.

Yeah gm designers are a joke, the exterior and interior are the laughing stock of all 2020 trucks.

Why is gm the laughing stock of trucks they use to be the winner time to get new engineers

I'd give a very slight edge to Ram but otherwise I totally agree.

The Ford is definitely fast and they've tuned it extremely well. But the longevity of the Cummins and technology of the Ram is a slight edge to me. The Ram is 5-star tune away from being hot-rod.

Any Cummins will outlast any power stroke. Ford diesel engines are a pain in the ass on maintenance.

Except it was 72 seconds slower up the Ike. Picture this, your Ryan Newman, and it took 72 seconds for the safety vehicle to arrive. Not good

R AJ power jokes have been junk since the 6.0, all you ford folks were ran through the ringer all them years and your still there 🤭

001blackmax ... There isn’t any “mountains” in the east.

@@specforged5651 have you ever been to East Tennessee? Our "Mountains" may not be as large but they are steep as a cats ass and switchbacks for days.

@@001blackmax Steep as a cats ass? Damn that is steep!

Get on the dragon tail

Big D Productions - I like your comment. Honest and to the point. The biggest thing is you bought what you need, it does what you expected. At that point it really doesn’t matter what brand you bought, as long as it is reliable enough. I just had a 2019 Ram 1500 Classic and it was a problematic vehicle. I still like Ram, don’t get me wrong, but I sold it and bought a F150 Raptor. The F150s I have had since 2004 have been flawless (I’ve had a few Ranching). The Raptor fits my wants in this case. I had modified the Ram to suit my needs, but it didn’t perform off-road to my needs, that was my fault and not the trucks fault. If I had bought a Rebel, I probably would still have it. You were smarter than I was and you got the truck you needed and wanted the FIRST time!! Hahaha. Stay safe out there, Eh!

@@shitloveaduck those Raptors are bad A$$

Agreed, mine is Rambro!

keep sending your money to Italy

@@jcnun3930 actually spent my money in the USA. At a USA dealer, owned and operated by Americans, and the money ended up a bank here in the USA.

5 months later recalled for electrical fires 🤣

@@seanbutler2291 2022 Fords 10speeds are found to be garbage. 🤷🏻‍♂️. Ram all the way!!

@@seanbutler2291 2022 Fords 10speeds are found to be garbage. 🤷🏻‍♂️. Ram all the way!!

Did you miss the point where he said they also tried to use the cruise in the Ford and the Chevy and it couldn't hold it at 35? The ford had adaptive cruise, same as the ram, chevy doesnt have it.

@@tgh117 yeah we know but the point is the brakes were being used and heating up. So yes they're adaptive cruise works great but shouldn't have been included for that test. When brakes get too hot they fail. An exhaust brake has a 100% duty cycle I thought that was what they were testing more than brakes

They also showed that it down shifted and was using exhaust braking

@@connormonck372 Yeah, I don't know why the guys really didn't point this out and highlight it. I wouldn't buy the Ram because of this.

No offense everyone, but I was just hoping @TFLtruck would answer the question. I know what the other trucks have and don't have. It just seems to me that letting the adaptive cruise use the brakes isn't the same as "no brake applications". It may actually be worse. Just wanted clarification on that.

Miguel Perez The Dodge went up the Gauntlet almost a minute and a half slower than the Ford, thats not very similar performance.

@@john-martin but never had to brake down the hill, thats even more impirtant if you live in a mountain area

john martin better gas mileage and better downhill performance

@@john-martin Dodge got out of the trucks after 2010. Maybe get with the last decade and call it what it is... RAM

Although I agree most of us never pull 30K, but if they tested at 10-15k all 3 trucks would maintain 60mph with ease and it would only be a MPG comparison. My biggest complaint with these tests is the temperature, always in the winter, I want to see a 30k pull when it's 100F outside. With engine and trans temp data at several points along the way, including at the very end.

@@drdiesel1 This! See what they perform like during the hottest part of the year.

They did with the chevy 6.6 and Ford 7.3

KoolCordell those aren’t the same trucks

KoolCordell I’m not expecting it to struggle at all. I just want to see how they do. Especially if they still rank them the same with less weight

It's a small engine. 3k rpm is going to hurt it. I'd be concerned if was 13+ liters.

Same

@What Up No, It was the 1000 tq motor, trans dipstick is on the drivers side which means Aisin, which only comes with the H.O. engine, if it was a low output 68RFE, the dipstick would be on the passenger side.

@What Up Sergey clearly said they were using the up-tuned/AISIN package with 400hp and 1000lb/tq.

@@superjoe83 I have the low output 68RFE, and I feel like a dipstick.......😁

@@superjoe83 I was also surprised it only had some 5000 'payload' capacity. Mine (SRW) has 4300 and change. Then I saw it was the 4X4 dually. I believe the 2WD dually has the highest payload???

@@carolinagoldbug983 are you getting that number from the Ram website or the sticker on the drivers door jamb? My 18 3500 srw has a 3980 payload according to the sticker, but the ram website shows my vin has a 4200lb rating. Yes max payload is with a 2wd regular cab long bed dually gas motor

Adaptive cruise maintains a set distance between you and a car IN FRONT of you. From the RAM site and their video on use, "When slower traffic is detected, it will automatically adjust its speed all the way down to 0, with trailer attached." There is no mention that it will ALSO use the brakes in conjunction with the exhaust brake to MAINTAIN your set speed on a grade. Please state where that claim is made, because it does not appear from documentation that I found that it does.

Don Leamon From the Ram website: “Available Adaptive Cruise Control with Stop and Go detects vehicles ahead. If increased braking is needed in slower traffic, the available Forward Collision Warning with Advanced Brake Assist will automatically help adjust to a safe distance.” www.mideast.ramtrucks.com/en/2020/ram-1500/safety-security.html

The braking system is now tied into the cruise control so unlike traditional cruise control it will apply the brakes if it overruns a set speed.

Siff of Neden I would highly doubt they would let him film that.

Absolutely. Hitting the brakes is hitting the brakes.

@Xxplicit Well who's driving ypu or the truck?? If the truck applied the brakes 20 times then that counts 20 brake applications... Whether the driver did it or the truck did it the brakes were still applied..

Man, what do you do for a living to be able to afford a $93,000 truck? I'm genuinely curious because I work for the state and I only make $37,500 a year and there's no way that I could afford that truck.

@@TheVenom8343 you answered your own question, you need to make a lot more than 37k a year.

Tiverton I have the 2019 Laramie 3500 dually long bed. I was promised the same and have not heard anything for the last year. It was a huge selling point I NEED!

@@55afishead I totally agree.

@@pryme2013 Good point my man..

Yeah it ain’t fair to the Ford

Yes@ I would definately get the Ford!

Pike Man ram won’t aisen will...

The ford 10 speed is the same as GSM 10 speed it was as joint venture

Ford just did a simple update. GM redid the whole truck. It's simply takes too long on the engineering side to bring a new chassis and powertrain the market as quickly as this market moves and still be relevant when it launches. That why GM is the only one without adaptive cruise as an option for 2020. It wasn't ready in time.

Hi have a nice day that was on the half-ton and Mustang/Camaro transmission. The heavy duty transmissions are two separate entities.... otherwise the Torqshift transmission on the Ford would have been Allison branded just like the GM.

Silent but Deadly ram really needs to drop the aisin and move on. Hell if it was possible they should try to get a contract with Allison. Unlikely though ☹️

Good balanced comments! I agree they should measure the front wheel wells too to see a better picture of what's happening overall.

You missed his point though, they tried to use the cruise first on both other trucks and couldnt do it without running away. They all started the test the same way, just Ram was the only one that could actually complete it as intended.

tgh117 yeah I get it but it’s just a test of how smart the cruise control is. I’d rather have a test without cruise control to see how well the engine braking/transmission braking works. That would be a real comparison.

Adaptive cruise maintains a set distance between you and a car IN FRONT of you. From the RAM site and their video on use, "When slower traffic is detected, it will automatically adjust its speed all the way down to 0, with trailer attached." There is no mention that it will ALSO use the brakes in conjunction with the exhaust brake to MAINTAIN your set speed on a grade. Please state where that claim is made, because it does not appear from documentation that I found that it does.

Don Leamon it works just like a regular cruise control if there’s nobody in front of them. It maintains the speed. So smart cruise control will also use the brakes to keep the speed at the selected cruise control speed. It doesn’t have to be mentioned in the video because that’s how it works.

@@JonBecker81 The computer using the brakes without driver impulse is simply dangerous. You are not even supposed to use it in these conditions at all with any truck. Good luck too when the truck cooks your brakes whitout you knowing...

nolan83 I was thinking the same thing

You mean a long grade as in the one it just went down! Lol

@@07GTStallion found the Dodge fanboy

If only it had the most aggressive exhaust brake setup of the HD trucks so it didn't have to rely on the service brakes as much as the other two. Oh, wait...

It doesn't use the brakes. It uses engine breaking, look it up and read about,

Should have said "climbing hills fast"

All that truck needs is about 1500-2000$ in suspension upgrades and it’s the perfect rig. Which isn’t much if the truck is making you money. In my opinion ram is changing the game right now. No duramax owner will buy a power stroke and no power stoke owner will buy a duramax... but let me tell you.. both will consider buying a Cummins.

@@johnstamos3198 So you speak for all power stroke / duramax owners???

@@johnstamos3198Coming from a Ford guy I would take any of the diesels but NEVER a hemi period. The only reason a Cummins because it's not made by Ram. lol

Wei You I owned a hemi for 300thousand miles. Not one major fix on that thing. What’s wrong with a hemi? Lol...

@@johnstamos3198 hahahaha couldnt be more wrong lmfao. Keep opinions to yourself and dont act like theyre facts.

Tyrrell Roach - you have a point here!! I’m saying that, with Ram not being my favourite, but longevity is often a point. In my area you see a lot of these older luxury trucks with some huge mileage! I should pay more attention as to how much maintenance they required to get there. Thanks!

That new Ford 10 speed produces some traditionally unhealthy temps from various videos while towing that I've seen. Time will tell, but all that shifting produces heat, and again, that historically has not be a good thing over time. I'd still hedge my bet at this point with the Aisin/Cummins combo.

Until the Fiat electrical gremlins rear their ugly heads.

@R AJ Robot? Come on, really? Anyway, the brake application on the downhill is not misleading. They are testing if the truck can hold speed without driver intervention (and it did). How is it misleading?

@@brent4adv I'm thinking maybe they should just change the scoring of the downhill test and not say "zero brake applications" since some of these trucks are applying the brakes on their own. They could just subtract a point each time the truck goes 5 mph over their target speed.

@@mtevilone Good thing its a Ram and not a fiat.

R AJ Fiat/Peugeot?. The have noting I commend. Ford use Peugeot engine. 3.0 power stroke

Not in my book!

Redline won't hurt a thing on the down hill, the motor is not under a load.

the programming allows for that because it's the right thing do to.

2500 RPM FOR A CUMMINS IS NOTHING I HAD A 2003 24 V WITH A TUNE AND IF I REMEMBER RIGHT MAXIMUM REV WOULD BE MORE THAN 3500 Rpm

Jim Twigg that is incorrect, downhill the engine is under load, even in an automatic where a lower gear has been selected and the load being hauled is pushing it down the hill and the engine brake/exhaust brake is applied, the engine is applying its “engine brake horsepower” to slow the vehicle down. In addition, an engine is rated for a maximum RPM because engineers have spent countless hours of testing to determine the rpm in which the valve train can no longer rotate and valves open and close without getting ahead of themselves causing catastrophic engine failure, and that is with or without said load.

V10PDTDI I witnessed 3,200 on the tach, which was in the red zone, call me cautious, but the old saying is “keep the tach in the black baby”

Thanks