@@fZ2jKy6 Had to look this up because that's a serious allegation to make regarding Ms. Hayek. From all the stories I read, Salma states that he made repeated sexual advances and overtures to her during the making of Frida, which she refused each time. Nothing I found regarding their interactions during the filming of Dogma. So there was no sexual contact between the two, at any time, ever. Now I'm certainly not defending that complete creep, but please make sure you're stating facts when making an accusation. Perhaps you're thinking of another accuser?
I don't think we have authority to speak for God. Maybe he's tired or playing golf. got no time to bless everyone for every little sneeze. I'm an atheist though, so I don't care and just "good health".
@@Itosalix did you know that “bless you” started from the belief that sneezing was your soul trying to escape your body and someone saying bless you caused it to go back in. No idea why we keep saying it based on the origin. Seems really strange to me. I say gesundheit sometimes but that’s about it.
No kidding, just watched John Oliver's Boening report, two planes crashed, hundreds of lives lost, and the company is barely a should shrug; at what level do you sell your own sense of humanity in the pursuit of wealth?
@@yatsu2meWas it the pursuit of wealth that caused the Boeing issue? Or was it the pursuit of something else? Edit: Not sure how this comment ended up here. Deleting shortly...
The irony is that Mooby is clearly a stand in for Disney, which owned Miramax at the time this movie was made.
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Except Miramax dropped this film due to its religious tones, leading Kevin Smith to take it to Lionsgate, which was an unknown indie studio at the time. Miramax still owns its copyright.
"Do any of you know what makes a human being decent? Fear. And here inlies the problem. None of you have anything to fear. You sit in your seats of inscrutable power, lives shrouded in secrecy, even from each other...but not from God." The way Matt Damon delivers that is POWERFUL.
Fear isn't what makes a human being decent. I am a decent human being. I do not fear any deity or god. I would never worship a god that WANTED to be worshipped. How petty and egotistical. No thanks. Point is - it doesn't take a god to make a human being decent.
@@ryanparker4996 It isn't about fear. It's about empathy. I don't want any others to suffer. That's why I don't commit evil. Not because of a deity or fear of going to hell. Because I have empathy. That's why.
About that: in all semi-seriousness, it was inappropriate for Loki to pull a gun on her, but she was *working for* a company that did all these things. She probably didn't know every dirty detail, but when you work for people that sleazy for several years, you begin to pick up on some of it. Still she stayed. But then again: she may have had very little choice in the matter. So it's #complicated.
Rewatching that scene makes it hilarious. At first I thought he paused in order to remember his train of thoughts, but the real reason truly shows how childish Loki is.
Bartelby goes full crazy at the end but if you spend millennia exiled from home surrounded by endless hostility AND you have to endure Wisconsin? You will also go mad.
Even as a much younger person, when he made the comment about having sex with AN. ELEVEN.YEAR. OLD. BOY! I got sick to my stomach the first time... That statement alone completely made my beliefs in that the CEO and others of any company wanted to do good as well as what was best for the company died a painful death... Not to mention making me completely giddy while listening to their "justice"...
The villain is God. She created everything and knew everything that would happen. And then punished her creations for doing what she created them to do. Horrific figure.
4:12 I always loved the implication that there was no research involved for this moment. They can read a persons sins just by looking at them and when Bartleby didn’t immediately see a sin to talk about he had to do a double take to make sure and was even surprised by it.
Sorry if I'm pointing out the obvious, but I love how Bartleby first recites the sins for which they were to be punished, and the Loki executes the punishment, since in an earlier scene the movie had established that that was what their roles had been in ancient times as well when they were inflicting divine retribution on Egypt and before that on Sodom.
That was actually the reason they did it, they planned to resume the jobs they quit and then go through the arches to be forgiven for quitting and the murders they committed and be readmitted into heaven, then Jay had to get horny and tried to get laid completely fucking up their plan (yes Jay's ridiculous scenario to have sex with that chick actually saved existence)
I'm still confused as to why disowning the son is worthy of being killed. Doesn't matter the reason he disowned him, it's not even close to death worthy.
This scene shows why the fake morality of christianity doesn't work at all in practice. That guy was supposed to have abandoned his son 'cos he was gay, but christians hate gays and the bible calls gays an abomination, so this christian god would have rewarded the guy for abandoning his son.
@@choosetolivefree nope, im right. you dont want to believe, up to you, you will find out when you stand before him, lucky for you, he is merciful, and you have time, he is real, ive have experienced his miracles, and prophecies in the bible have come to pass, im not going to sit here and debate you about it, you can accept or reject it, its not on me to convince you, ive planted the seed and that is all im suppose to do, its up to you to be fertile ground or not, have a nice day. this will be the end of the conversation.
This is one of my favorite scenes ever--it so blatantly exposes (and executes) the corporate lineup for literally ANY business. They exploit their workers and think they can do the same in their personal lives. Says a lot about corporations, about shitty people, about Hollywood itself. It's so self-aware, it's beautiful.
Reminds me of the movie Hot Fuzz, all the hundreds of DVD's in the movie night scene where from their personal collection. Unfortunately they found out later someone had stolen some from the movie set. Shame. Shame.
I've probably seen this movie dozens of times, and I'm only now realizing that Bartleby forgets to mention Mooby Magazine in his opening, and then during the purge he's reading an issue in the lounge.
I think it's kind of funny that he thinks them believing in the Voodoo doll is ridiculous when for like 5 minutes they've been displaying a supernatural knowledge of their misdeeds I mean why wouldn't they believe it might work at that point.
"But you didn't say God bless you when I sneezed!" That made me laugh! I used to have this movie in my collection but alas, I had to sell it to make a move back in 2009. My collection that is. Not just this one movie. I mean how could you move just by selling one movie. That'd be silly!
@@miaouew Probably something involving with his father renting him out to the sextraficing and the black market for millions of dollars then giving all of the money towards his wife for a boob job and spoliing his abusive sisters that torture him since he was little what is left of the money went to a new entertainment center for his office.
Not only did she learn she’s in the clear and bound for Heaven, but she just became CEO, President, Vice President, AND majority shareholder of one of the biggest entertainment companies in the world. All in all, a pretty good day.
@@endersdragon34 So she sells the company, retires, and uses a large chunk of her newfound wealth for charities and other good causes, all while still living comfortably.
True. But, I'm betting/hopping that she sold all of her interests and shares to open and run a homeless shelter, where, although she was never rich, she was loved by many and died very happy many years later. 🙏🌟⛪️✝️
@@jacobmetz3267 It'd actually be in her best interest to divest of the shares as well. The company's toast, as investors won't have any confidence in a company that was quite literally decapitated by a dude with a gun who only left one person alive. Bonus points: Because of Bartleby she now knows a whole bunch of people who were personally screwed over by the other members of the board (one mother, two sons, an 11 year old boy in SEA, and a whole bunch of people who bought unsafe versions of their products) and can donate whatever she inherits from them to those people. And then join a convent in the middle of nowhere and live in constant fear of Loki returning to cap her.
Businesses are not a hereditary monarchy. The board if there is any would elect new positions and if there isn't a new board to do that would be established. She doesn't get the position by default and being a pure soul I doubt she has the rep or traits to walk into the job.
Anyone else realize the cow statue alludes to the story of Moses. He leads the Israelites out of Egypt looking for the holy land. On the way he stops to climb a mountain to speak to god and is away for something like 30 days. By the time he returns they had begun to worship a golden bull as a false idol, and Moses breaks the tablets with the 10 commandments on them out of anger
Fun Fact: this was supposed to be an overly done, John Woo-esque action scene with Matt Damon gunning down the board, this is the reason they’re all burly looking stunt men. At the last minute, Kevin Smith was doubtful that he’d be able to pull it off, so he scrapped it.
Who cares about streaming crapola? You DOWNLOAD it. You don't stream it. That way, nobody can press a button and take it away from you. Yeah! Man, I do not get this generation at all. They don't want to even own anything.
@@nirv The thing is, I get your generation. Your about 20 years in the past. Who the fuck downloads anything this day in age? If your too cheap to sub to a streaming service, thats on you.
Strangely I was reminded of this scene and had to come back to watch after trumps gold statue was presented at CPAC.... can you imagine if all of their sins were revealed!!!
The Learner I believe this was released by Lionsgate w/ video distribution by Sony Pictures but the rights being held up in limbo by the Weinstein’s (hence why there’s no streaming service available).
Does anyone notice the irony of this scene (in a post 2008 world). Mooby corporation is a stand in for Disney, and the members of the Disney corporation are killed by a character named Loki... a character named Loki is today owned by the Disney corporation.
Percilla Salas nah, it is an alagorey about greed (love of money) where in the corporate class does all manner of evil hidden by red tape and plausible deniability affording them the freedom to do all manner of actual harm expecting no day of reconning. As an agnostic, I almost want pure unadulterated evil to exist so there is a day of reconning for true assholes...ya know, like the creators of the ice capades.
Anyone notice something interesting about this scene? Right next to the board meeting is possibly the St Thomas Church? (or some large gothic Episcopal or Catholic church), love the subtle juxtaposition of the sinful directly next to a house of God
"Because it's a pointless superstition when people believed that they expelled their soul from their body when they sneezed and it was said to keep demons out? Like, HUNDREDS of years ago?"
I'm happy that I found this scene after many years. I vaguely remembered a shootout scene in a boardroom and this is it! I've been on a Kevin Smith kick and wanting to check his films out. So it was funny to run into it here. Dogma I don't remember much of as that was such a long time ago; I was about 9 or 10. I'm gonna have to give the film a watch.
The word "massacre" doesn't fit for the title of this scene, it means the needless killing of a mass amount of people, I feel like there was a lot of reason here for this killing lol
Have there been any mass killings that don't count as massacres, unless they have been judged by a court? None come to mind. A massacre is a massacre rather than just a mass execution when there is no proper right to a fair trial, which these two didn't give them. Yeah, i understand, angels and they know their guilt etc, but the point still stands, it's your peers, not the divine that dole out punishment
I love this scene. I can almost imagine it playing out in Congress when both houses meet to hear the President. I would not expect any of them to be deemed innocent, and owing to time constraints they would have to just summarize the sins (The people in this supposedly august body have broken the commandments no less than 3,847 times among them …. ) and then start the purification.
