He is not as bad as people say but he should’ve been so much better he has a lot of inconsistencies and flaws he feels like a last year unit which sucks as the last global first and first Goku Black in a while especially as people wanted him a while ago and got Future Gohan.
@@tbone2416 Checking her kit she doesn’t need a Caulifla. Just a Universe 6 ally. She shares 5/7 with STR Kefla so I’d say that’s a good one two punch. Again post Kefla EZA
@6O8gamer07 check her transformation condition. She needs a Caulifla to transform on Turn 4. Otherwise she needs to do 6 super attacks, which is Turn 5 in the absolute best case scenario
@@smol-shogun2005 ? That's the reality most players face, not to mention her additionals are not guaranteed. She could do 4 supers turn 1 and she still needs to do 2 more on Turn 3. No matter what Turn 5 is the earliest you can transform without Caulifla. I don't understand what you're point is
I've been having fun with him in so many events. He is really good as a slot 1 unit while also giving his team ki and time to build up like AGL Zamasu on his first turn for example. And of course he's cracked when he clones and getting him at least 2 rainbow ordbs. For me rose gets a 8.5/10. A very welcomed unit on my zamasu and goku black team cause i don't have teq corrupted zamasu or rose and zamasu T_T
24:30 actually, you did the three Attack of Rosé before the domain, after the domain Rosé technically become a new character, so i don't think the Attacks done before the domain carry over in the domain version.
I feel like the issue you had with counting attacks may have been that his attacks from before he transformed didn’t get “transferred” over. He’s technically a different character at that point. Similar to how if you did 3 super attacks as the GT Duo, and then revived with GT Vegeta after doing 1 super, you’d still only have 30% damage reduction and not 40%. Not sure if that’s how it works with Rosé but it’s possible. Edit: never mind, you covered this in the final part of the video
@@sad_cat5277Yes, but when you go *back* to the duo (if the bomb doesn’t finish the event), they still have the DR they built up in base. But they *don’t* get any from super attacks performed as Vegeta.
Something that should probably be mentioned is that his transformation only lasts for as long as his domain does. As soon as the domain goes away, so do the clones, and he returns back to the less consistent base form. This isn't that big a deal, but it could come if someone takes him into longer form content.
32:15 it doesn’t work like that unfortunately. You can’t proc the additional super more than once per turn. And the guaranteed super is launched after his normals everytime, they don’t instantly proc the next attack after 5 attacks
Just discovered that the attack counter completely refreshes the next turn after procing the guaranteed super. So if you were to attack 4 times the turn prior, then the first attack will proc the super, and the rest of the attacks during that turn will not count towards another super. So basically next turn the counter will start at 0 again which is stupid
@danielcamposbana2581 He said scythe rose He does good dmg and tanks everything on global for double digits if he at least gets 3 rainbow orbs Definitely better than kefla
i dont likw running double rose so i use a kind of hybrid team with a zamasu friend, i barely have rainbow orbs for one rose i dont want to imagine two
39:15 the point whit the gammas its they need 2 types of orbs the ints (100%supers) max 2 supers the agl or str (70% chanche to super) max 2 supers If you collect 2 ints and go into giant form and after that you recollect agl o str automatically activates the two pasives thats it
Your super mega rainbow orb thing could probably just be a global thing right now. Like before the blue fusions eza’d you could use their active in slot 1 and carry those effects into slot 2(or reverse) on global, but on JP with their EZA you could only do active in slot 3 to move into slot 1-2 or do active in slot 1-2 and move them to slot 3
Goku Black is practically a post anni character but the content JP currently has a measly 1.5 mil def without anything extra(post transformation) won't be enough for even normals
Man, i run him in a rotation with EZA Vados and he cooks. Only 1 dupe and he is consistently putting in work. Vados gets him at least 3 rainbow orbs a turn and almost every other turn i get 4 at least. The roation is wild
at 32:00 he has a chance to super on rare chance. My guess is somehow you actually didn't proc hidden potential system even though it was unlikely not too.
Couple things I don't like about this character: increased damage reduction before you attack is only so helpful barring you don't take any attacks after you super, and that all those additionals don't have the chance to be supers. I could live with the damage reduction mechanic if there was potential to super attack 6 times in one turn. This unit isn't as bad as people are making it seem but it definitely has a lot of flaws, also including the fact that the other domains on his team are significantly better.
that's just bad design cause those normals/additionals are actually from those rainbow ki sphere pick ups lmao they should've just gave him "per ki sphere, additional super is guaranteed" OR they can word it like pre EZA LR Physical Evoken where a max of 3 super attacks are given when you pick up rainbow orbs This would help out his pre transformed state And once you use ur domain, it just boosts him him tremendously as well Obviously not on the levels of top LRs in the game, but at least meta enough to be used Literally he's only runnable if you want to have fun mf can't even link with Int LR Rose until you use the cloning state lmao @@justinmichaud8747
Wow, rosè actually looked really good next to the str rosè: with 429k DEF pre super he takes 760k DMG from a 3Mln super (not counting types) before attacking. Considering the amounts of supports the super hero team has thats quite realistic and hes not even locked to slot one or to any condition.
@@inlovewitcraxk8229 Didn't even hit me that this guy said super hero, man I'm dead That roto aint even realistic either, where tf are you taking str Rosé where he wont get you killed
@@inlovewitcraxk8229 i mean 760k dmg is good if you understand how the game works: it means that any super under 2.2 Mln is doing virtually no dmg to a unit pre super with just one support. Also if you knew how to read youd understand what i said, the super hero team has multiple 50% supports while rosè only had one thats why i said it was "realistic".
While good, he's not really helping Super Bosses at all. He'll still be put on Super Bosses, but only for the fact that he's better than most options Super Bosses has. Biggest flaws - Gives Super Bosses 2 ki when hit, but putting him in slot 1 is risky outside of turn 1. I put a rainbow LL10 Rose on a 200% team, and he only has 260k defense with no support. With upcoming bosses hitting around 2.2 to 2.7 million on Super, he's going to be taking around 550k-675k with 60% damage reduction. That can be certain death depending on where your HP is. Depending on how many times he attacks, he can probably be tankier after, but... - Needs Rainbow Orbs, but he doesn't orb change nor is there one on Super Bosses. The game is already a huge RNG fest, and adding more heavy RNG on a unit is not good. With events having limited tries, it becomes risky to have a unit that messes you over because you got super unlucky. This leads to the biggest problem, that being... - Battling for Orbs. Once Broly, Cheelai, and Lemo get their EZA, Rose Goku Black has to compete with them to get orbs. The LR Trio is most likely going to devour Rainbow Orbs when trying to get 7 Ki Spheres for their 100% dodge, which messes with Rose. It's the same vice versa where Rose can mess with the LR Trio by getting the Rainbow orbs he needs. It becomes a battle of deciding who to give the orbs to, and 9/10 I'm gonna give it to the LR Trio if it gives them 7 orbs. Their dodge is just better than what Rose provides. In isolation, he's very good, but when you consider the team you have to put him on, he can either help or hurt.
in his transformed state his additionals have a rare chance to be a super. so there really is no point in counting the normals when they can just end up being supers
The last GLB first ever, is a unit that should have released in 2023, had this guy come out in November before SSJ 3 Rose he would have been amazing, best unit in the game, but Clownmatsu released him now as if GLB didn't know how crazy JP is and how this guy couldn't survive shit without the anniversary units.
tangent but i wonder what this means for other units can u get all types of support from broly cheelai and lemo? can u get all the abilities from LR Pilaf? there's prolly others im forgetting too
Which sadly post 9th Anni is not enough...and villains need soooo much help and GB is such a dope character that I hate see people coping with his He'd been fine if he was a super character...but exteam needs 5-6 continuous broken characters to compete
Please who downplay this guy rn simply use there brain Rose get better once he transform(or I should say get his domain)=never happen because broly need to transform in the same way which make Rose stuck in his base forever
@@alaaaguil3076 he doesn’t need to transform, if anything he’s better defensively pre transformation cuz he can get to somewhat similar base defensive stats while keeping 30% dr. As soon as he gets a rainbow orb changer on his team ppl will understand or u can just run him on a teq zamasu setup and throw chelai on the team
@@renegade_9173 dude, even teq zamasu is starting to not have enough defense. You are NOT running his team in the newer fights, specially when there are three other domain characters on his team.
rainbow orb mech is a$$. Considering he is only around for 2 turns, they should of let him change 2 types to rainbow. Just more intentional unit design sabotage
With the new Hard content stages and the fact that more of these will naturally come in the future, this Goku Black really not standing a chance. That's tuff
Your build is, imo, not really good. You want to give this guy more DEF and AA to have more chances to have a really good defensive unit. Crit is pretty good for base form but it's not even like the base form is even there to really do damage anyways, and once you transform you have type advantage so I'd definitively put more AA. With your build, if you do 6 attacks (the "basic" attack, the additional from passive, the 3 rainbow orb normals and the guaranteed Super from passive after 5 attacks), you have 57% chance to do an additional Super. If you reversed your Crit and AA, you'd have 78% chance to do an additional Super. Also, this makes your additional (not additional Super) chance go from 84% chance to 98% chance. I feel like that's better than 20% more chance to crit which is, again, mostly better only for the base form.
Having a higher 30% chance of doing one additional is definitely not worth losing the 44% chance to crit on every of his attacks. The defense raise from just one super won't make a difference most of the time. Also, while it is true that crits lose value when he transforms, you probably dont even want this guy transforming, cause he loses the dr after attack and you cant use other better domains(zamasu, right now, broly when he arrives).
@@CBFlam It's not losing 44% chance since I just reversed the AA and Crit build. He would go from 44% chance to Crit to 26% chance to Crit. And, yes, the 30% raise and the chance to do even one AA more is overall better for this character in pretty much all situations. You may lose a little bit on the damage side (only a little) but you get a unit that's WAY better at tanking. I think my calcs are good, maybe you don't really understand how chances/probabilities work though. Procking 26% chance to do an additional multiple times doesn't add the chance onto each other. Basically with two attacks you don't reach 52%, and with three you don't reach 78% chance either.
Honestly, if it weren’t for that, I’d say he’s really good, like even a MEDIUM chance would be fine with me but they just did him so dirty for that. Not to mention he doesn’t get extra Ki on rainbow orbs so the game doesn’t give him as many as possible, meaning that on top of the rare chance, the amount of additional he does is ALSO lessened
@@mikeshark8869literally this, he's already doing like a 15 million super effective on his last attack on top of the normals and supers before that he really doesn't need it
The amount of hoops you have to jump through to make him look halfway decent in a transformation you never want to have (nerfs broly who is 10x better than this rose) is hilarious. Why can't they just make a single goku black unit good 😭
LR Zamasu is like 50 times better, AGL Zamasu doesn't hit as hard but at least doesn't need 5 rainbow orbs to consistently tank and he doesn't sabotage LR Zamasu's transformation.
Right now on Global I dont even think he's close to being in top 10 for TURs genuinely, he really isnt impressive to me and his team is so restrictive. Mine is only 55% but he's a big dmg dealer that extremely reliant on luck. Also he still takes big dmg before supering even with the DR
I get thinking he's luck reliant in base and even a little transformed but even in a suboptimal situation, because of how his stats are multiplicative and him supporting on top of that, he's easily top ten if not top five
His stats just gap everything too much after he supers, him not being great in slot one is definitely an issue but that's just their for normals, after he supers his defense is good enough to eat supers if you get enough attacks
He is just so Bad i dont care what People say. When Broly comes out you will use his Domain not Goku Blacks. You will Probably not use him on the Team anyway because there will be better options. Just a Waste of a Unit who will be forgotten in a few Months simple as that.
@@edwinseda897 Maybe but still his Usability and Team sucks. When more difficult Stages come out like right now on JP he will get destroyed i would compare him to Trunks. When Trunks transforms he is Very Good for 2 Turns and when Rose uses his Domain he is good not great. The Problem is his Base form and Broly when he comes out because you will use his Domain 100% of the time. His biggest Value you can not use. So he sucks and worst Global release i have seen in a long Time.
@@expomkr7506 Mate his Design is bad and what do you mean by new age Supers. When the Anniversery comes to Global every Boss will Kill him. 200 300K with 66% damage reduction is nothing and after he attacks he loses it and what you gonna have 1 million def that is not enough only for normals. And my Point is that all that doesnt even come to consideration because you gonna use Brolys Domain over his. His Base form sucks no orb changing etc. So yeah he is bad simple as that. He will dust in your Box if you pull him in a few months
