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DOOM 3DO: Or How I Survived Hell - Burger Becky 

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After converting Wolfenstein 3D to the 3DO, Rebecca Heineman was asked to port DOOM for the 3DO, a game that was supposedly 90% complete. Listen to her tale of all the issues and problems that had to be overcome to get a game converted to a new platform in 10 weeks under intense pressure from multiple sources.
A presentation at Vintage Computer Festival West 2022
August 6, 2022 at The Computer History Museum, Mountain View, CA

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@Crissaegrim-xv9cu
@Crissaegrim-xv9cu Год назад
As someone who studies software engineering and really struggles with it, i really respect programmers and understand how much of a pain it is. Specially considering the fact that she only had like 10 weeks or something, if that was me i would actually just give up lmao.
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Год назад
Yes. She had incredible stamina, fortitude and intelligence to get it done. Not many people could or would have done the same.
@scifyry
@scifyry 3 месяца назад
For real, it took me two weeks just to build a basic game collection app in my Android class. I can't imagine refactoring an entire game for a different console.
@jesus_t
@jesus_t 9 месяцев назад
Honestly? Mother. She served pure charisma, uniqueness, nerve and talent for managing to do a port for a console in less than 10 weeks, and slayed the programming runway Congratulations, my dear, youre the winner of our hearts and support, becky ❤
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 9 месяцев назад
She is really great!
@nirv
@nirv 24 дня назад
Father.
@dtbjason
@dtbjason Год назад
Had no idea she did Wolf3D for the 3DO! That port is soo underrated and amazing!
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Год назад
We agree!
@NostalgiaCassetteCity
@NostalgiaCassetteCity 8 месяцев назад
I'm pretty sure she did basically every port of that game. I know for sure she did the SNES port of it
@RainerKannemann
@RainerKannemann 4 месяца назад
Sometimes she (and other developers) concurred with Carmack himself for the ports. Heinemann got help by him in the last moment for this port.
@Trampelschrat
@Trampelschrat Год назад
It must be kind of frustrating, that the insane accomplishment of putting Doom on 3DO in ten weeks is overshadowed by it being one of the worst ports gameplay wise, while the music made by this clueless CEO's band is THE redeeming quality of that version.
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Год назад
So true.
@kiss_my_axe4639
@kiss_my_axe4639 Год назад
She's so awesome. Glad she succeeded in this project. Doom is the greatest of all time
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Год назад
She is a great programmer and a great speaker that has accomplished a lot of things in the vintage computer gaming realm.
@KabelkowyJoe
@KabelkowyJoe Год назад
She is, saw her interview on Retro Man Cave recently and "fallen in love", thinking she was so awsome in her teens, and then i reed story ;) Worked with woman sharing simmilar story also one of smartest i ever meet.. for that reason. I can't be less cryptic (research). Hint she worked for Amazon and created unoficial group inside called Glamazon..
@EnriqueThedy
@EnriqueThedy 2 года назад
Rebecca! thank you! it's ever a pleasure listen your amazing experience. I vote for much more of that!
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 2 года назад
She is a great speaker and we will definitely invite her back for a show at some time in the future.
@KyleHarrisonRedacted
@KyleHarrisonRedacted Год назад
Been following Becky's work for many years, super respect everything she's done. Always fun to hear the story of 3DO and Doom lol
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Год назад
Yes. She is a great person. I was so glad to meet her in person. We will definitely invite her back some day to our show!
@millenniumtree
@millenniumtree 2 года назад
That's one of the most fascinating stories I have ever heard in game dev! Becky, you're an absolute LEGEND! And congrats on getting paid - a lesser being would have gotten scalped!scalped!
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 2 года назад
Yes. She is really a wonderful story teller. And she has such wonderful stories too!
@papa_robot
@papa_robot Год назад
Who was the idiot at 35:35 saying that Jaguar has a 64 CPU.? ...oh, yeah. it was me :D
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Год назад
LOL! A fun time for everyone. A great speaker in case!
@papa_robot
@papa_robot Год назад
@@vcfederation In my discharge I never said CPU, I was referring to the 64 bit blitter chip. But for sure that's not even a full 32 bit system
@Gorkab
@Gorkab 5 месяцев назад
Truly awesome to hear her speak about 3DO in general, and great questions at the end too! Thanks for uploading!
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 4 месяца назад
Our pleasure! Glad that you enjoyed it!
@yatsey007
@yatsey007 Год назад
Late to the party but what an amazing story to tell. Considering what became of the Art Data CEO,him being an absolute blag artist doesn't surprise me in the least. Tbf his soundtrack contribution was pretty badass and with more time the 3DO port could have been top tier. Hats off to Rebecca,working under that much pressure with amateurs could have ruined somebody less strong willed. An amazing developer and a great story teller,truly multi-talented.
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Год назад
She was truly a strong and smart person to have survived those experiences!
@someonesusingmyname
@someonesusingmyname Год назад
After hearing these stories for years it was great to hear the facts straight from Becky. She's such a badass. I wish I had one tenth of her skill and knowledge of code.
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Год назад
Yes. I am amazed at her programming prowess as we well as her fortitude and intelligence in navigating the craziness of dealing with management, etc.
@pingas6429
@pingas6429 Месяц назад
I'm Still Stuck On Scratch, To Me, The Port Is Really, Really Impressive!
@phazonclash
@phazonclash Год назад
Mad respect for that woman, she's awesome, and that video was super interesting. I've read in the past on the story behind the infamous DOOM 3DO port, but hearing it from her directly is even better. As far as I'm concerned, she did great considering the time she was given to port it, the blehhh machine she was working with, etc. Good job Rebecca, you're the real deal
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Год назад
Well said! The story that she told was very entertaining!
@pixelmentia
@pixelmentia Год назад
So basically Doomguy should've been sent to Art Data HQ instead of Mars.
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Год назад
Exactly!
@naverick22
@naverick22 Год назад
I looked up more about the Art Data Interactive CEO, only to find out that he is currently in jail.
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Год назад
Wow! What did he do?
@naverick22
@naverick22 Год назад
@@vcfederation Uhh to put it lightly, back in 2017 he used to run a kids music school but decided at two points to get a little too _engaged_ with the kids, and now he's set for jury trial next month.
@blakegriplingph
@blakegriplingph Год назад
​@@naverick22 I asked Becky on her thoughts about Randy Scott's criminal activity and she said she hopes Randy would rot in jail. And it's sad and disgusting to note that on a recent Doom 3DO review video a number of users, mostly edgelord trolls, picked on Becky just because of her being transgender.
@sperrin
@sperrin 11 месяцев назад
He's not in jail, he free. He was given a 3 years and 8 months sentence, but he had 'credit' for 2,496 days in custody and never went to jail as the 'credit' covered the sentence given.
@wonder2k19
@wonder2k19 7 месяцев назад
Came across "Burger Becky" quite a few years back just researching about Doom development. Wow, just a wealth of knowledge she has. Heineman, Carmack and Romero, inspirational people.
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 7 месяцев назад
Burger Becky is a real inspiration and has a great story!
@dylanherron3963
@dylanherron3963 Год назад
Algorithms be praised, it seems my loooooooong steady journey into the foray of Demoscene, tracker music, LGR, Techmoan, Cathode Ray Dude, Tech Tangents, and other vintage tech outlets has led me here! What an awesome presentation. I'm only 30, but now as we live in the world of 8, 12, 16, 36-core processors and GPU's utilizing boards packed with 16gb of very fast VRAM, hearing about the intrinsic accomplishments and dedication of the people that made the scene what it is today is golden-age info that shouldn't be overlooked. It's so much more impressive to me to see the output that was squeezed out of 8 Mhz Processors (and less). The limitations of the time period did not stop the most prominent minds! Long live Cyrix and Texas Instruments! lol
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Год назад
That's what makes vintage computers so special and keeps people reliving it and telling stories about it and still using these machines!
@TheSimoc
@TheSimoc Год назад
More than agree. Unfortunately that golden info is nowadays being overlooked all the time. Today's software industry has largely lost all their professionality, and more often than not, the "modern" software runs with awfully poor performance even on modern hardware due to horrible bloat.
@dylanherron3963
@dylanherron3963 Год назад
@@TheSimoc Everything is a fork of a fork of a fork of a front-end, with 2 compatibility layers in between so that nobody has to spend time learning anything when they can just write code and throw it into a conversion service.
@FR4M3Sharma
@FR4M3Sharma 11 месяцев назад
I'm 23 yo (at the time of writing this comment) and I love learning about how old school games came into play, when I learned how DOOM and Quake revolutionised the video gaming genre, I just couldn't stop learning about the people who worked on them overcoming the technological hurdles in insane ways. John Carmack, John Romero, Rebecca Hienneman, Randy Linden, Ken Silverman and Tim Sweeny are some of the people I'll always have upmost respect for.
@blakegriplingph
@blakegriplingph Год назад
I asked Becky on her say about Art Data's CEO and the criminal charges filed against him, and she said that Randy Scott deserved being condemned as a nonce if the accusations are proven true.
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Год назад
Interesting.
@sperrin
@sperrin 11 месяцев назад
He pleaded guilty in April of this year and was given a really stupidly low 3 year and 8 month sentence (one of the kids he sexually abused was only 5). However, he had 'credit' for 2,496 days in custody and that covered the punishment. So he's out and free.
@blakegriplingph
@blakegriplingph 2 месяца назад
​@@sperrinEven then he had to register as a sex offender for the rest of his miserable life.
@sperrin
@sperrin 2 месяца назад
@@blakegriplingph But that is no substitution for a proper punishment. Sexually abused a -year-old, out free as he had served time in credit and just has to declare that he is a peado. He got off lightly.
@max.zelinski
@max.zelinski Год назад
Came here after watching Stop Skeletons From Fighting :) Becky you are amazing!
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Год назад
She really is an amazing speaker!
@casedistorted
@casedistorted Год назад
This is amazing, So glad they recorded and uploaded this, It is really fascinating and I found out about it via stopskeletons Edit: I remember one person in my life that had a 3DO growing up. Of course he came from a rich family and grew up a rich kid, and I never saw it myself. I just remember like 11 years after the 3DO launched I had a boss at a place called Real Chili who told me he owned a 3DO when he was in high school. I couldn’t believe it, I didn’t know anyone who had actually bought one
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Год назад
Glad that you liked the video!
@ALM1GHTY.PEANUT
@ALM1GHTY.PEANUT Год назад
Heard the Doom 3DO story from another of her videos and several others and it never gets old.
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Год назад
The hallmark of a great speaker is that they are always entertaining no matter how many times they give a talk!
@EastyyBlogspot
@EastyyBlogspot 8 месяцев назад
If I had the money I would pay her to complete the game just to see how good it could be
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 8 месяцев назад
Yeah. It would be a great game!
@soyunbonus
@soyunbonus Год назад
Of all the Doom ports, this one has a great story behind. Go Becky!
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Год назад
We agree!
@vandammesque
@vandammesque 2 года назад
Some context: Track Playlist: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-m35pIk5wfNk.html Walk-through: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Nx2k8jrCOUU.html
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 2 года назад
Thanks for sharing those links!
@Joeyboots80
@Joeyboots80 Год назад
Love Becky! Coding legend! She worked on many of my favorite games, nothing but respect!
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Год назад
We love her too! Great speaker. We will have her come back again soon!
@JawkneeJay
@JawkneeJay Год назад
I live for stories like this.
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Год назад
Great, entertaining stories!
@Lyricaldeamin
@Lyricaldeamin Год назад
Becky is the best. Waiting on her to make a video explaining killing time pc /3do differences
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Год назад
Glad that you liked her talk!
@zaphodbeeblebrox8184
@zaphodbeeblebrox8184 Год назад
Just awesome! Thank you very much for sharing this :)
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Год назад
She is one of the best storytellers!
@zuzukyd
@zuzukyd Год назад
There must be a good reason to not have a mic for the questions at this event, but i cant think of a good one right now lol
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Год назад
No volunteers available to run around with the microphone. We are a group of volunteers. We are not paid to do this. We rely on the available volunteers to do what we can. Are you offering to volunteer?
@zuzukyd
@zuzukyd Год назад
@@vcfederation thats..understandable. don’t even live in the same country but i definitely would😬. Great job on this events
@BX56_YT
@BX56_YT 10 месяцев назад
Talk about Development Hell.
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 10 месяцев назад
Yeah. That's for sure!
@RetroPiero
@RetroPiero Год назад
She's a Demon coder.
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Год назад
Absolutely!
@BlackBlur888
@BlackBlur888 Месяц назад
What an absolute hero!
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Месяц назад
@BlackBlur888: She is wonderful!
@warmachineuk
@warmachineuk Месяц назад
Yep! Overwork developers and the quality of their work goes through the floor. Manage expectations, concentrate on something basic but good, and put the delayed features in the next version.
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Месяц назад
@armachineuk: So true. Developers are human after all and need not only physical rest, but "brain breaks". It's a well understood idea.
@teckno0641
@teckno0641 10 месяцев назад
i want a job with this lady, she understands.
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 10 месяцев назад
She is great!
@johannharding8161
@johannharding8161 Год назад
Thank you very much for this great and inspiring video. I love it! Rebecca is pretty cool and a great speaker!
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Год назад
You are very welcome! We love to have new and different speakers with great stories!
@hottestmanevar
@hottestmanevar Год назад
Sounds like a typical gamedev process today with any major corporation involved
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Год назад
That sounds like a terrible process!
@penvzila
@penvzila Год назад
This is the first version of doom I ever played, and I didn't hate it at all.
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Год назад
Cool!
@kelownatechkid
@kelownatechkid Год назад
Awesome presentation!
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Год назад
She always does a great presentation! Very polished speaker!
@ERIKPEREZ80
@ERIKPEREZ80 Год назад
Wow!!! this is a great history. Becky is a great speaker!!!
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Год назад
Absolutely!
@steffennilsen2132
@steffennilsen2132 Год назад
This is quite the warstory
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Год назад
That's for sure!
@miketrav
@miketrav 6 месяцев назад
I totally get that. The game was rushed and totally sucks, but why would it be hard if they gave her some video clips to put that in the game?
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 6 месяцев назад
Yeah!
@ProtoMan0451
@ProtoMan0451 4 месяца назад
would massively increase the games filesize and 3DO video decoding sucked
@RainerKannemann
@RainerKannemann 4 месяца назад
Whats about Optidoom? The project resulting from the source code?
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 4 месяца назад
You should send Burger Becky that question. I'm sure that she would be happy to answer it!
@mopeybloke
@mopeybloke 3 месяца назад
I wonder if Rebecca has done anything for the PlayStation 2.
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 3 месяца назад
@mopeybloke: Very good question. I will ask her the next time that I speak with her.
@BryanWhite-zr5mq
@BryanWhite-zr5mq Год назад
randy scott is pure evil
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Год назад
LOL!
@jjstraka1982
@jjstraka1982 Месяц назад
Makes sense the 3DO version of Wolfenstein 3D is so good if she decided the Mac version was the one to port. The Mac version was far and away superior to DOS at the time, and I honestly think it's better than ECWolf to this day.
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Месяц назад
@jjstraka1982: Thanks for your comment!
@20000lbs_of_Cheese
@20000lbs_of_Cheese Год назад
Wonderful talk to listen to
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Год назад
We are glad that you enjoyed it!
@AMR-bf8nx
@AMR-bf8nx Год назад
A genious unknown, until now…
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Год назад
Not well known before, but much more well known now!
@beeaaran9949
@beeaaran9949 Год назад
Conference is from 2022 but yet manages to look like is from 1995. Amazing!
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Год назад
Yes! After all it is a Vintage Computer Festival!
@dragonpjb
@dragonpjb Год назад
I thought you could get Doom to run on a potato 🥔.
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Год назад
LOL!
@meanmole3212
@meanmole3212 Год назад
You can, on a potato from 2005 onward
@kraftwerklover69
@kraftwerklover69 11 месяцев назад
@@meanmole3212 late 90s
@meanmole3212
@meanmole3212 11 месяцев назад
@@kraftwerklover69 if 486 was considered potato, sure. 386 is stretching the word "run".
@jjstraka1982
@jjstraka1982 Месяц назад
Not in 1995.
@richardhobsonabreu3372
@richardhobsonabreu3372 Год назад
Becky!!!Becker!!!! You are amazing
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Год назад
She is a really great speaker with lots of great stories!
@jessestrobel2
@jessestrobel2 Год назад
Cool shit. Rock on Becky
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Год назад
We agree!
@Hackinside
@Hackinside 2 года назад
Amazing piece of history information. She is a star.
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 2 года назад
She is really an amazing speaker and I love to hear her stories!
@ignaciofdz2824
@ignaciofdz2824 Год назад
awesome 😮
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Год назад
She really has an awesome story!
@ropersonline
@ropersonline Год назад
Was there some technical reason the Mac version of Wolfenstein 3D only had like three sprite graphics per mob instead of like 8 as in the original? That made it so much more jerky when enemies turned, which made things much less seamlessly immersive. Also, the higher-rez graphics were nice enough, but why wasn't there at least an option to restore things to the original DOS graphics and sounds? I always felt respect for the seminal original game demanded that. With the Mac version as it turned out, I liked having the Mac version of the game and I did play it, but I didn't really love the port, and I hated the fact enemies comprised of fewer sprites.
@RebeccaHeineman
@RebeccaHeineman Год назад
The codebase was based on the SNES version where all the side sprites were removed due to space reasons. I wanted to put that back but I wasn’t given the budget to have the new hi res enemy art created for enemies backsides, the shipped with the art as is
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Год назад
The codebase was based on the SNES version where all the side sprites were removed due to space reasons. I wanted to put that back but I wasn’t given the budget to have the new hi res enemy art created for enemies backsides, the shipped with the art as is. So. No tech reason. Budget reason.
@ropersonline
@ropersonline Год назад
@@RebeccaHeineman THANK YOU for answering that! So if I read that correctly, then a compatibility mode with _ye olde louuer-rez artuuork_ COULD HAVE featured all the partial-turn sprites, but perhaps shipping essentially a two-in-one version of the port probably also would have blown the budget. And I suppose we can blame the SNES port guys, because their ambition to go "more pixels = more better" created a trade-off that bumped against space constraints, which would ALSO have meant there would not have been space to additionally include all the lower-rez original art assets also: If there's not enough space for a few more hi-rez sprites, there's not enough space for a whole duplicate (albeit low-rez) set of sprites either. Honestly, as a (then-)gamer, I would have preferred the original sprites _(esse quam videri)_ both in the SNES port (which I however never owned) and the Mac port, but at least I understand now why the hi-rez assets lacked some sprites and why the original assets weren't included. Btw., new ports are STILL coming out in Current Year: ICYMI, James Howard recently released a CGA 8088 port of the game. Yes, really.
@michaels.ramsey7803
@michaels.ramsey7803 Год назад
3DO was the shit yo!
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Год назад
Yeah. It certainly was!
@TwinOpinion
@TwinOpinion 2 месяца назад
Burger Becky the LEGEND!
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 2 месяца назад
She is awesome!
@ChryslerLeBaro
@ChryslerLeBaro Год назад
This woman is a programming god. No one can refute her knowledge. I can only wonder what she plays around with for giggles. Truly a monster with a keyboard!
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Год назад
Incredible talent and incredible storytelling!
@dmitrykim3096
@dmitrykim3096 3 месяца назад
3do was a failed console anyway, so even if doom was optimized well - it wouldn't have sold much better
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 3 месяца назад
@dmitrykim3096: Unfortunately you are correct.
@admiralAlfonso9001
@admiralAlfonso9001 Год назад
30:33 this time stamp is a bookmark
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Год назад
I don't understand. You liked the question?
@admiralAlfonso9001
@admiralAlfonso9001 Год назад
@@vcfederationI was going backwards to listen to a previous part and I set that time stamp so I could get back to where I was watching easily
@admiralAlfonso9001
@admiralAlfonso9001 Год назад
Like a bookmark
@orangy57
@orangy57 4 месяца назад
you'd think that after making doom in 10 weeks she'd at least be able to make some slides in 10 minutes. Might just be a weird venue setup
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 3 месяца назад
@orangy57: She's more comfortable doing talks without slides. She has had a lot of experience so she doesn't need nor want them.
@BassGoesBoom1
@BassGoesBoom1 Год назад
What is this thing?
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Год назад
This is a talk by Burger Becky about her coding Doom for the 3DO. It was presented live at VCF West 2022.
@vicbrother3570
@vicbrother3570 Год назад
Doom Forever
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Год назад
It was truly a fun game!
@ВадимБеляев-щ3д
@ВадимБеляев-щ3д 11 месяцев назад
какое отношение имеет эта женщина к doom на 3do его портировал билл а не ребекка совсем другой человек это самозванка
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 11 месяцев назад
Она создала Doom для 3DO. Она Бердж Бекки, a.k.a. Ребекка Хейнеман
@ВадимБеляев-щ3д
@ВадимБеляев-щ3д 11 месяцев назад
doom портировал на 3do билл хайнеманн а создавал джон кармак и никакой ребекки тогда не было эта женщина самозванка пусть возьмет имя билл и постригется
@okroshka7
@okroshka7 9 месяцев назад
@@ВадимБеляев-щ3д Билл и Ребекка Хейнеман, вроде как, один и тот же человек
@ВадимБеляев-щ3д
@ВадимБеляев-щ3д 9 месяцев назад
а@@okroshka7​
@nil0bject
@nil0bject Год назад
you really did not understand the macintosh platform at all
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Год назад
How so?
@ВадимБеляев-щ3д
@ВадимБеляев-щ3д 7 месяцев назад
ребекка ты красотка
@vcfederation
@vcfederation 7 месяцев назад
Она действительно!
@natalya_volochay
@natalya_volochay Год назад
so is this male, female or whatever this is?
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Год назад
She is female who used to be male.
@natalya_volochay
@natalya_volochay Год назад
@@vcfederation it means mentally ill person
@GaliosUA
@GaliosUA Год назад
@@vcfederation you cannot change your sex, mate. You're born with it.
@gipgap4
@gipgap4 Год назад
@@CCave-wj6xy male but fools like to fool themselves.
@coderamen666
@coderamen666 Год назад
She is a transgender woman. She is someone that was born male but took steps in her life to become more feminine in various ways and live as a woman. There is literally nothing wrong with this. It might confuse someone that is comfortable in their birth body, but it's none of your business.
@dev.j255
@dev.j255 Год назад
I'm pretty sure thats a man
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Год назад
No. She is a woman. Look under the section for personal life: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebecca_Heineman
@Paranomalous
@Paranomalous Год назад
He sounds like Chris Chan lol
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Год назад
She doesn't sound like Chris Chan at all.
@Paranomalous
@Paranomalous Год назад
@@vcfederation He actually kinda resembles Chris too.
@Edward-bm7vw
@Edward-bm7vw Год назад
I mean they're probably both autistic to some degree
@plaguis1391
@plaguis1391 Год назад
Much better spoken than Chris, I see what you mean though lol
@Paranomalous
@Paranomalous Год назад
@@plaguis1391 I said he sounds like chris, not he talks like Chris.
@Edward-bm7vw
@Edward-bm7vw Год назад
Hold up.... That's.. That's a dude
@vcfederation
@vcfederation Год назад
Nope. Not any more. It's a chick.
@Edward-bm7vw
@Edward-bm7vw Год назад
@@vcfederation Nope, I clocked it a mile away. Definitely a dude.
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