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Joe Louis was Marciano's hero. When he knocked him out, he felt absolutely sick about it. He went to Joe's dressing room after the fight and said how sorry he was, and then started to say if it had been 10 years earlier it would have been a very different outcome. Joe the cut him off and said "10 years ago it would have been one hell of a fight. Don't ever apologize for being good". Two of the classiest guys to ever hold the title.
Rocky had talent. Punching talent. All the training in the world can't give you that. You want your heroes to be perfect. Thanks to you tube I have a new hero- Joe Louis...Pay your taxes Joe. Rocky Marciano, tightwad God bless him. All champions should retire rich. The eye test, Rocky fails it. Short arms, unimpressive body. But don't judge this book by its cover. Heart.. But Ezzard Charles, Joe Walcott, and Archie Moore had heart too. They were all champions and that's huge. Oh yeah, that guy over there was the heavyweight champion of the world. Need not accomplish any thing else in life to be a success.
@Adolf Meyer Rocky Marciano got dropped in fights and somehow some way STILL FOUND A WAY TO WIN! He would ko guys late in the fight which not every fighter has. Like Iron Mike, never really had kos late in a fight. But Rocky carried ko power in round 14/15.
Don Turner said, *"Rocky Marciano was the hardest puncher i ever seen."* Oh really, when was Don ever hit by Rocky? Ali said Shavers was the hardest puncher. Foreman said Lyle was the hardest puncher. Archie Moore rated Sheppard and Durelle as the hardest punchers. Emanuel Steward rated Wladimir and Lennox as the hardest punchers. Miller fans, Bakole fans, Zhang fans, Joshua fans, Ali fans, Foreman fans and Holmes fans NEVER EVER discuss Don Turner, only Rocky fans discuss Don's opinionated speculations and believe it as the gospel truth. Hey everyone, Delusional Don said little Rocky was the hardest puncher so it Must Be True Ha Ha Ha! Besides Don never saw Rocky fight in person! Rocky had his last fight in New York 1955. Don was born in 1939 and raised in Cincinnati. Don was only 15 years old. He had no money and was over 600 miles away. *His opinions are based on hearsay and film, in other words the same as ours!* Don said, "I have no idea what my father did. We were on welfare and lived in the Cincinnati projects four blocks from Ezzard Charles." -- A Beautiful Sickness: Reflections on the Sweet Science, by Thomas Hauser, 2001- page's 72 & 74. *If Don thought so highly of little 5' 9" 184 lb Rocky with tiny 67" flyweight reach why didn't he look for another power-punching midget to rule the Heavies? Instead he chose to train 6' 7" 250 lb Michael Grant who had an incredible 86" reach!*
Marciano went 49-0 in 7 Years!!! And didn't start until he was 25... 7 Years 49 fights!!! Mayweather took almost 18 years and he was trained from birth. Don't ever compare Floyd to Marciano! There is no comparison!
Marciano permanently retired guys he fought. Walcott was unconscious for 3 minutes in fight 1. Layne's front 4 teeth were sheered at the gum line. Cockell went from being a prospect heavyweight to a train wreck after the beating Marciano gave him. La Starza was a promising heavyweight until the second fight against Marciano. Joe Louis was beating all the top heavyweights until Marciano; retiring after a devastating knockout. Guys that stepped into the ring against Rocky Marciano were put on the canvas. Hardest puncher of all time? I'd say relative to his contemporaries he was. Anyone from 1965 and back would not have survived 15 rounds against Marciano. I mean to say any boxer of any era in their prime before 1965 wouldn't have lasted 15 rounds to beat Marciano. After 1966 when Ali started getting into his stride he'd have stood a chance. Rocky had brutal power and his conditioning was so far beyond anyone else he could afford to wear opponents down. Granite chin, one punch knockout power in both hands, ultimate stamina, extremely unorthodox boxing style and determination like no other. The difference in power between Rocky and any heavyweight from 1965 or earlier was much greater than Foreman/Shavers vs their contemporaries. Not to say Rocky punched harder than Foreman or Shavers, but the difference between Rocky and his contemporaries was greater. Go take a look into the guys Rocky fought before you call them all bums. Rex Layne was 34-1-2 when he faced Rocky. His career slid terribly after that fight. Don Cockell was 69-10-1 running on a 10 win streak including 3 wins over Harry Mathews, a win over Tommy Farr and a win over Roland La Starza. Ezzard Charles was 85-10 going into Rocky I. After Rocky II he won 10 of 23 fights. Harry Mathews, who was only 10 months older despite debuting 10 years earlier, was 81-3 going into Rocky. That's all.
Cockell a prospect? He was a fat light heavy who was knocked out by former middleweight, Randy Turpin. Louis was beating all the top heavyweights? Are you insane? He was tired and started to look bad, so he retired. He was forced to come back to fight, due to tax problems. He no longer had his trainer, and did his training at home. In his first fight back, he was soundly beaten by former light heavy, Charles. All the best fighters he beat, were old and had many defeats already. Louis didn't have many defeats but I explained his circumstances already. Marciano fought mostly bums. Ted lowry beat him in their first fight(google it) Lastarza also beat him in their first fight. Lowry had 57 losses and still Marciano fought him. Just look at his opponents records and you will understand why he was undefeated. It is no big accomplishment being unbeaten, when you fight bums, who everyone else could also beat.
Truth sayer all the people you mentioned that rocky beat their careers started to slip AFTER they fought him. Everyone marciano bear were game as they come. As turner said rocky started pro old when most people retire. Can't hide from those facts
Don Turner said, *"Rocky Marciano was the hardest puncher i ever seen."* Oh really, when was Don ever hit by Rocky? Ali said Shavers was the hardest puncher. Foreman said Lyle was the hardest puncher. Archie Moore rated Sheppard and Durelle as the hardest punchers. Emanuel Steward rated Wladimir and Lennox as the hardest punchers. Miller fans, Bakole fans, Zhang fans, Joshua fans, Ali fans, Foreman fans and Holmes fans NEVER EVER discuss Don Turner, only Rocky fans discuss Don's opinionated speculations and believe it as the gospel truth. Hey everyone, Delusional Don said little Rocky was the hardest puncher so it Must Be True Ha Ha Ha! Besides Don never saw Rocky fight in person! Rocky had his last fight in New York 1955. Don was born in 1939 and raised in Cincinnati. Don was only 15 years old. He had no money and was over 600 miles away. *His opinions are based on hearsay and film, in other words the same as ours!* Don said, "I have no idea what my father did. We were on welfare and lived in the Cincinnati projects four blocks from Ezzard Charles." -- A Beautiful Sickness: Reflections on the Sweet Science, by Thomas Hauser, 2001- page's 72 & 74. *If Don thought so highly of little 5' 9" 184 lb Rocky with tiny 67" flyweight reach why didn't he look for another power-punching midget to rule the Heavies? Instead he chose to train 6' 7" 250 lb Michael Grant who had an incredible 86" reach!*
What people are forgetting is that Marciano was not even heavy for a heavy weight, he was more like a middle weight knocking out heavyweights, that's how powerful the man was!!
Marciano was the same size as most of his opponents but he was stronger and had superior stamina and a caste-iron chin, and he refused to lose. Marciano never feared any of his opponents. He enjoyed hitting his opponents and he enjoyed getting hit in the face. How do you beat someone with a mindset like that?
Middleweight ends at 160, Marciano never weighed less than 184 and a quarter pounds in the ring. Light Heavyweight stops at 175 too big for that division also, no Cruiserweight in those days, so Rocky was an average size Heavyweight for the times, a little short, and a tiny reach, but that was all that was small on Rocky. They say he had small hands, I say they were huge. If you don't believe me, look at the picture of him standing next to Dempsey comparing fists, Rockys fists dwarfed Jack's. For Heavyweights I have Rocky at no1 and Dempsey at no 3, with Louis in the middle, and Ali at no 4 and then Tyson to round off the top 5...
The Brockton Blockbuster fought 49 fights in 7 years as a pro. This averages out to about 7 pro fights a year and a fight every 2 months for 7 years straight. He basically didn't stop training for 7 years straight. His stamina was unmatched. He could throw punches non stop and sometimes they were harder punches in the later rounds than in the first round. It is all subjective opinions and everyone has their favorite boxer(s) and thinks they are the greatest but Rocky Marciano was definitely one of the greatest for sure.
Who disagreed, and challanged him, usually woke up in pieces, and nobody ever succeeded. Even the fews that managed to finish on their feet told that it was like fighting against a propeller. One of a kind, and a true gentleman out of the ring. Literally everybody respected him, and the public loved him. You don't have to be elegant to be a champion.
I love dons comment at the end. "How come Marciano couldn't beat him, cause he's a white guy?".... and I believe that is the elephant in the room when people rate him. Him being white I think is a huge factor when they talk about him fighting ali, or any other great heavyweight. People are very ignorant to Marciano and his greatness. Hardest hitting and most conditioned fighter of all time. Undefeated in 49 fights with 43 knockouts. How could you dare to underrate him. Anyone that fights him is in for one hell of a night. And that's ali included.
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@@davidday2896 Ezzard CHarles was only a year and a half older than Rocky. Walcott was pushing forty, and Archie Moore was 41. But they still both had reach, weight and height advantage, they were still knocking out other fighters younger than Rocky.
@@azraelknightquest9547 moore was 39 marciano was 32 when they fought. Jersey joe walcott was 39 rocky was 30 when the rock challenged walcott tor the heavyweight title .
I love Don! He tells it how it really is and was! “Rocky Marciano “ the heaviest and hardest hitter ever in the history of boxing! And the great Jersey Joe Walcott was amazing as well! Real fighters, real men back in those days! Let’s not forget the great Joe Louis either!
Oh shut up with the "back in the day crap". The old timers would get beaten to a pulp by more modern boxers. Oh, and although Marciano definitely hit hard for his size, he's nowhere near the hardest hitter, not even close, he ain't even top 10.
A couple things about Marciano. First off, his level of conditioning was off the chart. Running was what he mainly did for training. An eight mile daily run was typical for him. Consequently, that gave him amazing endurance and made his legs stronger. If you watch his fights, he never got tired or slowed down. He always maintained the same tempo. He also fought from a crouched stance, mainly to compensate for having such a short reach. That made him harder to hit for a lot of fighters, but it also put him in a position to be able to generate truly wicked power in his punches.
The crouching style took a ton of endurance...like you said, it made him harder to hit but it also drew a taller opponent into his punching range while allowing him to generate that power on top of it. His defense was better than most people think.
@@chicagomike4587 Marciano's handlers took very good care of Rocky Marciano who was a true hero to all ItalianAamerican Boxing Fans during the late 40s till the mid-50s when he fought Archie "Old Mongoose" Moorer & even Irish grunts like myself who had to put insane interval & long distance training to excell in Track & Field at the half mile & the mile during the 1970s in Southern California where we began training twice a day and averaging 80-90 miles per week as freshman High School runner in Cross Country and in our respective running events. By the time we were seniors we were running 3 times per day and averaging between 140-200 miles per week. I was able to break 9 minutes in the 2 mile run and i just missed breaking the 4 minute mile at the state championships when i ran a 4:02 mile. Marciano's stamina training has never been matched. He would throw 80 -100 punches per round and even in the 15th round he would still be throwing 80-100 punches. Rocky was a complete animal who refused to lose.
Don Turner said, *"Rocky Marciano was the hardest puncher i ever seen."* Oh really, when was Don ever hit by Rocky? Ali said Shavers was the hardest puncher. Foreman said Lyle was the hardest puncher. Archie Moore rated Sheppard and Durelle as the hardest punchers. Emanuel Steward rated Wladimir and Lennox as the hardest punchers. Miller fans, Bakole fans, Zhang fans, Joshua fans, Ali fans, Foreman fans and Holmes fans NEVER EVER discuss Don Turner, only Rocky fans discuss Don's opinionated speculations and believe it as the gospel truth. Hey everyone, Delusional Don said little Rocky was the hardest puncher so it Must Be True Ha Ha Ha! Besides Don never saw Rocky fight in person! Rocky had his last fight in New York 1955. Don was born in 1939 and raised in Cincinnati. Don was only 15 years old. He had no money and was over 600 miles away. *His opinions are based on hearsay and film, in other words the same as ours!* Don said, "I have no idea what my father did. We were on welfare and lived in the Cincinnati projects four blocks from Ezzard Charles." -- A Beautiful Sickness: Reflections on the Sweet Science, by Thomas Hauser, 2001- page's 72 & 74. *If Don thought so highly of little 5' 9" 184 lb Rocky with tiny 67" flyweight reach why didn't he look for another power-punching midget to rule the Heavies? Instead he chose to train 6' 7" 250 lb Michael Grant who had an incredible 86" reach!*
One of the most underrated trainers... talking about a fighter who is also underrated...Turner is old school... One of a few. a guy who coached Holy to a win over Tyson among other things.
@slip satch what a COMPARISON WILDER TO MARCIANO ..dumb every SPORT CHANGED...NUTRITION SUPPLEMENTS steroids equipment There ERAS are 60 yrs apart ....there both good ... ..
Don Turner said, *"Rocky Marciano was the hardest puncher i ever seen."* Oh really, when was Don ever hit by Rocky? Ali said Shavers was the hardest puncher. Foreman said Lyle was the hardest puncher. Archie Moore rated Sheppard and Durelle as the hardest punchers. Emanuel Steward rated Wladimir and Lennox as the hardest punchers. Miller fans, Bakole fans, Zhang fans, Joshua fans, Ali fans, Foreman fans and Holmes fans NEVER EVER discuss Don Turner, only Rocky fans discuss Don's opinionated speculations and believe it as the gospel truth. Hey everyone, Delusional Don said little Rocky was the hardest puncher so it Must Be True Ha Ha Ha! Besides Don never saw Rocky fight in person! Rocky had his last fight in New York 1955. Don was born in 1939 and raised in Cincinnati. Don was only 15 years old. He had no money and was over 600 miles away. *His opinions are based on hearsay and film, in other words the same as ours!* Don said, "I have no idea what my father did. We were on welfare and lived in the Cincinnati projects four blocks from Ezzard Charles." -- A Beautiful Sickness: Reflections on the Sweet Science, by Thomas Hauser, 2001- page's 72 & 74. *If Don thought so highly of little 5' 9" 184 lb Rocky with tiny 67" flyweight reach why didn't he look for another power-punching midget to rule the Heavies? Instead he chose to train 6' 7" 250 lb Michael Grant who had an incredible 86" reach!*
You can see from the way Marciano slugged the heavy bag how he threw ALL of his bodyweight into his shots, like literally threw his body forward into his punches. That's not only power coming from leg extension and hip snap, but his actual bodyweight coming forward, all of that weight and force being concentrated into point of impact - his opponents' face.
Great interview! Beyond all the tales and stories, the guy was one of the top 3-4 punchers the sport has ever seen. He is often criticized for fighting smaller or older guys, but who ever dealt as much damage as Marciano did to similar opponents? He punched way above his weight, and dealt terrible damage to people. On top of that, he had great balance, technique, and skills.
World Navigator You need to watch RM carefully in his fights he was much more than a brawler. Also weight isn't that big a factor just in case you think so. Watch this clip by Joe Lewis: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-S7oa_PNSzCE.html
It s funny how navigator smears rocky every chance he gets but politely I think so navigator doesn't look bad or maybe he just can't say it it could be his. background to navigator if you think rocky was no good I just don't understand 49 and 0 he sucks lol .ya ya he fought old old boxers to he fought who ever he could .but im sure if it was a favorite boxer of yours things would be different he just came along at the right time to dominate those years good luck
World Navigator ya he was a bar room brawler that's it you said eh thanks for saying a positive thing about Marciano what ever it is it is he was champ Dempsey to bar room brawler it worked you cant win that many fights with no skill mentally tough if you think going into a fight I might loose your half beaten Marciano took naps in his change room b4 fights he had no worrys
World Navigator we are debating that's all im cool with your points no disrespect to you eh were having a fun debate that's what makes it fun different opinions thats all .
Don is correct about Rocky Marciano's Greatness. The most important lesson that young fighters should learn from Marciano is that he retired undefeated in his Prime!
@@michaelares4240 its true 13 boxer ended their carriers after the match he broke bones and blood vessels.. If Don Turner said he was so strong you have to believe him.
I think he right on about Marciano beating the Klits brothers had they fought in Marcianos era. Why because they had 15 round limit, the gloves with feathers and got heavy. Plus the refs didn't break the fighters apart and let them fight out of the clutches. You could hit low, rabbit punch, so Marciano would have made a brawl out of the fight.He would have wore them both down and knocked them out.
Please. I'm not Klitscko fan-boy but if Marciano was around today at 5ft9 and 185lbs he'd be fighting at LIGHT heavyweight, where i believe he would be beaten by the elite light-heavys such as Andrey Ward and Sergey Kovelev, It doesn't matter how tough you are, how strong you are or how much stamina you have, when you're fighting somebody who is technically far superior then you.. You're gonna get outboxed. The thought of Marciano even getting in the ring with Wladimir Klitscko at 6ft6 and 247lbs of lean muscle is ridiculous, the fought of marciano actually winning the fight is even more ridiculous. Klitscko is a FAR superior technician to Marciano, olympic gold medalist, over 100 wins as an amateur only a handful of losses, 63 wins as a pro, 53 kos, kos against genuine heavyweights, not the 170pounders rocky was fighting, 24 title defences, Only outboxed once in his entire pro career, and that was when he was 39 years old. As well as being a far superior technical boxer then rocky he was also around 60lbs heavier, 9 inches taller and had a 12 inch reach advantage. Rocky would be brutally knocked out, and knocked out early. Klitscko would lift him off the floor. Very few all time greats would stand a chance against a prime klitscko because of his size, skill and style of fighting. lennox lewis was the same, a big heavy power puncher with an elite jab and world class technical boxing skills.
unbornbum like go and watch marciano against joe louis marciano was 3 inches shorter and 25 pounds lighter and he still dominated the fight in every way
Joe Louis was a washed up old man at the time he fought marciano. If marciano and Klitscko where the same size then Marciano would probably give him some serious problems because of his none stop pressure, the size difference is just to great, marciano would get lifted off the floor with one punch, as would ANYONE under 200lbs
unbornbum lol klitscko with 1 puch :D dude the guy just jabs for 10 rounds until his opponents tire out and than KO's them, i would love to see him try and out work and out last rocky msrciano in a 15 round war
My only "reservation" about Rocky is about his getting cut. Yes, he "survived" his 49 fights BUT in some he was really in danger of being seriously hurt from face wounds. Having said that, what a fighter and-from what I hear-what a really nice guy. Too sad that he /Buddy H & the Big Bopper all died so young in plane crashes. RIP all three of you.
He didn't cut easy like the folk lore about him goes. There are alot of rumors about the rock that are not true. Marciano got cut in the Ezzard Charles fight on the bridge of his nose. A nasty split on the tip of it. But that was a hilacious fight. But other than that I can't think of a time he got cut real bad honestly.
Rocky trained with a 300 pound custom made punching bag. Archie Moore was asked which punch of Rockys hurt the most, to which Moore said: "all of them".
Il pugile più forte di sempre dentro il ring, la persona più timida, dolce e umana fuori dal ring. Lui era tutto Italiano. Quello che facciamo in vita riecheggia per l'eternità. Grazie Rocky Marciano
Pas Thomas POSSIBLY THE GREATEST HEAVYWEIGHT PUNCHING CHAMPION EVER, BUT THE BEST HEAVYWEIGHT BOXER IN HIS PRIME WAS AND WILL ALWAYS BE THE BROWN BOMBER JOE LOUIS!!! STILL MOST SUCCESSFUL TITLE DEFENSES IN ANY WEIGHT DIVISION!!!
Your right He was the appitamy of a boxer he hade a granite Chin relatenless nonstop punching unlimted stamina and hade a punch like a fucking mule kick. Nobody could take damage like he could. And he was the only undeafted heavyweight ever!!! Dur.
He also covers the point that hitting down at someone shorter is harder than hitting up at someone taller. Hitting up is great because you can use your legs, but hitting down is just your arm. Zero power.
Let’s not forget Rocky had Charlie Goldman in his corner. One of the truly great trainers and teachers. Charlie refined Rocky’s unorthodox style. Rocky was a great fighter.
A ton of respect to Tru School Sports for interviewing Don Turner and posting the video. Seriously, it's shocking how few Don Turner interviews there are on the internet. I mean, this guy has spent his entire life in boxing, and he even fought in the 1950s and 1960s -- FFS, he even sparred with Sugar Ray Robinson, the greatest boxer ever to live!! Having actually fought in arguably the toughest era, and been around the greatest trainers and boxers in history, to then training the legends like Larry Holmes and Evander Holyfield, Don Turner really should be considered boxing royalty! He's probably the last remaining trainer who truly knows old school training methods and old school fighter's mentality. His knowledge must be off the top end of the charts. I really hope you guys get the chance to interview the man again, in the near future. Take care and God bless.
The Rock was in his own way as much of a genetic freak as Ali. In his conditioning, indestructiblity, unbreakable will etc. Had he fought Ali both in their prime under early 50s rules he might have beaten Ali's torso, arms etc so badly Ali couldn't guard himself, & move well by the late rounds,possibly way behind on points,Marciano knocked him out in the late rounds. However, very likely had Ali won the Absolute War on cuts,TKO, points etc. The rematch (which Ali wouldn't want to give him, think about it) Marciano would handily win, because he would've permanently damaged Ali in the 1st fight. Like Turner said, people just don't realize the entity of destruction Marciano was in the ring, he ruined potentially great fighters like no fighter's done before or since.
A prime Ali from 1965-1967, is too fast for Marciano. Rocky never fought against a Boxer 6'3" with a 80" reach and 14"fist size and someone who had quicker handspeed than Sugar Ray Robinson. In 1966, Ali landed 15 punches on Brian Londen in 2.8 seconds. In Ali's fight against Cleveland Williams, he was only hit 5 times in their entire fight. That was the GOAT defensive performance by a Heavyweight Boxer. Nobody can beat that Ali.
@@richardmilliken8705 Obviously you read what I wrote. A prime Ali "probably" beats anybody. What I was saying was he never ran into a (seemingly) inhumanely conditioned, indestructible fighting machine like RM. Who's he's not going to actually "hurt", with the Ref aware RM's not truly beat till he's dead, it's Possible Ali's arms and body are so battered RM drives a sledgehammer through in the last seconds and gets the KO.
@@discernment8963 Ezzard Charles was 33 years old the 1st time he fought against Rocky for the Heavyweight Title. That was a very close fight that went the full distance of 15 rounds. Marciano won by a unanimous decision. We hear all this talk about Rocky hitting his opponents in the 15th round as hard as he hit them in the 1st round. Rocky only fought a 15 round Boxing Match one time (against a 33 year old Charles who was in the early stages of ALS). Rocky's next longest fight was against Walcott, where he was losing badly for the first 12 rounds before he knocked Walcott out in the 13th round. Rocky didn't come close to breaking Walcott's or Charle's bones, tendons, & ligaments. But in Rocky's rematch against Charles, he had his nose split in half and Charles caused a 1 inch deep cut above Rocky's left eye, and as a result, Marciano was bleeding like crazy & the ring Doctor examined him, and allowed Rocky to fight 1 more round, in which he knocked Charles out. And the 2nd time that he fought LaStarza, the fight went 11 rounds, before he TKO'd him. And LaStarza is the only Boxer that i know of, that Rocky broke bones, tendons and blood vessels, and as a result, he struggled to keep his arms up to block Marciano's punches. Rocky had 8 fights where he went at least 10 rounds, while Ali had 29 fights where he went at least 10 rounds. And Ali had 12 fights where he went 15 rounds. So Ali has more than proved his incredible stamina in the Boxing Ring. Prime Ali was better conditioned than Marciano & at least twice as fast with his hand & foot speed as well as his lightening quick reflexes. Marciano admitted that he couldn't do the Ali shuffle for 1 round nevermind 15 rounds. Marciano was a slow flat-footed Boxer that missed at least 60 % of his punches. Unlike a prime Dempsey, Louis, Liston, Ali, Foreman, Holmes and Tyson who were all extremely accurate punchers. I believe that Liston, Foreman, Shavers, Lyle, Wilder, Lewis and Baer all hit harder than Marciano. Ali faced the 3 hardest punchers of all-time, Liston, Foreman & Shavers and they were unable to knock him down. If Ali was able to KO Foreman with combination punches, then he could do the same thing to Rocky. Marciano never fought against a young & top ranked Heavyweight Fighter in their prime who weighed at least 210lb. Marciano would have been more evenly matched against Frazier or Dempsey.
@@richardmilliken8705 ali rated rocky very highly Ali said his best, my best i don't know if i could of beaten him , ali knows more than all us boxing fans my friend .
Don Turner "Tellin da truf".... Ive watched every Marciano fight available, used to come home from school & watch his fights on espn classic every afternoon at 3pm cst in the 90's. He was a killer.
Great fighter but that's overdoing it a bit. You dont go undefeated and not be a great but noone would try to argue Marciano was the greatest ever. Not anyone who knew what they were talking about. He gets even further down the list if you go pound4pound. He easily cracks top 10 heavyweights on his undefeated/k.o record. Louis was older than Rocky but was 4 inches taller had an 8 inch reach advantage and 25 lbs on him. You wouldnt see that today. Rocky was most often quite a bit smaller with very short arms. Give the man credit he essentially a cruiserweight fighting heavyweights and knocking them out with ever being stopped or defeated himself. That gets him top ten status on it's own and pretty high up on pound4pound list, not many fighters could give up so much weight, height and reach and go undefeated while compiling 43 knockouts in 49 fights.
Sugar Ray Robinson won over 100 straight fights. He had more than double the wins before coming close to a lose. Marciano record does not compare. Marciano was the toughest fighter of all time but Sugar Ray Robinson is and always will be the greatest. If staying undefeated is the measuring stick then Floyd Mayweather is the greatest the huh.
The reason he looked ordinary against Don Cockell is because it was the only fight Marciano did not feel passionate about because he expected Cockell to be an easy win. So Marciano, contrary to his usual standards, to not train as passionately for this fight. Even before the fight he told his trainers, "I just cannot get passionate about this fight". It turned out that Cockell was a little tougher than Marciano expected and it took him 9 rounds to put Cockell away.
MORCOPOLO0817 rocky looked ordinary against Cockrell see how thick skined he was rocky would never loose to a guy like that it took time but rocky got it done
Well, that's what Charles had until he killed Sam Baroudi in the ring in 1948. Ezzard lost that killer instinct and by the time he fought Rocky, he was in the early stages of ALS. If he wasn't broke, he would've retired after Walcott beat Charles twice.
(George Foreman, watching film of Marciano with some great boxing trainers) - "He's like a machine. He doesn't stop throwing punches. He pressures you constantly, his motor is relentless, and he just wears you down. Archie Moore told me that he had big welts all over his arms after fighting Rocky - couldn't lift his arms for two days. Rocky would just beat on your arms if he had to, and when you couldn't hold them up any longer, there was your head."
I know Don Turner personally when I was 24 I trained at Bufanos Gym in J.C. N.J.same place Chuck Wepner trained Don was a trainer there . While I never spared with Chuck I did spare with his sparring partner Rooney I think his first name was Bob? Anyway he was an excellent boxer becoming Ali’s chief sparring partner later. The reason it. was hard to hit the Rock is that he leaned too the riThy only exposing the side of him and a low crouch making himself a small target very smart fighter! Good interview!
Yes - he trained at the same gym that Marvelous Marvin Hagler later trained. Hagler wasn't a classic boxer, but they turned his unorthodox tendencies into a big strength.
Something is terribly wrong with today's rankings when they place 5'9" 184 lb Marciano with his extremely short 67" bantamweight arm reach at #2 or #3 greatest Super Heavyweight of all time, yet Lewis doesn't even make top 10. And Marciano fans always wonder why he is the most despised "Heavyweight" on planet earth.
People who talk about Marciano’s size seem to forget that, by today’s standards, Joe Louis was not a big heavyweight. ( I believe that in most, if not all his pre-war fights, he was under 200 lbs. ) Rocky trained DOWN to 189.
Indeed! Louis was between 198lb- 208lb during his prime, between 1938-1942. Rocky could hit harder at 185lb than Louis could at 200lb. Louis in his prime had quicker handspeed and reflexes than Rocky but Louis's chin wasn't as solid as Marciano's. It would've been a much closer fight if both of them were in their prime.
Mr.Turner sums it all up here about the talents of Marciano. Don makes it clear here on who hit the hardest ,who was the best conditioned, plus puts to rest, equating the height , weight, and age factors with being a great fighter.....Like Don says, don't be conned by all these boxing experts here on RU-vid.....Thanks for posting !
At the same time, I can remember him say that Lennox could not fight smaller men like Holyfield or Tyson. That being said, I believe what he says about Marciano and what he would do to Wlad for the very least. Explode on Wlad and he goes down.
Marciano was a light-heavyweight. he should be compared to other light heavyweights such as dempsy, johnson, tunney, bob foster, spinks etc. he should not be compared to guys 70lbs heavier then him and several inches taller, it's ridiculous. I actually believe Roy Jones would beat Marciano, too fast too skilled too slippery. Jones would embarass marciano. But guys like lewis, klitscko etc.. i mean marciano wouldn't even be allowed to compeat with those guys, marciano was what.. 185lbs? 5ft10.. You think he could beat guys 6foot6 250lbs who are used to fighting super-strong guys the same weight.. please.
@@yellowmanz614 you still believe that Roy Jones would beat Marciano now, after you so the wooping that Mike gave to Roy Jones ? About Wlad... the guy is strongly under rated. He dominated the hw division for how many years ... 10-15 years ?
Marciano before his fights would consistently run 20 miles per run. Most human beings cannot do that, hardly any boxers today can ever do that. He’s the most conditioned boxer to fight, would jog to his corner after round 15!
Marciano was my favourite but I rank him either 2 or 3 greatest HW. I put Joe Louise number 1 based on the entirety of his record. 25 title defenses in basically 12 years. It's true he had 3 losses and rocky had none but the sheer number of title defenses he had and that long span of time forces me to put Louise number 1. I'm not saying I th I k he would have beaten rocky in his prime because I don't know but that record cant be denied. Plus the 3 losses Louise had was out of 69 fights. I know rocky was undefeated but he was undefeated out of 49 not 69 and if rocky fought 20 more times would he still be undefeated? I dont know. That being said though I do put rocky either 2 or 3, it's between Marciano and Ali for number 2.
@@dirtyjew1974 I believe that a prime Ali from 1964-1967 beats any heavyweight champion in the history of boxing. I have a prime Louis from 1938-1942 in the # 2 spot and prime Liston from 1958-1960 in the 3rd slot and a prime Foreman from 1971-1976, in the 4th spot, and a prime Marciano from 1951-1955 in the 5th spot. And i rank Charles as the GOAT Light Heavyweight Boxer and #2, P4P Boxer behind Sugar Ray Robinson.
The stupid laughter of the young interviewer only highlights his ignorance . Marciano could take punishment on a scale that no other fighter ever could . He was made of granite . He could take out any fighter with either hand , and once he landed his Suzie Q right hand , it was lights out . They stayed knocked out . I have Marciano at number 5 in my all time greatest heavyweights , behind 1 ) Ali 2 ) Joe Louis , 3 ) George Foreman , 4 ) Larry Holmes .
he could throw that power all night too. over 15 rounds no one could hang with him. hes one of the greatest fighters who ever lived. had a toughness about him like Dempsey. they were all hard men back in those days, straight out of the second world war
Sometimes an older fighter is better than all the younger ones. George Foreman was heavyweight world champion when he was 45 and beat Moorer who was 26. These “old” guys Marciano fought were mostly on winning streaks and were the best and toughest fighters around and that was an era of great fighters compared to today. He fought the very best of his time and the very best at the time. Bernard Hopkins was light heavyweight champion of the world at age 48. Archie Moore was the world light heavyweight champion until he was 46.
I think people make too much of Marciano's relatively small size. The man could hit plus he had huge reserves of determination. Holyfield shows us that size isn't such an issue if you have determination - even against fairly chunky guys like Foreman, Tyson and Bowe. I think a Marciano v Tyson fight would be incredible. The winner by knockout....
Francissjtuk even as a cruiserweight holifield weighed more than marciano holyfield against bowe weights 218 luky to win one out of three fights the rock 185 pounds
To anyone disagreeing with Don Turner I would say, okay which fighter have you trained to beat a Mike Tyson in his prime, against 12 to 1 odds ? And who have you developed to a level of the Klitschko brothers ? Come and tell me your opinion after you've done that. 😅
He would have smashed Tyson to bits. Marciano might have got knocked down in the early rounds like he did in his first fight with Walcott but even if that had happened he'd have come back and proceeded to batter Tyson into submission for the rest of the fight just like he did with every other fighter he fought as a pro.
Can't trust Don Turner. Rocky had his first pro fight at 23 not 25, look it up. And he never trained the Klitschko's! Don also said Rocky could KO both Klitschko brothers (who controlled Super Heavyweight boxing for 20 YEARS) at the same time, yet 185 lb Rocky with his tiny penguin dwarfism arms could not finish skinny little 185 lb Charles in 15 rounds.
People say he fought nobody’s. Maybe, but he defended the title from the #1 contender every time. Not the second, the fifth, the 20th. He only defended the title from the first ranked contender every time. He only fought the best of his time, whoever they were. Nothing else a man can do
At the very end, when Don Turner says, "You think that Marciano couldn't be him because he was a white guy?"....that was the explicit verbalization of what a lot of people think but wouldn't say.
Rocky was certainly the best 180 lb. puncher ever. His right cross could come from any angle. He never took a round off and wore his opponents down with body shots and constant pressure. He understood tactics and strategy better than his corner did.
I think saying 180lbs acts like he was only good fighting 180lbs guys. But this isn't true rocky came in 186lbs against 200lb guys and came in 186lbs against a 254lbs guy, knocked that guy out in round 1 as well. He was 186lbs because that was best weight for kinetic energy with his body and the best weight for stamina.
Rocky beat Charles (2), Louis, Walcott, Moore and was never really hurt by any of them. Think about it. This is a list of all-time greats. Think about it. People say Louis was old, but he was 37, not ancient, and was on an eight fight winning streak. Rocky had been fighting a couple years. And he did not decision Joe, he knocked the hell out of him.
People who discredit marciano have no clue what they are talking about. He was a machine. You could name a bunch of people that he KNOCKED OUT that are all time greats. Only heavyweight champ to retire unbeaten. Beat everyone available. 93 percent knockout rating. Case closed. He was a great fighter and could fight anyone. Nobody especially today would be able to have an easy fight with him. No one. End of story
Thank you Don Turner for being honest and telling it like it was, black or white, Rocky was the beast that never lost, because he was the greatest 🙌👏❤👌
I just recently started watching Rockys fights on RU-vid. I always thought he had to be a great white hype, and I'm a white guy with an Italian last name. Maaan, I'm glad I finally found videos of him boxing. He was legendary, for sure. Not many people could hit that switch to be someone different when competing. I'm in the Philly area and a huge Brian Dawkins fan. That level of competitiveness was something they both had in common. A gentleman in public, but a beast in the arena. A rare trait for sure.
