video is unavailable, but I would guess it's Las Vegas last lap, right? Perez probably saw your video prior to the race and decided not to overreact :)
This was more of a Perez mistake than anything else. After the race Perez tried to cover himself by saying what a great battle it was, without drawing attention to the fact that he was too defensive into T1.
@@TheForestal12 Can't stand fanboyism, any pro driver would have done the same. This video even shows that, did you watch or just come to worship one driver?
I'd love to see a full insight on alonso's holding for 20 laps Perez. It's gotta be interesting how he managed to do it switching lines and managing battery. I think even Perez’s engineer was telling him to copy alonso’s line in last corner
I would also like to see that. The trajectories were really different between Perez and Alonso. And what's more, Alonso changed his lines at the end of the race before being overtaken by Perez. I would like to know why.
I think Perez used same tight line for most of it. This caused him to get out of Alonso slipstream, also probably because of tail wind on all run up finish line. Using this tight line also will force you to "kiss" inside wall causing some turbulence because air will reflect back at you, adding little extra drag and losing a bit more of top speed.
@@dallas_barrif you minimalize corner speed, you can turn faster in the corner without it burning up your tyres. That's what he did. Using these lines, it's also easier to give up a bit of entry speed for more exit speed. Especially in the last corner, where the long straight is, this is mighty beneficial because you carry this exit speed all the way to turn one. The line makes it seem like perez gets close every time, when in reality alonso will be one step ahead of perez turning wise every time, and he's therefore able to get on the throttle as early as possible to try and defend in that tractor of an aston martin.
@@dallas_barrI wonder if it has to do with the two cars' different design & setup. Or potentially diff lock settings? The corner is banked, but not that much to where usually it would be faster to take the apex, but perhaps Alonso preferred losing .05s potential to get a consistent run every time vs higher risk in potentially losing .3s if his rear end got loose getting on the power taking the inside line
@cnbcnb000 Sorry to break it to you, but that Aston wasn't a tractor this weekend. They qualified P3&P4 (including Lance whose generally slower than Alonso) and Alonso finished on the podium holding off a Red Bull. If he had a GP2 engine he wouldn't have lasted 3 laps, nor would Sfroll have beaten Sainz in the Ferrari
incorrect, when following other cars you always pull out of the slipstream a little bit to brake faster so by staying in the slip stream, which alonso did, he would have baited him into thinking alonso was going for a dive bomb and pull out of the slip stream last second (or millisecond rather). Still very poor judgement by perez
I think its easy to judge while seeing it all in slow motion one step at a time. But looking in these tiny rear view mirrors to see if your opponent is close enough to do a move into the breaking zone while doing 300+kph and all that while trying to hit the breaking point, get the car to turn in to hit the apex and get back on the throttle is "a bit" harder. I think you loose when you hold your line, misjudge you opponents distance and get overtaken while breaking and also loose when you misjudge and move to the inside, just to compomise your exit.
My exact sentiments. They are mistakes but they’re bound to happen in a sport that demands you to react & adapt so fast, constantly. But at the end of the day, it’s what decides winning and losing in this sport.
Verstappen did the same mistake as well against Hamilton in 2021, but Hamilton won't get the same recognition as Alonso and Verstappen won't get the same criticism as Perez simply because that's how the F1 community pick sides to credit or discredit.
It would have been nice to draw a parallel with lap 63 of the 2021 Hungarian GP: Lewis forced Alonso to cover the inside line into turn 1, which would have ruined Alonso's exit and allowed Lewis to overtake him, but Alonso was able to overcome the disadvantage very smartly and kept ahead of Lewis
I love seeing that move, I don't know why drivers don't do it more often when they defend the inside. Just don't accelerate out of the corner until the car is straightened up.
@@mobyhuge4346 actually Hamilton tried to go for a switchback after Hungary T1, which is very easy to park the car on the apex. it's actually pretty hard to do a switchback at that corner. He would have had a better chance to overtake Alonso if he tried a divebomb into T1, because then Alonso would be forced to try for a switchback
@@F1_HQ but the problem is Alonso was braking very late going into T1 hence why Hamilton chose to do the switchback because Alonso made it his only option in that corner
When Pérez overtook Alonso he didnt go full defensive and left a room in the inside as a "bait" for Pérez to go in, this way he would compromise his (Pérez) t1 entry so he (Alonso) could have an oportunity to reoverke Pérez again in t4. What a brain...
Yeah, this is true somewhat. If he defended full inside, his exit will be poor and Perez would have another go into T4. Sometimes racing is a bit like chess game where you have to think two steps ahead.
@@Spyker8921a drunk Liverpool fan was just bantering about how Liverpool is the greatest club in the world and everyone laughed at him and the Liverpool fan said “I’m bein’ sherious!” In a very heavy Liverpool accent, it’s a meme I’m pretty sure
Max play his dirty tactics while defending. He moves to inside early ,then he let the defender overtake early into the corner, and then he divebombs into them pushing them off the track while staying in the tracklimits to the last millimetre , making it look all LEGAL by laws . That's some brilliant and ruthless racing tactic , unlike the other drivers who panic and protect the inside line as shown in the video. But no matter whatever maneuver he did in Brazil 2021 , eventually Lewis would have overtaken him effortlessly. RB had no answer to MB's new engine that day .
Can we all apreciate that beautifull sound of the mercedes V10 on kimi’s Mclaren mp4/20 what a beautifull car that was a real shame it wasn’t realible enough to win the 2005 championship, also this race in Brazil 2023 was again one of those races in wich Fernando Alonso showed us all his magic in the art of defending
Fernando has the same podiums as perez in the most dominant car in f1 history,lewis just one less yet close to topple perez out of p2 from the standings come abudhabi. If mclaren or aston catchup to rb eventually next season,perez is going to cost redbull constructors for sure.
@@cayden2744 yeah if mclaren are good from race one and perez is still driving,it’s going to be redbull for drivers title and mclaren for constructors,it’ll be a shame for redbull loosing the constructors title despite building car that gaps everyone with moby dick margins.
Keep in mind that these guys are doing this at like 300kph+ usually coming up to a braking point, they're not always looking in the mirror the whole time. It's easier to analyze frane by frame but its a completely different game when you're in the moment
There is one more prime example of unnecesary defending. Watch the Brazilian GP 2021, Verstappen's and Hamioton's battle. Max defended the inside line into T1 one lap before he got overtaken and then on the actual lap when he got overtaken.
@@alessiotricolore3751 Go watch his overtake on lando, he braked way later. With that spicy engine merc, there was no way of getting him back either. Max always does that even if you are miles away, he just knows what he is capable of doing
The Merc had a 30 KpH staight line speed advantage over the RB in Brazil in 2021 while the car was as fast or even faster than the RB in the infield. The fact that Max held on for 50+ laps against that NASA rocketship was embarrassing for Hamilton. If Max doesn‘t cover the inside into turn 1 Hamilton just divebombs him, there was nothing Max could‘ve done differently there. 0 wheel detected.
This is an interesting video because judging when to defend the inside is one of the most difficult racing skills to learn IMO. I race on iracing a lot and often defend the inside in an obvious way because I'm rarely racing against someone that I know well and I often end up getting divebombed, which can be difficult to bail out of quickly if you're defending. I think you need to race with the same people a lot to learn how far back any given driver will attempt a move on the inside from. Sometimes it's better to really defend the inside hard then hang around on the apex for as long as you can to prevent the switch back, especially if losing race time isn't a big issue. It's a very fine line and you really have very little time to make the decision.
And you sir perfectly described the big difference between real life racing and sim racing. Unless, as you said, you race with the same people over and over again (like in a league). I also main iRacing as my racing sim. Been racing for almost a year now to find my favourite car/series etc. Now it's time to join a well-organised league. Which is miles better than all the official sessions.
I think the regulations prior to 2022 warranted huge defensive moves to the inside because the cut-back from the car behind would be hugely compromised from the dirty air when they crossed the line of the car in front. It's sort of visible now with Brazil turn 2 for example, it's hard to set up the exit because of the disturbed air over the rear wing, although not as bad as before 2022.
This is similar to Hamilton vs. Verstappen in 2021 Brasilian GP. RB was strong in sector 2 and in the Senna esses so HAM needed VER to have a poor exit out of T2. The fake divebomb had worked in that instance as well. Yet Verstappen was not to be blamed unlike Perez and Bottas.
I think the main reason behind this is that the drivers look behind from their mirrors, and to them the car appears much closer than it actually is, so it creates the illusion that the guy behind you is close enough for a move, but in reality he isn't.
Lewis also did this bait in Brazil 2021. He couldn’t go up in the inside into turn 1, but faked it to get a better exit for turn 3 and the straight ahead.
I don't think it's as easy as this analysis video when you drive at such high speed while looking at those small mirrors to predict the gap to the car behind and what the other driver will do. You also still need to determine the braking point,braking,downshift,etc. And there's always a big risk when you don't cover the inside line even the driver behind seems a bit too far away, remember Abu Dhabi '21 last lap?
1:05 what isnt mentioned is that perez was on much fresher tires (1 stopp bot vs 2 stopp per), so i doubt that his unnecassary defense made any difference, per would have overtook him in anyways. 2:28 to be fair to per, its the goat, master of cheeky manouvers and lord of the eyebrows behind him...
Most passes in F1 today are just like this, the chasing driver has to force the other to take the bad side of the track for gaining grip on the turn exit. We´ve seen dozens of examples in every race on this season.
Author is noobie. Bottas maybe lost some time in the entrance of chicane, but locked perez, that obviosly had to lift righr pedal. If he didnt do this, he`d be overtaken even easier. Alonso`s great move was that he didn`t overtake before the final drs zone
Ok that last Perez shot on the straight is like the mirror image of something I did to someone on Assetto Corsa in Monza. I overshot t4/5 and went a bit on the sand, guy behind had MASSIVE overspeed on me but I had a bunch of distance but not enough, he made it clear he wants to take the inside and then I realized I still have right to choose my line as the car in front. He still had loads of time to go outside and still pass me (just like Alonso did in this video) yet choose to go even deeper on the inside and then hit me from behind and spun out, yet he thinks I was at fault for "Making him spin out/blocking him" so later on divebombed me in T1. To clarify the contact happened 1 second after I had fully moved to the inside leaving just enough space to force any car who wants to pass me there to dip 2 wheels on the grass. We were driving Mazda mx5 cup cars. Thoughts anyone?
@FurnishedIgloo There was a lot of space between us, about 2 seconds or so so when i rejoined he was still a fair bit behind, guessing about a second or so. I didn't really go offtrack that much, more like dipped 2 wheels on the sand and lost a fair bit of speed
Nope dead on, Lewis for example is known to completely go off the racing line following a car in front to acquire some cleaner air over his car. I think it's partially why he doesn't defend the inside fully that often...
With some of these examples there are other corners straight after the problem corner. Are we saying that those overtakes wouldn't have happened without the defending? With some of them it looks like they absolutely would have, regardless of exit from the problem corner. 1m40 example, yeah, bad entry after defending but there's another corner after that where both cars are taking the same line.
Interestingly, Verstappen made this same mistake two years ago. Twice. The first time, he kept the position because he refused to make Turn 4, we all remember that incident. The second time he lost it. I was genuinely surprised that he made it the second time. In both occasions, Hamilton was too far behind to dive bomb - I remember some people argued (to justify Verstappen's move) that he had overtaken Norris the day before doing that, but I checked and he wasn't as close, there was no way he would dive bomb, certainly not with 12 or 15 laps remaining. A video on this would be interesting :)
On the contrary, in Vegas, Perez didn't defend the inside when he should've been defending the inside, twice in a row perez got overtaken in the last lap of the race 😅
the first and second passes were because of the draft, if there had a large speed delta on corner exit, the pass would've happened much sooner. checo's france pass it's very obvious he had to lift to avoid hitting bottas in the middle of the switchback because of bottas' poor entry, however, terrible way to try to make lap time.
Wtf are you talking about? Ok in both Perez cases tires in the one car were supreme so Bottas in France tactically tried to hamper Perez's acceleration after the exit so as to make his move to the straight more difficult. Bottas's tires were completely cooked while Perez was on fresher tires. The same goes in Brazil as well Perez basically sets a defending line on the straight hampering Alonso's mid exit acceleration while he is on full blast. Alonso put a really demanding and had move there, it needed huge precision in braking and keeping the car with a good speed from the outside, tires might have helped but still Perez defended well. So did Fisichella, he exploited the good traction from Renault because if he continued to stay in the racing line Raikkonen would have more time on the slipstream and on gas, this is a tactic to break the guy's mid exit speed from the corner while giving full blast from clean air. The drivers do that most of the time don't say idiotic staff.
Hamilton also did the same feint to Verstappen in Brazil 2021. Verstappen was impossible to overtake in normal ways. He's willing to out brake Hamilton, and funnily himself as well, to the point where both of them goes off track. If Hamilton wasn't careful, it could've easily turned into a collision. With the championship on the line, Hamilton needs to surgically overtake Verstappen and avoid his "back out or we crash" defending. Hamilton bait Verstappen into the inside line, making Verstappen out of shape, and complete the overtake at the next overtaking opportunity. Seeing Hamilton without the dominant car now, we can see all kinds of amazing racecraft from him nowadays. Hamilton also pulled similar feints in slightly different iterations against Sainz in Qatar and Norris in COTA. Turns out, not even the top drivers are immune to tricks. Leclerc himself said that Hamilton is a very tricky opponent to face due to his calculated intelligence on track. Can't believe that I'd say that a 7 time world champion is underrated nowadays.
Completely unrelated, but why does Bottas shift at just over 12k RPM, while Perez and Alonso are shifting at 11.5k RPM? Did something relating to this change in 2 years, or did the Merc engine just rev higher?
