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V tail Bonanza escapes Johnson Creek - 2 pm. Light south winds 90 degree F.
This video had about 150 views total until late Sept 2023 and for some reason went totally viral. Yes it has a click bait title but that was not my intention. If you fly in and out of mountain strips you must understand density altitude. Density altitude is effected by elevation, temperature and humidity. There are less air molecules at altitude and on hotter days to create lift under the wing and produce compression within the cylinders of the engine. Consequently the performance of the wing and engine are reduced as the density altitude is increased. Humidity effects density altitude because the vaporized water displaces the air molecules further reducing lift and compression in the engine.
Johnson Creek (3U2) sits at an elevation of 5000 feet and 3500 feet long. It is in the heart of the Frank Church Wilderness in Idaho. It is a spectacular place to camp, hike, fish, and commune with nature. It is a focal point in the Frank Church Wilderness with a rich history. Mountain Flying caries more risk in part due to density altitude and needs to be factored into one's risk assessment. With proper training, proficiency and education much of the risk can be mitigated. Many of the strips have non standard approaches often with no option for a go around or rejected takeoff. I have other videos on this channel that show a lot backcountry strips in Idaho, Montana, Oregon, and Washington. I have a CFII/MEI and stay active instructing in a variety of aircraft and am very passionate about about aviation..
This video is instructional to anyone wanting to learn about Density Altitude. The temperature was over 90 degree F this afternoon and it was unusually humid. There was a 5-10 knot quartering tailwind. The DA was about 8200 feet that day. Runway 35 is standard departure from Johnson Creek. The 35 Bonanza was loaded with 4 adults. . Unknown how much fuel or baggage was onboard. I doubt he was in a turbocharged aircraft. When we heard the engine start and taxi down toward the departure end of 35 we were all surprised. Most people do not fly in the afternoons in Idaho and the general recommendations among most seasoned mountain/canyon pilots is to be down on the ground by 11-11:30 AM. Certainly on cooler days you can fly later and on hotter days you may need to get down sooner. Fly early and fly light.
This pilot did a good job once airborne not to stall the airplane. He kept the nose down and contoured the terrain. I believe he wisely headed up the canyon to gain lift created by updrafts on the northwest walls. I agree he should have deployed 10-20 degrees of flaps on the departure. Maybe flown out solo at first to test the conditions. A wiser decision would have been to wait until it cooled off. Below is a video of a loaded Stinson departing from Bruce Meadows with 4 people that crashed into the trees on the departure end in 2012 luckily not killing anyone. Every year people die because they do not factor DA into their flight planning.
• Airplane Crash In-Cock...
Hope this answers most of the questions. Safe Flying for Everyone and Support the RAF (Recreational Aviation Foundation) and IAA (Idaho Aviation Association).

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@TeamFish15
@TeamFish15 11 месяцев назад
“There’s airplane skeletons out there in those bushes for a reason.”😂🤣😂
@Roddy556
@Roddy556 4 месяца назад
Bonanzas: Doctor killers lol
@FS2K4Pilot
@FS2K4Pilot 4 месяца назад
Not really that funny.
@marcoeland3405
@marcoeland3405 4 месяца назад
@@Roddy556absolutely not for this reason though.
@kehreazerith3016
@kehreazerith3016 4 месяца назад
@@FS2K4Pilot snowflake
@Roddy556
@Roddy556 3 месяца назад
@@marcoeland3405 it still applies. Person has an expensive plane, is probably used to being in charge, and does something cocky/stupid. Someone who has less money and more passion/experience will often fly better.
@jackx4311
@jackx4311 11 месяцев назад
I was serving in the RAF, stationed in Malta, and one autumn, a hell of a storm blew up (they had to load a C130 on a dispersal pan to the max, chain her down, park two fire tenders in front of her as a windbreak, and she was *still* bouncing around like a pea on a drum). So I'm walking through the camp, leaning into the wind at a crazy angle to stop from being blown over, and I see a pilot from 39 Squadron (Photo Recon.) coming towards me. "Not taking the Canberra up today, Bob?", I asked. "Some days, Jack", he replied, "even the *birds* are walking!" Ain't that the truth.
@Jason-iz6ob
@Jason-iz6ob 10 месяцев назад
It’s funny, I was reading that normally (well normally to me) but when it got to the quotes my inner monologue switched to a British accent….
@louisvanrijn3964
@louisvanrijn3964 10 месяцев назад
Great. Only pilots understand your comment...and try to imagine a 180 degree taxi turn-struggle to line up the runway, for instance...
@MrMarkguth
@MrMarkguth 10 месяцев назад
That’s a good story mate 🇦🇺
@asquare9316
@asquare9316 9 месяцев назад
Nice story, first heard the punchline in the early 60s, an old pilots saying.
@jackx4311
@jackx4311 9 месяцев назад
@@asquare9316 - and as true now as it was when it was first said (quite possibly over 100 years ago).
@dasdguy7606
@dasdguy7606 11 месяцев назад
Her sandwich is making me hungry.
@dogismycoolpilot9662
@dogismycoolpilot9662 11 месяцев назад
Love this comment. Very funny.
@KremitDeFrog
@KremitDeFrog 11 месяцев назад
that's funny, her drink was making me thirsty..
@AM-dw2eq
@AM-dw2eq 11 месяцев назад
@@KremitDeFrogher milkshake brought me to the yard
@petesmith9472
@petesmith9472 10 месяцев назад
These pretzels are making me thoisty
@5161estel
@5161estel 10 месяцев назад
Thanks, now I'm hungry.
@tysidaho
@tysidaho 4 месяца назад
He didn't turn left right away so as to 1. avoid turning sooner than necessary, 2. to position on one side of the canyon to allow room for a shallow left banking turn if necessary to turn around, 3. to avoid a head on with any inbound aircraft. Though flying a V-Tail Doctor Killer, he handled it well.
@Sammyb_rc
@Sammyb_rc 3 месяца назад
1. the "doctor killer" is a perfectly safe plane. 2. youre never turning around in that valley at that altitude and height agl. its just not an option thats why they call it "the impossible turn" under 700ft. 3. nobody is coming head on. planes takeoff and land in the same direction if you haven't noticed
@xX_Gravity_Xx
@xX_Gravity_Xx 2 месяца назад
​@@Sammyb_rc I think I may be missing something, but I'm confused as to what you think is going here.
@FlightData101
@FlightData101 Месяц назад
“… he handled it well.” I just spat coffee all over my screen. Getting lucky is not the same as handling it well. A more appropriate analysis would be something like, “he was fortunate to be able to crawl out from the massive safety hole he dug for himself”.
@robertboykin1828
@robertboykin1828 11 месяцев назад
how bout flaps ? I don't remember seeing them.
@ogerry31
@ogerry31 Месяц назад
Incredible write-up in the description. Thanks for that
@dogismycoolpilot9662
@dogismycoolpilot9662 Месяц назад
I appreciate you taking the time to read it. I can't tell you how many comments I get on this page regarding information that is contained within the description. Appreciate the kind feedback. It really is a great training video for Density Altitude.
@panagea2007
@panagea2007 9 дней назад
I thought we were watching the world's fastest lawnmower.
@goneflying140
@goneflying140 11 месяцев назад
Shouldnt you have flaps set for a soft field departure? That was a close one!!
@cdncitizen4700
@cdncitizen4700 11 месяцев назад
... even build up speed... THEN apply flaps partway down the runway for lift... either way, pilot had NO margin for recovery there.
@ianb4801
@ianb4801 11 месяцев назад
Density altitude issue, if anything. That strip isn't soft and likely is not even wet - with watering in progress nearby.
@M21-w1y
@M21-w1y 11 месяцев назад
@@cdncitizen4700he’s fine😂😂😂
@The46Chief
@The46Chief 10 месяцев назад
For whatever reason Beech omitted the use of flaps for takeoff in the POH.
@paulciprus9582
@paulciprus9582 11 месяцев назад
Always go early in the morning……cool air provides much better lift…and the cooler dense air makes more power…..glad my dad never flew his Bonanzas like that….😊😊
@oggyoggy1299
@oggyoggy1299 9 месяцев назад
Planes take off all hours of the day & night.
@paulciprus9582
@paulciprus9582 9 месяцев назад
A smart pilot leaves in the early morning with cool air…I don’t care if they leave all day long….we never left in the hot air of the afternoon….my dad was smarter than that….😀
@paulciprus9582
@paulciprus9582 5 месяцев назад
Not at high density altitude they don’t….thats how you die…it’s apparent that you don’t know much about flying
@williampotts3201
@williampotts3201 5 дней назад
why do i continue to see "don't do this" videos from this airstrip?
@DavidKozinski
@DavidKozinski 11 месяцев назад
Wonder what the density altitude was and his weight.
@dogismycoolpilot9662
@dogismycoolpilot9662 11 месяцев назад
The DA was about 8200 feet on takeoff. The airplane was loaded with 4 adults - not sure about the amount of fuel. I thought he might have been in a turbocharged airplane when he first started the roll but could tell he wasn't after making an anemic ground run. I am going to guess this pilot learned his lesson after his balls were riding high in the back of his throat clearing that terrain. My Skywagon on a cool morning can climb straight over the hill directing in front of runway 35 just for some reference. Similar engine in a 35 Bonanza. The Skywagon is a better climbing airplane but a Bonanza would normal ease off the runway at Johnson Creek with cooler temps. Good lesson for anyone regarding DA (density altitude). Why I posted the video.
@DavidKozinski
@DavidKozinski 11 месяцев назад
After googling the airport that is some very rough retain to fly around. I would double check all my numbers before taking off. Great video. @@dogismycoolpilot9662
@dr_jaymz
@dr_jaymz 11 месяцев назад
I would say both too high. But there is no point in climbing at best angle if you don't have to, he's gaining airspeed and then doing a gentle climb. But its obviously not got excessive power because he used 10 miles of runway.
@thud9797
@thud9797 11 месяцев назад
4 adults? Seems irresponsible.
@davidbrayshaw3529
@davidbrayshaw3529 11 месяцев назад
DA 8200? Wow! You'd be lucky to launch a child's kite in a 20 knot wind, wouldn't you? If you could, you'd be well and truly out of breath by the time it took flight.@@dogismycoolpilot9662
@HailAnts
@HailAnts 13 дней назад
When I read *Beechcraft V-Tail* I thought for sure it would be a crash..
@gta4ever3003
@gta4ever3003 2 месяца назад
Watch out 4 density altitude ;-)
@kenpeck5930
@kenpeck5930 Месяц назад
I don't know the short/soft take off procedures in a v-tail bonanza, but I didn't see any flaps which are usually a part of a short/soft field take off.
@karhukivi
@karhukivi 24 дня назад
It wasn't a short field, more like a density altitude situation with a loaded aircraft.
@Pilotc180
@Pilotc180 3 месяца назад
Another pilot who never belongs at Johnson Creek
@donmunro2054
@donmunro2054 3 месяца назад
Density altitude take off with passengers. On rotation, 1)gear up to eliminate drag, 2) increase airspeed and finally turn out and climb, standard procedure
@alexhazelwood1616
@alexhazelwood1616 9 месяцев назад
Little did they know the Pilot has over 10,000 hours flight time in GTA5
@dogismycoolpilot9662
@dogismycoolpilot9662 9 месяцев назад
I think this pilot was actually quite skilled. The way he contoured the hills flying northerly toward higher terrain took good airmanship/mountain flying experience. If you know this pilot or are the pilot I would love to hear about this flight from that perspective. I wish I could say that I have made perfect ADM (Aeronautical decision making) choices every time I flew but I would be lying. We all need to learn from our mistakes I am going to post this video on BeechTalk once it hits 1 million views. Just for fun. Hopefully find the pilot. My hope is this video will serve as an instructional source for everyone to learn about DA.
@jamesa5720
@jamesa5720 5 месяцев назад
Well, 10,000 hours did not help him choose a plane suited for those conditions and terrain.
@bobwall6673
@bobwall6673 4 месяца назад
Super cool spot! I flew in last summer. Would never roll out at 2pm and 90 degrees. Just not enough margin to absorb any errors.
@Workerbee-zy5nx
@Workerbee-zy5nx 11 месяцев назад
Density altitude is a factor here..too much runway being used.
@Skank_and_Gutterboy
@Skank_and_Gutterboy 11 месяцев назад
That's what I was thinking, 90F day and he sure used a lot of runway. I think I'd wait until tomorrow at first light.
@jimmydulin928
@jimmydulin928 11 месяцев назад
If level in low ground effect takeoff is not default, the extra acceleration energy of low ground effect will not be there when we need it. Gear is as much drag when rolling on wheels as when in low ground effect so does not have to come up quickly, or can if needed. Planning and waiting is better but default low ground effect is a good technique for disorganized or impatent pilots as well.
@dogismycoolpilot9662
@dogismycoolpilot9662 11 месяцев назад
Jim. I agree this pilot had some skill. But he made a bad decision to takeoff at the highest DA of the day with a quartering tailwind in a loaded Bonanza with 4 adults. Good technique with a low ground effect takeoff. Good choice to head up the canyon and get some lift off the ridge from the southeasterly winds. But that’s just not good ADM. Not a lot of margin. My guess is this pilot was sweating balls after he was wheels up and this flight scared the bejesus out of him. I put it up on the channel so that people could really see the effect of DA on performance and hopefully launch on cool mornings with light loads. Give yourself lots of margin.
@jimmydulin928
@jimmydulin928 11 месяцев назад
Yes, Josh, you are correct. I assumed he was taking off down drainage as well. Crop dusting I worked low ground effect to near the limit, but I was always single pilot.@@dogismycoolpilot9662
@dwaynemcallister7231
@dwaynemcallister7231 9 месяцев назад
Sometimes a pilot gets away with it but when it's this close to disaster just wait for better conditions. If this is how the pilot always fly's he will come to a point were some unexpected wind goes against him, more margin needed I think. @@dogismycoolpilot9662
@jimmydulin928
@jimmydulin928 5 месяцев назад
@@dogismycoolpilot9662 I would have liked to see him use elevator to get up six inches and level in low ground earlier, but complex guys don't always see than ground effect energy is greater than drag of gear. And that Mooney guy on BCP did both low ground effect and gear up. What pitching up before Vso into low ground effect tells us, should it not happen before mid point, is that we need to abort. And yes, prior planning prevents pitifully poor performance. I was a pipeline patrol pilot. We flew in wind, heat of day, and low ceilings. High DA might require down drainage, as did the Bonanza, and then come back around to the pipeline right of way. Glad this came up again. Miss your comments.
@Bob-j5o3b
@Bob-j5o3b 4 месяца назад
Man, everyone's an effing expert
@speedfinder1
@speedfinder1 7 месяцев назад
Very interesting to see. Thanks for posting! I'm super happy to see that this didn't result in a mishap. I've edited my post as I'm a non pilot and had to educate myself on the phenomenon of "Density Altitude" I think this pilot might be safer if they did a little research like I did. 🤔.
@MegaMech
@MegaMech 4 месяца назад
Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
@nahualito
@nahualito 4 месяца назад
"There are skeletons of planes in the bushes" .. I'm dead this group sounds like such a nice people to be around .. also I just woke up and that sandwich really looks good .. I'm hungry now 🤣
@Scott-kd4gs
@Scott-kd4gs 10 месяцев назад
Doesn’t help to have the sprinklers on
@johnwilson6336
@johnwilson6336 2 месяца назад
So….don’t take off and successfully fly away?
@MrSunrise-
@MrSunrise- 29 дней назад
No margin. If anything goes wrong (there are a lot of them!) he and (more importantly) his three passengers are into the trees. The problem with aviation is that everything looks fine until it isn't.
@johnwilson6336
@johnwilson6336 28 дней назад
@@MrSunrise- good point. Being successful once doesn’t mean every future attempt will also be just as successful.
@deanstanley5799
@deanstanley5799 11 месяцев назад
They say he’s still trying to climb😂
@markfox1545
@markfox1545 11 месяцев назад
They really don't but maybe you'll have an original thought one day.
@jayc4283
@jayc4283 11 месяцев назад
@@markfox1545 you must be fun at a BBQ
@johnschmidt8440
@johnschmidt8440 11 месяцев назад
Good one! I got a good laugh out of that one.
@sammyday3341
@sammyday3341 11 месяцев назад
😂😂😂
@wideopenthrottles-jr3tl
@wideopenthrottles-jr3tl 4 месяца назад
2 yrs after my pilot grandpa died his best friend took me there for their June fly in back in 2004 when I was 9. Never seen such beautiful canyons to through such as those. At least not outside of the central sierra nevada where I'm from in California
@Taskerofpuppets
@Taskerofpuppets 4 месяца назад
Near miss is what that looked like. Beautiful country close to Yellerstone.
@friendlyreptile9931
@friendlyreptile9931 5 месяцев назад
Isnt this the airfield where a midair on short final was filmed? *edit* " If you fly in and out of mountain strips you must understand density altitude."
@SPANKA.
@SPANKA. 2 месяца назад
I vow to listen to experienced aviators, hell even a child when preparing a takeoff. I KNOW the universe gave him a sign not to take off.
@randallstewart8487
@randallstewart8487 9 месяцев назад
Density Altitude,the difference between a great day,and a very bad day!
@BrandonPrive1432
@BrandonPrive1432 11 месяцев назад
i was curious if your video getting picked up in late sept has anything to do with Cleetus Mcfarland recent plane race videos that came out at the end of september, the terrain kind of looks the same, sometimes the youtube algorithm picks up videos in semi common like that, i'd be curious to know from your youtube stats page if it got picked and views started pouring in right around sept 30th cause your video got recommended to me and literally the only other plane video i've watched is cleetus mcfarlands videos from end of september.
@dogismycoolpilot9662
@dogismycoolpilot9662 11 месяцев назад
I have no idea why this went viral. If I could figure that I would start my own marketing company and make $$$. Something in RU-vid’s algorithm picked it up. Could be what you mentioned. I think it just got shared and liked a few times which was enough for the Algos to start promoting it. The click bait title took care of the rest. Humans are curious creatures. So stay tuned for my next movie click bait premier “ Don’t do this again “.
@einherz
@einherz 4 месяца назад
valleys has big turbulence, and this certain situation we have side wind, so what the problem if pilot take some speed room, if i get it right, i'm just a pc flyer.
@leovolont
@leovolont 6 месяцев назад
yeah, I noticed that the Bonanza had a difficult time even getting off the ground. Thank God that the canyon let him out, as many canyons are Box Canyons, you know, walled off at the end. Yeah, pilots need to do the math and figure out what their best Climb Slope Speed is against that important Density Altitude Figure, and yes, the best climb slope is often attained with a notch or two of flaps. Some pilots would use their best rate of climb, which is advisable unless there is a mountain in your way, then the trick is to get over the top of the mountain. But, yeah, great video and all new pilots should watch this and take the message to heart. Imagine taking off like that and then wondering "Hmmmm, I wonder if this is even possible? And then what about the passengers who begin to notice the same dilemma?
@petesmith9472
@petesmith9472 10 месяцев назад
I think that was a Beech Scareoplane
@boxterjeff
@boxterjeff 4 месяца назад
Those hame and cheese sandwiches? Looked tasty. Go to the end and pull back. Yikes
@fentonpainter5275
@fentonpainter5275 4 месяца назад
What is the V tail Bonanza's nickname?
@jeremyimes6734
@jeremyimes6734 7 месяцев назад
Hey, any takeoff you can fly away from…
@thephilpott2194
@thephilpott2194 5 месяцев назад
You do have some airstrips in very odd places over there.. I'd be comfortable with a biplane with more power, but those buzz boxes look a little out of their depth.
@centex7409
@centex7409 10 месяцев назад
I'll never understand pilots not doing the math before takeoff.. But especially not doing the math when you have altitude and altitude density with terrain to contend with...
@dogismycoolpilot9662
@dogismycoolpilot9662 9 месяцев назад
At some point you just don’t need to do the math. Loaded airplane in the mid afternoon on a hot day is just sketch. He made it out but this was close. I thought I might be filming an accident.
@jimbarrett4960
@jimbarrett4960 3 месяца назад
I’m not going to comment on the what pilot did or didn’t do, but if density altitude is that bad I would pass on that fly in altogether. I’ve flown into some sketchy airstrip’s and ill never do it again
@Ublomor
@Ublomor 3 месяца назад
No flaps?
@frankherrmannweilburg4436
@frankherrmannweilburg4436 11 месяцев назад
Why not? He's flying..........................😊
@vanpenguin22
@vanpenguin22 11 месяцев назад
"V-tailed doctor killers"
@Sabotage_Labs
@Sabotage_Labs 9 месяцев назад
The V tail Bonanza...aka...the Doctor killer!
@j.jmcquade5278
@j.jmcquade5278 10 месяцев назад
I flew an F-14 Tomcat out of here back in the day
@bobboberson2024
@bobboberson2024 4 месяца назад
Yeah, maybe there shouldn’t be a landing strip there!
@jorbedo
@jorbedo 3 месяца назад
0.75 degrees of flaps?
@danielb516
@danielb516 11 месяцев назад
i see a lot of guys that are heavy pulling the nose up for no good reason and forcing the plane to work at its top envelope for no good reason . i always hover over the runway for an extra 5 or so mph then pull up slow if i can and it creates a safer smoother ride upwards .
@Rokaize
@Rokaize 4 месяца назад
Can someone explain what the danger here was? I have an idea but I don’t know for sure
@dogismycoolpilot9662
@dogismycoolpilot9662 4 месяца назад
He did not have a lot of room for error. He was climbing as best as he could in a load airplane at high altitude on a hot day. Demonstrates the dangers of Density Altitude.
@Rokaize
@Rokaize 4 месяца назад
@@dogismycoolpilot9662 So the high altitude and high temperature makes it so the air is less dense? Does this all just effect the physics of how the wing works and how it’s lift works or whatever?
@dogismycoolpilot9662
@dogismycoolpilot9662 4 месяца назад
@@Rokaize Yes. Hot, moist air has less air molecules per cubic inch. Add increasing altitude you get even less. This translates to less airflow underneath the wing, less thrust from the prop, and lower power from the engine. In the mountains we fly in the early mornings when there is cool/calm air. Afternoon flights in loaded airplanes (@gross weight) do not fly with the same performance. This pilot barely made it out alive with 3 passengers. Was he lucky or good ? He was both ! Definitely knew some local knowledge departing north and staying in the canyon knowing he would get some lift off the ridge to the Northwest. But as pilots we try fly with better margins of safety to mitigate risk. I would have waited until late evening or early the next morning to depart. The video was posted to help others understand density altitude. This subject is taught during pilot training but often forgotten - especially for those pilots who train in the flatlands.
@Rokaize
@Rokaize 4 месяца назад
@@dogismycoolpilot9662 Ok that makes sense. I remember reading about Soviet helicopters operating in Afghanistan. Where they needed to redesign the engines due to operating at very high altitude in the mountains and in way higher heat than originally accounted for with the engines they were using. So that is somewhat the same concept it seems
@George.Coleman
@George.Coleman 5 месяцев назад
His slight right after take off was a bad decision, should keep level for max lift
@drizler
@drizler 11 месяцев назад
The old 150 I owned for 20 years climbed out better than that on its worse day. There sure must have been some High / hot issues going on to make Bonanza wallow away like that.
@jacobbaumgardner3406
@jacobbaumgardner3406 11 месяцев назад
They are in Idaho so that probably doesn’t help.
@failranch9542
@failranch9542 11 месяцев назад
It was Bob Menendez. He had a load of gold bars for emergencies.
@UncleKennysPlace
@UncleKennysPlace 11 месяцев назад
The one I flew had a hard time on a hot day in Cincinnati.
@luke_skywanker7643
@luke_skywanker7643 11 месяцев назад
🤣🤣👍👍@@failranch9542
@Roybwatchin
@Roybwatchin 11 месяцев назад
Now that's funny. Thank you for that, I needed a laugh this morning.... @@failranch9542
@ddellwo
@ddellwo 9 месяцев назад
Is this the kind of bird Buddy Holly was killed in……..?????
@dogismycoolpilot9662
@dogismycoolpilot9662 9 месяцев назад
Older model but yes 35 Bonanza. Great airplane.
@Spartan536
@Spartan536 3 месяца назад
Lets see how my little fresh PPL brain does regarding this... I fly out of Florida so mountain ops is something I am not familiar with but have discussed with CFI's that have mountain flying time. Even if your W/B and density altitude check out with aircraft performance regarding the length of the runway, being nestled in the middle of a mountain range presents a significant threat to safety margins because you are limited to following the pass out between the ranges, or until you can clear the tops which you should also be mindful of eddies and turbulence coming off of the mountain range itself based on environmental factors. Considering this is a high performance and complex aircraft this aircraft should (as indicated) be able to make this takeoff happen, however the margin for error is exceptionally small and even the slightest miscalculation or weight offset could lead to a fatal disaster, it may be far more prudent for this pilot to wait for better conditions if applicable or change other variable flight factors within their control to ensure safer operations.
@tintindb
@tintindb 3 месяца назад
"what a knucklehead...😆😆😆"
@r2dad282
@r2dad282 4 месяца назад
Like Truckee, except the pilots crater across from Northstar every time.
@artykohl1118
@artykohl1118 2 месяца назад
If there isn't much wind, take off the other way.
@williamogilvie6909
@williamogilvie6909 5 месяцев назад
Something wrong with how that pilot took off. He should have left the runway sooner and climbed faster.
@karhukivi
@karhukivi 4 месяца назад
Its called "density altitude".
@MustafaÜgli
@MustafaÜgli 9 месяцев назад
Is the girl on the right washing down her sandwich with drained AvGas80 ?????
@markblaz98
@markblaz98 4 месяца назад
Didn’t calculate the density altitude
@mojeimja
@mojeimja 4 месяца назад
should have used rocket assisted take off like C130
@LionelMessi-ct7tu
@LionelMessi-ct7tu Месяц назад
Errr, please explain what we were looking at?
@lbowsk
@lbowsk 11 месяцев назад
What's the FE? And the temp?
@dogismycoolpilot9662
@dogismycoolpilot9662 11 месяцев назад
Johnson Creek. 3U2. 5000 feet elevation. 3500 feet long. 90 degrees. Four people. Don’t know the fuel situation. South winds about 5-10 knots departing 35. Generally not a good idea in a load Bonanza.
@lbowsk
@lbowsk 11 месяцев назад
I don't have any experience out west in a piston but I have spent a long time driving airplanes east of the Rockies. I would not have taken off ALONE in that situation, let alone filling up the tube. That sounds downright suicidal. @@dogismycoolpilot9662
@BradM73
@BradM73 9 месяцев назад
LoL, the two guys talking sound like Tim & Eric. The guy at the start sounds time Tim Heidecker and the guy who starts talking at :17 sounds like Eric Wareheim. LOL TIM & ERIC!!
@mperlatti
@mperlatti 3 месяца назад
Staying low on purpose for show…
@outoftownr3906
@outoftownr3906 4 месяца назад
It must be amazing being so perfect
@toddkallenbach3904
@toddkallenbach3904 8 месяцев назад
then why have the fly-in if you're gonna set people up to crash....??
@barhammd
@barhammd 9 месяцев назад
Where was this?
@rabbit9360
@rabbit9360 5 месяцев назад
He died?
@joelhenderson4450
@joelhenderson4450 4 месяца назад
CFIT in action.
@NineInchTyrone
@NineInchTyrone 10 месяцев назад
Too high an altitude ?
@in4merATP
@in4merATP 4 месяца назад
Definitely not turbocharged
@macemanVII
@macemanVII 9 месяцев назад
What airstrip?
@Theoriginalbubbafett
@Theoriginalbubbafett 10 месяцев назад
I’m guessing whoever filmed this had an idea what they were about to witness. Scary.
@dogismycoolpilot9662
@dogismycoolpilot9662 10 месяцев назад
We heard the engine fire up and then looked over at the loaded Bonanza. I filmed it because I thought this was going to be a very interesting departure. It was really hot and humid that afternoon. I am glad he made it out alive but I think this was incredible close. Would love it if the pilot of that airplane could comment on the takeoff. I have made some poor decisions in my airplane before and have only learned form my mistakes and become a better pilot.
@larrybaker5113
@larrybaker5113 10 месяцев назад
In 2000 😢We lost a nephew and this two sons there on a go around
@dwaynemcallister7231
@dwaynemcallister7231 9 месяцев назад
That' sad, condolence's
@Ghostdog4
@Ghostdog4 11 месяцев назад
Not a pilot, I know the basics like Propeller Wing Tail but that's all I got. I'm betting it helps when you lean forward and keep nudging that puppy into the air. Yelling Up Up Up and other positive words probably helps too. Nice looking sandwich
@Helios72487
@Helios72487 9 месяцев назад
But can she reverse park, doing the shopping.
@championthewonderhos
@championthewonderhos 4 месяца назад
Just watched American Made
@douglasb5046
@douglasb5046 9 месяцев назад
Pilots who gives general aviation, a bad name
@TheJustinJ
@TheJustinJ 3 месяца назад
It is quite possible this pilot was very good. And also thorough. Field length is given. Field elevation is given. Turf and soil condition is also self evident for anyone standing around there. Pressure altitude is found by setting altimeter to 29.92" and observing altimeter reading. Density altitude is quickly computed by any pocket calculator, slide rule, or flight related computer from pressure altitude and temperature. Gusting tailwinds are hard to quantify. But it appears to be relatively calm here. You wont find strong down-drafts just randomly on a hot afternoon. There will be strong updrafts where the sun is shining (this runway) and the downdrafts will be in the shade. Usually along north facing slopes. The fact this fellow had maximum power with brakes applied. Did not choose to set takeoff flaps (for specific reasons, mostly due to excess drag including induced drag from destroying your span-wise lift distribution with flaps deflected). He does not force the rotation. Be does not raise the nose too high. He gently coaxes the aircraft off the grads, into ground effect. Allows speed to build gradually, without the grass slowing him down. He establishes a gentle rate of climb that allows him to clear the trees by a comfortable 100' (3x tree height). And he does not get greedy andtey to climb steeper at a potentially lethal Vx, as suggested above. (Backside of power curve, excessive induced drag, close to stall, with no way out except to nose over). This pilot established a respectable 500fpm cruise-climb rate. At higher speed and shallow angle of attack. And simply climbed over the trees with plenty of airspeed to handle a gust or downdraft. Everyone standing around, armchair pontificating about the performance of an aircraft they have never even flown or opened the POH for. Judging another pilots ability, experience, knowledge of his craft, and his ADM judgement based on their own limited knowledge of their own antique airplane, which does have nor ever included a POH. Because they were sold before this was even a requirement. Most of those planes lack graphs and charts and engineering level performance data which Beechcraft alone, and no other manufacture, includes with their aircraft. Most older Cessnas and pipers, bellancas and Stinsons you are lucky to get single data points printed, such as Vx, Vy, Vne. Which do not tel the tale, and will lead pilots to make very poor use of their airplanes. Such as attempting a Vx takeoff as high density altitude with trees at the end of a plenty-long 3/4 mile runway.
@MrSunrise-
@MrSunrise- 29 дней назад
No margin. "The superior pilot uses his superior judgement to avoid situations which require superior skill." I would be less judge-y if he was flying solo.
@Mike_S_Swift
@Mike_S_Swift 6 месяцев назад
Looks like a flat lander thinking he can take off like where’s he’s from. I haven’t flown since 06’ but I did fly an old Bonanza B35. Should have done a short field/soft field take off. I didn’t see any flaps and a long take off roll. I don’t know what the density altitude was there but that pilot needs some mountain flying training IMHO
@alexabadi7458
@alexabadi7458 3 месяца назад
Nice grass, a talented helicopter pilot could cut it with a low inverted flight !
@vince-n
@vince-n 4 месяца назад
sorry but what does she know about flying an airplane? just east your sandwiches love 😂
@Bbbuddy
@Bbbuddy 12 дней назад
Another doctor . . .
@frontcentermusician
@frontcentermusician 11 месяцев назад
oh boy.......🥱
@something7239
@something7239 10 месяцев назад
Videos like this are 100% equally as important as accident case studies. Just because a disaster didn't happen didn't mean it wasn't totally wrong.
@dogismycoolpilot9662
@dogismycoolpilot9662 9 месяцев назад
100 % agree. Flying GA is all about risk mitigation. We try leave room for margin for safety. This was on the edge and had the wind been stronger, temperatures warmer, or the pilot not as skillful this would have resulted in wrecked airplane and likely 4 fatalities.
@PinkeySuavo
@PinkeySuavo 5 месяцев назад
i dont understand this video, can you explain?
@GenuineFlolie
@GenuineFlolie 5 месяцев назад
@@PinkeySuavo The plane is too heavy, and/or the air too low on density, it just barely clears the treeline. The pilot should have aborted the take-off because the plane wouldn't take off the way it should have. But the pilot continued anyways, risking it all.
@PinkeySuavo
@PinkeySuavo 5 месяцев назад
@@GenuineFlolie I see. Thank you
@glen7016
@glen7016 4 месяца назад
Know your role and shut your mouth, you jabroni. Pilot succeeded in his objective and no one really cares about your opinion
@stevet8121
@stevet8121 11 месяцев назад
I think before he took off, he told his passengers "We might make it, let's give it a shot.""
@d.b.1176
@d.b.1176 11 месяцев назад
"Hold my beer..."
@mam362
@mam362 11 месяцев назад
ah yes, the motto of Ryanair
@robertboykin1828
@robertboykin1828 11 месяцев назад
at that point, they emptied their bowels making the craft lighter.
@VetusBarbatus
@VetusBarbatus 5 месяцев назад
I would definitely NOT take those risk with passengers on board
@FlyWithFitz81
@FlyWithFitz81 4 месяца назад
Aunt Edna swore she only weighed 65KG.
@sid2112
@sid2112 10 месяцев назад
Of all the flight videos I have seen, this is one of them.
@blazejpietras2638
@blazejpietras2638 3 месяца назад
Ain' that the truth
@EllipsisAircraft
@EllipsisAircraft 2 месяца назад
😂
@dogismycoolpilot9662
@dogismycoolpilot9662 11 месяцев назад
This video was filmed back in 2018 and had about 150 views until 4-5 days ago. Not sure what made the video get such attention but this was posted really to educate people about density altitude. Flying in Idaho in the summer requires some planning and in general departing Johnson Creek at 2 PM on a 90F day with a tailwing takeoff is just not a good idea. I agree with the comments about adding flaps but better to have just waited until it cooled off. I posted this video from 1966 published by the FAA. It is about a guy who coincidentally flies a 35 Bonanza with the name " Harry Bliss. " It is a very instructional video on DA and all still applies today. Be safe and always be mindful of DA. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-sYrV35HCa5k.html
@JohnMoore-xf5wy
@JohnMoore-xf5wy 11 месяцев назад
I wondered! Down wind on a high density day? Did this guy own a pen and paper and an E6B?
@billdurham8477
@billdurham8477 11 месяцев назад
Probably YT sending it to Blancolirio fans. And looking at the flag, the left turn was into a tail wind. And no flaps???
@jamesalles139
@jamesalles139 11 месяцев назад
whatsa "a tailwing takeoff"
@DefactoAmbassador
@DefactoAmbassador 11 месяцев назад
What did you do to make this vid appear on my recommendation? Tell me your secret.
@jamesalles139
@jamesalles139 11 месяцев назад
@@DefactoAmbassador It is Al Gore's rhythm, that is all.
@jackspratt4343
@jackspratt4343 11 месяцев назад
Forked tailed doctor killer
@alexanderdoorknocker
@alexanderdoorknocker 3 месяца назад
lmfao
@scotthanson9302
@scotthanson9302 Месяц назад
I prefer to believe doctors kill the Bonanza
@garyvanremortel5218
@garyvanremortel5218 22 дня назад
These planes do the short coupled dance too much for my taste.
@bobrichardson8386
@bobrichardson8386 5 месяцев назад
Hard to tell from vid but I dont think I saw any flaps lowered...? 0:17
@pheener
@pheener 11 месяцев назад
Totally stumbled on this video by accident as an amateur flight nerd, but this is so close to me! Hope you guys stayed safe with the fires this year, excellent footage.
@xX_Gravity_Xx
@xX_Gravity_Xx 2 месяца назад
It becomes blatantly obvious how much power you no longer have in the heat at high elevations. I'm no pilot, but I'm a trucker. Starting up a grade in 90* heat in Montana or Idaho at 80k lbs, you're already prepared for the complete lack of power and the temperatures to start going up. Do the same thing in New York in the hills on a 55*-60* day and you'll understand, at least from an engine performance perspective, why heat and height are important.
@karhukivi
@karhukivi 24 дня назад
I drove a new diesel-engined SUV up to the Sierra Nevada ski resort in Spain to about 10,000 feet and the engine was struggling, black smoke coming out the exhaust. The air might have been cold, but the air density was low, even breathing felt a bit strange. Then down again and the engine and myself felt a lot better!
@shagmesilly78
@shagmesilly78 3 месяца назад
What a beautiful looking area!!!
@jesudassvinodkumard480
@jesudassvinodkumard480 3 месяца назад
I thought I was the one and thought that it's common for people who touch grass
@TAShannon1
@TAShannon1 9 месяцев назад
"He needs to just stop" Lol. Sounds like something my wife would say if I brought her to a fly-in
@zenjoe5226
@zenjoe5226 2 месяца назад
At the point she said that he was going flying or dying. No stopping when you are 3/4 down the runway at full tilt.
@SierraBravo7970
@SierraBravo7970 5 месяцев назад
1 name comes to mind! HARRY BLISS!! The vintage FAA density altitude flick. “This thing has a ceiling of 20,000ft with that kind of performance we can fly anywhere”.🤣🤣🤣
@keithrickson8522
@keithrickson8522 11 месяцев назад
Get the outside air temp from your temperature probe. Get pressure altitude by setting your altimiter to 29.92. Combine the two in a flight computer to get density altitude. Use your pilot operating handbook to calculate your takeoff distance and climb rate. Add a buffer, say 10% for having an old plane. Bam, there you go.
@morphius747
@morphius747 11 месяцев назад
Id say boom but dont know bout the pilot
@tmayorca8770
@tmayorca8770 10 месяцев назад
T/O into the wind
@keithrickson8522
@keithrickson8522 10 месяцев назад
@@tmayorca8770 That too
@philgray1023
@philgray1023 10 месяцев назад
So that was what the section on the Kane was for.
@russbell6418
@russbell6418 9 месяцев назад
Also, talk to the locals. They’re talking about a down-slope wind here. Mountain air currents can make your performance charts worthless. It’s possible (depending on wind speed, direction, and atmospheric stability) that the other side of the canyon has an updraft, but that also may be a turbulent mess. Avoid the Bam.
@erintyres3609
@erintyres3609 11 месяцев назад
I just tried out an online density calculator. 90 degrees Fahrenheit at 5000 feet gives a density altitude of 8038 feet. At 70 degrees, the density altitude is 6836 feet. Taking off when the weather is cooler certainly helps. Before takeoff, the pilot needs to look up several numbers in the pilot's operating handbook: "What my Bonanza's rate of climb at 8038 feet?", "What is my Bonanza's required runway length to take off from grass at 8038 feet with X knots of tailwind?", "What is my Bonanza's Vx speed for best angle of climb?", and "What is my Bonanza's maximum gross weight and have I exceeded it?". This takeoff was done on a day with high humidity. That also increases density altitude, but I don't have a way to calculate how much.
@channelshmanel9882
@channelshmanel9882 9 месяцев назад
This one includes the dew point: www.weather.gov/epz/wxcalc_densityaltitude
@rylanthompson5844
@rylanthompson5844 9 месяцев назад
You forgot barometric pressure
@portnuefflyer
@portnuefflyer 7 месяцев назад
@@rylanthompson5844 And that's all before you throw in any sink from mechanical turbulence, the wind down in the canyon may not be fully indicative of what's happening up higher, basic soaring 101.
@thespacedingoking
@thespacedingoking 4 месяца назад
@@rylanthompson5844 Barometic pressure is exactly what the 8038 number represents.
@TheJustinJ
@TheJustinJ 3 месяца назад
Barometric pressure changes with weather systems. The runway altitude does not change. But the pressure altitude changes a lot. This is why you must adjust the altimeter to field elevation for each departure. And also why we tune ATIS for current altimeter setting before entering the pattern. To find density-altitude, you need pressure altitude and temperature. Not field elevation. As was given above. Humidity is easy, simply find percentage, and in conjunction with temp you can find percentage water mass per cubic foot of air. Water displaces air/oxygen. But it has such a slight effect that it's not really necessary. (0.01-3% in worst case).
@n1943987
@n1943987 9 месяцев назад
This seems like a bunch of people being jealous of a Bonanza...
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