Pretending warriors’ timeline makes sense is kind of silly! Of course it doesn’t align properly - this series started years and years ago, and it’s been written by so many different people, and written very fast. Expecting it to make sense to a real life human timeline is just… not realistic. I can understand talking about how old the cats are and such, but talking about technology to try and pin down a human year is fun, but not accurate. It’s okay that warrior cats doesn’t have a real timeline, it doesn’t have to. (Would be nice if they tried to be consistent on cats’ ages nowadays though, lol).
Also theres a kittypet in Riverstar's Home named Scooby, who i assume was named after Scooby Doo, which came out in 1969... Anyway i love this video and how it came out after i made my own (rewritten) timeline where DotC takes place in 1875 lol. I basically reread CotC for this. I applaud your effort for trying to actually work with the canon timeline
If Loki (kittypet) name is from Marvel version instead of the Norse myth then it’s at least AFTER 1962. Zelda is a name even before Legend of Zelda publish. However, if Zelda (kittypet) is named after the game then it’s at least AFTER 1987. Which is alright? They are in the Firestar “era” of warrior cats which is probably around 2000+ anyway.
SunnyBunny has a very good video about how even *_modern_* Skyclan’s timeline makes zero sense when you compare Skyclan focused supplementary material and the timespan of the main arcs
I got so engrossed by Moon's timeline calculations that I forgot to question why Into the Wild necessarily takes place in 2003 until she brought that up at the end of the rant. Yeah, not only is this a fantasy book, but Into the Wild could be set in any part of the 21st century you want it to, so there's plenty of room to add more nonsense into the timeline
The why in 2003 is the simple logic of if a date isn't given assume that it's set in the time the book was published. Plenty of people apply this rule to other works of fiction. Does it hold up when you try to look at it from a timeline perspective? No probably not. But it's what we do because it's the Occam's razor of dates.
I like to think that the current warriors takes place in the future, rather than the present. Theres no evidence that it doesnt, since everything regarding human technology is vague. 'A stone den' could be from any era. 'A big shiny monster' could be any car.
i like this because he said he forgot most of his life. that would sort of align with the forgetting of stormclan. not that i've read ivypools heart yet. I very much plan to but have other books to read at the moment
Here's my idea: Snowtuft was a ShadowClan cat who cared deeply about the rules and even more about following them. So ThunderClan and WindClan joining was a horrible disruption in his life. Not only that, but friends from RiverClan were now completely cut off aside from Gatherings, which were also held in the middle of StormClan's territory. He feared that StormClan would rule the forest, so one night, he went to Four Trees, the current StormClan camp, and attacked viciously, killing a few cats in the process. He was eventually killed by Stripestar, who knocked him off of the highest point of the oaks and fell to his death. The attack was the inciting incident that made StormClan leave, and we know the rest from Galestar.
It kinda bugged me how at some point they were talking about stormclan and just kept going "how could they forget a whole clan, this has never happened before" when that's literally what happened to skyclan...
I honestly prefer to believe that The Prophecies Begin starts in the future and everything from then on are years that we haven't lived yet, because honestly it makes much more sense (and is more interesting)
The clans are treated like they are ancient. So there is no way that modern books take place during modern day. Unless, humans in this world invented cars waaaaaaaaay earlier than they did in our world.
For me the biggest timeline problem that prevents Stormclan isnt the human times but rather Shadowstar's Life. In the novella Skyclan's territory is already surveyed by construction workers. Starclan afterwords tell Shadowstar that this will lead to the events in Cloudstar's Journey. And its logical to assume that it doesn't take 50 years to for twolegs to cut down a forest. Which leaves no room in the Cat timeline for a period with Skyclan for Stormclan to form. So either the Stormclan origin story is changes to make it happen after Cloudstar's reign or they retcon basically all of Code of the Clans and make Galestar Sparrowstar's deputy
A bit of a stretch in logic, the writers will have to be creative. It's a shame too since I like the illusion of a grand timeline that Code of the Clans presents with obscure leaders
Shadowstar's book implies that it would be a long stretch of time until it was cut down anyway, as SkyClan seems to have left 20 years before Into The Wild before it was plotted out. And it was just foreshadowed to Shadowstar that it would happen. I don't think they're mutually exclusive
11:33 hurts me to my very soul because I tried doing this a few months back and ended up frustrated because if we assume these kitties live in the broader UK, they either wouldn't have seen it due to poor weather or they would have to live on a teeny-tiny island up north.
i LOVE not taking the warrior cats timeline seriously ever already, but i also think it's much funnier to instead keep pushing stuff from into the wild and onward just further and further into the /future/ based on stuff they keep adding into the timeline before it. into the wild and onward actually takes place in like 2072
I was actually thinking about the thing with jays wing the other day, I did a little math and the timeline of warriors is around 300 years, assuming 15 years per cat life and 20 cat generations would be 15x20=300. I talked to someone about this and they called me insane but idk ah this kind of thing was brought up in the video, i see now, i was on the right track i belive?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that is also going by the assumption that the next generation starts immediately after the other dies, and forgetting that wildcats do not have as long of a lifespan as housecats. I'm aware warriors seems to still stretch it further, so I'd assume that generally, if a kit makes it to elder, they'd probably be around 12 years old or less. After all, I recall someone saying Mistystar lived for aprox. 15 years, and she was definetly considered very old for warrior cats. That being said, I don't think the timeline makes any more sense
@@SolLinnea yeah, I just came up with that after five minutes of thinking in the car, I didn’t put much thought into it, and the timeline is very all over the place
@@bOraNge_The_Smiley_Orangeyour timeline might actually make sense if we put in the in the fallout timeline and assume Scotland is not hit with any nukes and continues technological progress at a very.... Very slow pace giving us the three hundred year timeline we want
As long as they're making the story more interesting, Warrior Cats can retcon or mess up the timeline as much as they want. The series has been stagnant for years. This is a breath of fresh air.
entirely unrelated note here but has anyone thought about like. world war 2. the uk was getting bombed to hell and back. idk how much of that the cats would have been witness to but New Forest did get a bombing range and military base(?) at the time. just saying, we should maybe have some cat community mythology about that one time a bunch of twolegplaces and distant parts of the forest got obliterated 💀
I remember when I used to love figuring out timelines of books myself (especially Series of Unfortunate Events) I think if I did this for Warriors back then it'd be like pulling teeth XD
Do you think the territories (forest or lake) ever got hit by airstrike attacks? The cats have lived there during both World Wars, they must’ve seen like at least 1 military plane fly over head or heard 1 explosion
I THOUGHT THIS AS WELL like perhaps we should have a handful of community oral stories about that one time a part of a twolegplace or a distant part of the woods got obliterated… or like the time that they got like flown over by like hundreds of bombers… the region of England that inspired the old territory seems to be like right under d day air routes💀
Maybe that is why storm clan are not remember and faded because the whole clan, most of the clan, got wiped out by an air rade. the strangler went back to the forest territory, never to speak about it again.
About leaders lasting like 4 years- It drives me crazy how short leaders lives last !! Like they have 9 extra lives but they die around the same time as all their clanmates. Shouldn't they be living at least 3x as long? How did all the leaders die 9 times so quickly? And what's the point of 9 lives if they can die of old age anyways (like Tallstar)
wasn't it supposed to be for sacrificing the leader so others can live. Like, being the last to eat in times of hunger or doing sth risky to save cats. idk
@@LibraryofAcousticMagic3240 that would definitely make sense but I feel like we never see that happen. Like Onestar, Firestar and Bluestar sacrificed their final life but they didn't do it 9 times you know
i loved the part when moonkitti mentioned that shattering sky has to take place sometime after 1986 so that zelda could be named after the legend of zelda
I'd like to think that human years just don't matter in Warriors. Focus the timeline along an indeterminate amount of years focused entirely around the cats. Humans aren't the focus after all. Leaving it vague means that there's infinite room for growth and silly shenanigans and I prefer that tbh
Turtletail being hit by a cybertruck is unrealistic bc they're illegal in the uk. The cynertruck also dying is unrealistic as well but the driver of the cybertruck dying after hitting a cat isn't because cybertruck drivers have hit earthworms and died
Into the Wild is actually set at the same time as Star Trek: The Original Series. This makes perfect sense because, for both franchises, the more editions and prequels were added the more confusing and impossible the timeline got.
my cannon timeline is that the gap between cloudstars journey and dawn of the clans is actually just infinite, and that as long as no one remembers nothing happened there but if something is remembered is just poofs back into existance, and that turtle tail was hit by an extreme antique collector in 2020 and that Firestar was born in the year 3000. Basically the cats all have severe genetic memory issues from all the inbreeding, outa sight outa mind style.
I think that maybe the cats simply should not be trusted when they describe constuction equipment and this takes place on an alternate earth where the humble escalator was invented in the 1700s
I don't think when the books took place in terms of real life, is a huge deal, I don't see the books taking place in any specific time in the real world. I know that doesn't make sense, but these are books about talking cats, it's not a series that makes sense, and I'm ok with that, because it makes it more fun if it doesn't have to be set in any specific year in the real world. It's a lot easier that way, and I like it.
Guys i have a theory what if .... A nuclear war started sometime in the 1980s but it was a limited exhanxge and only big cities were hit and the fallout didn't spread far about 40 years of immense war later coupled with the transistor being invented about 20 years later means that techlogical progress stagnates meaning that we can theoretically add like 100 130 extra years to the timeline or second theory this takes place in the world of fallout before the 2077 great war
This is why I try to think as little as possible about the actual logistics of this world. Oh hey! Look at all those generations! I guess the clans are pretty old! Hahagahagvdehvhkn (At this point I refuse to think about this any further)
I just assume Warriors is on a sliding timescale, like in comics or cartoons. The timeline remains vague on purpose because there are so many different changing writers that it's hard for them to corroborate on what is solid canon and what isn't.
yes that was the only thing that confused me there wasn't enough time that the Stormclan timetime can fit between dawn of the clan and the recent book timeline
