The confusion came from Mac saying "he just dropped a song" when it was over 2 months ago. Stevie just went to the one Tom "just dropped" it's a reasonable assumption if he hadn't reacted to it yet
@@googlegoogle-qi8wc Mac lied about going on tour with D12 and Em watching the video. He did 1 show with Swifty in Australia. Not a tour, and only one member. Kaniva came out and said it was a lie. So both said some false stuff
The Mac lethal “diss” was in the song God Mode. Also, I very seriously doubt Tom is going to respond. He’s been saying for years at this point that he’s not going to respond to diss tracks about him. He responds in his own way like God Mode, Riot, Don’t Look Down and others. He never name drops either. I hope he continues to do it his way. All of y’all waiting for Tom to respond, I suspect will be disappointed.
@@BettyWhite2171 I don’t know what Tom expected when he put that line in his song. Regardless, Mac did indeed respond. I still doubt Tom will respond back. If he does it will be in a song like I listed above. Considering he just released God Mode around 2 months ago, we probably won’t get a song like that for a while.
And it overall sucked😅 not knowing all the substance behind his claims of Nova being a battle groupie whore makes even worse lol...... he should take another 5 years to write a better one hopefully, or just stick to battling, that he is good at or making viral free style videos
and he didn't even diss him. He basically apologized. He said he wont be dissing anyone else because the last time he did it ruined that person's career and caused him to get divorced, he said he carries the weight of that on his shoulders like a corpse. Meaning he regrets ruining his career. That's basically an apology. How mac weasel took that as a diss is just plain stupid.
@@timmorin69 maybe because his career didn't end, he been touring and doing well in tours and he is not divorced lol, easy google search verifies that, he married with two children. So Tom lied, been using Mac as an excuse not to respond to other artists for years, maybe Mac had enough of the BS. Wasn't an apology lol when you lie, and sneak diss someone after five years when the beef was settled, you going to get a response. Stop capping:) Welcome to hip hop. That's like some in the Tom fanbase saying oh but he did not have to go after Nova, yet they were all good when Tom called Mac's wife a wh*ore and other terms, as well as going at Mac's parents previously. Given Tom has said Nova helps him with his lyrics and Tom been personal about Mac's family more than once, well, this is what you get in response.
@@lisamora8141 Tom did not lie Mac and his wife were going to get a divorce but they decided to go to therapy and work things out but the dis is how his wife found out about mac being caught with his best friends girlfriend and the part about him saying he ended his career is because he had to shout down all his socials for like 2 mounts and he had stopped putting stuff on you tube because he could not handle the comments he turned all of them off that is what Tom was talking about until mac made his dis to Tom no one has even said mac name sense 2019 when it all happened mac is just using Tom again just like he tried to in 2019 other then that there was no BS. for mac to get tired of it is mac using Tom for an excuse to get clout from again
It sounded like he was doing a diss on Nova rather than Tom... I find that pitiful. Mac keeps his wife a secret. But back during the back and forth diss with Mac and Tom, Mac again went after Nova. Tom mentioned in his final diss track, that Mac was caught with his pants down with another woman, his wife was pissed. Supposedly it caused a divorce. I don't know if the hidden wife is the old one or a new one. 5 years to write a diss? Had to rewrite it 3 times? Wonder if Church helped him? Stupid IMO
You okay with Tom calling Mac's wife a wh*re among other things and mentioning Mac's parents and kids in those disses you refer to. Why are Tom stans so hypocritical. Mac still married to the same woman as he was when Tom made his diss. They have children. Try Google lol. Quite frankly given how septic the Tom fans have been for five years towards Mac, I'd be protecting my partner's identity too, there some absolute extreme weirdos going by the comments Tom stans have been spamming every artists page with that says anything about Tom. Not sure why protecting your family is a problem to you. I do think you might need numeracy lessons; God Mode was not five years ago lol. By the way it is Upchurch not Church, and he one of quite a few that have spoken about Tom, so lame comment about who wrote the diss. You do know Mac got into the Scribble Jam finals three times right?
Tom wont respond to mac he is way above him. Plus hes already said he aint doing no more beef with noone. Only reason mac responded to godmode is because he knows hes safe because tom wont stoop low and reply again
do you mean "mac" tom, because he dug it up again and spread lies, although I find it funny that even people in his circle asked him if he was suddenly divorced, which isn't true at all xd
It was Hangovergang who put the nail in the coffin for Tom. We trolled Dave off of social media. Tom said he felt terrible about that. It was less a diss and more an explanation of why he won't battle anymore. He won't respond. He's made it perfectly clear many times.
Tom out right lied about mac lethal for no reason at all.. He isn't divorced; and he was literally touring australia when toms song came out.... It's fine that you love tom macdonald so much; but it's OK to admit what actually happened. Tom uses lies to build his image.
@@lawrenceshdow Are you sure Dave didn't get a divorce? He didn't deny it and he keeps his personal life off the radar. HOG did ruin him back when the battle happened. Like I said, Tom felt bad about the chain reaction he caused. He was telling the truth about why he doesn't battle anymore. Tom said what he said. He'll have to deal with what comes with it. They may have communicated personally by now. Why do people take so much pleasure in ripping into celebrities in comments? These are real people and the business can be ruthless. Most of it fans will never know about.
@@beckyleavitt7808 hog fam is a bunch of degenerates that had to try and fight toms battle cause he got bodied by one song and he dropped two songs and they both fell short. So I'm glad yall took pride in trolling someone off the internet when yall boy in actuality took the L. Just face it Tom may music that may get more clicks and views but he fell short as a battle rapper and yall tried to glaze it over by basiccly being extra loud on the internet. TOM LOST TWICE HOG FAM
He never dissed Mac Lethal, honestly. He referenced him in a song 2 months ago, and Mac used it to remind people he still exists when the world has been trying to tell him to go away
@@andrewrogers7434 That "lethal" responded to and got annihilated and then disappeared for FIVE YEARS. This was nothing but an AI / Ghost Writer mashup trying to make Mac relevant again.
Numbers say cardi b is a better rapper than Tom...lol sit down with those numbers, bet you follow pole numbers an entire election race too like... we winning
My poor guy had to sit through a Tom McDonald song that wasn’t even the right song he wanted to react too! I’m so sorry you had to sit through this trash for nothing! 😂
I appreciate that you didn't spent 20 minutes stopping the song just to talk about nothing of relevance. Straight to the point and not overly opinionated is my jam. Be safe out there.
I dont think Tom is gonna respond because more than 95% of Mac's disses were either difected at Nova, buzzwords, and straight up lies. Buuuuut if Nova wants to shoot back because of how much he mentioned her...
@@Vectoriousis Nazi, racist, homophobe. All typical buzzwords used to gain leftist support. Also shows he doesnt listen to Tom's music cause he preaches unity.
This is proof that Tom Macdonald fans are not apart of rap culture , what kind of pussy complains about “buzzwords” and “lies” , that’s literally the entire point of diss tracks is to make the other person look as bad as possible
Men are generally more dramatic. They mask it as anger as if that's their only acceptable emotion. But they are generally more dramatic than women, especially this new excessively whiny generation
@@TawaunWilliamsit's too. But hip hop isn't about diss tracks. I'm 52 years old dude, you can't fool me. Diss is a way dudes get their name back out there. Often collaborative. I do listen to all music. Don't care about color
@@ekwraith1980 delusional thinking. keep thinking like that. def wouldn't turn off the comments and delete the video. He deleted it cause he was still getting ratioed from reaction channels still. even the numbers proved that. Nice try though.
@Surgeforce the only delusional thinking is that you think you know because of internet and assuming why someone takes something down, education comes from experience and letting others take the stage I never said none of which you think is true just the reason for it! Like this argument your trying to have, I wasn't gonna explain it to ya but we will just leave it here!
Tom’s not that good but he’s relevant, he speaks about things that need to be said. You want hood music yea bump your mumble rap and jibberish with auto tune and gun talk you’ll be right at home 🖕🏻
He wrote it after God mode. Who do you think wrote it? Mac was winning battle rap freestyle (dome freestyles) titles while Tom was still dreaming up ways to come famous from being a wrestler, to an actor to music and changed his views, character, etc dozens of times until he found something that clicked. He is a phony paper chaser. He doesn't even believe in the shit he raps but it gets a bag. You must be the type who thinks WWE is real.
Joiner was speaking specifically on race for real. The only political theme was the Trump part. This was Republican vs Democrat purely. Points out all bullet points over the last 4 years.
@@jediinc6703 views dont equal likes you bozo. Look at the view to like ratio on all toms recents and you see how hard he fell off.. lmfao. Tom will rap battle himself in a red vs blue shirt and call it creative 🤣. Nova writes all his shit which makes it worse. Tom is absolute poo
The “sneak diss” that Mac is trying to say is the reason he came back with this was “God mode” not Me Vs. You. If you remember, Tom was explaining why he won’t do diss tracks anymore and said “that wasn’t fair Homie got torched. I feel the weight like I’m carrying round of corpse“ so Mac took that as a sneak diss that’s not what it was at all.
Lying about someone in your song and saying they got a divorce and lost their career... Mac didn't say it was a sneak diss.. He said why the hell are you talking about me; and worse; why make shit up about another man? Mac was very justified to respond.
Didn’t sound that way to me. No Tom won’t answer he’s used Mac for so long , that’s his excuse for not doing a diss. Might find out Tom really lays eggs. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Mac Lethal is just like the left, full of hate, lies, disrespect and a over abundant amount of ignorance. Stevie you waiting for a diss from Tom firing back? In God Mode he said he ain't doing it no more. And I'll respect him more if he doesn't.
You do understand that This is less of a song, according to Tom, and more of a artist commentary on the social /political state of things right now. Its not to meant to be a head bopper.
@@ihax4uv179 And honestly, if that was all Mac is mad about enough to come out of hiding after 5 years and diss someone, he clearly did it for clout. But hey, gotta appreciate the grind though, right? LMAO
Man, do y’all ever do research at all? It’s getting tired to have RU-vidrs who think they want to be the voice of reason when they don’t even give a thought to doing some research to ensure what they have is correct.
No lol Swifty from D12 is who toured with mac. Not kuniva. Kuniva was confused on the whole thing. Swifty from D12 commented on macs diss on IG and said “brutal” he clearly co signed his words in the diss about D12. Shady recs in even posted about the tour with swifty and mac.
She fired off he mouth in the interview. Plus she co writes Tom’s shiz. His career never took off until he jumped into bed with her and her label contacts.
@@deviouskris3012 IDGAF... I am a Father and maybe i am getting old but if you have a problem with a man you dont go attack his wife.. Normalizing that schitt is part of this countries problems. When u see random chicks in NYC getting punched in the face for walking down the street do you cheer for that scumbag?
Tom Macdonald made 2 other mac lethal disses 5 years ago. "Mac lethal sucks" and "Lethal injection" and they are both AMAZING for an up and comer like he was.
You thought Mac's diss was good? I have never listened to battle rap so I don't know if the flow is suppose to be that bad or not. Maybe that's just the standard style but to my ears, it's pretty trash. And half those punches were just lies. Bars hit harder when they are true criticisms but so much of Mac's hits were just provably false. Weak sauce (again to my ears).
I’m a Tom Macdonald fan but I wish he would rap about different topics sometimes. Always about politics or about what’s trending right now with the same type of hook. I ain’t here to complain but would be nice to see more of what he can do cause he can for sure
Nah fam, he trying to do a Joyner story, but its just not the same, also agree that tom has a static sound, and very much a trigger catchy political stance
Even in the diss "Tom is A Nazi," Mac said you made an 8 minute song about your personal life, why the fk did you mention mine... Me Vs You is clearly not an 8 minute song 😂 Much Love SK🎉
"lethal" responded to the last back and forth, got annihilated, and then disappeared for FIVE YEARS. This was nothing but an AI / Ghost Writer mashup trying to make Mac relevant again.
Clearly Tom does because he been using Mac for five years now not to answer other disses, Tom keeps mentioning Mac and lying about his personal life. Then you Tom stans triggered and crying because Mac responds. You really don't get hip hop do you, just like Mac's lyrics lol
@lisamora8141 well to be fair...to the Victor goes the spoils. Tom killed mac 5yrs ago. Mac does something every few years to get some attention. He should be glad tom mentioned him so he can come back out of obscurity. They are very different people mac seems like a liberal so naturally he's gonna be in his feelings. Lets not forget lethal started this 5yrs ago....now since he can't repeat his last lame diss he goes to "Tom's a nazi" lol text book. It's the go to when feelings get hurt. Racist nazi homophobe...its unoriginal and boring.
@@garym51124 you do know we had a pandemic, right? As soon as that was over Mac been touring unlike Tom. I love how people talk out their butt but can't be bothered doing simple research lol. Tom being lying and using Mac as an excuse not to respond to others, so you sneak diss someone after a beef settled, you get a response. That is how it goes. Mac been doing really well on his tours lol, again easily researched. You say Tom killed Mac lol, so on one hand you criticizing Mac's lyrics, did you hear what Tom was saying in his diss and his lyrics lol? So hypocritical. Not everyone's career is You Tube lol, most rappers actually out there rapping.
@lisamora8141 I'm aware of the "pandemic" no I'm not aware of what either said. I don't care honestly. Tom lied mac lied...dont care. It's rap. Both guys are pushing a narrative to get and keep fans. For all we know they orchestrated this to get attention for both. Lol and I couldn't care less
Destroyed what bwahahahahaha he barely scratched him Mac packeded him up in a casket with just the first song this second go round he dug him up repackaged him and buried him deeper. Yall hog fam need to stop trying to glaze it over. He just cant mess with Mac from a battle stand point. Imagine what mac would do to him on a battle rap stage. yall need to chill bruh. its delusion.
@@MonkeyDJames, sure it was. Tom got schooled, and y'all hog fam can't stand it. So what do y'all do, downplay it and try to bury it? But real hip-hop heads know what's up.
@Raymond02ish bro the song doesn't even go together. It sound like he was trying to trash someone than make music behind it. It doesn't flow it's like he just talking shit no beat what so ever. It's literally something you can listen once and be like ok. A dis track should be something you can listen to multiple times and jam to it. None of that is in this song. Plus I been listening to hip hop for more than 15 years.
In God Mode he said "the last man I trampled lost his career and then got a divorce, homie got torched. I feel the weight like I'm carrying around a torch". Mac Lethal took that to mean him. And it probably did.
@mikecurrie1773, thank you. I was trying to remember exactly what Tom said, but I didn’t take it as a diss, I took it as Tom saying “I won’t do disses no more.” How the hell Mac Lethal thinks this is a diss is insane. He’s clout chasing. The shxt he said about Nova though?? Uh huh! No FKG way I see any man worth his salt let someone talk all that gutter trash about his woman, again and not fire off a diss that throws Mac back into retirement. I like Tom, but if he ignores this filthy diss, I will lose some respect for the man. Tom can RAP RAP! I wish he would step into the arena because this is part of RAP/Hip Hop.
You hit it on the head. I fuck with Tom frfr like I’ll bump his shit in the car, but I didn’t even listen to this whole song. Yea I put it in the playlist but it wasn’t like I was wondering what he was gonna say. And it was on god mode that he “dissed” Mac. Wasn’t really a diss tho all he said was he wasn’t gonna battle anymore cause the last guy he did …. The “last guy” was Mac
Toms not gonna respond. He’s not gonna give Mac the platform. I mean it took a full 24 hours for Mac’s video to reach 100,000 views!.He’s just not even close to Toms level so Toms not gonna waste his time and energy on it. I mean, he didn’t come after Upchurch and Upchurch is way bigger than Mac has been in decades. In my opinion, a lot of this was fighting words. But Toms bigger than that. He’s not getting wrapped up in a scandal. He knows everything said about Nova was absolutely garbage and not true so he don’t have anything to prove to society because he already knows it’s all lies. It’s a very very childish attempt to try and share Tom’s spotlight. Tom knows Mac wants a scandal between himself and Tom and Tom is not dumb enough to play along. He’s not going to ruin his life and destroy the empire he has built for Mac or anyone for that matter. He’s working on new stuff and moving on with his life. Tom has absolutely never paid anyone to be an actor without that person already being someone that supports Tom. The guys in the video “if I was black” were his neighbors and also members of the original Black Panthers!! Of course he paid them for their time and energy, but he also made them famous!
The line Mac was talking about was in god mode and it wasn’t really a diss and he didn’t say names he mentioned what happened in his last battle and why he doesn’t do them anymore and Mac got in his feelers
He used to be good but now he’s just gen bag, shock value songs that have 100 topics crammed into one song. The death threats album is a classic and completely different from what he sounds like now.
Tom isn’t going to respond to him directly, he doesn’t care what people say about him which is perfectly fine. After awhile he will drop another track in response to hate from everyone without name dropping and cook everyone lol
@SamoaVsEverybody814The only thing Mac done was had a few punch lines about Tom. Then when on a four letter cuss rant about Nova. Hate Tom does not matter but Mac diss was not great okay yes but that's about it.
@@remember_Pat_Tillman Problem is, Lethal's diss ISN'T a response to THAT! It's a response to the shot that T-Mac took at him on "God Mode"!!! Why is this so hard for people to understand!? #IsEveryoneOkay? 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂
