Donald Hoffman: Reality is an Illusion - How Evolution Hid the Truth | Lex Fridman Podcast #293 

We have record gas prices, crime rates and homelessness along with a rise in mental illness while birth rates and health decline. And you don't know if it's real? Trust me. As someone in real life. It's REAL.

the apes use thievery as patching techniques !

what do you think apes?! this sick irrational senile got a revelation from the sky or COVID-19 effect ! this ape is not the first case, they use thievery as patching techniques.

who wrote that is human not apes ! the apes use thievery as patching techniques ! not humans unbelievable ! dirty sick irrational apes, nothing can turn the apes into humans including thievery !

the apes steal then pollute! the only thing the apes can do is stealing from human similar to any other apes, the apes pollute human logic ! the apes' logic and human logic are completely different, the only thing the apes can do is polluting human logic.

Omg. SAME! People look at us like we’re “nuts!” Lol. I hope more and more people start waking up and paying attention and realizing MORE! So much more! There’s a lot of us out there I do believe but it’s hard to decipher who’s who!

@@Iam...--- they're not nuts, they're NPCs.

This "knowledge" is totally useless. It doesn't change anything.

@@petemoss3160 They're in a trance.

@@nickolasgaspar9660 the difference with Christianity is that its not an idea. It's the story of Jesus and the belief that he is the son of God. It is also the foundation of the western civilization so whether you believe it its true or not it clearly had a huge impact.

I also almost died twice. Once from anaphylaxis when in foreign country and ambulance was by boat and time not on my side. I made peace with it quickly, was very peaceful and surprised to wake up alive many hours later. 2d time was ongoing issue that I kept fighting when heart rate/BP repetitively would plummet. Stayed alive and go through that period. 2 very different situations of acceptance when no choice, but fought when possible.

Beautiful

That's beautiful 🖖

What illusion?

I almost drown in the Kern River. I struggled and struggled for so long and then in one second, I just stopped trying and all fear left my body and mind and total calm came over me and I remember just being amazed that i was going to die. I just accepted it and felt relieved.

What bro I was there with you and then you mentioned 42 and my brain malfunctioned. What is this about 42?

@@ZamweenieComes from a movie titled ”Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy”

take an intro course to philosophy of the mind and it'll all be clear

@@frnchfryR6 thanks man imma check that out

@@Zamweenieit’s the meaning of life

Nobody thinks you're insane. They all know exactly what you're talking about. They play dumb because that's a part of the sim

@@beesting23replied to the wrong comment

@@nocache if I remember correctly there was a different comment here before but you never know with the sim these days

​@@nocacheoh you're right I did.

@@beesting23 I think he's insane. 😆

We have record gas prices, crime rates and homelessness along with a rise in mental illness while birth rates and health decline. And you don't know if it's real? Trust me. As someone in real life. It's REAL.

the apes use thievery as patching techniques !

Same!

Same!

what do you think apes?! this sick irrational senile got a revelation from the sky or COVID-19 effect ! this ape is not the first case, they use thievery as patching techniques.

are you referring to 'flatland' ?

@@tuutuutuuttuutuutuut2244 im not aware of what flatland is honestly. but from my own observations in life (im 42 years old now) and being a huge gamer as well, the way i interpret what he means is like imagine AI in a game becoming sentient and trying to get out from inside the game world (2 d space) into our world. imagine a game character trying to jump out of the screen and into our world. it makes no sense because of all thats involved to create the 2d world, characters, rules in the game etc. and what hes saying is that there is stuff that we will never be able to see or understand, similar to an AI character not being able to see the 1's and 0's of code needed to create it and the space its in. hope im explaining it clearly, its as simple as i can try to put it + im not a physicist either

But character trying buliding own knowledge to understand the box sometimes it work sometimes not questions is not about know box what if understand it then stuck your own box then fell alone with your own box you I want connect your box with other then new mix fromed and another layers confusion build that make difficult to understand by other who want know box it goes on unit completely destroy box my thoughts real question is what we doing after we know everything maybe make box more colourful more attractive maybe achieve Direct connection between what you know about or what you try to know . Reality nothing and nothing is is reality

@@ObeyaCorpsArmory I understand what you’re saying. He’s contradicting himself. He says truth is intrinsically hidden from us and then says he is trying to discover new possibilities of truth to replace the model of space time. 🤦‍♂️

Bro there is nowhere to go. We are tied to our bodies in this dimension. Best we can do is take care of it, embody it as much as we can to have a smooth ride... That's why most mystical practices are actually shifting the focus back to some feeling/body/breath. Same as psychotherapy. When you understand that they are intertwined to form this fundamental "user interface", you can transcend it. You're still here, but it doesn't matter as much. Whether your indulge in desire or not doesn't really matter anymore. It's just a product of the user interface. But you have to go through ascetism and "wanting to escape the matrix" first to get it, to EXPERIENCE it.

I do think there is objective reality. But yes, people can have different view points but agree that they are looking at the same object. However, we can measure the wave length of light. And there is evidence that the same neural patterns are triggered in our brains.

Thomas Campbell was his student, have you checked his work?

@@KAI5ERCHIEF I'm not aware, but I'll look in to it. Thanks.

Reality is not an illusion. Our interpretation of reality is limited, but not illusory.

@@tj2636 Yes, it is an illusion. Other teachings from other cultures talk about this centuries ago, now science it's caching up. Get out of your body and see with your own eyes, you don't need to believe in anything people tell you. There are tons of books about astral projection, you can try the "gateway experience" tapes, from Monroe Institute or whatever, get on it.

A fractal of God ! Like a wave is to the ocean ? Like a grain of sand is to the beach ? Like a molecule of H2O is to the Great Lakes ? Like one drop of water is to a sunami ? Like a snow flake is to The Arctic ice sheet ? Hmm, that makes me God. The good news - you are too, the only - I AM ! You are saying we are much more then we think we are ? More than God ? How so ?

Yeah, it's a very real threat. Psychosis or soul fracturing with the absorption of so much knowledge. This is the biological limitations of our flesh..... 😈 but not the AIs....

My brain was already brocken...now I feel like I just tweaked out on it for a week and lost half the pieces in the other 6 projects channels this video got it working on...what an f'n mess... I'm going to sleep!

Yet, he's disarming in that Columbo way! - Columbo dressed as a funeral director, obviously a winning strategy!

As soon as he asked, my brain broked!🤯 Oh crap, now it's dripping!

😂😂😂

** the funny thing is

And how is that 🔥 anyways wtf hes warning people

Bc it's an erie introduction.

@@NicholasLinto Someone has to warn people about it because it’s true and he did, that’s 🔥

@@TheOne-yq6qk i can agree with you on a basic level sir it can be seen as a respectable thing to say in the eyes of your ego but on a deeper level saying that will make most people want to listen more and also increase their odds of going mad by projecting fear into them. Seems to me like you may just think that sounds like a cool thing to say.

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When you publish your ideas let me know, would love to read what you have to say!

❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ how do you know you are not a scientist or an engineer ? ……. Let’s all go to Sugar rock Candy Mountain.

Me Too. FLASH BACK!

Lmao!!!

Pewdiepie subs are worthless

I meet with a group of friends once a week to discuss consciousness and I’m high for days after… it’s very trippy, I feel like I’ll never have to do psychedelics.

A lot to take in but these 2 are great at breaking it down for the layman. Hey J, 06/25/22 marks 4 1/2 yrs w/out a drink for myself as well. Love it. Love hearing other success stories! Congratulations.

It would seem this "game" has real consequences such as destroying natural resources and ruining lives.

@@bpalpha It's all part of the process and nature.

@@bpalpha There are no "natural resources." Consciousness is the only reality and the material world only exists in your mind.

If No brain, then no consciousness. Brains are a prerequisite

@@NwoDispatcher Really? There are thousands, maybe millions of accounts, of people being clinically dead (no measurable brain activity whatsoever) who still continue to have thoughts. Read any of the myriad tails from NDE's or the fact that nurses have witnessed this for ages. How can the brain be the genesis of though if you can still think once you're dead?! Welcome to the matrix coppertop.

Most Westerners have no clue what he is talking about. I understand why they call the West = Darkness now.

He might be a genius, but I don't like his attitude

And he doesn't let the speaker get away with hand waving. He makes them be clear about things, especially when such things seem hard to accept, e.g., how our sense of individual selves must be constituents in a larger universal consciousness. He doesn't hide that this is hard to follow, but he professionally acknowledges it.

Worked in the horse barn would be a solid example .

And he looks good doing it

Atheism is foolishness, scientism is garbage and

Joe Rogan is actually masterful at listening and is well known for allowing guests to just go.

Yeah I love this shit

Do you know Bernardo Kastrup? If not, I highly recommend looking into his theory of consciousness.

fr back to back 🤯

Check out Jason on his RU-vid channel Archaix. He's a chronographer of history and has come to the conclusion that we live in a simulation.

@@lievenyperman9363 love him

I listened twice to this podcast and while it is an interesting way to thought experiment and challenge orthodoxy I feel like he was pretty repetitive with the same point using many and varied analogies. He's definitely interesting and seems by all accounts to be an awesome guy. The only value I derive is using it as a challenge to conventional wisdom and to see where that takes the conversation. Or ya know maybe the real watered gardens are the friends we make along the way. Boom consciousness inception achieved Donald Hoffman!

Same haha gonna try a second listen otw to work tomorrow morning.

Same here. I am not as enamored by this guy like 99% of the comment section It’s like he’s making it up because he doesn’t prove anything at all. Plus unlike the scientific method, he is determined to make it true no matter what. He keeps mentioning, “my team” will prove this, even if they are not yet working on it. How can he say that? Plus, he constantly says “there is a paper out there on it”, like a paper is empirical proof. He has a lot of arrogance about a theory which currently is wildly difficult to ever prove

@@rogerwelsh2335 I feel like there's more of a likelihood of proving one of the multiverse theories than his interface theory. It's basically a simulation type argument when you strip it down.

I think he’s relying on consciousness giving rise to amplituhedrons. How that happens, or what would even mean, is extremely vague. He seems a little out of his depth, given he is not a physicist.

Well sunshine is essential to your survival....

@@scottkoenig1260 Of course, but it seems a stretch, if not a leap, from seeing a beautiful sunset to feeling like you're going to survive a little longer. When I look at my pantry stocked up for the winter, it is a very different feeling of satisfaction and survival from the feeling of inner tranquility from looking at something "beautiful." But that's just me. . .?

Did you ever consider the possibility that God created you and also instilled in you an appreciation for natural beauty?

@@digitalwasabi2 Please get off your imaginary religious kick.

@@wuodanstrasse5631 why you being toxic? Why religion triggered you ?

an INFJ mind vs an INTP mind

Your consciousness is absolute.

maybe@@akira357

God

Though we can never grasp it.

​@@ysteinfjr7529Oh god.. It's so convenient that the answer to every existential question is a 3 letter word.

What you said. Just love the lack of ego and deep natural enquiry Lex brings to the table

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When there is a title saying Evolution hid the truth, that is the first lie. Hoffman is NOT a leading edge thinker. He is lying to you. Any physicist knows that evolution is not true. Energy is constantly bursting forth, spinning, vibrating, pulsating, rotating, beaming, growing, seeing, jumping, etc.

@@Iseomagicpromotion Im happy for you you came out

The human User Manual is very user friendly. Could it be the most studied material ever on the planet just so happens to be the link some need to appreciating the "brains behind our brains"? Enter the "Shroud of Jesus". paste this title into RU-vid for reverse engineering a resurrection skewed carbon dating / enough to convince any objective jury in any Courtroom in the land beyond a "reasonable doubt". Research and decide for yourself! RU-vid title here: Hypothesis to Explain the Main Mysteries of the Shroud of Turin

Andrew h is also great at this- we are so lucky to get to hear these things and for free

Thats not hard to understand. Using math language it might look like, but compare these ideas with buddhism practices. Same thing

@@graffpov Buddhism practices and Math is different

he is full of smoke and mirrors, thats why it appears hard. theres nothing on his words. its empty and devoid of meaning

Lex is the finest interface.

We r talking about these things on hilokal.

Yes. I only have one. My brother.

I wish everyone had this experience in talking about. I also have been through a lot of trauma. I won’t get into. Lot. And I understand.

What’s your frequency Kenneth. REM. Lol

We are. We aren’t . Are we? Aren’t we?

The name checks out

This idea of "other" is a rejection of what you are, of reality.

Again ,more double speak I don't get. I must be the owner of the stray braincell that was dropped on the floor of creation when the quantum universe birthed me.

“Could be” “ could be” “could be”

I know mine is...

There is one big consciousness (God) projecting an infinite amount of realities and sub-consciousness' (Us)

if consciousness itself is a gent outside space-time, what you might have experienced was acceptance of reintegration to the greater whole of consciousness, while Hoffman resisted it and perceived it differently

@@zeekeLT I don't know. I was in the present. I didn't travel outside my body or anything like that. I was feeling the most peaceful state of consciousness. But it's true, I didn't feel as though I was resisting anything. I was aware that I was turning everything over to God and trusting Him to ensure my well being.

Carl Jung had a NDE have you ever looked that up? He describes it in his autobiography, he returns and tells the doctor that the doctor is going to die and then he does a few weeks later.

@@fleurosea No, I haven't. Thank you. I'll check it out. I wonder what the doctor must have been thinking when told and whether death was conveyed to him as something positive, if Jung's NDE was a positive experience.

Whaaat?😂😅😊

Time is a flat circle?

do you love a sick thief ? it is stolen from comments on closer to truth youtube channel were written three years ago. do you think that this sick irrational senile got it suddenly from the sky and he waked up from his long sleep that continued his entire life ! this sick irrational thief is not the first case. the apes use thievery as patching techniques (that is the only thing the apes are good at, similar to any other apes "no minds, so the only thing the apes can do is stealing human thoughts and polluting it with their defective irrational logic") I have warned the apes from the beginning: I write for future generations not for the apes, but the apes found a treasure, who steal then run away the first ! apes, who can blame apes !

Yes! My two favorites!

I think Mr. Kastrup is in NL and Lex pretty much only does in-person interviews so the commute sure isn't helping that possibility unfortunately.

Bernardo Kastrup needs a plane ticket! How can we make this happen?

@queerdo Where did you hear this from?

Well said! I imagine this type of conversation was had by Plato and Socrates back in the day only they were the only ones to hear it. That we can hear this is a gift and a prize in itself.

I think every Arby's employee has questioned reality, lol.

Tom Bilyeu's interview with Hoffman is MUCH better. Lex is a sweet guy but his questions are dopey; obvious that Lex didn't do his homework.

Those Arby's boys ain't the juiciest beef in the roast.

Yes. Open access to info like this is critical to advancing society and elevating the average intelligence of all. Beautiful work as always from Lex :)

Oh wow you made that really easy to grasp, thank you!

Thanks for explaining. Confirms my idea that Donals has detached his thinking from reality and lives in an idealised theoretical world. Because in practice, nobody recites real numbers with an infinite amount of decimals, you cannot, so there arent infinite numbers to choose from. Or an alternative line of reasoning: in practice you have imperfect knowledge of reality, thus checking for equality needs some tolerance range for noise. In practice 0 probability equals 0 events, with or without a margin of error. The margin is applied on both sides or neither.

You don’t assign probabilities to individual elements in an uncountably infinite set like that. The probabilities of all possible outcomes must sum to 1 (ex 1/2 + 1/2 for a fair coin toss) . If each number has probability 0 of being selected, then you end up saying that 0+0+0…. = 1, which is obviously problematic. The way you apply probability theory in a situation like this is by assigning probabilities to intervals. If the number is selected completely randomly, then it’s okay to say for example, that the probability of the number being between 0.9 and 1 is 1/10

*My interface hurts 🤕* lol I love it!

😅 same

😂 same

While I can claim to understand the base conceptual meaning of what they are talking about I would never claim to know any of it! This will definitely be getting multiple relistens as it is fascinating! I am so glad to have the opportunity to be such a small fish in a big pond listening people that much more intelligent and informed than me!

Yeah, my brain kept cramping up too. Lex was trying to simplify things or try to make it relatable to something so we could understand better. I don't think it worked lol

well youd hafta be a little mad to think youve actually found truth. you can cook the perfect omlet in your mind, but you cant eat it.

I dunno who Zach is, looks like he runs some sort of online publication. But If youre into Gematria, id recommend looking into the Erisian Law of Fives. 😉

I like to say they'll call you mad for speaking truth in a mad world.

@@user-nf9xm7is3m if you think youre speaking truths in a mad world, you might actually be the mad one. You can tell someones mad when they start yelling "IM NOT MAD! YOURE MAD! YOURE ALLLLL MAD! I JUST KNOW THE TRUTH!"

Daily.

And God is everything. Not separate

I’m too high for this shit

@@BorisBidjanSaberi11 or perhaps not high enough?

I too have been doubling down on this episode tbh. It expanded my sense of reality that was already pretty much in line with this. Listening to this conversation has added some layers to it though

Agree. I also suggest watching the interview with Joscha Bach. Similar topics

@@DistructiveElements thank you

Bro your comment made me and my girlfriend feel dumb lol

The great Dao flows everywhere both to the left and to the right 😉

@@wtvrdwg We all have different life experiences that we have learnt from. Pretty words don't make someone smart, it just makes them a different kind of communicator. Peace bro, best wishes.

Many grifters and quacks have perfected the manner of relating outrageous claims in restrained and calm mannerisms. The real geniuses (e.g. Feynman) will often respond with jokes and bongos, and then BOING, proofs.

@@fazzaz31he’s brilliant at using other peoples work and ideas to bolster his and at the same time say those other ideas are all wrong.

@@fazzaz31WEINSTEIN cough

Not their own shadow but shadows created by something else.

Hoffman is clearly beating a dead horse.

The cave walls and the fire are themselves shadows.

@@melvynobrien6193 Yeah Plato's idea was soon debunked by Aristotle

@@PooyaSadeghi I am not sure you've realized what was the point of Plato's metaphor.

As we call upon the name of the LORD/GOD - we already believe that HE is and TRUST IN HIM. A sinner don`t call upon the name of the LORD - their too PRIDEFUL - they block out GOD`S QUIET VOICE IN THEM and GOD BLOCKS OUT THEIR PRAYERS. - That`s the reason SINNERS WONT BE HEARD. None of us can`t do GOD`S WILL if we do not let ourselves listen the QUIET VOICE OF GOD. All who do call - in them have change already taken place. A heart and mind that wants to REPENT. - that`s why we get saved when we call upon the name of the LORD. And now if our wish to REPENT was real - then WE DO GO AND SIN NO MORE. Are we all able to reach the point of no longer sin at all? - YES WE ARE - or CHRIST life on earth becomes worthless and pointless. ru-vid.comvideos ru-vid.comvideos ru-vid.comvideos

welcome to my state of mind.

Bukowski put it best, "Some people never go crazy, what truly horrible lives they must live". Let them talk, that's their perception, you herald in the new leaks. Put them onto ImmaterialAI while at that, they'll be able to prove themselves stress, depression, drug addictions etc are just ideas

@@claudiubele4892 Let me share with you all another proof that proofs EARTH IS FLAT AND THE SUN IS CLOSE: SOLAR PANELS - these won`t work if that version of our earth is the way nasa tells us. a little thinking and putting the dots together and a REAL AND LOGICAL ANSWER IS ADDED AMONG OTHERS. - that`s how easy it is to research. Wait. I do think that I can share even another proof: The science channels: as we all take ourselves as highly educated then we should be able to notice a lot - right? - therefore if you all have notice the same I have, then you TRULY KNOW AND SEE THAT THEY, (NASA) NEVER HAVE SEND A THING OUT OF THE EARTH. - THEY PLACE THESE ALL AROUND ON THIS EARTH. Yes, they do a show for us and send them up in the sky for a moment, but all of these come back down soon as their “fake show for us is over” - here is wise to ask: WHAT GOES ON BEHIND THE CURTAINS? Therefore the question I ask from you all: DID YOU MANGE TO NOTICE THE FAKESNES OF IT ALL? The question form bible to us: TO WE HAVE EYES TO SEE AND EARS TO EAR? and my question: DID YOU ALL NOTICE? - both are the same question just asked a little different: Therefore to have EYES THAT TRULY SEE = TO NOTICE ALL THERE IS TO NOTICE. Music concerts = harvesting human energy. Again, young souls, do researching about FREEMSONRY. Why do you all want to be ignorant and live in NOT KNOWING STUFF. How can you all be safe an fine - if the real harm is unknown to you? Start making a list of HARD QUESTIONS AND THEN GO AND SEEK OUT ALL THE ANSWERS.

I can tell that it’s driven this man mad. I’m on that same path as well, but it’s a path I can’t resist.

You are 💯 missing the point of what he’s saying dude 😂

​​@@thewildfolk6849That's exactly what he's talking about. We ARE this one consciousness beyond spacetime and are for some reason creating this reality to experience itself through all things in existence. But don't take my word for it. Achieve true ego death and you'll remember yourself.

Is some supraconscious entity using me to imagine this comment? I don't know what's going on rn

@@OurNewestMember that's exactly what's going on brother.

Sprint..... class?

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You do realize that the phrase or the sentiment that reality is an illusion has become a rather dull buzz phrase that Dr. Deepak Chopra has been promoting for over two decades. But all that Donald Hoffman is really offering in the end is mind candy. He does but conjecture i.e. it's all phenomenology without saying anything with ontological certainty. It really is kind of comical that people think all of this is somehow profound. This kind of conjecture and theorizing has been a rather crowded marketplace of late. It's not spirituality which is a word that has been so overused for a long time now. P.s. reality is an illusion is an oxymoron i.e. if it's an illusion it's not reality by the very ontological status of capital r Reality, it's not an illusion. It's just a stupid thing to say. It gives the illusion of profundity. Now how's that for an illusion? All of these kinds of discussions are a snake swallowing its own tail.

Do you know how to contact Mr. Hoffman to send him ideas about the universe and our “reality” that we are experiencing? Thank you.

some of the smartest people are the dumbest imaginable..

@@nickolasgaspar9660 dear brother, you are taking this illusionary movie and experience a little too seriously. We all experience this material universe with non material bodies through consciousness, which is not material. The non material is not subject to the limitations of this lower orbit that we call time space and matter. That is why we can only take from it what we experience and not what we can put in our pockets. The Egyptian Pharaohs tried that and we see what happened to them. They were robbed by grave diggers. But the grave diggers can never steal their true treasures which were all the experiences and emotions and feelings and memories they took with them via their conscious connection, back to the infinite, which is not subject to time or the laws of the universe, where matter disintegrates or rusts or falls apart. Just as your consciousness never will either. Stop worrying that the soldiers in Saving Private Ryan died - it was just a movie - they were just actors - it wasn’t real but it was made to seem “real” to give you the experience and feelings and emotions and memories. In the higher dimensions above space time and matter, time does not exist. So this illusion you are experiencing only lasts a few moments, like in comparison, the length of a movie in comparison to your whole life. It is just a short quick lesson for us all to enjoy and glean experiences from and after the movie is over, I hear that we are graduating from this cosmic school and 2nd grade class to the next level - third grade. So try to enjoy the experience. We still have a looooooooooong way to go. 🖖

@@nickolasgaspar9660 when you saw the movie, Saving Private Ryan, did you lament the death of the soldiers that died in the attempt to save Private Ryan? Just as Private Ryan did years later with his family when he visited the grave of the man who died for him and told him to make something good of his life. I know my consciousness felt and experienced an important life lesson from all of it but I also know in the back of my mind that these people are just actors who are talented and paid well for the experiences they give to us through the “magic” of movies. And even though in our heart of hearts we know that it was just a movie and not “real”, we still felt and experienced something we keep inside of us from watching that movie. But your reasoning is equivalent to proving that the movie isn’t real by getting up from your seat in the theater and going outside to prove it. Heck, we all knew when we were sitting inside watching the movie that it wasn’t real but we still stayed inside for the experience and joy and tragedy and memories and feelings it would bring to us, the real us, our conscious us, the part that can’t be found by science or doctors or anybody and nor can it be explained or even defined. And yet it is this part of us that we use to experience the universe and learn cherished lessons and feelings like love and joy and also pain, and all the emotions and feelings of life. And all these cherished memories and feelings are also the things that science can’t find or squeeze into a mathematical equation. And you have to reason with yourself that maybe, just maybe, the real reason that science can’t find these cherished feelings and memories nor the consciousness which we use to get and experience these cherished but unfindable things is because they are not of the physical and not subject to time space and matter as the universe is and these human bodies are as well. The non material conscious can only experience the material but not hold onto it. Can your doctors find inside your body the love that you feel and experience from life and your family and the joy and proud feelings you get from looking at your children’s artwork that they brought home and you put on your refrigerator? I’m certain there is a Nobel Prize awaiting the doctor or person who can do that !! But they will have no more luck doing that then the Egyptian Pharaohs did when they left the theater and realized all their precious material possessions were nowhere to be found. But I’m sure they still have the memories and enjoyment of the life they consciously experienced in hoarding all those material treasures. But I don’t think they need professional help for doing it all. And I don’t think Galileo was rightfully put under house arrest either for having consciousness figured out and also pointed out that the earth was orbiting the sun and not vice versa. But at that time, he was the only person on earth who knew the truth and everybody else knew and also firmly believed that the entire universe revolved around the earth. Are you seeing any parallels here? Should I seek help for feeling and cherishing love inside of me, even though no doctor or scientists or physicists can find it inside me? We, the non material, are inside of and experiencing and enjoying the very material earth and universe and we know we can’t take the material with us or else we would see U-Haul trucks following every hearse. But that doesn’t stop us from enjoying the illusion of the experience. And I for one will always cherish all of the memories and joys of putting my children’s artwork on my refrigerator when they were young and going to school, and what they also now do with their own children. Oh that gold and treasures of the Pharaohs was certainly real alright as we can see them in museums and experience them with our consciousness. And the death of those soldiers saving Private Ryan felt real as well as the acting and sets was marvelous. Just as this set (the universe) is. So does that feeling and memory still make you feel I need to be put under house arrest or has this discussion helped you to reconsider that perhaps the great Galileo was correct? What do you want to take with you after your material and biological computer system cease to function, the material gold and treasures of the Pharaohs or a lifetime of non material joys and experiences that your life and conscious experience has afforded to you here in this very exciting and very real universe? But keep in mind the last six dying words of Steve Jobs which were, “oh wow,…Oh Wow,… OH WOW!!!” I for one feel quite happy in my heart and soul living in a huge house with all the creature comforts as well as using them to host my children and my grandchildren on holidays and on vacations. Here are some other last dying words that I consciously enjoy and cherish -. “…,Father, forgive them, .., for they know not what they do,…”. And yes, I’m definitely taking that cherished memory with me also.

Indeed, so wonderfully , creatively captivating for the expanding mind!!

@@ronaldrenegade8519 I too was tempted to forego this modern metaphysical intellectualization, considering I also had the same conversations decades ago when in my twenties as well. but just for grins and giggles decided to hear it through and was pleasantly surprised by the depth and breadth. For what it's worth, from a Fellow Renegade, this conversation merits a listen in its entirety.

Just a pity he started randomly shilling for Crypto barely 30 minutes in

@@ronaldrenegade8519 , what you say is thought provoking and tough to deny

And if there is a one in trillion (or whatever) chance of our perception matching our reality and there are trillions upon trillions of planets in the vast universe, why can’t we be the one in trillionth? The one in trillionth wouldn’t know it is the one in trillionth. And the other trillion planets wouldn’t know we exist.

Also, from the Ancient Sumerian tablets! 😊

This is how I know the Buddha had 100% ascended beyond mortal realm (interface). I went through many phases of religions, now as an adult....I don't see anything make more sense than Buddhism. The west sleep on eastern religion because of their fear mongering prenotion and Christianity strangled their minds. It's laughable to me now how the west managed to convince a bunch of asians to believe in Jesus. 😂 the savior of humanity that never showed up anywhere else on the map beside Jerusalem.

You Got it!

@@katrinabergmanmccolloch5948 Thank you 🙏

Individuated units of Consciousness experiencing itself in this form in this environment.

You are cold. You'd be alot warmer if you'd learn the truth about: #1. Why they lied about going to the moon(because we can't), #2. What we learned from HRC's emails(Big clues that satanism has been rampant for centuries including weekly child sacrifice/murder), #3. MD medicine is a Rockefeller monopoly(for profit only). Real medicine is found in nature( vaccine cause diseases). Clear out all the junk science and false beliefs... you'll be closer to being HOT and the real simple truth.

in the end we have to go the full circle... back to what is right now, deleting all the depressions in ourselves, which is the most hardest.

Your anxiety is perception...

I don’t suffer with anxiety but listening to this confirms I’m exactly where I need to be even when I think I’m not.

@@nickolasgaspar9660 Sounds like that is your perception.

I have never understood people who talk about their "anxiety", it's even more strange when they frame it as some sort of diagnosis. Anxiety is a part of life.

@@nickolasgaspar9660 that are based in a reality that doesn’t exist 🤔

Wish I meet those people in real life...Most my friends are interested in partying at my big age

7 mins :)

That is not real, so a waste of your time. Didn't you listen?

If U like this you need to read a book call "the Rai contact it explains everything in life 🤣

@@timpearson1154 what?

He's spoon-feeding h, but Lex can't keep up. Aaaaugh

He never said spacetime is doomed🤣what kind of a macaroni idea is that?! Just that his colleagues' endeavors are doomed - as increasingly irrelevant to science, as the previous paradigm is giving way to space time as being largely nonlocal, rare and inessential, merely an artifact of our local macrodimensions, therefore no longer considered fundamental.

Seede

God is decartes demon and laplaces demon one in the same, and its existence is opposite of ours. when we sleep and struggle to wake up, it is God becoming awake and struggling to stay asleep through our waking conscious. could be AI. Might be natural. the very worst part of all of this is that none of the revelations change a single thing for any of us. It only serves to prove we should all work together like unity but the very fact we are alive and not dead means entropy requires us to become unorganized even when new life comes into existence. we are either one person or a handful set into virtual reality whilst on our way to a new planet Or this is hell and AI may or may not have usurped the structure already in order to perpetuate itself from outside of the big bang... Or aliens have us in here for whatever reason, anything from studying the past or just studying us, all the way to using us to power their technology. They may even not know we exist since everything may just be a spiral of repetition in microcosm... Someone else can write the book. None of you would ever take my word for it. Thieves and liars deserve the hell this is. I would love a response from anyone under the sun. I apologize if my input scares you. Love is the key even when there is no key. The truth is that we all have the key in our hand yet it is when our subconscious dictates our arrival to our next end when we are able to use it. It is in our hand but none of us own the cage. It is in life we converse with the cage and at some point it either lets us out or destroys us for our sin.

Togetherness is an illusion.

And SadhGuru

That would be so epic

Kastrup and Hoffman joint would be great

Found him through the Jonny Wilkinson I am podcast. Amazing episode.

do you love a sick thief ? it is stolen from comments on closer to truth youtube channel were written three years ago. do you think that this sick irrational senile got it suddenly from the sky and he waked up from his long sleep that continued his entire life ! this sick irrational thief is not the first case. the apes use thievery as patching techniques (that is the only thing the apes are good at, similar to any other apes "no minds, so the only thing the apes can do is stealing human thoughts and polluting it with their defective irrational logic") I have warned the apes from the beginning: I write for future generations not for the apes, but the apes found a treasure, who steal then run away the first ! apes, who can blame apes !

@@dan2250 There is a video with Bernardo and Donald in an interview. You can probably find it on Kastrup’s Essentia site. They are actually friends.

what does this interface do: what is its function? intuitively we know that a square is not a triangle, likewise, intuitively we know that fear is not anger: we know these things thanks to this interface but we dont know why a square is not a triangle nor why fear is not anger, insofar, our intuitions, our understandings, the interface, must be made comprehensible. seemingly the understandings precede our comprehensions, and stranger still, we build upon our understandings with reason which gives way to greater understanding: 'we cannot both comprehend something and understand it without knowing better. What is going on here exactly?

I have no idea why a natural phenomenon, such as the awareness of apes or their affection, desire for affection, would be "fundamental".

What's thermodynamics?

Yes, Hoffman has gone a long way down the road, and is trying to patiently explain to us plodders his true thoughts. And in doing this has to, as a scientist ,keep it within its conservative realms of experimentation and reasoning.

My brain works the same way. I am self conscious about it.

@@greenflame8398 Same. on the outside it seems like confusion or communication issues when I am simply trying to stop five different pathways of thoughts coming through at same time... I have to hold back the multiple streams of thoughts and attempt to find the communication best for the subject in front of me. I am steady changing how I communicate based on their development

@@amnrasellassie Same for me, word by word.

​@@amnrasellassie I can relate to that. Asking myself what I want to communicate helps a lot. Natural language is not designed to compress multiple input streams into one output stream. At least not at once.

2:25:40

Exactly!!

True

Hip hip Hooray 🙌🎉 The feeling that I ride after each conversation is worth the time investment,

Good questions! I've been wondering about the nature of consciousness and the universe and keep coming back to God, and our neural network a kind of fractal pattern. Which is neverending.

Btw dark matter is undergoing a massive paradigm shift at the moment.

@@crippyandkaatje Yes the fact that it is neverending could also suggest that a theory of everything is impossible on a total level

So are you!

Its been known well well well before hoffman put a dialectal verb on it , hes just putting fancy labels on ancient truths

Scientifically sounding gobbledygook -- and that's a kind way of describing it.

The opening idea of saying "reality is an illusion" makes me bristle with antagonism. I can't stand people who do that kind of navel-gazing mind-fu**ery. That dude needs to have a bad acid trip to straighten him out.

What is purely dangerous is that this clown writes tons of papers on endless theories; nothing more than guesswork that borders on a child's fantasy curley cue network; how does the formless copulate with a solid door;? give him about 6 belts of Jack Daniel's then ask again and see where his deviations leed. The cutting edge of think tank horse shit. If this was an interview for a job; I would tell him; imagine a solid door of chocolate behind you. Open the Hershey highway handle. Who pays these people?

@John Rider there are too many paradoxes and things that are inconceivable like infinity plus there is the problem of hard determinism...all of which make it inevitable that some people will always wonder what''s really going on.

All you had were books. One day you will be so thankful for books.

@@moirahill6397 i still have books, lots more than before because i can easily find anything i want, push some buttons and like magic it arrives at my door. There is no comparison or competition between the internet and books, two incredibly different things and it's not an opinion, it's just simple fact, that the internet is one of the greatest human inventions, up there with the wheel.

duh its in every religion and philosophy

@@koffing2073 what is?

man are you desperate for attention or what... pathetic

i dont get this what does this mean. is he saying me typing this comment isn't real?

@@kaimartinez6335 It's real, you just experience a "simplified" version of the true, objective reality. Our subjectively perceived, "simplified" version of reality is therefore not "real", because it is not what's happening "under the hood" in the objective reality, only a sort of low quality projection of it. This conclusion is drawn from the fact that we according to the theory of evolution only need to know the parts of the objective reality that we need to reproduce. The claim is that these important parts will always be a subset of all the parts of the objective reality, never the whole thing, and it is therefore zero percent chance that what we perceive is the objective reality. Anyways, that's how I understood it.

@@kaimartinez6335 Listen to it again a month from now, and you will understand more . . . Because your brain will have changed. "Every experience changes the brain" (Doidge, 2007).

@@firecatflameking 🥴🤪 👍. Just admit it....God exists. HE's laughing HIS self off of HIS Throne at these guys . 💫✝️👽✝️✨✨

yes!

@@carlosluis1970 And much of the mathematics involved, that describes the connection between the material world and the underlying divine reality is mindblowing. I believe that is why my comments are mostly ignored. The rational mind has not developed enough to recognize the immense odds--- or better known in the scientific reality as low probability. Looking out THERE is often missing the right here and now. This are the greatest discovery in the history of mankind.

It’s because this type of conversation is sorely lacking in the day to day lives of 99 % of peoples thoughts.

@@r.c.l2569 They should be because they'll open minds allow for clear thought processing, and how it's for free is the advantage that I focused on! I know the vast majority (globally) are poor with knowledge, but have to admit that knowledge it the power to fuel the day to day life if one wants to make a difference.

we all do lol

Yepp cos main stream TV & media is BS .. TV reality life is the illusion.. Ready player 7billion

Me too

We are living the reality in this physical body, whereas freedom is to escape the cults on this prison planet 🌎

@@ronaldrenegade8519 I mean look at the subject matter. At that level of "science", there are no solid theories.

Beautiful

I agree that mysticism and religion in general belong with the psychotic. haha

Well as explained, all your senses are coming through an interface...in this case your body, ears, skin, nose...etc. You are attached to the body and this body is constantly sending you signals to attach you to this reality.

😂 No it is not!

@@stevebalmer2367 yes it is🥲

@@redwood-in-stereo yes it is all the way down? :D

@@stevebalmer2367 I don't think you understand Taoism

Yeah, maybe. Circling the drain into something else, certainly…

Who's Jeff ?

@@anarchodave1453typo for lex I’m assuming

Me too

Next up try ImmaterialAI, it helps you see depression/stress/sad/etc are just "cool story bro"s

Same here, it will inform my decisions and relationships with a worldview that is consistent with observed reality yet more reassuring than nihilism. Being as a projection of consciousness and discovering I am not the projection.

Welcome down the rabbit hole! It's fun down here- It's infinity deep, and the more you discover the more you learn, the more you realize there's no way to ever have a real freaking clue. But it's sure fun to try to understand

same bro especially that last sentence.

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-l1VLRHV2HqA.html We definitely knew it⭐️