Don't fall for the new 'Suicide Squad' marketing... 

It's a completely different company, just like you said, everyone that was responsible for batman is now basically all gone.

I don’t get the hype behind some studio’s especially the older ones. Most of the teams are a shadow of what they were. Bioware, Blizzard, Rocksteady none have the same creators that made them great. It’s like being a fan of Chicago Bulls now just because they were great in 97. It’s a whole different team.

@@Manuel-pj1ys You're goddamn right!

@@Manuel-pj1ys I mean, there are studios that keep delivering, Capcom, RE4 R to me is game of the year and it was one of my two pre orders this year, Fromsoft, but western devs? Almost none is worth a second thought in this day and age.

@@Saint_Wolf_that’s because they can retain talent. Not all, but much. Western devs seemingly cannot.

lol? they making a live service game that its dead on arrival. The copium in some people are so high :)

@@sauliusvekteris526 You wanted to sound so cool. He said it looks like a studio KILLER. where is the copium?

​@@sauliusvekteris526Have you seen the mountain of corpses that are comprised of live service games? They mostly fail and bring the studio that made them down with them.

@@mattd5240It’s probably live service game that has a lot of quality though. I have big doubts that a game that’s worked on for this long, doesn’t have good chunks that are worth playing and seeing. With Cyberpunk for example, it was a mess at launch. But there’s still a lot of really good meat in there and good quality content to take in so I feel some of the reactions to it are too premature and narrow minded for me.

@@jgunner94 One game. Duke Nukem forever.

For real.

One thing I'm starting to realise is that when a studio starts spouting about their old accomplishments it means they are afraid the new one ain't gonna live up to it also if Rockstar reveals GTA 6 this month this game will be forgotten again.

​@KratosisGod I had a teacher who brag about his career like crazy. He end up missing 50% of the semester, give us the exact same exam as mid term and finals, and couldn't teach a fish how to swim. He got fired after that semester. So,yeah, don't be surprised

Lmaooo right

@@strikeforce1500 The more inflated the ego the less to show they have. Some people have some megalomaniac complexes doe things they've accomplished that are remarkable but things like a teacher? 10/10 it's compensating for being a teacher.

The higher-ups probably noticed that fortnite gets the rights to famous properties and then have the characters running and gunning with the regular avatars, so they thought they could do the same thing. Of course, they're obvious to it being free to play.

Even in city and knight the supporting characters had their own movesets and animations with unique abilities. SS has none of that attention to detail.

​@@getampt22None of that attention? I know we all want a new Batman game, but don't lie to yourself my guy

literally, why does captain fucking BOOMERANG have a gun he should throw boomerangs, that seem kinda obvious and would have been more fun gameplay-wise to have captain boomerang a whole list of different type of boomerangs.but no make him Captain gun instead. also why does king shark has a gun he a giant shark monster just have tear enemies apart.

@@ezekielrayfield1512 he does throw boomerangs, didn't you watch the trailer?

This got debunked

they didnt decide to not do a superman game, they pitched a superman game and it wasnt green lit by warner bros. I dont think in any universe that rocksteady all of a sudden wanted to go this route.

Hard to monetize a Superman game...

Everything even slightly enticing about this game to me would be exceedingly more compelling in a Superman game. From substantial plot points, to the detailed and vast Metropolis, all the way down to things like the traversal mechanics. Most of them are far more tailored to Superman than the Suicide Squad. Flight, Super Speed, Hyper Leaping... it's so odd.

@@AkeemLovesCapesfighting brainiacs army in a dystopian esque metropolis would’ve been amazing. Flying around saving civilians as massive buildings are toppled by giant enemies. It could’ve been a great power fantasy superhero game we haven’t had since the prototype games

Right? The ONLY good thing about avengers was the diverse combat in the characters.

Yeah it's strange how they made the avengers game actually look good.

Different types of guns and traversals mean different playstyles. Your take is like saying playable Arkham characters all do the same thing because everyone's doing melee combat

Because guns have never been made to play different in the history of games...

@@manbat4582 That's still just guns, which is not necessarily a bad thing for all of them to have, but for that to be the main focus for all of them rather than an option is stupid. For example, captain boomerang could use, well, boomerangs, tons more interesting than guns in the sense that there can be all sorts of gadgets and tech put to use there.

Harley's gameplay at least what we saw so far crushes the most because we did play as her in the Arkham Knight DLC.

It's kind of a shame because Harley has used all kinds of weapons in comics so she would have made a good all rounder too. But yeah seeing everyone fly around shooting made me lose interest in this game immediately. Watching the drama around the game is fun though.

@@nadtz It would make sense that a game set in the Arkhamverse would keep some of the gameplay mechanics it's known for such as their free-flow combat. At least only for a character closely tied to it. I'm aware it wouldn't work for all the squad members. Maybe refine it to add some gunplay like the Red Hood DLC but better?

What you described is the bare minimum of what I would have expected them to do before the gameplay footage dropped. I was hoping for something even deeper than that tbh 😪

Would of been nice to see something completely different then another DC game

cause you can kill the justice luegue with just a BOOMERANG right?

​@@Yuuki_Asunahe'd find a way

I want to see the comic source for this, give me the issues and series. 😜

not even batman can kill the justice luegue, but boomerang with his boomerang can for sure..@@ghosttactician403

@@Yuuki_Asuna it was a joke comment but in that case, he's just as likely to stop the league with boomerangs as he is with guns. Or maybe that handgun will REALLY stop Superman this time?

Crackdown 3 though. But again, any mediocre third person multiplayer city open world does look like that, including Agents of Mayhem.

It was stated in early dev interviews the game is heavily influenced from Sunset Overdrive.. so think of it like the villains version of that..

yeah watching this vid I got that vibe too, shit I'd rather go back and play Crackdown 1/2 than play this lmao

Crackdown was elite back in 2007. Lmao

And that's why I'm excited for this game, I love Crackdown

Exactly. It’s the 2K/ Call of Duty syndrome. We all know they are going to be shitty, rushed and not polished but the consumers will still preorder and the companies will ship out unfinished or lackluster products due to deadlines and greed

its not about hype without hype is the same thing it is a world wide business model created long ago not hype lol the road map was already cleared made critic youtube channels matter not cus these were already decided stuff these companies meet long ago and planned this models why u think they have specialists video games always sucked bruh from 90's to 2000's so stop being delusional when u were kids u though games were cool bcs u had parents wallets too now u have ure wallets and less time to play and think games are dumb

All over the entertainment industry there are many trains crashing in slow motion people are growing their RU-vid careers with that in spite of algorthim throttling.

Seeing how many people were actually hyped after this trailer, it's hard to say whether it will flop or not.... There are a lot of stupid people out there that love these type of games.

Watching a train head towards a wall while cheering for a giant explosion. I want this game to flop 10x worse than even Avengers did. It would make my year if it launched and was shut down within 6 months. Hopefully that will give Zaslav the kick in the balls he needs.

Many such cases

I think some of us are just hoping that maybe it'll feel good & "click" on release😢

Which isn't a lot of money, but it's awful that it happened that often.

BioWare is the first to mind

Im getting tired of ppl just throwing the word "Battle pass" & "Live service" like it's suppose to be a bad thing. Can half of you even give a real definition on live service without the dictionary's help. What does it mean when you hear it....? GOTG was a good ass single player story driven game and ppl slept and shit on it because the same company who made Avengers made it. There was no battle pass nor live service in that game yet ppl brought up battle passes and live service because of Marvels Avengers.... like what???? Shit had nothing to do with but most reviews (for the few that reviewed it) brought it up. For what ??? A co-op story narrative based live service looter shooter. If you don't like looter-shooters then that's fine. Some ppl don't like first person games so they don't play cod or far cry but you don't see those ppl talk about a game they don't play unless it's from a outside negative perspective calling it shit because it's first person. With that said live service just means constant updates and maintenance. Battle pass is cosmetics... If you don't care about that then all you have is story, friends and a good time which is what I see this game really being about. They stated that story missions would be free. They are adding characters also. Either buy them or not. That shouldn't bother or affect you because you already have access to everything everyone else has just not costumes. If the game shuts down, it's because ppl aren't playing it, so it shouldn't matter to you anyways because you weren't playing it. I don't care if you try to say "oh well what if I wanted to play single player after it shuts down?" Like huh ? If you active on the game PERIOD it's not gonna shut down because it's gonna have a reason to keep the servers up if there's a healthy amount of players. With all those player playing you think they not gonna hit oil with dlc that will make ppl buy it?

@@Sounds2Humandog it's not that deep, it's the exact same as how the public reacts to the acronym NFT. If you think about it that way it all makes sense. I'm not trying to take a dig at you I just know you seemed frustrated since you are somewhat right on your point, but like I said the terms and words get connected to the negative or positive events and as a result become that negative or positive. Without many positive happenings, the negative becomes the word rather than being a possible result.

Live service doesn't "just" mean "constant updates and maintenance", it is the entire model of game, including how it is supposed to make money over time, where the main focus during development will be Why you'd look at the developer who made Arkham Knight and think "Oh man, I really want their next game to be a looter-shooter that looks like Fortnight!" I can't even begin to imagine @@Sounds2Human

They wouldn't put that in place if they weren't planning on utilizing it.

@@thugstin6429they (WB), know already this game will flop hard.

Wait, you forgot Deadshark, and Deadquinn, and umm Captain Deadshot. Unn I dunno I got nothing for Boomerang. 😅

@@markhettenbach3141I can’t wait to use deadquinn and swing on absolutely nothing

I may or may not have a friend who played a VERY early build of the game and said that EVERYONE who tested it played different characters for a brief span and then all ended up playing as Deadshot because he is the only one that feels like he belongs in the game. This was a while back, though, so it may have a different feel now.

@@christopher3226 tbh the fact that rocksteady, or sorry, “the people who made the Arkham games” looked at king shark, the guy known for ya know, eating people and being a very big melee guy/ brute archetype and were like “ya know what this guy needs to make him feel unique? A gun” is just baffling to me. But I wouldn’t be surprised as Deadshot was gonna be my option too if I was gonna get the game.

Lmao

They're handing the story over to the people who edited the trailers for the first movie.

They wanted Superman game and even pitched it, but got refused.

WB/DC legit have an allergy of making good games,because God forbid you don't make a product aimed to milk every dime from your player

Batman Beyond would have been a natural progression, old Bruce no longer being able to keep Gotham safe via his demon persona anymore.

Imagine not letting your successful studio do what they want after so much success? Guerrilla Games wanted a break from Killzone, and gave Sony Horizon Zero Dawn. Artists should be allowed some freedom, because that brings passion, which often brings success.

@@ZedQue Rocksteady wanted actually to make a sequel of Batman Arham Knight, whit DAMIAN WAYNE being the new BATMA.

bro, the game looks fun asf, I don't comprehend this fobia all of you have about "live service" words, idgf what the game is if it is fun, wich it looks like it is

@@Yuuki_Asunalive service games are designed to leach money from you, that shit creeps me out. Casinos are successful because of people like you.

@@Yuuki_Asuna No. No, it doesn't. Even if it weren't a GaaS infrastructure, the mode of play is still the polar opposite of what I enjoy in a game and not exactly what I imagine when I think of a Rocksteady game.

casino glazer, they make no money because gamblers make a gazlillion dollars everyday @@ZedQue

@@Yuuki_Asunacaptain Boomerang should use…wait for it…BOOMERANGS! King Shark should be melee only. If they wanted so much gunplay, then use Peacemaker, Deathstroke, or Bloodsport. Don’t waste the uniqueness of characters to make everyone bland.

Everything looks great until they start shooting guns. It’s just reskinned Anthem

It just takes one glance at Harley to know this is not the game anybody wanted to make.

They aren’t passionate about making it. WB is responsible for making them develop this. They wouldn’t have ever developed anything like this if WB Games wasn’t involved

Considering that a Superman game was rejected by Warner Bros in favor of this game, I don't think this is what they originally wanted to make.

Another narrative single player based game (maybe with coop or something similar) even if batman wasnt the playable character, wouldve been infinitely better received than this

Damn

More like 2012 lol

It's way late. Comic book fatigue is well set in

​@@irishbob26comic fatigue isn't really the issue here, Spiderman 2 just came out and sold really well. It's live service fatigue which is the issue

@@irishbob26Not the problem

I wouldve dropped $50 back then for this. How the mighty fall

No`? Because they wont show everything at once.

I mean that’s something that should be saved for the gamez

I get that we are all pretty much think that this game is not gonna be very good,or atleast we believe so,but atleast before talking about some things you should really check your info about things. They literally said that they are gonna release all the details about the game and gameplay itself piece by piece till the game launches.

I was thinking this. The bosses were highlights of the Arkham games. You would think they'd be leaning on that. As a Superman fan, this makes me want to cry.

​@gleekthemonkey4570 they're in hailmary mode tho..if it were something remotely game selling they would put a clip in

100%

That's actually true. It's very baffling when I saw another content creator saying how they are glad to change things up which in fact they never changed the main criticism the game had

It's kind of astonishing how this game is following almost the exact same trajectory as Avengers, even in terms of pre-release. The only thing that's missing is people upset the player models look like knockoffs. It has the same reluctance to show off things, the same UI, the same type of loot, the same type of un-enthusiasm from the audience.

That game was good tho. I mean the multiplayer is controversial because of a decent amount of bad maps and a higher difficulty turning your brain off and blindly running around to shoot people like in all the other COD games up to that point, but I mean, it was a helluva improvement from Black Ops 4 which came before alongside the majority of the nonsense future COD era. Although Black Ops 3 was fun

Yeah, I wonder why they don't have Sefton Hill in this first deep dive video *Oh right*

Worse it won't ever be Great or Amazing. WHY cause nobody asked for this

Let's also give Harley Abby-face syndrome.

What a waste of time indeed.

Replace game with any media product. They must be trying to sabotage the company to sell it off to the company they will run next

​@@Saint_Wolf_what is that?

Gotham Knights wasn’t made by Rocksteady

Right! I think they’d have issues fabricating their own story and considering the ending to GK and AK, they’d have to deal with the hype and pressure of continuing that story. Not to mention it’d be in the same Gotham. Where as in this game they’d be able to make their own story and use Gotham that’s not the Arkham Gotham.

That's literally what op said

@@silentghost751 they never said Rocksteady made it, they said Rocksteady should have. They're essentially saying that Rocksteady and WB Montreal should've swapped games, with Rocksteady developing Gotham Knights as the Arkhamverse continuation, while WB Montreal develops Kill the Justice League as the independent title.

Rocksteady should’ve made a Superman game and WB Montreal assist them so they can make the best game possible.

they debunked that already rockstar dev came out and said so

@@KrackRockKratos surely they wouldn't lie... as we comment under a video talking about their deceptive marketing... Looks like self reporting as someone who fell for it.

​@@F34RDSoldier805The amount of gullibility of gamers never cease to surprise me. 😂

Jason Schreier's already debunk this by the way. It seems like a plausible thought, but that's all it is.

​@@thomashart3473Ah yes, believe in the clown that looked at a picture of all white men dev team and said "how can this still be a thing?" .

This is a fair assumption, and to be honest, the traversal does have a big upgrade from Gotham Knights. Especially in terms of how they feel, Boomer having Speed Force powers makes me happy, cause we RARELY see super speed powers in games it feels like

Been playing through Gotham Knights and I think that once you have unlocked fast travel and knight travel traversal becomes a non issue. It's just that unlocking those things takes more time than it really should. Robin's traversal in particular is super fun because you can weaponize it. Teleport spam is so OP and fun in the right circumstances.

And it's gonna fail at even doing that, lol

No, if it weren't for Harley Quinn being Harley Quinn I wouldn't have recognized it being part of that series. Note: I don't play these games. I don't tend to gravitate towards superhero games, just because they have superheroes in them. But this looks like a generic live service looter shooter. Even the design of the chars just blends in my head with all the other "wacky" LS looter shooter blah blah stuff.

We won't get any good games unless it's a New Studio cause we all know this companys want to be more of a Money Bank then actual Game for Players

I mean it doesn't look that great, but it *is* the most interesting part of what they're doing. And it's pretty rare to get a third person shooter game where the playable characters do over the top stuff like this, so it's mildly novel. Unfortunately I don't buy 70$ microtransaction filled games because the jumping is fun.

Yeah, it reminds me of Crackdowns jumping around in the worst ways to be honest.😢

It looks ludicrous to me, but I'm also someone who didn't particularly care for Catwoman's traversal in Arkham City, either. Frankly, half the stuff they have Harley doing in these videos makes me wonder how she could ever lose to Batman.

It looks good compared to the shooting and the rest.

@@Goldnfoxx Right? Deadshot is a black guy and Harley is an unstoppable one clown army, but this is totally the Arkhamverse. We're hoping you forget the several times Batman defeated Harley by basically gently placing her on the ground

For what it is, it looks pretty damn fun. I don't understand how all you nerds buy every rehashed and unfinished Assassin's Creed games, while new experiences like these are slept on. I don't want a live action game either, but I'll be damn sure to buy a Rocksteady game

⁠@@yipperdeyipno it doesn’t look fun and most of the people who helped create the Arkham series are no longer there.

@@blakehoule6698 Same goes for Origins, but that was still good. WB does release polished and quality games most of the time. Track record has been shady lately, but still

@@yipperdeyipbro...he gonna buy it and if he dont i just chalk it up as a spoiled new age gamer mental illness

@@CordayDatzTuff It's just mind-boggling how Assassin's Creed games go backwards and no-one bats an eye, while more unique polished games like these always get so much hate. Live service is disappointing for sure, but it's been so long since Rocksteadys last game and it'll be good for sure or else I'll eat my own shoe. Spoiled tone-deaf gamers yeah

aaayyy. the queen of fighting games. Real talk though, this greedy system imposed by WB will only bleed into their other IP. MK, Injustice etc.

honestly game developer studios have such crazy employee turnover rates that a studio you liked 10 years ago doesnt have most of the employees that made that game so good still working there its like the ship of theseus

@@lizardpeoplehuh? Red dead 2 is amazing

I don't think you can make a great Superman game, honestly. The character is too inherently powerful. I don't know how you'd set up appropriate challenges for him without completely changing up his nature or having a completely artificial feeling story (i.e. kryptonite everywhere).

I know right? I think I might just pretend it doesnt exist and be satisfied with what I have.

Well, wait for a month after release and see what the coverage says. Maybe we'll all be surprised and this is a huge hit and starts a new series like the Arkham games... or maybe it's a 70 dollar looter shooter with live service written across every surface and the publishers cancel the whole thing soon after. The only thing you have to spend is patience then.

Sunset Overdrive legit is better than this shitty live service Suicide Squad game

Sorry man it's not going to be good, sunset overdrive was made with some actual passion, this looks like hot garbage.

@@SpartanArmy117 “this looks like hot garbage” There are 24 hours in a day.

The fact that they didn’t indicates to me it’s not going to have as good a movement system. It seems like that’s a sign of a well-crafted game and this does not look like one.

Because the industry has a hard-on for GaaS infrastucture. Like modern films, where the mid-budget fare that used to drive most traffic in and out of theaters were abandoned once studios realized they could make a literal billion dollars with a single movie that has a built-in fanbase, and mobile games that border on scams pulling in way more than the $60/SKU titles that have sustained the console industry for the last couple of decades. They want to milk you for every last cent you can cough up.

Because you only pay once with single player/co-op experiences. But In theory you pay for years to come with live service.

​@@The_Glazerhe's not talking about it being a GaaS or not. He's talking about THE GAME PLAY. The way the characters play and fight. It being a live service doesn't mean it has to be a fucking shooter. It could still be a beat em up, but they just refuse to do an interesting gameplay genre.

There sadly is a market for these games because there’s stupid people who continue to buy into these games and micro transactions🤷‍♂️

Indeed, but it was a big point of negativity when AK came out as well and it's funny they didn't learn from it after 9 years!

@@takemeseriouslyplx2124 I genuinely forgot that people were upset about "no civilians" when the game came out but I did enjoy the thugs that were roaming around none-the-less. For Suicide Squad they could've added a "Safe Haven Community". Remnants and survivors of the invasion who've sought refuge in an enclosed area away from the battleground.

@@amrzidan3404 like the division games

.. you’re asking for realism with a game involving super hero’s and aliens and a humanoid shark?

​​​@@tiredeyestooYes. I expect Captain Boomerang to weild a boomerang and not an assault rifle. I expect a literal shark man to walk, run, and swim and not levitate, fly, and teleport. I expect Harlet Quinn to use a giant mallet instead of a handgun. I expect superheros from a game about superheros, not another Anthem.

@@PlazDreamweavermake that game yourself then

​@@tiredeyestoo😂

@@tiredeyestoo If the characters zip around like jet powered robots, they need to have a very good explanation for why those jet powered robots are wearing human (well) skins.

That would require someone to pick completely different suicide squad members. No diablo, no pokadot man, or the witch. Instead they chose the movie group

Or you could just walk past those....no need to make things boring

they both still work there over a year later,

GOTG seriously is an underrated gem. Slept on as a result of Avengers.

@@qrowing Agreed.

@@qrowingit’s a fantastic game. If it had cone out BEFORE Avengers it probably would have done better. Avengers poisoned the well.

they are bipolar mostly, cause they definetly keep in tune with fans with some movies

I always include Origins. It’s a great game.

The previews really made me want a Justice League game, and they could sold TONS of skins.

Right there with you. As a fan of both the Squad & the League, this is not a mission that fits either of these characters. I know story wise the set up is that is supposed to be that the Squad is the desperate last choice but it just doesn’t fit these characters at all.

honestly the idea of a suicide squad game in which they take on the Justice League is kinda of dumb and not possible especially with no heavy hitters.

​@@CalvinChikelue I mean it fits waller to a T in literally everything I've seen her in so I don't know if I'd say it doesn't fit the squad since she is the one who puts it together and decides their ops. I can totally see her sending them on a suicide mission to kill the league hoping they can take down at least one or die trying while keeping them busy.

For all its MANY faults, Avengers did have you play as each unique character. They weren’t all doing the same thing. Iron Man didn’t feel like Captain America.

@@jonbodhi i'd agree with that up until the additional heroes were added. Hawkeye & Kate Bishop played exactly the same, Thor & Jane Foster Thor played the same, Cap & Black Panther felt very similar. Haven't played for a couple of months, but i felt Winter Soldier was the only 'unique' hero (post launch)

⁠@@thomashart3473woah you’re telling me thor and jane foster thor play the same) i would’ve never known

all diversity hires now

Not really he’s just covering his on ass, cause of his initial critique. Imagine if he use this same microscope with elden ring, TOTK, Witcher 3, Spider-Man 2, even Arkham knight. It would be the same results The game looks great