DOGSHIP: Why Have We Forgotten The Most Common Interceptor Of The Cold War?

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The most numerous all-weather interceptor of the Cold War is not the Deuce. It isn't the Voodoo, Flagon, Fishpot, Foxbat or Scorpion. It most certainly isn't the Ultimate Interceptor. No, the anchor of North American Air Defence in the 1950s was the F-86D Sabre Dog.
2500 Dogships were built in the early 1950s. It was a lightning fast, rocket armed single seat fighter that set speed records and sold a lot of Plymouths in its day. A quarter of all F-86 Sabres were actually Dogs. It was the second most numerous variant of that famous fighter and yet today it is generally just a footnote in the story.
In this video I take a long look at the Sabre Dog, try to uncover at least some of its mysteries and tell the tragic story of its only kill.
I hope you enjoy this episode. It is probably the most requested subject on the channel to date and I've tried to do it justice. Any comments and further information about the Sabre Dog would be much appreciated. I've been surprised by how little is out there.
Notes:
First big point is that I've deliberately confined this video to the 'D' and 'L' models of Sabre in US service. I'll cover cannon-armed Sabres in another video at some point
Sources:
There's good content on the Sabre Dog in this old website. It replicates some of the content in Wings Of Fame, Volume 10, which is worth picking up if you get the chance. www.joebaugher...
Amazing detail on the fire control system can be found here: www.nop-betty.d...
Information on the weight and size of the radar and fire control system in this forum discussion: www.secretproj...
Interesting photos and content: www.militaryfa...
Fabulous footage of F-86D - watch this! • LT. Wilkes (1950s) Per...
Source for the B-17 story: eu.nwfdailynew...
Also in this Wikipedia article: en.m.wikipedia...

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@Bbutler787 Год назад

Nice video. Thanks. My dad flew p-47’s in WWII then F-86’s in Korea. After Korea, the units were transitioned to the F-86D and sent to Japan. I grew up in Chitose AFB watching the Dogs fly almost every day. My dad didn’t talk much about the aircraft except to say that most aircraft he had flown in his career had a complete multi-step checklist for engine fires. The F-86D engine fire check list simply said “eject, eject, eject”.

@vincentlefebvre9255 Год назад

The simpler the better !

@marshallbuss5283 11 месяцев назад

My grandpa had 2 accidents in the f-86d. One mid air collision, and one engine failure

@Mr.Scootini 7 месяцев назад

Do you speak Japanese? I’m asking bc I do. 😂 こんにちわ、初めまして。　lol.

@Bbutler787 7 месяцев назад

Sorry but I am no longer able to speak Japanese. A few phrases occasionally pop up but for the most part, no.

@sithlord2225 Год назад

I'm from Venezuela, and here in the late 50s or early 60s we got a full fleet of like 50+ F-86K Sabre dogs, ex-Lufftwaffe aircraft, and they were one of the very first radar capable machines in the country, but the fleet was so bad that there were many accidents and mishaps, and so many remained after they were replaced by the F-5 in the early 70s, that they're all around the country as static monuments, rumor has it that somewhere at Libertador Air Base, the country's main AB, there are some storaged in crates that were never built and are hidden and waiting to be assembled some day

@DaveSCameron Месяц назад

I’m from England and even a decade later we were barely able to construct a car that would run for more than a month without showing problems and after a year it was possible to see the road between your feet due to such awful rust corrosion 😂😂😂, if even half of the nonsense written about every forthcoming car, plane, ship or bike we’d be happy 😂😂😂, best wishes my friend.🇬🇧📚👏

@briankay4713 Год назад

"Watch for chutes, you got the wrong plane " genuinely caused me to intake breathe sharply 😢

@KennethMcDonald-i7o 7 месяцев назад

Same here my jaw dropped like wait what?

@aaronthompson192 3 месяца назад

Dick move that he didn't finish that story. Edit - he finishes it. I was unaware of his story telling prowess.

@wilsonle61 Год назад

My Father worked on the Dogs in Japan in the mid-1950s). Lots of great stories! He was an aviation Fire Control Technician in the USAF. I joined the Navy in 79 as a Surface Ship Fire Control Technician, and my son served in the USN as a Submarine Fire Control Technician. In three generations we covered the Air, Surface, and Sub-surface Fire Control Mission! I retired from the Army National Guard as a Major in the Field Artillery so you could say we had Air Land and Sea covered!

@bbrut3332 Год назад

Thank you and all your family for their service to our country.

@johnrussell5270 Год назад

@DataWaveTaGo 9 месяцев назад

*Top Notch Service and Work! Thank You!!!*

@garylawson5381 10 месяцев назад

My mother's first husband (my older sisters Dad), flew and lost his life in the F86 Saber D. His name and rank was 1st Lt Alan R. Kauffman. He was with the 357th Interceptor Fighter Squadron stationed in Morocco in 1959. While flying in a night training mission, his aircraft was the "target" aircraft. One of his last transmissions was that he was having trouble with his avionics before hitting the ground. If this channel or anyone who has any useful input on my comment, I will gladly relay them to my sisters. By the way, to the channel I thank you for sharing this video.

@lycossurfer8851 Год назад

I never realized how different the D model was from the rest. Sort of like a Hornet and Super Hornet; similar shape but really a different aircraft.

@rotwang2000 Год назад

It's not unusual, by the time a plane model has gone through several iterations the difference between the original and most recent version can be quite dramatic.

@jacobdill4499 10 месяцев назад

The final Starfire is like that as well. It was almost given a different model number.

@lancerevell5979 10 месяцев назад

Same for the straightwing F-84 vs the F-84F sweptwing fighters. Really different airframes, the F-84F should have had a different number.

@chadrowe8452 Год назад

Good storytelling. A b17 with it's wing ripped off. I'm thinking it worked. And then "watch for chutes, you got the wrong plane". That broke my heart and ripped my guts out. I gave a 👍

@dustyak79 7 месяцев назад

Kinda needed some more explanation vs just going on with other info .

@JazzBuff23 Год назад

In 1957 and 58 I was an Intercept Tech Controller and the Dog's, with all their limitations, was my favorite interceptor of the time. We ran ninety degree beam intercepts with three in a flight flying in trail five miles each. It was good enough for one pass at a B-47 and B-52,, and we had fun with the B-36's when I arrived at Ellsworth in 1955. They really struglled getting over 40 angels. Ninety degree beam intercepts required the GCI controller to have calculated a firing angle so he could set up the intercept way in advance of the final ninety degree heading. The 740th AC&W squadron, Charlie Crew did have the honor of guiding the 54th FIS Dogs against General Crabb in a new F-102 and during an ORI. We got three splashes. He was the new ADC commander. We scrambled one and 13 got airborne without our knowledge, then the ORI team showed up. He got on the channel a yelled BULLSHIT, I'm landing at Ellsworth and I want to see the camera film and I want everyone involved there. Wonderful days.

@michaelhorning6014 Год назад

There is an F-86D on display at the entrance to the municipal airport in Iowa City, Iowa. It is affectionately known to longtime residents as Old Jet. In the 1970s some geniuses in a community beautification group called Project Green had the jet hauled away as scrap. This led to a huge outcry from many. Not to mention the rude awakening the imbeciles received when the Air Force learned of the action. You see, the USAF still owns these old monuments. Old Jet was soon restored and it's still there today.

@keithdurose7057 Год назад

These so called "green" zealots are a monumental pain. Doing stupid things totally unrelated to their proposed agendas.

@keithdurose7057 Год назад

Rockets and missiles are only good in certain circumstances. They are best utilized on aircraft as complimentary weapons to cannon armaments. As proved during the Vietnam War.

@acr08807 Год назад

@@keithdurose7057The Vietnam war happened 60 years ago. Missile technology has made one or two minor advancements since then.

@MrDino1953 Год назад

You mean “affectionately”.

@philwhite3760 Год назад

There is one in Chandler Az

@tomthumb2057 Год назад

LOL first book I read for pleasure was on the F-86D flight control systems. My father was with the 134 IS in Vermont in the 50's. Have a box with all the manuals someplace around here. Read them all complete with foldout color coded diagrams. He was a crew chief back then went on to the B-36 and others have those manual too. Ahhh the memories built 10 or so models of the "Sabre Dog"...

@robertszerlong7077 Год назад

From 1960 to 1963, I was in ADC, stationed at Hancock Field, Syracuse, NY as a member of the Syracuse Air Defense Sector SAGE. The PA. ANG out of Pittsburg IAP were assigned to our sector, call sign NP (November Popa), flying F-86L's. In the summer of1961 or 1962, they deployed up to Handcock Field for their two-week annual training with the intent of running some air-to-air intercepts over Lake Ontario. On one such mission we sent a T-33 to tow a radar reflecting target drone along the south shore of the lake, traveling west to east from Buffalo, NY. The SAGE controller directed the F-86 to within 15 miles of the target where the pilot called radar contact; fire a salvo of inert missiles and hitting the T-33 rather than the target drone. The T-33 made it back to base full of holes and without its canopy.

@wilsonle61 Год назад

I got my Private Pilot License flying from Hancock Field when the NYANG was flying A-10(s)! Used to see them in the pattern with me all the time.

@williamfabbri1543 Год назад

You are spot on in recognizing the odd gap in coverage of the the history air defense regarding the F-86D. It was not only numerically significant but the story is instructive of the long term cost of early production of new technology. You are doing a fine job, please continue your excellent series.

@JasperFromMS Год назад

My dad was at Eglin AFB when this happened or shortly thereafter on his way to Korea. I remember him telling me about it when I was a kid. He was in no way involved in the test, but the tragedy obviously made an impression on everyone.

@ibluap Год назад

The sabredog was an iconic image from my childhood. I had an special sympathy for it. I wished I had a model of it in my collection; unfortunately there was never one! IN those innocent days, I used to believe it was named "Sabredog" because of its long snout that resembled the one of a dog... I never imagined it was due to the "D" suffix of its model number.

@ronjon7942 10 месяцев назад

Huh, that’s what I thought too.

@jaman878 7 месяцев назад

My Dad flew F86Ds and then F86Ls from 1954 until 1959 when they ferried them to the bone yard. He never called it the Dog Saber. He always called it “The D”. He thought they were fast and liked the afterburner, didn’t like the radar sets as they either didn’t work or were insensitive. He complained they could pick out each other and had a tough time “painting the B47. However the B36s were a different story. Their sets lit up “like Christmas” from those 6 massive propeller blades. He flew with the 4th FIS and the 49th FIS . The 49th were based at Hanscom Field testing the SAGE systems because of their proximity to Lincoln Labs.

@gort8203 Год назад

A lead collision pursuit curve is not designed to provide a head-on attack. It provides a quicker intercept than a pure pursuit curve in which the interceptor just points at the target. The aspect of the final engagement depends upon the relative positions of the interceptor and target when the intercept is initiated, as well as any maneuvering by the target.

@brianrmc1963 Год назад

You always provide detail and scale of stories that no one else does. Thank you. I accumulate 2165 hours in legacy Hornets. We regularly practice forward-quarter gunnery against a tiny banner. I never knew a squadron’s gun to fail. I would be much more comfortable shooting a bombers in the face than hitting him with unguided Zunis.

@rooster4293 Год назад

In 1961 18 F-86Ds became the Philippine Air Force’s first all-weather interceptors. They were assigned to the 5th Fighter Wing’s 8th “Vampire” Interceptor Squadron.

@peekaboopeekaboo1165 7 месяцев назад

How long were they in active service ? Did you Filipinos reverse-engineered the spare parts...to keep it functioning for decades ?

@rooster4293 7 месяцев назад

@@peekaboopeekaboo1165 Their service was pretty short, from 1961 up to 1968. The Philippine Air Force had trouble maintaining the aircraft and were cannibalizing parts from some airframes to keep the others going. In 1967, 8 F-86Ds from the Taiwan were transffered to the Philippines. But by the next year the decision was made to retire all of the F-86Ds. By then the Air Force was already receiving the F-5s.

@peekaboopeekaboo1165 7 месяцев назад

@@rooster4293 Too bad ...if Philippines maintained their F-86Ds ... they would've a big AF that can provide airspace coverage nationwide. And maybe used the numerical superiority against Malaysia...to recover Sabah ?

@dwhollrah Год назад

My uncle and Dad flew f86ds post Korea in the states. Dad even crashed one on takeoff out of Chicago. His squad commander chopped him out w a fire axe. We still have photos and film of his time in service. Many uncertified maneuvers were mentioned...like "strafing" ski resorts is Wisc. and buzzing his home town in Iowa. Both men are gone now.

@jb6027 Год назад

My father had been a P-51 Mustang pilot in Europe during WWII. He transitioned to Lockheed P-80As at Williams Army Air Field, Arizona in 1947. In December of 1952 he graduated from F-86D school at Tyndall AFB, Florida. The F-86Ds he flew were very early -1 and -5 models. As you pointed out, the F-86D program was a mess, so from there dad was then sent to the 40th Fighter Squadron/35th Fighter Wing at Johnson Air Station, Japan (which was scheduled to receive F-86Ds) only to fly F-80Cs again for another year, thus making the 40th Fighter Squadron the very last active duty F-80 unit. In 1954 the squadron received hand me down F-86E models from squadrons in Korea that had received new F-86F models, and he didn't fly the F-86D again until 1955, just before he transferred back to the US to fly F-86Fs and F-100s in Indiana.. 40th Fighter Squadron F86Ds are pictured in this video at 15:50 and again later flying formation with a Japanese F-86F. To my mind, the cannon armed F-86K was a much better fighter for areas that had to contend with not only enemy bombers but also enemy fighters, since the F-86D would likely be almost useless in a dog fight. Ironically, 70 years later, they now make an infra-red guided 2.75 folding fin rocket. Something like that would've made the F-86D totally awesome! As an aside, the first 150 of what we now know as Lockheed T-33s were built and designated as TF-80C transition trainers and armed with two .50 cal machine guns (as were all the T-33A-1 models). Dad always loved flying the T-33s, because to him it was a 2 seat F-80. Thank you, for a most EXCELLENT video and the trip down memory lane!

@shawnmiller4781 Месяц назад

Agree with you on the K model

@Gunsncarsnstuff Год назад

There is a Sabre Dog in a park at Peterson SFB. Ironically, the radar bay is home to a squadron of hornets that will intercept you if you get to close.

@MScotty90 Год назад

Thanks for making this video! There’s an F-86D on display at Camp Mabry here in Austin, Texas. I’ve always been curious about them but haven’t ever been able to find too much information. This actually cleared up a question I had about that one on display, when I saw it up close I noticed a large square hole in the fuselage behind the nose gear, and assumed it was something related to mounting the plane on a pole like the F-4 and F-16 on display next to it. Turns out it's just the hole where the rocket tray used to be, I guess they removed it when they converted it to a display plane and never bothered to cover the hole. I think part of the reason it's so forgotten is probably the same as a lot of the early jet age aircraft. They were only in service for a short period of time, and were quickly phased out in favor of better aircraft that then went on to be in service for much, much longer. I feel like a lot of the jets from the early 1950s are overshadowed by the century series aircraft, and even more so by the F-4. One cool fact about those two top speed runs that the F-86D did, they were flown at an altitude of 125 feet. I bet going that fast and that low is quite a rush!

@Tekisasubakani Год назад

I grew up in Austin, and always thought there was something off about that Sabre...now I know it was a Sabre Dog!

@kurtbauch5491 Год назад

My Dad flew the 86D with the 86th Fighter Interceptor Squadron, Vienna, Ohio. I still have his Dash 1’s, Mach Buster pin and certification, along with other items. Your information is pretty accurate, although their biggest fear was blowing up when they lit the burner due to the electronic fuel control. Nice work.

@Chilly_Billy Год назад

I am REALLY enjoying these videos on early Cold War jets. Please don't neglect the seaborne models.

@erictaylor5462 Год назад

Considering that the B-17 target plane was going to be flying close to the B-17 control plane, why did they not provide a way for the F-86D pilot to tell one from the other? Surely locking onto the wrong plane was considered a possibility, as it was, in fact possible.

@Mjr._Kong Год назад

This was a significant problem. My 90 y/o dad was a USAF pilot in the early 50s, attached to Eglin's B-17 drone program. He flew the drone command planes (B-17) used for testing the original heat seeking ATA missiles. One of the stories he shared was about a demonstration of the new weapon system for top brass (and possibly some reporters), that were in the observer plane holding at the same altitude as the target drone. The pilot of the fighter rolled in on cue and -- you guessed it -- took out the wrong plane. I don't believe there were any survivors. I'll have to double-check on the location but I believe it happened at China Lake or Pt. Magu NAS. Edit: It turns out that the incident was over the Gulf, and Life magazine reporters were also on the plane that perished. Needless to say, this was one of the worst PR disasters imaginable.

@obsidianjane4413 Год назад

Early radar fire control systems were not anywhere nearly as precise as digital systems are today. Instead of showing individual contacts as discrete data objects, those analog systems just went with the strongest signal return and did its calculations on that. This is about good enough when the assumption is that anything the sensor is pointed at is an enemy, but as shown, can lead to tragedy when that is not the case.

@albow4oops5 Год назад

I imagine this incident may have been part of what inspired the all orange paint scheme on drones.

@obsidianjane4413 Год назад

@@albow4oops5 Nah. That had been done since the 30s. Mostly to make finding (the pieces of) them easier to find after destruction or getting lost. It also would not help in this case because the test was of an instrument only engagement.

@m1t2a1 Год назад

IFF will be invented later.

@stefanschutz5166 Год назад

Fantastic video. I particularly like the calm pace of the narrator. Thank you so much from Amsterdam

@MAACotton Год назад

Post WWII aviation is wild. I'm only now learning about it thanks to fantastic channels like this.

@rpbajb Год назад

The Flight Surgeon flipping the bird to the Sabre pilot at 3:45 is hilarious.

@daszieher 7 месяцев назад

quite a few birds were shown!😅 Probably Hawaiian...

@dxb338 Год назад

3:51 surprised the air force allowed film of those one finger salutes. excellent find in archival footage.

@zeroelus Год назад

At least we're sure of the camaraderie of that wing! I also thought I'd seen wrong only to have them repeat it again a few seconds later.

@kevinmello9149 Год назад

My dad flew the F86L during his time in the 133rd Fighter Interceptor Squadron of the New Hampshire Air National Guard in the late 1950s. He always said he loved the F86, much better than the F-94s they had earlier. He related a tale of flying out on an alert one time, going Buster (full afterburner) all the way to get to the intercept area in time. In his opinion, the F86 was the best jet he ever flew. I tend to think the Dog nickname comes more from the early phoenetic alphabet than the planes flight characteristics. Dog was the military phoenetic for D during WW2.

@lelandcarlson1668 Год назад

Excellent video as always! Thank you for the history lesson on a fighter that is virtually unknown by most today. I always enjoy learning about the history of the aircraft industry and military applications around the world.

@stinkyfungus Год назад

I'm really digging your format, keep them comming!

@misha5670 Год назад

Chiming in to say i remember & appreciate the Sabredog very much still today, but you are absolutely right that most out there don't seem interested. Worse, many haven't even heard of it in the first place.

@USAmerican100 Год назад

In 1980's I worked with a former Hughes employee. He told the story of Howard Hughes around 1952 out on the ramp in coveralls with toolbox fixing a Dog radar that nobody else could get to work.

@petesheppard1709 Год назад

I once read a magazine article about the Dog and the challenges of operating it, which also described an exercise where the intercept system worked as advertised. The bomber crews were apparently jubilant that they had not seen a single interceptor, but were stunned when shown camera footage from the Sabres of multiple perfect firing passes.

@josemoreno3334 Год назад

Cool video. Love those Cold War fighters. Good story of the F-86Ds. Well done. I'm retired USAF.

@gatblau1 Год назад

I like how the ground crew was giving all the pilots the finger as they taxied out. I wonder what the story is behind that?

@tetraxis3011 10 месяцев назад

Pilots probably overstressed the plane resulting in more work for the ground crew.

@naoakiooishi6823 Год назад

Thanks for the video. Rare two ship formation of a D and F models over Mt. Fuji is very nice. JASDF had 40 of the D models in the 60s

@thomascowell859 Год назад

I was the 12 year old son of a U. S. Air Force officer when our family was transferred to Komaki Air Base, Nagoya, Japan, in December, 1955. At that time the 39th Fighter Interceptor Squadron was based there with F-86Ds and at time frame 20:22 - there's a photo of 24038 with the "Cobra in the Clouds" squadron insignia on the vertical tail. Quite a happy surprise to see it! The up-swept squadron color was blue. Regarding the formation photo over Mt. Fuji, the red squadron color on the F-86D was from the 40th FIS based at Yokota Air Base in the Tokyo area. I think they converted to F-102As in 1959-1960. MY GOODNESS - IT ALL SEEMS LIKE A THOUSAND YEARS AGO!!!!! WELL DONE VIDEO!!!!!

@jb6027 Год назад

@thomascowell859 My Dad was with the 40th FIS flying F-80s and later F-86E&D models. He later went to the Air Division HQ but was still assigned to the 40th FIS for flying. I'd bet our dads knew each other.

@jonathanhudak2059 10 месяцев назад

Great video never knew all of this about the Saber Dog. My favorite F-86 variant of the F-86 series. So sad about the B-17 drone controller being shot down and the lives lost

@gordonbergslien30 Год назад

Well done! My dear friend, Lt. Colonel Dick Miller, flew Sabre Dogs out of Perrin AFB in Texas in the fifties. He told me as soon as his F-86D's tires broke the pavement he was fuel critical.

@Two4Brew Год назад

My dad was a fire control radar technician at Suffolk County AFB on Long Island, NY from 54 - 57. He spent most of his time on the 86D. About the same time, my father in law was a Scope Dope out at Montauk.

@catsharkareswimfast Год назад

Big fan of this channel, but DAAAYUUM 12:30 my mans really upped his story-telling ante. Chills baby, chills.

@JGCR59 Год назад

On the other hand, the F-86K with Cannons and Sidewinders was a substantial NATO aircraft in the late 50s and early 60s

@erloriel Год назад

Another gem of a video on a completely neglected topic! Thank you very much for your excellent research and narration.

@cliffalcorn2423 Год назад

Another outstanding educational video. I really enjoy your work. Keep it up.

@b.elzebub9252 Год назад

12:47 Holy shit.. My heart actually dropped. That's some amazing story telling.

@FirstDagger Год назад

Awesome video, can't wait for the follow up on the cannon armed F-86K Sabre Dog. I guess North American laid the groundwork for their end giving Convair the rocket tech.

@pjotrtje0NL Год назад

Yes, looking forward to an episode on the Kilo! The RNlAF operated them as all weather interceptors, can’t wait for that episode.

@Yabbagabbagool Год назад

Excellent storytelling as always mate! Thanks for this great episode!

@КапитанГейб 11 месяцев назад

I'm the one who added my dad's comments on flying the F-89 to your video on the Scorpion. Over the decades he's talked a lot about the F-89D as well. I asked him for comments on your production and he said "No comment for him. It is a good video. My only comments would be personal opinion, not suitable for a fact based product." I'll still add his clarification on the scope shots: "The scope shown is the attack display. The vertical line is the actual radar beam with the target. The two circles are computer generated steering command display. The gap in the one displays the closing speed by where the gap appears with the 12 o'clock position representing 0 knots and rotating clockwise with faster closing rates." He's always mentioned that the F-86D's 24 rockets, compared to the F-89's 104 made the Probability of Kill (PK) numbers incomparable. However, the 86D had much better performance. I just returned from a trip to California to visit with him. Interesting that you discussed lead-collision intercept since he spoke to me at length about this during my visit. He described the "eight-ball". He said it was his responsibility, and that he only had a second or two, to either finish the attack by firing anyhow, or calling to break-off at the eight-ball. Any delay would result in colliding with the target. He said that during one exercise, as a matter of scoring, he was asked "Why did you break-off one run?" and his pilot piped up "We would have collided." End of questioning. With only one man in the 86D to do all the work, it was much more dicey. Thanks again for giving an old Air Force puke a chance to relive the glory days of ADC!

@justforever96 3 месяца назад

I have a fondness for the F-86D because as a child we stopped at a small military park off I-89 in VT. My mother knew i was into military history and equipment. They had an old jet fighter parked there, i remember running around under it, and i remembered it well enough that when i looked it up years later i was able to tell it was a Saber Dog. I was also able to tell that they operated T-33s and F-102s out of Burlington just by my mother's description of the planes she saw landing as a girl.

@hirothajap 9 месяцев назад

Agreed. Japan was obviously where these SaberDogs flew the most but they too are underrated here. I guess post-Korea pre-Vietnam era jets are often underrepresented.

@trespasserswill7052 Год назад

Thanks for revealing why my dad bought that 1960 Plymouth. I had no idea.

@n176ldesperanza7 Год назад

Just discovered your channel. Outstanding research, images and commentary. Well done!

@ReaperRestorations Год назад

we have an F86 (now in pieces) on base and i have a '56 Plymouth in the driveway. pretty neat to see them together!

@notapound Год назад

Now that’s the dream!

@arthursvensson7924 Год назад

I ground crewed a F-86L in 1959 in Sioux City, Iowa. They closed the AFB and our squadron was moved to England AFB, Alexandria, LA. My favorite base. Soon afterward, me moved to Thule AFB in Greenland and The F-102A fighter.

@PhantomLover007 Год назад

Very good content on the saber dog. It was an equally favorite aircraft of mine next to the original F 86 series. It was uniquely different and I liked that. Very sad that the controller aircraft was shot down in the loss of six of its crewmembers. I don’t think even painting the aircraft similar to what the bell aircraft had done for their “pinball” targets. With the attacking pilot, having to maintain eyes on the targeting radar, I really don’t think that a mishap like this was even conceived in someone’s mind. I’m quite sure that later on, doctrine changed to where the pilot would have to pop his head up every few moments to ensure that, he was staying on target with what needed to be hit. I can imagine the nightmares that the pilot that shot down the control aircraft experienced.

@silentone11111111 Год назад

Another great vid on a overlooked subject. Love it 👍

@johnjensen2217 Год назад

@3:48, Gotta love the “one finger salute”😅

@petesheppard1709 Год назад

In the US phonetic alphabet of the time, ‘Dog’ was used for the letter D, so applying it to the jet, with its problems, was an easy jump. Also, US pilots have a tradition of applying less-than-complementary nicknames to their aircraft, so ‘Dog’ would have been doubly easy.

@TheJustinJ Год назад

You think the US nicknames their aircraft in an unflattering manner; Just see what they name the Soviet era jets...

@robmarsh6668 Год назад

It mustve helped that f-86d had a big dog nose

@darkalman Год назад

The F-35 'Fat Amy' would like to have a word

@petesheppard1709 Год назад

@@darkalman 😄

@mattrowland473 Год назад

Well done, I always thought the Sabre airframe was elegantly beautiful and deserved continued development, with the Fox dog being quite a looker. Sadly the technology was a dead end for it at that time. A great video of the time is the "Geiger Tigers" squadron and their move to Yuma AFB back in the day. Very cheeky but great vids of the airframe and gang in non official conduct. : )

@RCAvhstape Год назад

3:52 those guys shooting the Finger at the pilots is hilarious. I'm kind of surprised that film managed to survive.

@alandiehl202 Год назад

I loved it when (as an Air Force brat), I saw that the F-86D had replaced the F-84 (which had replaced the F-51s) at Selfridge AFB MI, in the earlier 1950s. One of the Dog pilots showed this impressionable young man the manual for the fire-control radar. Thanks for the memories. Alan E. Diehl, Ph.D.

@rogerbutler5341 Год назад

In my humble opinion, the F86 was a most beautiful aircraft that looked like it was speeding along while parked. Granted, I was in school at the time but that impression still lingers today at 82.

@Manbemanbe Год назад

Love your videos man. Thanks and keep it up!

@StevieWonder737 Год назад

The D wing was the wing and used on the Sabreliner ... the first "business jet". The gear was also used on the Sabreliner.

@notapound Год назад

Cool! I had no idea about that!

@SliceofLife7777 7 месяцев назад

I think the Dog Ship was an act of desperation, and more importantly, an exercise in how to intercept jet bombers. Hughes went on to make better versions of it's fire control system for the Convair delta wing interceptors (Dagger/Dart). Until Convair's Delta Dagger, we didn't have a very good interceptor. And even the Dagger had it's problems, though these problems were mostly applying area rule to the 102's airframe to get supersonic performanceout of it. It wasn't until the F106 Dart, that we had it right. The Dart was part of an elaborate ground control system that automated the intercept. But as your excellent video shows, that ground control system had it's infancy along with the Sabre Dog. So, like all of us guys, our baby pictures were a little embarrassing, especially when your woman is giggling while saying, "How Cute!".

@andhelm7097 Год назад

Outstanding presentation

@Prototheria Год назад

3:46 Damn, those kids sure look proud of themselves flipping each other off. lol...

@suntzuwu Год назад

Your content is fast becoming a favorite. Excellent research and a voice/script made for documentaries. Keep up the good work. You've earned another subscriber.

@larrysteimle2004 Год назад

I was an enlisted man. From 1954-58 I trained at Lowry AFB and at Ethan Allen AFB to teach operation and maintenance of the Hughes E-4,5,6 Series System Fire Control. Joined an F-86D mobile training unit out of Chanute AFB and spent 11 months between Manston RAF Station in England, Wheelus Air Base in Tripoli, North Africa, and Nouasseur Air Depot in Morocco. I remember an F-86D pilot at Wheelus telling me that during a routine training flight he found himself suddenly boxed in by four F-100s who forced him to fly way out over the desert until he begged them to let him go before he ran out of fuel. I guess it's a big temptation to be a bully if you have the power. Another D pilot told us that they would give our radar system one chance to hit the target. If it failed, they would put a piece of chewing gum on the windshield and use that for a gunsight. Was he kidding me? I didn't think so at the time.

@notapound Год назад

Thanks for the comment - very interesting. I've read that the F100 units often came from F80 or F86 units. Having wanted the afterburner and had to listen to the 'D' pilots for years, perhaps they decided to take their revenge! I have heard the chewing gum comment in relation to the APG 30 radar in the F-86E and F... but it would not in anyway surprise me if it also applied to the 'D'. The level of complexity in that system was wild for the era.

@donparker1823 Год назад

Very well told. I find your presentations of these pretty obscure stories engaging and hold my interest to the end. I've often wondered how the F-86D would do against a Mig -17. I didn't understand that it wasn't designed at all to do that kind of mission. It is a pity that we didn't arm the earlier F-86's with cannon to start with. There would have been a lot more dead Mig-15's.

@ComfortsSpecter 9 месяцев назад

Amazing Coverage Thank You for This Great Work

@ivanski28 Год назад

Great video, really enjoying this series! In particular I enjoy the deeper technical analysis. I have a suggestion for you, look up "FU-599". Before Have Drill/Have Ferry and about the same time as the MIG-15 the Americans got from a defecting Korean pilot, they actually got a Yak-23 Flora from Romania via at the time friendly communist country, Yugoslavia! Consequently the Yugoslav Air Force got F-84s, T-33's and F-86's including SabreDogs as our first jet fighters.

@yes_head 5 месяцев назад

Loving your deep dives into relatively niche aircraft. 👍

@christopherhanshew652 Год назад

Holy shit. That took a dark turn after you described the test salvo. Well done. You’re an immensely talented historiographer and story teller.

@Jon.A.Scholt Год назад

Another fantastic video from what's become one of my favorite aviation channels. For the Algorithm!

@tornado2201 11 месяцев назад

always loved the F-86D. great video.

@jamessullivan9906 Год назад

Thank you that was both entertaining and very informative!!

@glenwoodriverresidentsgrou136 Год назад

The early Sabers actually did have a radar, but it was only the small pointy bit on top of the air scoop that was a rangefinder for the gunsight, a bit like the radar on your new car that is used for adaptive cruise control.

@notapound Год назад

Thanks for the comment. Am I right in thinking that the ranging radar was only installed from the very late ‘A’ models?

@stevenborham1584 2 месяца назад

Great video again with some really unique footage, especially the JASDF F-86 and USAF Sabre dog in formation over Mt. Fuji. It would be interesting to have a video done on the Fiat G-91 with some emphasis on its conceptual likeness to the F-86. I would cast it as a dassault like interpretation of the Sabre.

@maclec5315 2 месяца назад

I am both impressed and appreciative of your detailed recounting of the development history of these iconic (to me) cold war aircraft. Especially your takes on the all-weather interceptor varieties. While I never had much fondness for the aesthetics of the Dog Saber, my own research has suggested it was much more capable than it's predecessors as reported in the esoteric files of Project Blue Book and NICAP reports. I don't know Whether the F-86D's apparent successes in these reports is a sign of growing competence in system maintenance and in operational training that took the E- and APG systems to their ultimate performance potential but my impression is that unlike the various versions of the F-94, the F-86D seems to have had a consistent history of being able to track unidentified aerial targets in the worst of conditions and apparently it's rocket salvo seems to have managed to destroy one of these unknown targets. In comparison the F-89 Scorpion (which like the F-94 at Otis AFB, may also have been abducted during the famous Kinross incident), appears to have either a history that remains classified or just wasn't as frequently engaged in such UFO scrambles which seems unlikely. We can only speculate about what may have transpired in these encounters but the reports have left me with the impression that the D represented a watershed evolution of USAF all weather interception of these most elusive of targets. Since you mentioned the 1953 F-94 Otis AFB incident, I suspect you are familiar with at least some of these reports. Any comment you would care to make would be much appreciated.

@frankpinmtl Год назад

What I find kind of surprising about North American was given the sheer amount of aircraft produced, some models were produced in the 10's of thousands - and all of the programs they were involved in, they were forced to merge with Rockwell, back in the day.

@leonswan6733 Год назад

I am so glad i found your channel.... Well done !!! Awsome. I been trying to wrap my head around... Why would the USAF knowing from 1949 that all interceptors / Fighters of the future would have full search track and fire RADARs to guide " FOX 1 " semi-active homing guided AIM missiles like the hughes AIM-4 Falcon from lauch aircraft RADAR beams, But.... put into production the NAA F-100 " Super Sabre " without a real RADAR??? ( Not the actual bore sight radio range finder dish in the nose for distance to calculate drop and lead fire for the 4 20mm cannons )

@bernieeod57 Год назад

One review of the Saber jet stated that with modern aviionics and an F-404 engine, it would still be a viable fighter today. Imagine backfitting and afterburning F-404, replacing the radar with the F-16's APG-68, Ripping out the rocket launcher and replacing it with an M-61 canon (Probably would have a blister pod) And hardpoints for AIM-9's and AMRAAM.

@MrSdsr Год назад

Excellent video . Would be interesting how the „Dog“ performed in dogfight against the normal F86. We at the Luftwaffe had 88 F86K and a lot CL-13B . All the „normal“ Sabre guys wished was a afterburner . The K had one .

@notapound Год назад

Thanks for the comment. My plan is to do a series of videos on the variants (A-E, F & H, K) as I’ve realised that trying to put it all in one will lead to a 2 hour marathon! Did the day fighter guys want the afterburner for high altitudes?

@MrSdsr Год назад

@@notapound They usually had to fight against more modern aircraft in the early sixties . F102, Hunter and so on . A guy from Erich Hartmann‘s Jg71 was quoted with „ .. and for Christmas we wish a little afterburner „. Just a question of acceleration . Very late Australian F86 had double the engine power then a F86E. You can never have to much thrust

@davidhead5978 Год назад

My dad trained in F-86Ds at Perrin AFB Tx in 1956 and flew F-86Ls in the 56th Fighter Interceptor Squadron, Air Defense Command, at Wright-Patterson AFB Oh from 1957-58. The "pods" the F-86Ls that were "on alert" took off from, are still there. The hanger doors still protrude out to accommodate the noses of the F-86L. Apparently, the pods were originally sized for a previous fighter. Much like a firehouse, the pilots on alert lived in the hanger in case an alarm was sounded, and then they were supposed to jump into their planes and head north to intercept Russian bombers coming over the north pole. The pilot had enough fuel to make one pass on one bomber and return to base. The pilots were never ordered to do this, but it was pointed out that if they fired half their rockets at a bomber, they could use their remaining fuel to fire the other half of the rockets at a second bomber and ram a third bomber. The rationale was that they could stop three bombers from nuking three cities, rather than just saving one city. It was not lost on the pilots that they could save millions of lives if they gave their own lives for this. The F-86L was physically the same as the F-86D but had an updated radar unit. The 56th FIS had a distinctive black and yellow checkerboard design on the tail.

@notapound Год назад

Thanks for the detailed comment - I found that really interesting. Another commenter pointed out that some F102 pilots were told to expect a one way trip that ended with ejection, so it seems that this sentiment carried over from the F86D/L community to the Deuce.

@callenclarke371 10 месяцев назад

First-rate writing. Really excellent content. Well done.

@BrownSofaGamer 10 месяцев назад

In a city named West Covina near I go to college there’s a park, called Palmview Park I believe, that has a real F-86D covered in gunite that’s been turned into a piece of playground equipment. It was apparently donated by North American Aviation to the local club that created the playground in the park for the purpose. It’s actually one of 3 parks around the SoCal area that has a real jet that’s been made into playground equipment the others being Lions park in Costa Mesa with an F9F Panther and another with an F-9 Cougar in Anaheim called Boysen Park. The Cougar has been on display since approximately 1960 and was apparently in the park without gunite until 1967 when they finally covered it.

@lllordllloyd Год назад

This is such an interesting period. Barely 10 years before the F-86D was being developed, an air force pilot could well be flying a biplane.

@WildBillCox13 Год назад

This content is the internet realizing its potential as a means of education. Thanks. Liked and shared.

@lancerevell5979 10 месяцев назад

By this time, the aircraft were F-80 and F-84. The "P" designator was changed from Pursuit to Patrol.

@notapound 10 месяцев назад

Thanks for the comment. I do need to get more consistent in applying the right designations.

@bhhbcc4573 Год назад

Never heard of this plane until I ran into one at the Greek war museum in Athens.

@lookythat2 Год назад

I saw a hulk of an F-86D (restored cosmetically) in McMinnville OR. In person it actually looks tubby and graceless, unlike the dayfighter versions. Like an F-86 with bloat. Also, look at the vortex generators stuck all over the aft fuselage. That's a dead giveaway of how bad the aerodynamics of the design are, if they need to induce that kind of drag to keep the airflow attached (you can see the same thing on the TF-102A). The rocket armament gets a lot of comment here. It no doubt seemed like a better idea than guns at the time. Remember the Nazi R4Ms, in salvos of 24, were very effective against US bombers over Germany (although there are only a few recorded incidents of their use). Given this series on 50's USAF interceptors, an episode dedicated to unguided rocket armament for interceptors might be in order. Not only the US, but the Soviets, Chinese, UK and French interceptors were armed with batches of unguided rockets during the 50s and 60s. USAF interceptors needed a standoff weapon so they could stay out of range of the 23mm guns on the Soviet bombers, but they also needed sufficient weight of fire to bring a bomber down. Assuming a 2% hit rate for guns, that means an awful lot of shells.

@edletain385 Год назад

On the subject of rocket-armed interceptors. The Douglas AIR-2 Genie (previous designation MB-1) was an unguided air-to-air rocket with a 1.5 kt W25 nuclear warhead, While in service with the U.S. Air Force, the Genie was carried operationally on the F-89 Scorpion, F-101B Voodoo, and the F-106 Delta Dart. While the Genie was originally intended to be carried by the F-104 Starfighter using a unique 'trapeze' launching rail, the project never proceeded beyond the testing phase. Convair offered an upgrade of the F-102 Delta Dagger that would have been Genie-capable, but it too was not adopted. Operational use of the Genie was discontinued in 1988 with the retirement of the F-106 interceptor. The only other Genie user was Canada, whose CF-101 Voodoos carried Genies until 1984 via a dual-key arrangement where the missiles were kept under United States custody, and released to Canada under circumstances requiring their use.

@jaman878 7 месяцев назад

The F-102s carried a Genie operationally.

@69Applekrate Год назад

Nicely done. Very informative. Thank you for presenting this and all your work to do so.

@johnancil9842 7 месяцев назад

Grandpa flew Sabre dogs out of Misawa AFB in the late 50’s, thanks for the video

@fredtedstedman 11 месяцев назад

Thanks for explaining this beautiful jet !

@scottmonfort 11 месяцев назад

My Dad flew the D from Okinawa Japan in '53-4. He had to bail out once ironically due to weather. He later got to fly or ride in one (2 seats)? in Brazil in the early 80's when down there on business. Never heard of the term "Dogship"!

@kimnielsen9332 Год назад

My Dad flew F-86Ds in the 726 Esk Aalborg, Royal Danish Air Force. They also had, in addition to the rocket tray, 2 Sidewinder AAMs. Then in 1962 off to USA to be trained on the F-102s at Perrin AFB.