+_ Bug hitler rose to power because the people of germany were in turmoil because of the treaty of versailles. he was racist for many reasons, the main being the loss of WW1. he never played doom and violent games, they didn't exist. hitler's mom died of cancer, and his dad died of lung hemorrhage. he had alot of shit in his life and he more than likely went fucking nuts because of it. no, he's not the reason for why hitler existed.
@@gizmo7727 They're more like my minions. They'll fight for my name, but I can slaughter them for fun if I get bored cause they're my little play-things.
30 years of hardcore gaming under my belt. Have never once been tempted to hurt another person or living thing. I did hit and kill a cat with my car two years ago, but i pulled over and cried for about twenty minutes.
My dad, who adores DOOM, Mortal Kombat and many violent games, was maddeningly depressed days after he THOUGHT he ran over a tortoise. I even played Mortal Kombat when I was 4-6.
Actually, Harris never developed the pictured WAD of Columbine High School. That WAD was made by another third party. The claim that Harris _ever_ recreated Columbine High School is heavily disputed and barely substantiated.
@@LiakkDoesStuff a very tasteless one at that, and I say that as a fan of the Postal franchise. I can give games like Postal or Hatred a pass because they’re so stupid and are largely not based on real events, but making a game based on one of America’s most shocking atrocities is just abhorrent. It’s the same issue I have with JFK Reloaded, a literal JFK assassination simulator. It’s simply a line in gaming I will not cross.
+Jayo Caine You're kidding right, this is not the only case where the bullied kills the bully. Years of getting abused makes you crazy, not all humans are the same, some can just tolerate it. Some just commit suicide instead...
Exactly thanks for proving my point, the mentally ill can't tolerate it and go on rampages. Early intervention is key in these situations, boys will be boys bullying is part of our nature. In the office, in the school yard, out in the field in the military. It always has and always will be a staple trademark of male hormones. Yes it sucks, but it's nature you can't and shouldn't prevent it. Look at the wild, there's Alphas and Betas it's a key component to social hierarchies. Without bullying we wouldn't have some amazing inventions and human beings. Some of the most amazing and creative minds have come to surface just to spite the people who bullied them. Ever hear of the under-dog syndrome? Hell i'm sure one of your favorite videogames was created by a nerd who was made fun of, you get alot of time to cultivate your skills when you're not out invited to all the cool kid parties.
Kid: gets bullied Parents: calm Kid: ends up with psycological trauma and stress because of bullying and neglective parents Parents: calm Kid: does any kind of act of violence Parents: *_Gaem_*
It annoys me that people blame video games and other kinds of media for shootings and such but fail to address the mental stress that was being put on the boy by the bullying in school which was the root cause of their feelings.
+Blaze They even know about and admit the fact that the boys played it to escape from being outcasts, but they refuse to admit the fact that being outcasts was the reason they shot people.
+Blaze Incorrect. The book Columbine, written by Dave Cullen, digs deep into the rumor that these boys were bullied. It is not true. They were, in fact, bullies themselves and sociopaths. FBI profilers Cullen interviewed confirmed this. If the kids had not actually performed this tragic act, more than likely they would have ended up on the FBI's Most Wanted List.
+GuardianR105 Indeed. I do not believe that they did this because of the video game Doom inspired them, I instead believe that they were mentally disturbed individuals that had an obsession with the game because it allowed them to do things that they wished to do, and when the game wasn't enough they actually did it
Been playing DOOM and other violent video games to relieve stress and you don't see me hurting anyone. Some people don't know the difference between a video game and reality. The problem is not the games it's the people.
The fact that 2 idiots want to start a shoot in school just because they got bullied, isn't fault of the game, but parents should blame theirselfs to not know that their children are suffering abuse and bullying because of assholes in school, the game is just a product that give us joy and a good time, not a teacher neither a person you can blame of the actions you did or perform.
Olbed Hayak Asimov Exactly. Also maybe it's the mental state of the kid but those of course are never checked and it's the fault of the game that's complete BULLSHIT. When you shoot up 10 kids in a school, clearly you have a LOST screw in your head that needs to be FIXED it's not the FAULT of a fucking VIDEO GAME!!! I have countless friends and know countless people who played "violent video games" and are the nicest people I've MET. I played god of war when I was 9 but i grew up fine, why didn't i start stabbing people then?! That whole argument is complete BS by now and whoever uses it needs to be fucking executed!
MLG anime tits I agree with all you said (Except the part of execution of course '^_^ ), neither developers of videogames, movies or any kind of media should be stopped by censorship bullshit or SJWs who thinks that their opinión is important, because they are enough keyboard Warriors to blame the work and sacrifice of a person who love and enjoys to make such a masterpieces just because over what they think is correct. Because obviusly people with an education are smart enough to not perform such horrible actions if they know that they are bad of course (Unless they are phsycos, which in all case they should be watched by their parents already to watch out for his mental state), clearly parents are responsable of what their children watch, hear and or play.
Olbed Hayak Asimov Yeah i know. Im not a violent person at all, but seriously every time a see a person who uses this argument i wanna fucking stick a grenade in his fucking throat and force him to swallow it until it explodes in hes stomach obliterating him and causing all of his guts to slowly drop out of the holes in his body and then shoving them up his butthole!!!
You'd be surprised with what kids then could keep from thier parents, bullying isn't the sort of thing they would tell there parents of (all to often that is) and as a result sometimes it did build to a head like that.
They also give them a release valve to let off steam. With development and adoption of violent games, violent crimes paradoxically dropped. That is why Germany is not banning violent games anymore.
Playing Doom has turned me into a weapons expert without ever holding a weapon. Isn't it amazing how moving a mouse perfectly simulates every weapon imaginable? My commander told me that in all his career, he has never seen a new recruit fire a rocket launcher by holding it between his legs, let alone propelling himself up by shooting at the ground while jumping.
“I changed the swastika out of the game because people were upset that an evil symbol was in a kids game” “ I removed the swastika out of doom for the same reason” It’s official doom is a children’s game
I just want to point out that most psychiatric facilities were abolished during 60s-80s in America. Letting loose the crazy out into the world. Prime age for parents and their psychopathic kids.
It's weird they say games train people in the use of a firearm. The main issue is a gun is so simple in design a child simply needs to put two and two together and you figured out how to use one. A gun is pretty much a point and click weapon. I fired a .44 magnum before and shot the target with little issue. It's not very intelligent to say something so simple can only be learned from a videogame. Everyone understands how to stab someone. A videogame doesn't need to give you a life tutorial to figure out pointy thing+neck=death
+Bumbleness Supreme Brady Yea, and as weapons technology is 8ecoming even more refined, recoil is 8ecoming less of an issue to land consecutive shots with semi-automatic weapons. I have an AR-15 made in 2014, its really fun to shoot as its so smooth while delivering a satisfying punch, I have no issue dumping the 30rnd mag under a minute while keeping it on target at ranges of 80m or more, with around a 90% accuracy its honestly so easy to do its a little frightening the the implic8tions that this weapon is just readily availia8le to most anyone. Though there is one thing, firing an actual weapon is not at all like in a video game still, thats simply false, 8ut I would say that may8e, a video game can condition a mind to make quicker, and more precise decisions in a short amount of time, 8ut this learned skill can 8e applied to anything, and honestly, I think more physical "games" like anything with a 8all, or even just tag, would have a similar effect when played competitively. Games in general, not just video games, have the capacity to teach soldier how to fight effectively.
well that depends on all three of your guys percepective. yeah, call of duty teaches you jack shit on weapon handling, but it trickles real knowledge here and there. hold your breath to stabilize your cross hair on targets to small to account for sway, your focus should be on the sights not the target a blurry target can still be hit as long as your sights are aligned, and laying flat, or crouched should increase accuracy. these basic tennets of shooting are what your first taught. it doesnt tell you to pull the trigger straight back with middle of the last segment of your index finger, but we all cant be winners. but my main point is the military advantage of non-military based games. golf can help you account for windspeed affecting bullet curve and drop, something a marksmen with a PhD learns. Theres also the benefit of stratedgy and war games that allow people to understand unit loss, and officer positions. its all about what someone has taken away it. sort of like books, they say they can teach everything, but most people just read fantasy and think what their hero does is real and thats what they want to do.
You're lying, I would understand you first time shooting a 9mm, 45 ACP etc. But if you were to shoot a .44 magnum, you will get knocked right in the face.
Been playing DOOM since 1995, when I was 5 and learned how to boot it up in DoS. Never shot up anyone or anything besides clay pigeons and paper targets.
If you think about Bobby Prince is a mad genius. He was full blown lawyer before choosing to pursue his career in music and as a result he knew perfectly how much sampling of music he was allowed to do before he could get into actual legal trouble.
Scumbag parents: Try to sue id software because without the game it wouldn't have happened. Don't try to sue the maker or provider of the weapons used by shooter.
Not the maker the provider if someone made a bow and someone bought it and someone stole it from the guy who bought it what do the guy have to do with that
Brian G bullying happens in every school, regardless. My boyfriend was bullied in elementary school until he stood up for himself and showed them who's the boss. Not all kids can do it and having an intervention with the bully's parents will suffice. However the main cause of the Columbine, and every other school shootings throughout the years, is medications related to mental illness. When you are on anti-depressants, you dont feel anything. Adding that with the torment happening at school or home and you will have a disaster that is bound to happen.
now this is exactly why you dont take anti-depressents. learn to cope with it or get help from a professional or let your friends or family help you. hell when i get stressed out i play doom. instead of hurting people irl i kill demons and let the thrill cheer me up.
Kid: Getting BULLIED at school to the point that the only emotions they feel are anger and sadness ,also suffering from depression. Parents: iT'S tHe vIDeO GamES!!!
+The Treacherous Disciplin In Australia it's 100 times worse, anything more violent than a handshake is banned and anything that shows more than an exposed ankle is too sexual and is banned.
As a German, I always though it was supposed to be prounounced winking over to "idea" software, as in: "We create so great games nobody ever saw before". When I heard it's "idd" I was like "Lame!"
I love the whole shareware thing, it’s just- Midway: “Oh shit our bad, we’ll make the game less gorey.” Sega: “Sorry, we’ll drop our game entirely.” ID, shoveling out Doom for free and encouraging everyone to play and modify it however the hell they want: “Smells like a little bitch in here-“
Little correction: CS:GO (at minute 5:29) is not censored in Germany. CS 1.6 however was. "Killed" enemies just sat down and shooked their heads. It was the same in Half Life, when you shot one of the scientists or guards. But like said in the video, the authority in Germany got loose over the last years on this topic.
Releasing Doom's first episode as freely distributable shareware was not some sort of "nuclear option" in response to the possibility of regulatory action. It was just a standard marketing practice for PC games at the time.
I played Doom when I was 4, and I still love playing it. I grew up to be a nice Christian girl. Video games don't cause problems unless you allow it to.
+KaB Art Studio You don't really have control of your mind when you grow up (adults around you do). It's everything that surrounds you. One game, probably won't cause any problems but if you play it for years or you play a lot of games like that for years when you grow up + plus your parents don't put any interest in you you'll become a very bad person.
+3tjn3 I partly agree. I did play Doom quite a bit. Especially after my dad died when I was just 9 years old. He use to play it with me all the time. It was good memories I had with him, and it's always been one of my favorite games. I was also blessed with wonderful parents who taught me right from wrong. They taught me the difference of fantasy and reality instead of depriving me from video games out of fear that I might do bad things because of games.
I'm going to have to step in and say: Eric Harris nor Dylan ever made a Columbine HighSchool mod/map for the game. There is however a few versions floating around of a mod someone made of Columbine (Columbine.wad) massacre... but this was years after. Eric DID make some doom maps but not very many.
I had been playing video games for seventeen years before I had any formal firearms training, I leaned more in one minute of my first pistol course then I did in seventeen years of video games. The kid who hit 8 people with 8 bullets was most likely in a crowded area where it was hard to miss.
I was sure one of the facts would be that it wasn't a 3D game but a clever way of rendering a 2D top down shooter using vertical pixel columns sized to give the illusion of depth.
Fun Fact. Every since the release of Doom (the first extremely popular violent game) there has been a VERY large decline of violent crime in the U.S. So while video games have gotten increasingly more violent and crazy, the opposite is happening in the real world. Seriously, look at the statistics, it's pretty crazy. While this doesn't prove that violent games are helping lower real world violence, to say it's increasing it is crazy talk without some kind of study.
+MikeJRthe2nd Actually, if you look at gun violence statistics since the 70s, this point in the graph is the lowest it's ever been. Yet every media outlet is flooded with these horrible "gun nuts" that must be stopped. Just proves there's a large section of easily lead morons that the government likes to use to distract from real issues.
+James Gibson The internet does three things: Helps you learn about guns and gun safety. OR Hundreds shut you down on any sane gun forum just for not having eye protection. OR Helps you want like weekendgunnit on reddit where people just joke with shit they find or do.
There are a lot of factors that could be behind the decrease of homicides: stricter profiling, removal of lead from gasoline, etc. To say that gaming has an impact is hard to judge as no studies have been conducted. It's even harder to do so as Congress continues to object to funding said studies. Regardless of whether it does or does not, legislating any form of media be banned or edited because it's violent or hate speech is ethically wrong.
Inferno Memes and Lets plays Reason why? no. One thing has nothing to do with the other. Besides, the numbers have been going down on the larger scale. Lots of factors, sure. These imbeciles like to blame just one thing though. That's my problem with it. It's ridiculous reasoning followed by specious reasoning and then stripped to be politically correct. Result? One big lump of stupid.
+Sul Haren Ach so, jo hab's jetzt noch mal gesehen war GO aber S hatte nach dem Vorfall in Winnenden (ka ob's richtig geschrieben ist) n Update in dem se sich hingelegt haben (hatte es es vor und zu der der Zeit gespielt und dachte erst so: okay?..) kann sein das sie es jetzt removed haben, aber CS:S hatte diese "Todesanimation" durchaus.
The actual reason John Romero's Door was chopped down was that John had to go to the bathroom, grabbed the door knob, only to have it come apart in his hand, upon which he called Carmack's office and told him to chop the door down as he was actually trapped. According to Carmack they actually had a good excuse to use the battle axe in his office as they had griped about the crappy office attire on a few occasions. :)
Another fact you didn't mention was that the Nightmare! skill level was added because it was felt that Ultra Violence was too easy. Furthermore it was one of the first skill levels to not be fully playtested so there was no guarantee that it was actually possible. John Romero was actually shocked when the first NM Speed movie demos of Doom II were released
Another weird fact: The team used a lot of real life sources for the sprites and textures in the game, such as using plastic models and toys that were photographed and digitized into the game as well as photographing a wound on a knee...
Mom can I buy Doom? What is Doom? Is a game created by the devs from commander keen. Oh, that family friendly game, yes you can buy it. It OBVIOUSLY itsn't going to be violent. ID is such a good team making family friendly games. Hehehe
The fact about Doom's music being similar to others songs and their creators not taking legal action made me smile. If I made a good song and it was used in a game or the game had a song heavily inspired by my song I would be ok with it as long as the game turned out good. Also censorship in video games sucks, I feel bad for the people with strict censorship laws
About the Composer - Bobby Prince - he was a lawyer, too. Don't know if you guys knew that. Anyway, he figured he knew exactly how closely he could copy those songs without getting sued. And since he never got sued, genius. And Doom 1 and 2 are some of the greatest collective soundtracks ever. So. Win.
The fact that Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold were bullied can be disputed but one things for sure: bullying was not the only reason why the columbine shooting happened that day. The truth is is that Eric Harris was an unstable teenager with psychopath tendencies whereas Klebold was a depressive suicidal. Eric pretty much groomed Dylan into the shooting posing it as a way of committing suicide while “righting wrongs” along the way. Doom’s involvement in the cause of the shootings is slim to none. The personality traits and the environment which the two shooters grew up in are much more of an explanation as to why the shooting took place.
Doom does not cause violent behaviour. Most people can readily differentiate between Doom and reality. Those who can’t have major psychological issues already, usually personality disorders, developed by genetic predispositions and upbringing/childhood issues.
6:22 "but i removed it shortly after the game was released, because people were upset of an evil symbol being in a cute kids game." "i also removed the swastika from e1m4 for the exact same reason" because people were upset about an evil symbol being in a cute kids game???? is doom a kids game
Oh damn I remember playing Doom in the upstairs office with the lights out because I wasn't supposed to be playing it, and getting scared shitless coming around the corner to some imp or face-rending demon. hah!
The Columbine shooting happened as a result of an idiot getting angry and stressed out from bullying until it reached a boiling point. It would've happened regardless if he played Doom or not. Hell, the shooting probably would've happened sooner if he DIDN'T play Doom, as he wouldn't have a way to vent.
