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Douglas Pollock - Electricity costs and CO2 emissions in the presence of renewables 

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"Electricity costs and CO2 emissions in the presence of renewables - How renewables hinder CO2 emissions reduction and increase the cost of electricity"
16th International EIKE Climate and Energy Conference, IKEK-16, 14-15 June 2024, Vienna.
Dr Pollock is a civil engineer and graduated from the University of Chile. In recent years, he has worked extensively on the economic consequences of climate change and the energy transition.
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@EikeClimateEnergy2
@EikeClimateEnergy2 14 дней назад
Would you like to support the work of EIKE? You can easily do so with Paypal: www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=GDMB9HN4CQDQW or bank: European Institute for Climate and Energy, Volksbank Gera Jena Rudolstadt, IBAN: DE34 8309 4454 0042 4292 01, BIC: GENODEF1RUJ Please also give us a thumbs-up and subscribe to us with bell! This will help us to be suggested more often in search engines and on RU-vid.
@C_R_O_M________
@C_R_O_M________ Месяц назад
Excellent presentation!
@EmilNicolaiePerhinschi
@EmilNicolaiePerhinschi Месяц назад
good one
@adamwMLB
@adamwMLB Месяц назад
Great presentation
@kevin_6217
@kevin_6217 Месяц назад
Excellent video
@patrickmcguire4617
@patrickmcguire4617 Месяц назад
The math here gets a bit tedious, but the conclusion here is inescapable. There is a rather small parasitic load that solar and wind can put on existing baseload power (maybe 15%) before the backup loses become severe. The "spinning spare" backup concept is well represented by the analogy of a car idling at a red light going nowhere. This analysis doesn't even include the massive economic waste and excess CO2 generation and environmental damage caused by the construction of a huge amount of redundant equipment. Proposals involving using batteries or other energy storage devices to eliminate this problem are quests for unicorns or fairy dust....they aren't real. Magical thinking, like Net Zero by 2050, will not work in the real world, and real people will get hurt. Great work, guys!
@ThisIsToolman
@ThisIsToolman Месяц назад
A bunch of clever, unethical entrepreneurs convincing/bribing naive politicians. Imagine the good that could have been done with the wasted money, and now it’s necessary to spend even more money to fix what has been done. Shame on those who profited.
@johnl5316
@johnl5316 Месяц назад
great
@vgstb
@vgstb Месяц назад
Europäisches Institut für Klima und Energie (EIKE), the European Institute for Climate and Energy in English, is a German climate change denial organization founded in February 2007 in Hanover.1 The group hosts a conference on climate change in Europe, which brings many of the same speakers as the Heartland Institute’s International Conference on Climate Change in the US. EIKE has also co-hosted the Heartland Institute‘s conferences in the past. EIKE’s slogan is “Nicht das Klima ist bedroht, sondern unsere Freiheit! Umweltschutz: Ja! Klimaschutz: Nein,” which roughly translates to “The climate is not at risk, but our freedom! Environmental protection: Yes! Climate protection: No.”
@C_R_O_M________
@C_R_O_M________ Месяц назад
Thanks for assuring us that we are watching the right channel. The information in the presentation was great! Your comment, not so.
@renezirkel
@renezirkel Месяц назад
The LCOE for solar and the LCOE for battery storage has dropped since 2019 (your reference) and is expected to drop (much) further. Once the LCOE for solar with storage is below the costs for the gas power backup, you dont need any gas backup. It does not make any sense to build now many new gas power plants, when most of them need to be decomissioned soon after due to economic factors.
@jochenehmen6108
@jochenehmen6108 Месяц назад
A whole country including it's industry driven by intermittent sources backed by batteries. Greetings to utopia - or rather to the hell that will be.
@C_R_O_M________
@C_R_O_M________ Месяц назад
That will never happen with current battery technology and, moreover, battery manufacturing is extremely CO2-intensive. That's why EVs need to cover very high mileage only on renewable charging just to breakeven in emissions with an operating ICE vehicle. The amount of battery storage to sustain the current global electricity needs are so enormous that you will possibly need to extract all the Earth's lithium and the same counts for other battery chemistries. The mining involved defeats the original purpose. It'll be so environmentally damaging (not to mention totally unfeasible as mines need decades to get through licencing, preparation and practical hurdles to become productive.
@renezirkel
@renezirkel Месяц назад
@@C_R_O_M________ How can you say, that this will never happen? There are already some (highly) profitable battery power storage systems out there. Each one is making 1 other backup power station obsolete. As the prices for solar and the price for batteries are expected to drop (much) further, the economic disparity will increase to the detriment of gas power backup stations. Furthermore, batteries for storage systems and EVs having a breakeven point is good. Which means after the breakeven point you clearly reduce C02 emissions. Maybe not as much as expected, but they do as long the lifetime is longer than the breakeven point.
@C_R_O_M________
@C_R_O_M________ Месяц назад
@@renezirkel you don't understand why solar and wind became cheaper! It's because oil prices dropped at some point and dropped steeply. This isn't likely to be happening on a regular basis. Wind and solar production costs are very much dependent on oil prices. Moreover, breakeven points require very high mileage. In some cases (large batteries) about 120K miles (or 200K kms) and with the assumption that all charges are done on 100% renewables which practically will never happen. Source G&R reports ("Ignoring energy transition realities"). Also, many vehicles/batteries from EVs are forced to decommission even after minor accidents because their chemistry is very unstable and not to be trusted. These vehicles will never reach breakeven. On top of that, you have tens of thousands of EVs that have been already produced (and their CO2 is already emitted during production) that are rotting away in vast car cemeteries in countries that heavily subsidize their production (like China). It is more profitable for the car company to pocket the subsidies and retire the new car than sell it and deal with major expenses in recalls, warranty claims, after sales support, spontaneous ignition of batteries, etc. Welcome to the world of failed central planning!
@jochenehmen6108
@jochenehmen6108 Месяц назад
@@renezirkel _There are already some (highly) profitable battery power storage systems out there._ There are? Highly profitable even? Concrete example, please!
@RushWasABand
@RushWasABand Месяц назад
In this gentleman's world storage doesn't exist, neither does adaptive demand. Inverters already deal with the inertia from spinning thermal generators. Baseload power generation is unnecessary and the exess renewables will be utilized by energy hungry industrial processes that don't mind power intermitency. Water filtration/desalination is an example
@renezirkel
@renezirkel Месяц назад
So true. He leaves out all other options until there is only 1 option left. That does not sound right.
@C_R_O_M________
@C_R_O_M________ Месяц назад
The man has presented you with the current facts (leaving out even more demonizing facts about renewables like their horrendous intrinsic EROEI WITH storage, aka batteries, which is a hypothetical scenario of completely substituting the current thermal-based energy grid with "renewables". "Renewables" is also a propaganda term as the very means aren't even recyclable and going to produce enormous environmental problems in the future. P.S. Not to mention the amount of CO2 produces for solar and wind in their production phases. Remember that wind turbines and solar panels last about 12-20 years before needing replacement so you'll need to find ways to dispose the millions of tons of waste they produce. Currently not feasible. The whole agenda is a catastrophic ideological propaganda and China and India DON'T follow! It is extremely suspicious when they are so against the only solution that actually makes sense: nuclear!
@kevin_6217
@kevin_6217 Месяц назад
27:15. You are a liar.
@jochenehmen6108
@jochenehmen6108 Месяц назад
_In this gentleman's world storage doesn't exist, neither does adaptive demand._ BS - storage does not exist and never will in the extent needed - you know that "adaptive demand" means telling people and businesses when they can do what It's a euphemism for constant shortage and control. Something that was explicitly not wanted by always accommodating demand.
@renezirkel
@renezirkel Месяц назад
@@jochenehmen6108 You too. BS. 1 "Storage does exist". Just google existing energy storage power plants. There are 40 in the world and many more to come. 2. "Not to the extend needed". Any market tries to supply demand as exactly to the extend needed. As any battery storage power plant is just part of the normal power market, the market will clearly decide how much storage will be needed and then therefore build. 3. "shortage and control". Adaptive demandgoes both ways. Yes, you will have price hikes in shortage situations, BUT you will also have bargains in oversupply situations. The costs for power should level out in the long run. Futhermore you personally can take advantage of the system if you are ready to shift your demand or/and install a battery in your home.
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