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Consulting is a very hit or miss career choice due to its dynamic and volatile nature. As I went through my career journey as a consultant, I noticed there were parts of this job that I did not expect, which I wish I knew before I joined consulting.
In this video I will talk about the following questions/topics:
(Should I pursue a career in consulting? Will consulting be the right choice for me? What do I need to know before joining consulting? What to expect as a consultant at a big 4 consulting firm (Deloitte, EY, PwC, KPMG). Work life balance as a consultant. Consulting Work Hours. Reality of being a consultant. Skill sets needed to be successful as a consultant)
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🌊 Hi everyone! I'm Mika Kim and I'm currently a senior software engineer at a FAANG company! In my prior life I used to be a consultant at Deloitte. I created this youtube channel t share my experiences from the tech industry, and consulting. I used to and still use youtube a LOT to gain info on fields of interests and I hope these videos do the same for you too! 😊
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@MikaKim 3 года назад

Alright I talked about why consulting might not be a right fit. Click here to watch a video on why I thought consulting was worth it in the end: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-eaTnQnjnGO8.html

@satyam3129 3 года назад

Just now I mailed to delloite for a job and RU-vid recommended this video. This big tech companies are harvesting our data :(

@tylermcdonald4375 2 года назад

What position did you start as before consultant or was that where you began at the company?

@MikaKim 2 года назад

@@tylermcdonald4375 this was my job out of undergrad!

@tylermcdonald4375 2 года назад

@@MikaKim thank you!

@flightcomputer2437 2 года назад

I'm a consultant. A psychiatric consultant. It's quite different.

@FrOsTyBeArKiD 3 года назад

"Why do you want to join consulting?" "For the exit opportunities."

@lightorchestrator 3 года назад

That''s why most people go into audit, that's why I wanted to go into audit. But instead I wound up in tax. I like it so far.

@lightorchestrator 3 года назад

@LaMelo Ball I'm still pretty new, I started last January. I work for Armanino and so far it's nothing like that. My worst work weeks have been 55 minimum billable hours and everyone is super awesome and likes working here. I have peers at Deloitte tax and other Big 4 firms and while I don't hear anything about stepping on one another a common complaint is hours and one of my peers who previously worked at PwC said it was all bad pretty much. People do generally seem happier at National and regional firms. I would do your best and hopefully you land. If it's your only offer take it and if you get more than one consider your options at the end of the recruiting cycle.

@NOCLUEinvalid 3 года назад

@LaMelo Ball interning doesn't mean full time. so you can treat interning as an experience in which you evaluate if its a good fit or not and then if not, you can rerecruit for full time. consulting is probably a lot more competitive than tax.

@Soccercrazyigboman 3 года назад

What's an exit opportunity?

@jerrypock7188 3 года назад

@LaMelo Ball i thought u play basketball???

@NOCLUEinvalid 3 года назад

don't join consulting if... 1. you do not enjoy working with others 1:06 2. you hate change and competition 2:48 3. you want a work life balance 4:19 4. you have a hard time saying no 7:03 5. you hate writing 9:08

@akahige1762 3 года назад

Thank you very much

@BeAwareFriends 2 года назад

Thanks buddy

@timothyayodele5439 2 года назад

Thanks!!

@denccvv1107 2 года назад

❤️

@archerkirk3631 2 года назад

thank you for saving me 10 minutes

@kunnykuni 3 года назад

Learning how to say "no" is a vital skill no matter what your job is and where you work.

@earlnoli 3 года назад

knowing when to say no is really the most important skill. Worst people are those that always seem to say no. Another is saying yes but can't deliver and blame you because you did not know they are incompetent and don't acknowledge it. So if you know you are good, the tendency is work will be pilled into your face and no one appreciates you and just complains if you don't deliver somehow because you have tons of items to do, all tactical and lots of technical debt. So I have learned to always minimize tactical even though 90% of work is tactical in consultancy. Planning is still strategic regardless they say it is tactical. Because at the end of the day, if issues happen, they will not accept the blame and you will not get enough time to fix problems. So you should always do something in a way no blowback comes back to you, and say No to stuff that you know will cause blowback. Say no to things damn if you do, damn if you don't. Might as well be damn if you don't. 😂 Who cares if they get angry. They will still get angry if you do it.

@kunnykuni 3 года назад

@@earlnoli Exactly ! I had a colleague that would always underestimate the lenght of a task and then, obviously, would be late. He was meaning well and trying to say what he thought people wanted to hear. Sadly, that led to many people being upset with him. I knew that so I would always ask him to reconsider his first assessment. But not everyone is like this. Of course, you need to learn WHEN to say NO. But first you've got to learn HOW to say NO. So many people are non confrontational and cannot refuse when asked. If you're a pushover, you're going to get flooded with work.

@Riyaz313 2 года назад

Really agree with you bro

@foca2002 2 года назад

I have a superior who cannot says no, even when he doesn't have tha authority to say yes or doesn't know if it's possible to do (I'm in the military now, so he is not my direct superior but is of a superior rank and working in the same department). So when someone needs a modification on one of the systems we have, they come to me, I say no can't do (since I'm the specialist I have authority to do this), they them go to him and ask if we (the department can delivery this), he says yes and come and give me a order to do, since now is a order from a superior ranking officer I have to do. But since I'm the specialist I have to do, but I'm not obligated to say when I will delivery because the priorities of the projects is decided by our boss who is way above him on the hierarchy. And this is the reason I have changes requests with more than three years. And more pilling up.

@kunnykuni 2 года назад

@@foca2002 Wow ! Sounds like you're in quite the pickle... Good thing you can at least adjust your own deadlines. Managers that say "yes" whithout asking their experts first are baffling to me.

@adamlasry1691 2 года назад

For young people leaving University -> joining a Big-4 consultancy for 3 to 4 years WILL help you learn what would take 10 years in an organisation. My advice is join a consultancy and gather as much information (structures, methodologies, etc knowledge slides, process assurance , assessment check lists, etc) and leave after 3 years to work for an organisation. Of course, if you enjoy your work, you may decide remain put.

@HtheKing 2 года назад

Hey, if you had to choose between an audit or management consulting graduate scheme, which would be the better option for a future move into deal advisory, particularly M&A. And then into IB/PE?

@HtheKing 2 года назад

@@adamlasry1691 thanks for the info, I'm curious why you would pick consulting over audit? Due to more transferable skills? I spoke to another M&A senior in the big 4 who said audit just slightly edges over consulting due to more technical knowledge. But the move can be done from consulting too

@user-yx1fg5ll8j 2 года назад

Is this opinion also applicable for sustainability/ESG consulting jobs?

@SerenitySpeaks143 2 года назад

This

@illjay20 2 года назад

@@HtheKing A lot folks who work in M&A Financial Advisory bucket at big 4 accounting firms spend some time in audit. I've seen some folks get the roles right out of school (this is tougher to do). From what I have seen, folks with some audit experience are generally able to get up to speed rather quickly because of the transferability of their audit background (hard skills). Have seen those same folks leave and go into banking, corporate development, in-house M&A teams, PE, VC, and/or consulting (operations) after. Management consulting at the big 3 (Bain, McKinsey, BCG) generally looked at as a tad more prestigious than even a big 4 for some work streams and even greater barrier to entry. So if you have the options to be at one of those in Management consulting, I would say, it considering, even over a big 4. Really depends what your goal is. I think after those Big 3 consulting, Big 4 accounting firms are next and some argue even better starting place for the depth of services offered, culture, and networking. I would say if you want to position yourself for the jump by leveraging management consulting (maybe transferring from audit or M&A to the consulting), of the big 4, Deloitte may have the advantage, only because their consulting group is the biggest of the big 4 and generally rank 4th on the list of top consulting firms. Sounds like you are in a good spot either way, best of luck.

@Sebastian-lv1dv 3 года назад

Consulting. Get in, earn the bag $$, learn skillsets, network, and get out.

@TheLordKitkat 3 года назад

@harlyslamm2888 3 года назад

lol, how do you earn Big $$...

@ikidakimasu 3 года назад

He said $$ not $$$$

@sberrios77 3 года назад

@@harlyslamm2888 You get yourself hired by a client at a level (and salary) you would never get if you came through the front door. Not bad for a dude with only 3 years of experience.

@JaxHO 3 года назад

So how many years you would advise?

@peonypink7943 Год назад

I got my first job at a Tier 1 engineering firm in environmental consulting. I was honestly shocked at the game-playing, manipulation, competition and aggressiveness of my colleagues. Me being someone who cares about others' wellbeing, didn't know what hit me. It is unbelievable how these organisations can promote such a toxic culture. I was efficient and others took credit for my work, stole my projects and more. Two years in I had severe burnout and it took me years to recover but I still feel the effects 10 years later and has severely impacted my career, finances and personal life. Nothing is worth working in such a toxic environment. Thanks for the video. Good luck to anyone wanting to pursue a career in consulting - my advice is to never climb over others in your journey to 'success'.

@ceerod9861 10 месяцев назад

Aww I’m so sorry to hear that!!! I HOPE you started trying to stand up and speak up for yourself a lil more, because yeah unfortunately there are very sneaky backstabbing and lying people who either try to steal credit or throw blame somewhere else, they are one of the worst and definitely make for an ugly environment! Good luck to you wherever ur at now!

@sunway1374 7 месяцев назад

The work places are full of incompetent people who need to play games to get ahead. That's what they do when they go to work every day. Pretend to work some of the time and spend most of the time taking advantage of the people who really care about the work.

@mozambique9113 6 месяцев назад

@@sunway1374full agree

@tinayechigidi8931 3 месяца назад

this is what happens in most organisations and its sickening.The culture makes u wanna throw up the first week.ihv been so unlucky with these fucked up companies with people who would bend and break every bit of morality just to get higher up the ladder.

@stylissia 2 месяца назад

@@ceerod9861you would think remote work helped the situation somewhat.

@mwood341 2 года назад

Growing up my dad was a consultant. Although his career definitely provided us with a very nice life, all my childhood I watched how he was overworked, always traveling, and always taking calls and e-mails and meetings when we were supposed to be having “family” time. When it came time for me to graduate college, he told me explicitly: choose any career path except consulting.

@emilyau8023 2 года назад

So weird my dad is a senior systems engineer and he had that same life and told me the same thing

@abelievereverrising283 Год назад

Here's some more advice: Avoid investment banking and corporate law

@mirabella2154 Год назад

@@abelievereverrising283 Dumb advice. Just cause you're not built for it, doesn't mean others aren't as well.

@dekippiesip Год назад

@Mira Bella it's all about what you enjoy. If you truly enjoy your job, it's like binge watching a series or playing an addictive video game. I know this firsthand as a data engineer. If I do stuff I like and make progress I just want to keep going. In that context working long hours isn't that bad. It's when you do grindy and boring work that it becomes draining.

@TheEchelon 10 месяцев назад

@@mirabella2154 This thread was about family life. If you don't want a family, then sure go ahead. Read between the lines...

@lesjean8530 3 года назад

The correct answer for the famous interview question ‘tell me about yourself’ is “I’d rather not”.

@MikaKim 3 года назад

😂

@edsaquascape7891 3 года назад

They don't have idea why the asked that

@thehowardtam 3 года назад

Anyone dare to do so?😂

@steevrawjers 3 года назад

or Good question, can you tell me what you know so far?

@gabrielasanchez2028 3 года назад

@anishray7401 3 года назад

She is right. I really appreciate her coming out and presenting these realities.

@TheAUniversityStuden 3 года назад

thanks mika for giving an honest view of consulting! it's such a breath of fresh air to have someone just talk about the facts, without trying to sell us the dream back when i was in uni, everybody would talk about how consulting was the dream job, and literally all my peers (and myself) tunnel visioned into getting into bain, mckinsey, big 4 etc. but yeah, thanks for giving a straight & down to earth explanation of the consulting world

@SH-ly1uy 2 месяца назад

Consulting is outsourcing. Only MBB is real consulting

@nkiruanyika 3 года назад

I’m so glad I didn’t get my consulting grad scheme , it was truly a blessing. I ended up working for start up and I’m so grateful I did. When things don’t work out it’s because something better is coming!

@111Econ 2 года назад

Such bullshit. You think about consulting everyday that’s why you clicked on this video.

@HtheKing 2 года назад

@@111Econ Jeez bro no need to hate lol. I think things do tend to work out in the end.

@lucaprataviera9018 2 года назад

hey please give me some advice how to start to work in a start up or consulting. I want to change my career

@josephhall2698 2 года назад

It's the £700,000 average salary PwC partners in the UK earn why I searched for Big 4 accountancy videos.

@Vbautista24 Год назад

@@111Econ tough love but correct

@ChannelEllie 3 года назад

Thank you Mika for creating this video, because I don't think I've ever seen anyone being this honest about the consulting job. I seriously would've never figured this out myself as a recent college graduate. Keep up the good work!(:

@MikaKim 3 года назад

Thank you for your comment! That really means a lot :) If you have any other insights or questions please feel free to let me know :)

@MrBunny53 2 года назад

@@MikaKim What exactly is consulting? Is it a business analyst type role?

@smartwalnut 2 года назад

Haha. Excellent summary. I also worked for one of the big four when I was young (in my time it was the big five). Most of the frustrations you have described are due to poor management skills and absolutely tragic communication between the senior levels, who deal with the senior leaders of the client, and the people on the ground who actually do the work. Consultancies are not the only sector that suffers from this. But hey, we were young and were surfing on all the adrenaline and cortisol this lifestyle brings :) I personally enjoy the regular change, the working with a different client and a different team each six months, but I joined a smaller company later in life where I had more flexibility - and I learned that cherishing the lunch hour improves the team dynamics and work/life balance improves focus and productivity. The "you do this asap because I said so" it's just an ego ride which is actually bad for business in the long term.

@HaddyJeng 2 года назад

This was a great honest video! I think too many times consulting and similar industries are sugar-coated but I'm glad you kept things super transparent

@nickpearce2968 2 года назад

I've been with a consulting firm for nearly 25 years. I'm a partner and on the leadership team. Mika is absolutely correct. I'm fortunate because I work for a relatively small company and we've created a family environment. The management and leadership are key to a great experience-that's critical to evaluate when considering joining a consulting firm. Work life balance is always something to monitor. However, being overworked isn't restricted to consulting. I think this a consistent theme in the majority of IT projects.

@mohammadfahimzarin7473 2 года назад

I am an MBA student and I will finish my course later this year, I watch this video and I got worried but when I read your comment I feel good because I thought all the bosses are like this they don't care about their employees and will not be supportive but after reading your comment I feel ok because there are some bosses that can be supportive and look after their employees WLB.

@muhammedsafvan8340 2 года назад

What was your sallary as consultant..

@Bambotb 2 года назад

How are kids going to consult for big people?

@recursion. 2 года назад

Family environment 🚩🚩🚩

@geethsan1567 Год назад

@@recursion. Lol at the end of the day you are still a replaceable asset but having a nicer working environment where everyone isn't trying to screw you over is still better than a shit one.

@make_the_world_better_place 2 года назад

The world needs more people like you - honest and speaking up your mind. Thank you!

@sarahapr 3 года назад

hi, just found your channel from my timeline, and YESSS ALL OF THEM ARE EXACTLY TRUE 😂😂 got these stories from a friend like when she complained a lot about the whole thing - the politics, the “yes man” employee, the competition, the working hours. it’s so relatable to my friend’s story! and she alr moved out tho. 😂 stay healthy! and will be enjoying more of your videos 😊

@rodolfozepeda2064 2 года назад

In my own experience working as a consultant, the most mentally draining thing is the intense unfair competition between colleagues. In my opinion, this is due to the individual growth structure in the consulting career and not in growing the business practice as a work team.

@joere4251 2 года назад

You need to consider the culture of the organization in your decision-making process. Publicly traded, privately held, and employee-owned companies all have unique cultures based on how they incentive growth and professional development.

@alanjyu Год назад

Very interesting because the research says that collaborative working cultures tend to produce greater burnout because you're not just doing your own job. Japan and other Asian countries are extremely collaborative, and people do burn out in this part of the world.

@no_more_spamplease5121 7 месяцев назад

@@alanjyuProbably the reality is that, in late, frenetic capitalism, humans are burning out everywhere.

@scottkelly6350 2 года назад

I'm not yet in consulting, but I do have some life experience. I think this is good thought and I appreciate that you are leaving a lot of the anger out. I do feel that most of these five things will make you a better person. Namely learning to work with people, adapting to change, challenging yourself, learning to say no, and understanding that writing and reading are a way of life in the white collar world. I would say the only one that is personally detrimental or violates personal growth is #3 work life balance. I will certainly have to navigate and negotiate what I want and am willing to do on this front, but nevertheless I think everyone should be striving to self-actualize in the other four areas so I don't think overall the changes that consulting brings is a bad thing. Note: I realize this is not the point you are are trying the make. I'm just point out that this video may be a call up to those watching it, rather than a call out on the big 4.

@SonNguyen-hx2fu 3 года назад

My own experience: unhealthy competition among colleagues. They might not say/show it in front of you, but you will definitely get hit with something like this: “oh I heard this person was so this so that” from another manager. Toxic environment.

@dendi1076 3 года назад

performance reviews are sabotaged by peers that u trust most. toxic af backstabbing competition

@msims1910 2 года назад

YES! The worst part of this job! Absolutely hunger games type!

@Thanho-gk4od 2 года назад

Em chào anh. Em đang có định hướng theo consultant, em có thể connect anh được không ạ?

@ecofriendlyify 3 года назад

I started my career with a big four consultancy. And can 100% relate with your experience. Thanks for sharing.

@MrBunny53 2 года назад

What exactly is consulting? Is it a business analyst type role?

@hellucination9905 Месяц назад

@@MrBunny53It's actually 'body leasing'.

@temitopeolatinwo 3 года назад

This is so true. I got in to one of the big four right after graduation and quit after a year for these reasons - I was literally burning out. I wish all new grads aspiring to go into consulting especially with the big four would actually listen to advice like this and assess if they can actually fit into this world before blindly delving into it.

@mustakinali6459 3 года назад

Was this in the UK? Or america?

@temitopeolatinwo 3 года назад

Nope. It was in Nigeria

@Beebeepbooboop 2 года назад

Did they make you travel a lot or something?

@faitie6970 2 года назад

@@temitopeolatinwo So sorry! What was it like? Recently got interested in the idea of working in consulting but don't know especially in this country and our crazy work ethics.

@graceadeleye6690 2 года назад

Will like to hear more. Considering working in consulting but work life balance is key to me

@AronPrince1967 Год назад

Whew! You helped me dodge a bullet so to speak. I'm finishing my master's in Human Resource Management and Development at NYU in May 2023. Recruiters are after us, and my gut kept telling me I needed more of this kind of insight than what was being presented to us. Grateful.

@RuzeReine 3 года назад

Such a good video! When I was in uni, consulting was so overhyped and it felt like everyone wanted to get into consulting. Nobody ever talks about why NOT to get into consulting! Glad that my introverted self is in a research-focused role instead 🤣

@kawaiikoibito3268 3 года назад

May I ask what specific role your in now?

@sodamkim749 3 года назад

I’m also curious ☺️

@RuzeReine 3 года назад

@@kawaiikoibito3268 hellooo, I'm in an analyst role for a financial markets data company! doing research & write ups on various market transactions

@HtheKing 2 года назад

@@RuzeReine That sounds super interesting, can you give a bit more info on what you do day to day?

@sams517 2 года назад

@@RuzeReine how does one get into that role with no experience?

@moseskim3942 3 года назад

Thanks for sharing an honest video on consulting that was engaging and straight to the point!

@MikaKim 3 года назад

Thank you Moki ☺️ Means a lot to me!

@karinebuinier8351 2 года назад

@Moki Coffee What kind of words would U use to say no and be polite at the same time ?

@PetterHughes 3 года назад

Great video, all those things you pointed out actually apply to me! There was alot of competition and networking involved in getting jobs in the big 4, which I avoided! And I noticed this video has 35k views, which is way more than your other videos which only have like hundreds or thousands of views!

@VictoriaSobocki 2 года назад

Now it has more than 600k views!

@ryner.k4963 3 года назад

It took 1st 2 minutes for me to hit the subscribe button. You seemed like a person who get to the main points straightforward.

@narayananm9156 2 года назад

Very true ! As anything else, everyone is built to do certain things. Choosing the industry and job that is right for you is key. In Consulting , you sometimes get carried away with the trend ignoring your inner voice. So make sure you listen to inner voice and choose what is right for you. You will have a better life.

@JL-nb1yc 8 месяцев назад

I just got about five and a half minutes into your video and noped out of this career path. Thank for giving me your inside perspective. You have just saved me a whole lot of time, and even protected me from the misery, should I have gotten that type of job.

@georgeta1115 Год назад

Thank you very much for this very helpful informative video!

@chatvimon Год назад

@sakisrouvas7112 That is true, you need an expert broker and account manager to make good profit from Bitcoin trade.

@MrMondayMornings Год назад

Everything Mika shared is 100% so true! Thanks for sharing Mika!

@shomatsu19 3 года назад

i'm a lawyer and these are the exact same cons for the law career! when i hear my phone goes ding i get anxious every single time lol

@BD-qv1tc 2 года назад

Nice video Mika. Didn't know you were active on RU-vid. Well made too. Great points also; essentially why I opted not to join when an attempt was made to recruit me at the end of the TMX gig. It pained me to see you guys being made to work so much and hard but such is the industry as you described.

@sellawihelmina9257 2 года назад

I'm here because of youtube recommendation, and so glad cause I didn't find any worst case about working at consulting company on google. I love your advice, please keep doing it!

@luiz6041 3 года назад

Thank you a lot for being that honest about the job. I was interested in becoming a consultant, but watching your vídeo , and others on youtube, definitely I'm not the right guy.

@plumblend3823 3 года назад

I worked 5 years at a Big Four - you are speaking from my heart!

@vinaterian1524 3 года назад

Thanks for sharing. I agree with all the points you mentioned in the viddeo. I was also a consultant from a big 4 company and i really glad that i did this. Consulting taught me how to deal with different people in different situation and manage their expectation which basically is needed for every jobs. However, it is hard to pursue your personal interest in developing a certain skill since you always tend to learn the skills which are required to be the perfect "hat" for the client. And that was the reason i left consulting to pursue the career path which i'm passionate about.

@MrBunny53 2 года назад

What is it that you're passionate about?

@girlin_wonderland02 2 года назад

It really depends on the personal choices. What you said, I agree. But I feel every job have some advantages and disadvantages. Few people may not like consulting jobs but there are a lot of opportunities and scope for consulting role and also salary is good for this role. Even a business analyst has to write. But somehow it improves our writing skills too and helps to understand project requirements. For Inside Sales role also, we need to write, convince the customers and its target based. So every job have some advantages and disadvantages. As you said, we need to work with different clients, which is good. We will eventually learn to adapt, we will be interactive, proactive. If we need money, we need to do hardwork.

@ak6877 2 года назад

On the bright side you’ll learn a lot. For those of us who are not in such challenging environment have to be proactive else you’ll basically forget all your skills.

@mkj9670 3 года назад

My mother said to never compare yourself to others. You can reach great success. Too much competition divides the team and customers. It was good that you walked away from it.

@BoloBouncer 2 года назад

One thing I learned pretty quickly is that if you feel like you're in an "ok" or "neutral" mood, then most people will interpret that you're in a bad mood or that you don't like them. And you will be weeded out (not just in consulting, but from any group) very quickly based on that alone.

@ABC-ABC1234 Год назад

That comment made ZERO sense?!

@TheRaphzahn Год назад

So true. Making a happy face everyday is often considered as fake-attitude but people can't often handle the normal neutral mood of the person

@Belihoney 8 месяцев назад

Ooohhh I wish I could shake your hand right nooooowww, you get it!!!!

@BoloBouncer 8 месяцев назад

@@Belihoney That's the right energy! Right here! You get it too!

@mrrootytooty5797 8 месяцев назад

I fucking hate being chipper when i'm not in the mood, i consider people who are stoked all the time as fucking terrorists.

@malek4581 2 года назад

Me as an introvert: I had been a consultant for 2.5 years. I was always depressed, anxious, severely underpaid, had no work life balance, and always feeling burnt out. It was clearly a mistake but had no other options. Now that I moved to another country, I'm having a last stage interview for a consulting firm next week and I'm already thinking of calling it off when all of a sudden your video shows me and reminds me of the horrors I endured 😂 NEVER AGAIN

@_Sharon_J 2 года назад

Heey, did you call it off? 😃

@malek4581 2 года назад

@@_Sharon_J Yes, I did call it off

@shravangupta4828 2 года назад

@@malek4581 😁

@Jojo-vv9ue 2 года назад

@Malek did you end up changing careers? Would love to know how you're doing now 😊

@etcwhatever Год назад

@@malek4581 ive been through this in the banking industry for 2.5 yrs just like you. Just find something more stable. Honestly i recommend something like procurement or a support role in a multinational company that has their own resources and doesnt rely on consulting much. Im in the food industry and i much prefer it.

@jeremiahpreston8350 2 года назад

This was very good, clear, and accurate feedback. Thank you for posting this video!

@antonsamsonov9752 Год назад

Thank you for sharing some stories and advice on the job, and for forming a solid image about what consultants do and don't

@grimrenegade7786 2 года назад

Hey Mika, thanks for the perspective, it is true that any consulting jobs can be very demanding and these kind of workloads doest not give any concern for well being of a normal human. Nevertheless though from the business side we still need this kind of consultant often, especially in modern times. I think the government should took a real to remind these consulting agencies that those who worked for them are a real human being, so stop exploiting them so much.

@reptilematt3000 2 года назад

Thanks for the video. I graduate in December and Deloitte was my top choice. Glad to have more honest inside information on this

@martinmckowen1588 2 года назад

I used to work for an MBB company with a very different approach to work/personal time. We would never contacted on weekends. Also we had a lot of more mature consultants who were more happy to say no. Also, working long hours is usually an example that the manager hasn’t clarified the story that they wish to tell.

@wimmulder3623 Год назад

Tgh

@salexander3801 Год назад

the closing sentence!!

@user-bo2yb1zi4w 3 года назад

저는 한국에서 빅4 컨설팅 다니고 있는 2년차 주니어인데, 정말 구구절절 공감이네요.. 해외도 한국이랑 똑같군요..ㅋㅋㅋㅋ 엄청난 경쟁과 정치, 누군가를 밟아야만 선택될 수 있다는 압박감, 끊임없이 저의 가치를 증명해야하는 환경, 모든 Stakeholder가 저를 평가하고, 계속해서 새로운 인더스트리와 다양한 프로젝트이 적응해야하고..ㅠㅠ 넘 공감해서 구독 눌렀어요,,, 미카님 엄청난 결정을 하셨네요! 멋있습니다~! 앞길을 응원할게요!!

@MikaKim 3 года назад

안녕하세요! 반갑습니다 :) 맞아요 ㅜㅜ 저도 결국 번아웃이 너무 심하게 와서 결국은 이직하기로 마음 먹은거였거든요. 그래도 워낙 배운것도 많고 좋은 기회들도 있었어서 후회는 없어요! 감사합니다! 먀먀리냐냐님도 힘내시길 바랄게요! 💪

@alanjyu Год назад

Interesting video. You definitely have managed to successfully discourage many of us from doing consulting. Personally, I love writing and I'm very good writer and I have written a book. However, writing is a very slow and refined process. I don't think I could function in that kind of environment. I think the work would actually make me hate writing.

@monicawibisono3111 2 года назад

thank you for spill the tea it noona!!! i really need that coz no one in my circle gonna talk about it. they just gonna see that the more big company, more success carrer without consider that problem

@rinikaangelon9086 Год назад

Loved the video Mika. From someone who’s faced this side of consulting, refreshing to see the opinion is unanimous

@thestockmarketowl4253 3 года назад

coming from a big 4 tax group I agree with all points! I do see more and more people leaving big 4 (especially post covid) and poor souls remaining will have more and more to work on until the whole industry reforms

@MikaKim 3 года назад

I really hope that kind of culture can change for the better :(

@Pritipatil22 3 года назад

That's right! Attrition rate is super high right now and the ones that stayed back are definitely feeling that burnout. I guess after a point you just stop caring!

@socialtravel1859 3 года назад

Hey same is the case with Taxation department . As i was thinking to join it.

@IoaFanny 3 года назад

Hi Mika! I'm looking forward for a video on the pros of being a consultant! Thank you 😊😊

@MikaKim 3 года назад

Thanks for the suggestion! That's definitely in my to do list and I'll film one soon :)

@yuminghuang8064 3 года назад

@@MikaKim please do , these cons and harsh stories are scaring the shit out of me . I just finished my final interview for a consultancy position at big 4

@ravindrabagali8823 3 года назад

Spot On ..... exactly my experience too. Thank god for RU-vid.

@transplantman2287 Год назад

I appreciate this a lot, thank you! You gave lots of specific information about your experience and defined the different terms you used. Very informative!

@chkam3139 3 года назад

Accurate (I'm was senior mgr, Big4, as well as a former boutique mgmt consulting firm). It is not everyone's cup of tea. Ironically enough, I spent time as a police officer early in my life. That sort of prepared me for (1) talking with plenty of random people to get information, (2) dealing with uncooperative people that lie to you (3), long working hours under a great deal of stress. It helped that I had good mentors when I first moved into consulting but I found much of the social skills to be similar.

@dianahuhn3105 3 года назад

Hi, that's very funny, because I have a job interview for becoming a consultant next week and worked in my earlier life as a police officer as well. Would you decide for the same job if you had the choice again? I also have the option between deloitte consulting and in-house consulting from another company

@chkam3139 3 года назад

@@dianahuhn3105 Life sometimes offer you opportunities and if the timing is right, take it and don't look back. I suggest you take the DC option as it would give you much greater exposure and exit options. Consulting is really about exit options, which you will not get if you go in-house. NB: I was from Deloitte Consulting until last month :)

@mustakinali6459 3 года назад

What is it that you do now?

@Nick-tp4xy 2 года назад

@@dianahuhn3105 Can I ask how you both went from police into consulting in terms of study or application route? It seems to me that career change is not easy as most job applications are looking for recent graduates.

@dianahuhn3105 2 года назад

@@Nick-tp4xy sure, in my case I had to quit police service directly after getting detective degree, because of medical issues. So I restarted and studied business with real estate specification (at least it was completely paid by my employer back then). Thanks to a security project I managed during my second study experience, I got a scholarship for a semester abroad and then after my second study degree it was pretty easy to find a job, because of the "Police USP".

@mysteriousshadowofdoom2311 3 года назад

Oof, graduating this May and going into Big 4 consulting... some of these definitely apply to me, so wish me luck!

@NOCLUEinvalid 3 года назад

good luck!!

@hwakeb 2 года назад

The 5 points relate so much to me and more. Thank you for the video. Finally someone brave talking about about the hidden sad reality of working in big four.

@MrBond007shiv 2 года назад

This video is way underrated. Every point was so logically explained. Thanks Mika❤️💐

@kristenk708 Год назад

Did not expect this video to be 100% truth. My first job was in consulting and I had no idea what I was getting myself into and about none of the things mentioned here. Working full days, I never said no, maneger was manipulating us and also taking the best projects. I didn't feel we are a team but like everyone is against one another. I was burned out and unhappy. I'm not there anymore and never going back to consultancy

@ceerod9861 10 месяцев назад

Which firm did u work for? Did u ever share any of these issues with anyone? I hear certain ones have a much more competitive cut throat atmosphere n therefore less friendly. It’s like maybe ppl throwing others under the bus or generally just watching out for themselves only. It could also be that people in general just suck too lol. It is weird tho and unfortunate when I hear stories of people of any level lying, stealing or trying to take things like credit, hours, or just not give credit to really good people. N I’ve heard, like you might say about people not being a team, others will do less work, leave it to others to pick up slack, lie, or even take up more time for one group working on protect to leaving the other group with a fraction of the time the other group took and is then expected to do it the day of and weekends. It’s real if ugly and selfish behavior. So I wonder, is it the same in all the big 4? I hope you also leave a comment to whatever firm you worked for, to help point out obvious unhealthy behaviors that put stress or make people feel alone, and like Mika said, regarding clients, some can be temperamental. That emergency thing she speaks of, I hear yeah some people are notorious for that, which they don’t think of the unhealthy unnecessary pressure they are giving people and then you wonder why stress kills people! Oh n then like Mika said lol it wasn’t even really an emergency! Those are very selfish people! Good luck tho wherever ur at now, hope it’s better and a better environment! :)

@rayyyyy999 Месяц назад

if you don't mind me asking, what did you do after consulting?

@AndoNoSekai 3 года назад

I have been working in consulting for most of my career. What I hate the most about it, is how little value non deliverable requirements matter to them. For example software architecture, which I value greatly, isn't taken into account. Projects I have lead the architecture of have been delivered on or ahead of deadlines. But to a consultancy, how maintainable, flexible etc the code base is doesn't matter much, as the code base doesn't belong to them. They, in the end, just want to deliver in the time that was agreed upon

@RichGann 3 года назад

I have been debating whether to put out a similar video based on my 6 years in Big 4... Well done.

@made432 2 года назад

please do

@srishtigarg1861 2 года назад

More Power to you for bringing out the reality of this industry so that one is not making decision to join consulting blindly

@MrRoRo07 3 года назад

I used to work for two of the Big4 companies, so I agree with every point you mentioned

@htr1610 3 года назад

Your video is a concise, sweet and creative version of "House of Lies: How Management Consultant Steal Your Watch and Then Tell You the Time." Thank you for sharing your thoughts!

@annapolianskaia8379 Год назад

Thank U! so much for this video! Very honest, straightforward and valuable info

@JAMSU0411 2 года назад

Totally agree! Im currently working in advisory of one of big4 and what you said are truth lol btw we also get the good experiences with various big clients as well...that's a good point :)

@thebachelorpad1110 Год назад

As a tech consultant, I truly agree with each and every word Mika said here. Being from a computer science background, I feel out of space, most of the time because of the sheer chaos.

@mckungsmakong 3 года назад

I was so stressed out by trying not to be so stressed. 😅 A lot of the work culture you mentioned is also applied to a lot of other roles as well. These have been the last 4 years of my life. A lot of crises, everything is urgent no matter how well planning has been done there will always be something that's urgent and last minutes. And thing goes wrong all the time.

@Bazlightyear007 11 месяцев назад

Can relate to the burnout. You have to learn to market yourself effectively. It’s not for everyone.

@cindyc9610 Год назад

This is sooo true!! Thank you for this video!!

@ArmelTekam 3 года назад

THIS ACTUALLY CONVINCED ME THIS IS FOR ME

@xibalxibalba 3 года назад

Omg i love it 😂

@MB-ml3er 3 года назад

After I graduated, McKinsey tried to lure me into their world with pizza parties etc which I never attended. I was never convinced about the consulting approach and what this kind of job does. I know several who joined consulting companies - they all left, I heard horrible stories about mgmt and working hours there. Colleague competition seems to be at its worst there, too. People join consulting companies for the salary and opportunities which might open after leaving the consulting company. I understand now that already the interview process selects personalities of candidates who are very adaptable, socially, and yes-sayers. Nothing I personally fit in. Glad I never applied. Your video confirms that I would hate this job. Hey, I don't even like travelling!

@Skelkro 3 года назад

Sounds fake, pizza party really lol? McKinsey doesn't give a shit about you. While you sit here typing this nonsense there are tens of thousand of students waiting in line trying to to break into MBB.

@kolobok3882 Год назад

And what did you end up doing?

@MB-or8js Год назад

@@kolobok3882 Science. Successfully for > 20 years now.

@OladipupoAdaraloye 3 года назад

Oh whoa thanks Mika for great insight knowledge, i would have never thought its like that most of the time. This video has really open up my mind about consulting.

@PauloXavier Год назад

Very accurate and useful! Good job!

@davidj.4553 3 года назад

im on the verge of accepting a consultant role with the big 4 and this was really helpful! thanks

@ParksRec 2 года назад

What’s it been like?

@abidnordin9717 3 года назад

"I had to pull up my laptop, in the middle of a crowded street car to fix something on this deck" lol been there done that

@tomahawk1556 3 года назад

Thank You So Much for your Honesty Mika! Stay Safe & Stay Humble! 🕯🌷🌿🌍🇺🇸

@pankajlad8283 2 года назад

A very well comparision with a cap. It is quite very true. Thanks Mika.

@Viper4ever05 3 года назад

College has ruined "teamwork" for me, I hate working with others so I automatically hate this job.

@ianlee6769 3 года назад

Freaking truth

@mfvech7720 3 года назад

Ugh Same, is there any jobs that dont involved teamwork ?

@duncansiror5033 3 года назад

@@mfvech7720 lol right?

@mfvech7720 3 года назад

@@duncansiror5033 my sister works as front office and she is lot happier, do u think that's one of non teamwork job ?

@NOCLUEinvalid 3 года назад

omg true. esp virtual group projects. in person group projects are better

@robdog114 3 года назад

I heard one of the benefits of being a consultant is being surrounded by a lot of assertive type A personalities and learning to become the same.

@zvxcvxcz Год назад

That's just the nice way of saying you're surrounded by assholes and become one.

@robdog114 Год назад

@@zvxcvxcz No, just because some people have strong personalities doesn't meet they are assholes

@Yourdaddy_2024 7 месяцев назад

Wrong! They are.

@wagsbass 2 года назад

The best dumbed down overview of consulting

@pamelaguerrero4158 2 года назад

This is was super helpful. I recently left non-for-profit work, and it sounds equally as awful. The work environment is everything

@vaibhavnitsure4101 3 года назад

I am currently an intern in Big4 After watching this it seems challenging :) Thanks for insights.

@altrigeone573 2 года назад

How are you man? Any story yet? Please tell us Hahaha

@vaibhavnitsure4101 2 года назад

@@altrigeone573 Dude you asked about my story lol Buckle up for this one haha.. I wrote my online tests of aptitude in August 2020 after thorough evaluation of every single person in my college I got selected in round 1 Then there were several interviews where I answered pretty much everything they asked and got selected.. I started working as an intern for 6 months so that brings us to the end of my internship that is in July.. And in the first week of July I get an email saying my offer will not be promoted to full time associate, not because I didn't perform well in my internship, not because I didn't have the skill to be what they expected me to be, not because of any error in my work but for the aptitude test they got us to write as round 1 assessment and which they had checked and selected me for... Our college has a policy that if we accept an offer we cannot attend any other placements on campus... Sadly I accepted this offer so I have to literally avoid interviews in the month of August and September of 2020... Just because of one stupid mistake of this company I suffered a lot.. It surely was a great lesson I cannot deny that but heck this hit a lot hard on my confidence though.. No regrets I only got stronger..now I am working in a much better company and working in the field which I truly like 🙂

@altrigeone573 2 года назад

@@vaibhavnitsure4101 so you did well for 6 months, and then unable to continue because those aptitude test in the beginning?? But still nice to hear you got a new and better place right now..

@vaibhavnitsure4101 2 года назад

@@altrigeone573 yes Thank you 🙂

@gambit3950 3 года назад

In consulting for 1.5 hours, can relate a lot. Hate being understaffed on a project and very frustrated with partners over promising work which makes me have no work life balance

@MikaKim 3 года назад

I'm really sorry to hear that and I feel your pain! One thing that helped me push through this was to come up with a support system (colleagues, friends, family) and also to make a plan of what you foresee your career looking like. So for instance if you have an exit strategy in mind, then you have that end light you can look forward to and have a purpose while going through these grindy times

@XAE_A_Xii 3 года назад

@@MikaKim shouldn't there be some law that would punish managers for creating such environments where you have to work insane hours just not to be fired. that's like being silently threatened all your career life.

@ReedoAce 2 года назад

@@XAE_A_Xii there is no such thing as HR in a business because HR is owned by the business

@XAE_A_Xii 2 года назад

@@ReedoAce HR is human resource, many organisations have this department, unless we are speaking about different stuff

@ReedoAce 2 года назад

@@XAE_A_Xii yes but the HR org is not autonomous. If there is an employee that goes to HR because there is an issue, HR will conduct an investigation and speak to the people that run the business. The employee thinks HR will look out for them when in reality HR only works on behalf of the business executives. It is the business that calls the shots on HR. HR are just employee like any other that live pay packet to pay packet. They can be disposed of at anytime

@Jameswithu1989 2 года назад

Thank you for sharing your experience! I’ve always wanted to know

@anandgoud4120 3 года назад

So so relatable... and so true... being in consulting field myself, i can totally agree with this :( thanks a lot great set of advice for next gen entrants.

@straighter100 3 года назад

I can actually get what you went through, I co-founder a startup and what your describing is VERY similar to what I went through 😭 I wish I had said 'no' more often

@HK-jx7iz 3 года назад

This is true worked for PwC, please add Accenture also in the list

@ethantehfitness 2 года назад

Very insightful video, thanks for sharing Mika! :))

@BBBri57 2 года назад

"Work life balance means different things to different people"- that is gold :-), sadly I know what you mean. Great video, thanks for posting.

@huydoan57 3 года назад

Thank you for sharing your experience. Your meme is exactly what I looked at consulting jobs and I have opened up new perspectives today.

@TheAppleman352 Год назад

Hi guys! I’ve worked for Kpmg for about 2 years now, I hate my life and have developed seasonal depression through the scheduled busy seasons. Take care!

@161BMW Год назад

Consultant or accountant ?

@salexander3801 Год назад

have mercy! LEAVE!!

@JobInterviewsWithDarren Год назад

Never stay in any job for 2 years if you hate it!

@nibeditaful Год назад

i can feel her. Each word is true .More power to You Mika Kima\m/

@eza9071 2 года назад

My whole perspective has changed, she saved my life no joke.

@TheCommentrator 2 года назад

This is so true and I must say this is valid across Geography.

@RyotaRyoichi 2 года назад

I just got accepted at one of the big 4 consulting firm. I am currently watching your video while I am writing this comment and I think I can relate to some of the points in the video such as working with others or competitive environment since I have heard it before from others too. However, when it comes to politics, I'm not the type of person that like to bring other people down just to shine brighter but I have heard about office politic too. I am still new at my current company but I am hoping that I can do well. I am not saying that I am going to work forever at this company because I don't know what is going to happen in the future but I just really hope that I am going to do well. This video is very informative! ^^ Love this!

@apricusenchant2825 2 года назад

So how is it going now dude

@BuzziMuzzi 2 года назад

How’s it going? I got accepted too and it’s been my second day and i’m absolutely LOVING it

@RyotaRyoichi 2 года назад

@@apricusenchant2825 It's going quite well

@RyotaRyoichi 2 года назад

@@BuzziMuzzi congrats and enjoy it!

@carlosalbertosantosrosajun5639 Год назад

This was a very negative vision but an awesome video overall, because you really dive deep in things we could never know as we have not experienced them (yet). Thank you for the knowledge shared and all the insights