Don't Buy The New SpaceX Starlink Standard Dish 

The New Starlink "Standard" Non-Motorized Dish with a kickstand and Router combo is available. Today we look at the price, size, power consumption, and other factors that might have you rethink buying this new Starlink offering even as an RV mobile user. After watching please thumbs-up and leave a comment or simply an emoji so I know that you enjoyed the video. I'm offering networking consultation including Starlink setup help which can find at jcristina.com/product/1-hour-consultation I've linked to products that I use in my Amazon shop: www.amazon.com/shop/jcristina Are you looking for a Static IP address and the ability to do Port Forwarding? Get a massive discount with PureVPN by visiting jcristina.com/vpn Uses Promo Code: JCRISTINA for an additional 15% Off. As promised, here is a list of routers I'm currently recommending: Nighthawk: amzn.to/3DnOKqh TP-Link: amzn.to/3pQC6x3 ASUS: amzn.to/3OoaDw5 Don't forget to join my Newsletter: jcristina.com/join and grab one of my eBooks FREE just for being here: jcristina.com/books Super Chats And All Channel Donations Are Warmly Welcome! Thank You! Speedify.com get 20% OFF when using Promo Code: JCRISTINA at checkout or simply go to my direct link: jcristina.com/speed I truly hope you enjoy the video and find value in it! If so, please consider Thumbs Up, Subscribe, and Becoming A Member Of The Channel! For Media & Business Relations Contact 📧 jcristina.com/contact Thank you for supporting the channel! Are you interested in any products that I personally use? Visit www.amazon.com/shop/jcristina or go to the bottom of this description for direct links. If you would like to get a FREE copy of the Prologue to "How To Create A Digital Fort Knox - Backing Up Your Digital Life" or one of my other FREE books, visit jcristina.com/books Consider subscribing to the channel, commenting below, and signing up for my newsletter at jcristina.com/join Highlighted Starlink Hardware I Have Tested In The Past: Ubiquiti amzn.to/3qC554s NetGate amzn.to/3cXiTTv Peplink amzn.to/3OnTsHM UTT Router amzn.to/3nJBLaL TP-link Router #1 amzn.to/3IjkyhP TrendNET Router #1 amzn.to/3nVukx0 TrendNET Router #2 amzn.to/3IGxvm2 Small Battery Backup For Starlink - amzn.to/3ScbcrZ TP-link AX Router - amzn.to/3sf2or8 TP-link Managed Switch: amzn.to/3EQJKZy TP-link Outdoor Access Point - amzn.to/3uqDYfP TP-link Indoor Access Point - amzn.to/3rV6Nzk TP-link Control Module (Gigabit) - amzn.to/3rVBqEx For High-Speed Access Points (e.g. Starlink or Cable) TP-Link Control Module (Gigabit) - amzn.to/3rVBqEx TP-Link AC1900 - amzn.to/3Q28y6N [ Social Media & Additional Connections ] 📦 20% Off Everything jcristina.com - Code YT20 🆓 FREE eBook jcristina.com/ebook 🌒 Dark Moon Teas DarkMoonTeas.com 🎬 RU-vid - ru-vid.com 🔖 Twitter - twitter.com/JosephCristina 👀 Instagram - instagram.com/JosephCristina 👨‍💼 LinkedIn - www.linkedin.com/in/josephcristina 📖 Facebook - facebook.com/joseph.cristina 📰 Creative Discord Server - community.jcristina.com [ Equipment Used ] 💎 MB ] ASUS - PRIME X370-PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard - amzn.to/2rmR9LT 💎 CPU ] AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor - amzn.to/2pSCx4S 💎 COOLER ] Corsair Hydro H115i Extreme Liquid CPU Cooler - amzn.to/2rfEpJ2 💎 GPU ] MSI - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Video Card - amzn.to/2rndQ2o 💎 RAM ] Corsair - Vengeance LPX 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3000 - amzn.to/2qo8PIv 💎 SSD ] Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" SSD - amzn.to/2rmXqH8 💎 DISPLAY ] Dell - UltraSharp 34” Curved Monitor - U3415W - amzn.to/2s6pvTs 💡 Video Lighting - amzn.to/2qrDOnH 🎬 Sony ZV-1 - amzn.to/3rFkfFj 🎬 Canon EOS R & Kit Lens - amzn.to/3lEZIC2 🎙 Tascam Mic w/Recorder - amzn.to/39Xb50C 🎙 Electro-Voice RE-20 - amzn.to/37SoBQt 🎙 Zoom H4n Recorder - amzn.to/3oyF2bh 🎙 dbx 286s Compressor - amzn.to/39SLTYY The above are my Amazon affiliate links - If you purchase anything using the links above, you're supporting this channel at no additional cost to you! I appreciate your support!

I've had my gen 2 dish since June of 2022. The service has only gotten better over time. I use roughly 1.5 TB a month. I've had no issues with live streaming or gaming. Overall it's been one of the best ISPs I've had. Even better than Xfinity when I lived in the city.

Original dish, early beta tester. Still going strong through many Wyoming winters. I like the idea of fewer moving parts, thus even more reliable. Higher power almost certainly to power the additional antennas. It has to be able to go further off optimal angle in some cases, and now it can only do that via beamforming with stronger signals to compensate for lobing losses.

As usual, J, perfect content and delivery…. For all experienced and new SL customers, we thank you. BTW, I have the mobile backpack, with “standard” set up for mobile subscription. I have used the for work off a roofed porch hotels, parking lots, woods, building roofs, etc. I am wary of losing the automated set up where the motor moves the dish to the best spot per location. I do not have to fiddle around for hours pointing the dish. Motorized works better when there is not complete clear sky. And, depending on time of day and sats overhead, it will adjust to keep signal and improve it. Lower power draw is better. Many of the times in use for mobile, I am using smaller solar generator to power the mobile kit. It will last for more than 13 hours (or much more) with no sun to recharge. Even cloudy days is enough to recharge plus run system. Adding more power to allocate may dictate larger solar cells and generator for mobile apps. Here is what I think…. Test them both in mobile setting. Same exact location. Might have to do test back to back (possible interference with two close together). Make the test where the sky is not 100% unobstructed from SL perspective. See how they compare in set up/tuning, and performance. I volunteer to bring mine to FL and test at a location with you J. We should figure out a way to get a new mobile set up for testing. We will be in your neck of the woods early December for short time. And during month of Feb-first half of March. Let me know if this makes sense.

I think it's hard to beat the autonomous self aiming antenna for signal strength and ease of deployment

You're forgetting 3 important things: - Articulation was absolutely necessary when there were many times fewer satellites in the air, and they were harder to find. - SpaceX does not like unnecessary moving parts, so if adding more antennas and a wider view will work, then they will do that, and it will only improve as they add thousands more satellites over time. - Once the stationary panel has a wide enough field of view to match the available satellites, it seems to be better as indicated by its use for commercial connections, and Musk's claim that his own aircrafts connection tends to have impeccable speed and reliability. Edit: Independent engineering analysts suspected that they were subsidizing the cost of the original antennas, due to the cost associated with phased array antennas usually more common for military uses etc than residential.

You get a wider field of view, you can use it while moving (not recommended with the motor) you get the ethernet (already $30 off), it is lighter and way easier to handle, got a 24V dc plug, got a detachable cable (not fixed as the old model) and I think way worth the money. Also, as it is a phase array inside, orienting electronically I could not care less how much Space X has to pay (they are paying on top anyway) because the build cost has nothing to do with the consumer price. I think the new model is the better one, as test show faster downloads even while moving and not perfectly aligned.

Hi JCristina! Thanks for your informative videos! When Starlink started sending out the round dish and then the first rectangular dish, the cost to produce was quoted at maybe $3000 per unit. It was projected to reduce over time, I have not heard for a while what their cost per unit is now. Maybe at this point each unit is still sold at a loss, so maybe it's still a deal. I got my rectangular dish in February 2022, later that year the motors froze and could not change position even though degraded service was still adequate (I use it on my RV) After complaining to Customer Service, they sent another unit at no charge (and asked to return the original). My take is that the motors are a complication (Musk: The best part is no part) that increases the cost to Starlink. I agree that the increased power requirement is an issue for many RV'rs, especially dry camping. I hope they can reduce the power comsumption in the future. Thanks Max

I'm a RVer I have the gen 3 the one with the kick stand. I do not know but I have been told that the speed is faster but I really do not know if this is true or not. Being a RVer we have had places where we could not get a clear site of the sky but we were able to watch TV , streaming , and email with very little problems. Most of the time we have to place it some distance from our motorhome in order to get a better shot between the trees and this seems to work out better for us being able to do this. Seems like in the past people want to setup underneath trees everywhere , but with satellite internet its a bigger problem. I will order a longer cable so that this will give up better places to get signals. My wife is a gamer so when shooting between trees the 6 to 20 mbps seems not to work unless there is a somewhat clearing to the sky.

100% agreed. I like how much more simpler and thinner it is but like you said it has the big con of it not having the rotation mechanism. I also do agree it should be cheaper because it doesn't have the self-adjusting system. I do agree that this might be good for somebody who has an RV, plane or boat. Yeah I also am a little bit skeptical because I don't know how it'll do if it's mounted in a singular place. At least on an RV and a boat because they are much lower in the atmosphere compared to a plane. So I could see how a plane might perform better than residential or RV and boat.

Thanks for the thoughtful review. For the last year, we’ve have the standard articulating dish mounted flat on our camper’s roof, which disables the motors. I did a couple of tests before mounting it and found that allowing the dish to aim itself made no significant difference. The more streamlined design of the new dish is great, but I just wish Starlink would offer the router without the router part! Many have reconfigured the articulating system to use 12V power so they can use a low-power 12V router. It would be great to have a dongle that consisted of a power supply and an ethernet port to connect to any router. (But at least this one has a power brick - it’ll be interesting to see what power consumption will be if the power brick is replaced with a 12V buck booster.) With the high monthly cost, the purchase point is not a tipping point. (Especially when we’re all carrying around $1,000 cell phones.) How long until Starlink is bundled with Starlink Cell? :) For me, the decision to get the new dish will hinge mostly on performance. If it’s even better at piercing through tree cover (which is rarely a problem with our current dish) I’d strongly consider it.

Completely agree. I was excited about the new unit and not having to carry the large stand would be a big plus for me but wish there was a DC option. Can't imagine using the new version and fuss with trying to align on a pole but while traveling/camping, the new one have great potential but not worth the extra spending to trade it until they come out with a no stand and DC option.

Hi. I took the motorised one. Just bought the ethernet adapter. I bypassed the Starlink router with a TP-Link Archer AX55 to get better wifi performance for my tablet and my smartphone and other accessories. Every other connections, is with cable Rj45 Cat7. Thanks for your video. Hello from brussels, BELGIUM.

I'm coming up on my first full winter with Starlink. I usually get 2 or 3 snowfalls of nearly 2 feet so I have dishy on a 3 foot pole on the roof of a 2 story house. If the heater can't keep up with a brisk snowfall, I can put it into the nearly vertical stow mode momentarily to clear the face. Not going to be able to do that with the fixed one.

Where did you get the model (.stp file) for the Gen 3 router? Thank you, Sir.

I'm a trucker. The roof of my sleeper is fiberglass, and any antenna I'd use will be mounted up against the inside of the ceiling, pointing (more or less) straight up. Since price isn't a factor, I'll likely go with the new dish due to its wider field of view. The inside unit is irrelevant, as I'll go with a direct Ethernet connection via a modded cable. (I'll need to shorten the 50 foot cable by about 40 feet.)

Great Info! Out of curiosity what software do you use for video editing?

Here in New Mexico, after you conveniently set your new dish on a table, you may come back an hour later and have to follow the cables across your lawn to track down where your dish sailed away to. That's true with most states in the West. The wind blows and at times blows hard. Even sandbagging it would be tentative.

I'm thinking of getting the Flat High Performance dish for better heavy rain performance. Do you think this new dish is as good as the flat performance dish? Also I like the High Performance (Not Flat) dish as well because it will use my current eve mount on my house. So I'm between the Flat High Performance and the High Performance dish currently. Have you tested these? Awesome video btw.

I currently own two of the second Gen dish and I can tell you that I can totally see how everything has improved over time. I don't see this new dish being better than the second gen, so I won't be upgrading. I agree with everything you say, it doesn't feel like an upgrade, plus I enjoy the convenience of the dish to automatically adjust itself.

My thought is they kept the price the same as the other units so that people wouldn't buy the wrong dish for them just because of the price. Unless I was going to be mobile, I would not buy the new unit. Even then, the self-actuating unit is not that much of a burden to take with you in an RV.

I’m SO HAPPY I purchased the 2nd Gen 2 months before they first changed the price (mine is locked in at discounted $90 rate) about 3 months ago! I decided to mount it to the eves on the side of my roof and will most likely purchase a mobile high performance unit if needed. Also picked up an ASUS AX11000 PRO GT using its 10g WAN port. I originally set it up on my front lawn and was experiencing about 15% obstructions (bottom portion hitting top of trees) but since we put it on the roof its been super fast and NO spinning wheel of death. I LOVE MY GEN 2 for its built in snow melt heater and self articulation! Thanks J for creating great content for everyone to enjoy all while getting the best info needed to make the best informed decision. (I am also located in New England and the dish pretty much stays at its original 33 degrees NE).

We RV with our Starlink, often times it is quite heavily wooded. We use a 30 foot telescopic pole and let the dishy do its thing! Can’t imagine using the other one too much.

I would just prefer to use Disy v2 with Router v3. Give me that option please>>>

I would love to know if there is a data connection (speed or stability) advantage between the first generation dishes compared to the new one.

I think that these dished actually cost Starlink more than $1000. They are selling these at a loss to get you to signup. They eventually make up the different through monthly fees. So I think that why the two dishes are priced the same.

"Not $599 hardware." Based on the wider scan angle, the new Standard Dishy has to have more active elements. (This tends to be supported by the higher power consumption.) So the savings from the removal of the mechanical movement is offset by the higher cost of the additional electronics. I'm actually surprised the new Dishy isn't priced higher than the current one.

Is it possible that the higher cost and power requirements is due to a better amplifier being used in the dish? Or is it the router that your saying requires more power. I have Gen2 and will be bypassing Starlink’s router and running it all on 12V and 12V to 48V PoE…

If I was mounting it on my roof then the older one and the new one does need to be cheaper in price. What about the internet speeds like is it enough to play the online game such as world of warcraft?

I've had the Gen 1 Dishy since Feb 2021 and its been great at re-orientating itself. The new router is WiFi 6 which is better than my current WiFi 5 but I have Starlink because our thick stone-wallled house is in the countryside so can't use mesh and the Ethernet ports are important to have my own wired repeaters which are Tri-band WiFi 6 so I have that covered a different way. I think I'll stick for now with Gen 1 Dishy.😊

Given the three actuated dishes that have failed for me, maybe the simpler dish would likely be more reliable. But climbing up two stories to adjust is a PIA. Maybe the kickstand dish with an old fashion antenna rotator would work. Just a thought.

Do you think they are using the higher power to overcome not being able to track the satellites when sending?

Interesting and informative video. I just found out that Starlink is now available in my country - Malaysia- and have been looking for information and reviews on this. Thanks!

As far as adjustment the old direct TV dishes had to be aligned on poles and roofs. One thing you didn't consider on the price, since the new dish is bigger and requires more power my thinking is that it has more cells or is a stronger receiver and transmitter to compensate for being slightly off alignment. So you may actually be getting more for the money

When I manage my starlink on a pole I found an antenna pole that slid right inside the bottom of the starlink Mast and I used two Automotive hose clamps it's been that way for a couple of months it's rock steady

thank you for our reviews. really helped. i will settle for the second gen. i loved it when i saw it could alter itself, so reduces the stress to find out it wasnt aligned to do so manually

I wonder if the new router is compatible with the articulated dishs, also, wonder if the router has upgraded wifi, or, other features we don't know about yet ...............

If you are in RV out of cell coverage, how would you optimize the new dish.

I bought the Grn 3 last night, w kickstand. You made great points. Reconsidering to cancel and repurchase for the G2 dish.

I was thinking about buying one for work vehical. Which one and will a 12V inverter power it?

I wonder if it’s possible to use the motorized gen 2 dish with the new router.

One possible explanation for the higher power usage (wattage) is the snow melt system. I live in Colorado and have noticed some reduction in performance during heavy snow with our articulating gen2 dish. SpaceX may have increased the snowmelt ability of the dish by using higher capacity heaters?

0115 Hi, I'm a first time buyer of the Starlink and live on the westcoast, in Oregon. They offered a $200.00 reduction for 1st time customers within their "geotarget area " . The surprise was I didn't get to choose the Starlink Actuater, they told me they automatically give the customer the Standard kickstand dish Kit. I was told this was the only option because it's the newer, upgraded version. Cost was $299.00 + $20.00 to ship. I'll install it at the coastal home. Please note, they could have threw in the dish pole adapter for free so one wouldn't have to purchase it. I feel the kickstand isn't a very good feature to mount onto the roof, especially if you need to resadjust it occassionally. They give you the dish but point you towards Accessory purchases just to mount the unit. After seeing your review, I'm rethinking how I'll attatch this kickstand feature to the roof, so I can have the ability to adjust it if needed. Make my own locking swivel base?!! Thanks!

Is the orientation set up, done once and forget it? Or even without any perturbation to dishy from time to time is necessary reorientation?

I’m thinking about installing one in my boat, but I’m in doubt about how the gen 2 actuators would work on a boat. Do you think the antenna will keep realigning as the boat moves, even at anchor? I’m abroad and here they still sell the gen 2 antenna. The less power hungry gen 2 is a plus, but I don’t know if this is the best option (due to the presence of the motors) or if it’s better to wait for the gen 3 antenna. Disabling the motors would not be the ideal solution for me as I intend to also use the antenna at my house.

So do they discontinue the previous dish when they make a new one if so I would want them to allow us to get the og dish it seems to be best performing one.

What about maintenance/replacement of the motors. I'm in St. Louis MO and it gets very cold and things that move, don't after a while. Good thoughts on the diffidence's of the unites. I'm getting ready to buy. Keep up the good channel.

Ive had the 2nd gen dish for 4 months now its beautiful! non peak hrs pulling 250+ mbps peak hrs drops between 20-60 mbps but never any buffering or loss of service. I did purchase a 3rd party router for wifi 6 though

I bought the new version and love it - best internet we've ever had here in NW corner of Illinois. I like the fact there are no motors simply because they can fail & then what do you have? I thought of the positioning of the dish before installation and decided mounting it on a mast attached to our 2nd floor deck post was the better idea than the roof, just in case it would need to be re-aligned. In addition, we had a very heavy, wet snowfall that the heater couldn't keep up with. A simple wipe off by hand without a ladder took care of that. As for your pricing issue... since when is any product priced according to production cost? It's a non-issue as far as I'm concerned and more related to a lack of competition than anything else. Being a technology leader has its advantages. I don't think Teslas are priced according to actual cost either but that's one reason Musk is as wealthy as he is.

I want the old version but with Ethernet. What dongle would I need to add my access point with the older version?

I think more emphasis should be brought to bear that there are more Active Elements on the larger Sq inch dish that will improve reception both in angle of view, and clouds / tree cover. That would also account for the additional power usage. And put less emphasis on lack of motor movement. That would also account why no change in price. ie: more electronics, less mechanical = same price, more reliable.

I'm in the process of ordering Starlink but wanted to see more of your videos before deciding on the final product. After watching this video, you now have me thinking of which dish I would be better off with. I plan on installing this on the roof where I have the Viasat dish and mount still there after cancelling that service several months ago. However, after viewing the Starlink Residential Service Plans, the only choice available for a dish is the new recommended standard dish (unless I'm missing something). The previous one is no longer on the web page. Plus with this new dish I'll have to visit the Starlink shop and order the proper mount(s). Thanks for the video!!

Our dish direction is northwest from South Missouri. Also been getting a buzzing noise from dishy. Contacted support and they say this is normal. Haven't noticed any connection or performance issues. I agree with the new kits. Great video.

Jay, is it possible to place a new order and purchase the Gen 2 system ? And know that is what you’re getting ?

I got a question JCristina first off i would not want to buy a fix dish the motorized version is plug and play don’t have to go outside and move it, the motorized one dose it for you. Second if you buy SpaceXStarlink do you have to start paying the monthly bill 120.00 when you receive it or only when it activate, reason i say this is just had knee replacement and won’t be climbing any latter in the near future just to install. Just though i buy it now put up when i heal up

Here in Australia, where I live, I've watched mine change position at least 3-4 times a day as it tracks satellites for the best signal. It will be a complete pain if I have to get up on my roof every few hours to adjust the dish to maintain the best signal. I'm still annoyed that if you want to use the new router, it's not directly compatible with gen 2.

Just setup my fixed transceiver. The obstruction part of my app was not above orange on anything. Im doing 20ms 200-300mb down and 15+mb upload.. So far- Its been much better than my Xfinity. No rj45's for my network is a bit of an issue, but I can work around it for now. So far, I am amazed and couldnt be happier considering the price.

I checked out a couple of RV life videos and they took their starlink dish and basically it's mounted flat on the roof of their rig. It's pointing straight up and they're getting good service. With the size of the constellation nowadays I don't see any reason to go through all the nonsense. You just need to fabricate a housing for it to make sure it's secure in that flat upward position and you're done.

Hi J., I won't look for my speed, and recognized I couldn't, it showed me (Starlink-Disconnected, Router-Disconnected) I have no idea what's going on, do you!?

I have been watching your channel and waiting for this new dish to be available, but now I really need more concrete evidence on its operation and performance. Thank you Jay for posting this info. Please keep the updates coming, I am only getting 1.5 mb and getting very anxious.

Buy the hardware that suits your use case. The roam package can be paused, the cheaper residential subscription can't. Is the additional power consumption all to do with the new dish format, or is a significant proportion of that related to the Gen 3 router that it comes with?

Thank you so much! I was just getting ready to buy a mobile starling,😅

Really glad I bought two awhile back one for standard one for roam at 199$ cdn each. Although to deactivate mobile now, they charge you 80$ a pop each time you re -activate. I think the flat new ones are good for the people wanting to integrate ( mount) to the roof of there campers. Today 46 down 7.7 up

I have gen one And i always Tilt in a Pacific direction. That means I can make it tilt towards North or the South. But I noticed there's more Satellites north so I make it point towards north

I'm getting the version 2, here in the french countryside. Last of these units at 250 euros, on sale, with the ethernet adapter at 40 euros, standard monthly of 40 euros. I have to fix mine on top of the chimney and so your info was crucial to my situation, well done and thank you. PS, my adsl is the same per month and gives me, at best, 5 Mbit down and 1 Mbit up - I'm hoping to see some considerable improvement.

Is it possible to buy the new router as the main one with the ethernet built-in and Wi-Fi 6 and use the existing main router as a mesh system

If the output from the AC to DC Adapter is 12 to 13.8 Volts, then the modem can be directly powered by vehicle accessory power.

As an RV'er, I have the 2nd gen with the motor and I really like just setting it out and it adjusts by itself. I wouldn't want to have to point it. There are times when mine moves to get better reception. I'm not going to go outside and move my dish every time it needs to be moved because a satellite change is needed. Great video Thanks for making it. :)

No, the new antenna does not have to cost less just because there are fewer (as in no) moving parts. I have a Gen 3. I’ll be using it for RV and travel use. It can and will be run on 12V without the use of a inverter. Plus, I never point the antenna in any specific direction when I setup. The antenna is mounted to my RV and is pointing straight up. It has worked perfectly each time.

I am glad they got rid of the stupid right-angle connections on the cables. I had to cut a 1" hole in my wall to fit the cable through using the old one.

Since there's so few sats in Alaska , you'd prefer the V2 is this correct?

You give great information 👍

Absolutely spot on.. you are 100% correct

my early beta version still working fine old round one should I upgrade ??

I got an offer for the new Gen 3 unit yesterday. I'm considering getting the new unit because it offers WiFi 6 and should have 3x-4x higher speeds. But, your comments about the superiority of the Gen 2 with motors is a great point. I have mine on a pole and so I could easily have alignment problems and have to twist the pole like it's 1963 all over again. Would you do a video about the speeds of Gen 3 compared to Gen 2? I'm in the Midwest with a lot of customers in my cell and better speeds are always welcome. I have 6 more days to decide if I want to upgrade and get a month of service for free. Thanks

Well, it depends on what percentage of the cost the motors represent. I have a feeling they probably don't represent much; maybe 5% of the cost. Why? Well, these antennas are synthetic aperture, which means hundreds of tiny receivers, each with its own tiny antenna, amplifier, tuner, and a programmable nano-second delay line, so as to point the phase coherent angle to the exact spot in the sky you're communicating with by adjusting the delays dynamically. That all has quite a bit of cost; I don't even understand how they manage to make it as cheap as they do. Synthetic aperture was only used by militaries, before SpaceX. Having said that, I would have put a discount on the motor-less unit, just for the aesthetics.

The units are still heavily discounted compared to their manufacture cost. At least with the new one you’ve latest WiFi and phased array tech and because this is meant for RV use so many installs serving flat on the roof of their truck anyway, so the motors are actually a hindrance.

Travelling with RV, campervan or yacht normally you would have to drill a hole in the back once it centers and unplug the motor so it lays flat as you mount it in an accessible location on deck or camper roof the new dish lays flat and is more aerodynamic. I agree I would not use the new one for permanent household use but think as it states for roaming and RV its better - My option. Thanks for your videos and chats always interesting

Dish Network got smart as they matured, and moved to leasing the equipment. What that did for Dish Network was allow the equipment to remain on the books, increasing the accrued assets of the company, allowing Dish to obtain secured assets loans which they used to build even more dishes, and fund the building and launching of more satellites and ground stations, which allowed them to add Locals via use of regional spot beam technology which allowed the reuse of the same transponder downlink frequencies multiple times for local tv channel distribution across the USA.

No. I’m definitely 100% not going to “upgrade”. Should mention too that with the actuated receiver, not only will it align itself in the background for best connection, it can sense when snow or ice accumulates on it and will automatically run the melt function. This is FANTASTIC tech for me where I live. Especially seeing how it’s mounted 3 stories up. Won’t have to worry about in any weather. Not sure if this new one has that or not.

Where can I research Gen 4 dish and using it on a boat in the Great Lakes? I hear you talking about RV’s for nomads…what about boats? They continually move around. What is your take on the Gen 4 and being on a boat at anchor?

Good points . Let’s hope they don’t discontinue the motorized dishes!

So the question that comes to mind - is if the old one consumes less power, but has to power the motors to move it, why is the new one more expensive to operate? It's an antenna - it sits there.

I wonder if the new router is backward compatible with Gen 2? For purposes of port.

I have it and it is excellent. Works perfectly!

What happens if I put in on a sloped roof ( most roofs are sloped ) will is slide off especially in high wind?

I’ve had my Starlink for a little over a year now and love it. It’s on top of a 16 foot pole, so there’s no way I could easily get to it to change the alignment. It has changed position at least three times since I went live.

How about if there is no Internet connection where you are installing the dish? How to adjust the position without internet connection?

Mine is out of line 11°. I didn’t bother going back on the roof to fix it and it’s working fine. I’m in the backwoods too. I think the fact that the wider angle of the new satellite makes it capable of not needing to be redirected. If I’m off 11° in the woods and it is still operating perfectly kinda makes sense.

chat should i get the gen 3 router and satellite?

Great video. For me, the roaming service works best...problem I have had is unplugging it multiple times and having issues with the Gen 2 cord. I have had my gen 2 replaced by Starlink 3 times due to problems with the cord. Send out a new cord to find out the internal connection on the dish is damaged. Could be a damaged cord or damaged connector on the dish. While I wasn't happy with the price of the new Gen 3, I purchased solely on the new RJ45 type connection. That said, I wish they would have just kept with the Gen 2 actuated unit and re-designed the connection method. The Gen 2 problem is with the roaming function. Leaving the Gen 2 plugged in at your home and never unplugging it solves the problem of constantly traveling and needing to disconnect and reconnect the unit. The Gen 2 cord/plug is a big weakness.

can you use the GEN2 dish and a GEN3 router?

Great video Joseph. Keep them coming

I like the motorized (2nd gen), I’d be concerned about anchoring of the kickstand for high winds, than if for some reason you have to re orient the dish you’d have to drill new holes on your roof, and this one anchors real solid,and I wonder if the new one has a built in heater. Just something to add which has nothing to do with this particular conversation, but I noticed one person talking about his dish buzzing and was wondering if anyone else’s does, mine also buzzes.

I believe I want the one with the tracking ability and i will pay for the dongle. Thanks for all the great work you do.

How much money did it save Starlink in reducing the actuator positioning?

I have the second generation and is mounted on the roof secured by bolts. The wind blows here quite fierce in the Spring. Since this antenna is solidly mounted and the dish orients itself I do not worry about dish moving out of alignment. SpaceX has changed the dish orientation over time, started out oriented NNW and has migrated to NNE over the past two years and likely has been reoriented to other positions I was unaware of. I am in central NM. The new version dish may be an advantage for mobile operators to quickly orient and move their dish and its large surface area able to overcome obscured sky by trees or buildings.

also one more thing ... dont forget the fact that starlink is paying almost 3000 usd for the hardware and maybe removing the motor save's them cost and maybe they secured the same connection speed with this direct fixed position

If you don’t mount it to a pole, What’s going to keep it from blowing away?

I have G2 two antennas in different houses and no issues, and now I received an offer for the Gen 2 for $350 $99 a month. This came up on Facebook this week.