Dr Ames is nearly 96. And Dr. Keys died two months short of his 101st birthday. Seems like plants are crap at killing us. So going to definitely eat more. 😜
Pure science your reply. I also know a man my father preached to and visited on Sundays. He drank a 5th of booze a day and smoked two packs a day. He lived to 91. Obviously this means those things are healthy and we should start feeding kids booze and cigs the moment they come out of the womb. Seriously do they not teach this crap is schools? Is common sense gone?
Ancel Keys was a documented fraud, paid off to promote the flare claim that eating saturated fat and cholesterol is bad for heart health, this clias been proven false many times over.
Why dont you mention his first principle that plants inherently contain toxins as their main defense against being wiped out. Many plants are extremely toxic and can make you sick or even kill you when you eat a small amount. He argues, with evidence that all plants, even the ones we eat regularly, contain natural toxins that are detrimental to our health over time.
😂 However did you come up with that conclusion? And wow. Drank and smoked till 91 fabulous. He probably enjoyed his life too. And that's what it all comes down to. Not science. But enjoying one's own - one - life. 🎉 By the way what's a "5th of booze"? 🤔
I lost 40 lbs in 3 months dropping the high glycemic plants and eating mostly meat, fish, eggs and low glycemic vegs and fruit. I have maintained it 2.7 years now and my bp went from 140/90 to 110/68 for a yearly average.
@@GregariousAntithesisyes, short term gains. His comment just showed you what to expect in the next decade (“it takes time”). Bottom line is: I’ve seen dozens of centenarians on Mediterranean or wfpb, and zero carnivores over 85. But hey…. It’s your life.
When they go after people like they're going after DR Anthony Chaffee like this, you just KNOW they're running scared of their lies being exposed. But you enjoy your Kelloggs, and your plant-based 'burger'.
@@Joseph1NJ apparently he us blind to all the obese, metabolically dysfunctional people who got there eating highly processed plant foods predominantly. Animal foods when combined with high glycemic, high fat plant foods just compound the dysfunction. Where do you think most calories are coming from in a fast food meal. 70% of SAD calories come from plants not animals.
@@GordonPavilion All plants are toxic... It's merely a matter of their level of toxicity, which the same can not be said for meat, as nothing in it is inherently toxic to our human cells.
I thought I was getting some good advice about diet and nutrition on youtube until your channel popped up in the suggestion. It took more than a month of listening to many of the youtubers you fact check on your channel for it to appear - maybe that was my bubble. I am month and a half in low carb diet, fasting around 30hours once a week, lost 13kg - I was planning to experiment with carnivore - not any more. You should include some warning that after watching your, what I would call - popular science journalism channel, many other youtube channels look pathetic and some even like pure product pushers. Many thanks, this is what the world needs.
I was half-way down the Nina Teicholz inspired nutritional ideology funnel hole before finding Plant Chompers. As time went on, I found that the arguments and evidence presented by Chris/Plant Chompers and others like him to be more compelling than those of Teicholz and others who espouse similar "anti-establishment" claims as she does about meat, saturated fat, seed oils, etc.
I was too! I bought her book, listened to all of the carnivore people and was so impressed by the stories by commenters who had such miraculous healing from their carnivore diets. I went on the carnivore diet, and also did a very strict keto diet and felt **terrible** then I found Plant Chompers, Simon Hill, Gil Carvalho and the Physionic channel and got my senses back! WFPB now, and my energy (61 years old) and a lot of health markers have moved all up for the better! I love Chris' scientific, careful approach! Totally changed my mind.
I have carefully watched every Chris video. They are well-made and dense with info , but I'm still carnivore. His problem is that he worships authority. He thinks a science degree confers god-like powers. But researchers, like influencers, are just humans, fallible and subject to political agendas. Gil Carvallo? Simon Hill? They are not credible people to me. I watch all their stuff and am not persuaded.
Aside from this (Plant Chompers) channel, here are some other sources I've found helpful, should you be interested: www.youtube.com/@TheProofWithSimonHill www.youtube.com/@NutritionMadeSimple www.youtube.com/@NourishedByScience www.youtube.com/@PrimitiveNutrition Sigma Nutrition (search the web) I do not follow a vegan or vegetarian diet, but I also don't follow a ketogenic, carnivore, or other low-carb diet. The information from Chris (Plant Chompers) and the above sources have helped me quite a lot to clear up some of the seemingly-conflicting opinions on some topics.
What our ancient ancestors ate only tells us how to live long enough to pass on our genes. Humans today have a much wider selection of food choices than our hunter-gatherering predecessors. Today, we tend to live a lot longer than our ancient ancestors did. Populations today who eat mostly animals tend to have a very short lifespan compared to their fellow countrymen.
@someguy2135 so true that. Had a friend who worked in an inuit village on an island in AK. The oldest person was on deaths door at 70. They die from strokes. They exist almost entirely on meat and the only green is plucked from tundra and preserved in seal blubber. And some carnivore channels who talk a big story have zero idea of or are in denial of their actual plight.
@@janefreeman995- Inuit live in a very harsh climate. That takes its toll as well. Look into Macao, Hong Kong and other countries that have the highest meat ratios per year (Spoiler alert: they have the longest life expectancies).
@@evad8262 Admittedly just a quick google search, but that says average life expectancy in Macao is 85. Not bad, but studies have repeatedly shown that the so-called 'blue zones' have the highest life average expectancy and the largest numbers of centenarians. The diets there were mostly plant-based and, in terms of animal protein, often included more fish than meat. But the key seems to have been a lot of fruit and veg, especially brassicas, and beans.
@@JohnMoseley - I think it is simple. We are made of protein. As for energy we can use either fat (ketones) or carbs (glucose). As long as the body gets all the nutrition it needs, it will stay healthy. Like said in the video: in cold climate more fat will be used. In hot climate more carbs will be used. Look how many ex-vegans/vegetarians are bow healing on carnivore. How many do you find transitioning the other way? (from carnivore/keto to vegan?) It is not about ideology/principles. It is about having a healthy body and mind. When you travel around asia/countryside- they eat anything to get enough protein. Fish, Eggs (many cannot afford meat), insects, rats, cats, gekos, any small animal, bird. It is instinkt. They have protein hunger and try to meet it. Look into Hadza - they have a high diversity considering foo. More than 600 different food sources per year. Out of those are >500 animals (different birds etc.). So when you read about high diversity, look further what they mean by it.
ancestors lived a long time, but not only the ones from the times before we went into the savanna and hostile environments. in modern times we only live longer with artificial intervention like drugs, surgeries and so on. if you want to compare you have to do it on equal basis.
Amazing video! I am always waiting for your new upload because i know how much time and effort you put to do these and the high quality resulted from all that work; the long wait always worth it. Since i discovered your channel i binge watched all your episodes and i am impressive in spite all the bad comments you receive you keep a good spirit and the excellence in your videos. I am humbled and impressed you took my recommendation about Dan Ariely book, as you said in many of your videos "my heroes are great scientist" i have the same kind of heroes but with some communicators added so when i heard you named Dan´s book i felt like if one of my heroes made a blink on me lol. Thank you for your work, it's truly inspiring. Hugs and blessings from Argentina
I love your videos! Please keep them coming! I always share your content with friends and colleagues interested in healthy eating. It would be fantastic if you could do an episode with your wife where you both cook some of your family's favorite recipes. Thank you!
Good point about people with all diet types being deficient in some nutrients. I knew a lady who ate meat consistently and her doctor told her she was too low in Vitamin D. The deficiences happen in all of us, potentially.
Wonderful video. I had to stop it so many times to jot down the references of the books you mention. And the final straw about Chaffee's resume was pure genius. I watched his entire debate with Nagra, and he was really a sorry sight. Keep up the good work!
@@biodieseler1 More than just "bits" of advice, but his whole approach. He's a gastroenterologist who helps people determine which foods may be troubling them, and how to slowly increase the foods they're able to consume, for optimum health. His books "Fiber Fueled" and "The Fiber Fueled Cookbook" both contain strategies as well as recipes, and detailed (but not difficult) information about what may be causing various types of gastrointestinal distress. Chapter 5 of the cookbook ("Hope for Histamine Intolerance") alone is worth the price of the book.
Considering that Chaffee has a bachelor degree in Medicine, Surgery and Obstetrics, it seems you "the rest of the story" is BS. Look it up yourself instead of what this idiot is telling you. National University of Ireland, Ireland, 2013. His registration number is MED0002263360.
All he has given us is the so called "rest of the story"! He has only mentioned is passing that some people have allergies to meat and seafood and hardly mentioned allergies to plants. In fact 99.9% of the video is to do about anything other than the title of the video.
Another fantastic video. One of my heros is Dr. John McDougall and as I was watching the video I could hear him saying, “people love to hear good news about their bad habits.” I would add that when listening to this good news they could not care less about the credentials of that news source. I’m reminded about the 1st time I read the China Study. It was laying around at a friend’s house. I told her I was surprised she read the book and was still eating steaks. She said it has been debunked by reputable scientists and Dr Campbell cherry picked the data. I was questioning my whole diet until I actually read the “reputable” “science”. Needless to say my faith in actual science was restored, but to this day she thinks I’m a lunatic. I wear that moniker with honor.
Dr. McDougall told people good news about their bad habits that they did not have to do much exercise and just to eat a mostly 90% starch based diet of potatoes, rice and corn, 3 foods that are not even listed in the Jewish or Christian bible for humans to eat. So McDougall has a higher rank and status than the bible?
@@Jeffs60 potatoes and sweetcorn originally came from the Americas and rice from the Far East. Naturally they were unknown to the Middle Eastern 'lying pen of the scribes' who, thousands of years ago, wrote the various books that make up the bible.
For 98% of this video, I was under the impression that Chaffee was an MD. I was therefore mystified how he could so cooly make such outrageous claims. Losing 23 lbs while quintupling caloric intake, for example, is clearly impossible, But when the closing moments of your talk revealed that he was not an MD, but an imposter, everything fell into place. What's shocking (but not surprising) is the extent to which media are giving this sociopath such a bully pulpit. Keeping abreast of the truth about nutrition and health in this country is akin to swimming upstream through a river of shit. I'm grateful you and people like you are doing it. I couldn't. Thank you.
Watch all the way through, he only reported what Chafagee claim his qualifications are, at the end is his realty, 4 weeks at one college. Do keep up boys.
'We shouldn't be going on studies, we should be going on first principles...' probably isn't but feels like the most unscientific thing I've ever heard.
It's not, that how you understand the appropriate domain and scope of any given scientific work. He is correct. If the studies fundamentally lack what's needed then we dismiss them on that basis. Just because a 'scientist' did something doesn't mean it's useful, relevant or right.
@@isma3il2005 The point is, how do you establish 'first principles'? He's got his own idea of what those are, but he needs a strong evidentiary basis if he hopes to establish commonality on that. But worse, having said we shouldn't 'be looking at studies, as the video goes on to show, he relies on evidence from studies himself to make his argument, some of which he misrepresents to try to prove the exact opposite of what it shows.
@@JohnMoseley That depends a lot on the particular point that is being made. For example, if someone accepts the validity of the majority of studies available, its on them to reconcile studies that seem to contradict their hypothesis, but the opponent of such a position doesn't have to accept or dismiss the studies to demand that the other person be consistent in their beliefs. So he might not believe the studies, but those who do believe them HAVE to make their position internally consistent.
@@isma3il2005 Just being 'consistent in beliefs' is nothing if the beliefs aren't backed up by strong evidence, but anyway, as I say, he's not consistent in his belief that we should ignore studies. Of course the studies should be scrutinised, but he's not even doing that. In fact, he's not even reading all the ones he cites properly.
Since I posted this, I've learned that the economist, Mises, argued for deduction from first principles. So the idea sort of has more academic credentials than I knew, except that economics is not, in the sense of being able to confer certainty even in limited ways, a science, and anyway, Mises' thought was what led to neo-liberalism, which has had very harmful effects and, in parallel with the carnivore diet arguments, has been driven business interests that have skated over the fallacies.
@@eugenetswong There is nothing inherently wrong with bias if you are biased towards the truth. And while you can know a lot and not be wise, it’s far more likely to be unwise if you know little.
@@eugenetswong No there isn't. But that does not mean by any stretch of the imagination that less knowledge is superior to more. knowledge. Never forget that **none < less < more < all**
@@BartBVanBockstaele People aren't computers. They can get information overload, and they can easily think that they know all there is for their current decision. Being a doctor or lawyer in a difficult situation will give you the most information, but it doesn't improve your ability to make decisions. You need somebody, who is not involved, and thus can make clearer decisions.
Chris, Thanks for highlighting B12 importance. Having B12 deficiency undetected for years, I attributed the symptoms of greater fatigue, degrading vision, slower recall, irritability as natural aging. And some of it was aging. Regardless of diet, full blood tests and good medical advice can change the quality of a person's life. Your tireless work and dedication is amazing!
Plants are both food and medicine: "A full 40 percent of the drugs behind the pharmacist's counter in the Western world are derived from plants that people have used for centuries, including the top 20 best selling prescription drugs in the United States today." USDA Forest Service.
Just to add to my latest comment lost in the wilderness of comment section: I love your content. It is to the point and backed up with evidence. Little edits you have are making it more relaxed, like your wife interjecting with her scream for help :D. Amazing editing. However, there is something about the way you deliver the story that draws me in. It is like a river flowing. Wish I had professors like you; I would have been able to actually listen to them without my mind wondering into a great vastness of space. Thank you for doing this.
When our friends come over and see that stack of Women's World magazines that Chris bought, I wonder what they must think about where we get our info! 🙃
Thank you so much for making these videos based on science and fact! Your videos helped me transition from a meat-heavy keto diet to a mostly whole food plant based diet. 2 years keto: cholesterol 368, A1c 5.8, BP 136/76 3 months plant based: cholesterol 138, A1c 5.2, BP 102/57 I’m also starting to enjoy running which I avoided before because I hated it so much. Plants for the win! Seems like meat is trying to kill us, not plants.
Interesting about red meat allergy. That might be why I don’t feel well on it, and I avoid most dairy as well. Red meat feels heavy and sluggish. Beans and fish feel like eating nothing at all :) full, but not sluggish just clear.
@@isma3il2005pretty sure that saturated fat gives a relatively strong effect of reducing immediate insulin sensitivity as well, which may not help with that. That might be incorrect though.
Thanks so much for keeping me thinking, causing me to re-evaluate how I talk about diet with those who don't agree with me. Even better is the constant surprise that the best advice comes back to the blue zone ways of living - and how even though I know that, I push back on some of it without really being aware of it. Great to watch this and remember to make better choices, even when I think I understand. Appreciate all your hard work posting.
Great vid as always! I did a bit of sleuthing about Chaffee's background too and found this: he claimed to be a practicing physician here in Australia (he commented this on Instagram) - supposedly practises at The Rensburg Medical Clinic in WA when I googled him and he came up on low carb down under. However he is not listed anywhere on the clinic's website, nor can you book any appointments with him: see the rensburg medical clinic website. So it seems to be another lie by him!
My wife has a rare condition called gstroparisis, secondary to muscular dystrophy. I am absolutely convinced it is NOT, you are what eat, ITS you are what you can absorb. Even if you can get the proteins broke down properly, you still have to get them into the bowel, and as you age your gut mobility will decline like alll your other muscles. Everyones different. A Childs needs and elderly persons needs are different, i was a big meat eater in my youth then, it was more balanced, now its softer and more veggie, less meat. Yes i agree in the importance of cooking in human development, but again there is a difference? meat requires waiting and cooking is basically reheating, fish is more so getting the gremlins out to get at the iodine ect. Idoine is clearly the main factor in IQ, so populations near the sea would develop quicker due to better intelligence levels. Check the iodine levels in cooked cod.and seaweed.
The B12 thing is part of what pushed me *towards* plant-based eating. At a physical a few years ago when I was still eating meat daily, I came back B12 deficient. I began a b-vitamin supplement as a daily meat eater. So I thought, if I’m going to be supplementing B12, why not go more plant-based? B12 numbers have been within normal limits ever since and my meat consumption is way reduced.
@@amrass08 Vitamin B12 is only in meat if you need to take a supplement you obviously have an absorption problem. But what were your symptoms eating meat. And are you eating other things that cause that problem?
So right… celiac, SIBO, other gastrointestinal issues, lupus, pernicious anemia, etc. Drinking too much water can do this as well. Too much caffeine can deplete all b vitamins…. They are water soluble.
@@Damcarnivore It's also in supplements and some plant-based foods (look it up!). But supplements are cheap, easy to take and minimize the risk of a deficiency. Depending on where you get your meat there's a good chance you're eating animals that have got their b12 through supplements too.
@@jamesfagan136 come on even vegan sites admit you don’t get b12 from plants that’s why 100 veganism didn’t exist until after 1947 when it was first used
Chris, I believe this is one of your most important episodes yet because it teaches or reminds us how to evaluate information. And in the end, that will help all of us make better decisions about claims, not only in food choices, but in most areas of debate, including vaccinations, various public policies and much more. The credibility evaluation of the information source at the end, was a part of that. Well done!
Keep up the good work Chris. My wife and I enjoy your videos immensely. Your skill at forensically debunking carnivore diet advocates is incredible plus you do it in such an utterly lovely and polite way, keeping the debate centred on fact and not sensationalism. Much love to you from Sussex, UK.
What a wonderful video! This was better than I expected. Not just the straight content but the presentation style, quips, short sidetracks, and assorted visuals. Big thumbs up, and after being plant-based for about 15 years I still found things to learn here, particularly your points that a life-long bad diet can leave a pancreas or a microbiome permanently damaged to the point that a subsequent healthy plant-based diet cannot nourish the human body! That’s a red flag for someone like me who tells everyone “eat plant-based!” But I was also surprised that one argument I thought of against Chaffee’s claims was not included in your video. Let me start by saying that, even as a long-term plant-based eater, I have no problem with Chaffee’s claims as you stated them in this video. But my point is, a diet that enabled humans to live long enough to reproduce and perpetuate humanity is not necessarily a diet that enables humans to be as healthy and as long-lived as possible! Those are different objectives and not necessarily contradictory. Okay, our ancestors ate meat. So what? What do studies show today about the best diet today to remain healthy and active to a ripe old age (100+)? There is really no contradiction between eating plants for a long life today and eating meat to survive long enough to raise the next generation a million years ago. Anyway, great job on a thought-provoking video! 👍
Wow, thanks! I worked extra hard on this one because I just didn't feel like I could understand many of the comments on my channel so I struggled hard to learn more.
Love your work, Chris and appreciate your extensive research and validation of underlying sources! I make a concerted effort to view your content within hours of upload.
Thanks for doing this Chris, such an important video to do. I was feeling like one of your videos was going to pop up, and here it is; it always makes my day when one of your videos comes up....I'll comment again when I finish watching this later
I would love to see a video on the making of these videos, Im always impatient for the next one, while at the same time I always have to remind myself that it has to be painstakingly time consuming and a lot of work to do them, I mean just the sheere amount of books we get presented with it's mindblowing, not to mention the depth of the arguments 🤯
@ivantasev7678 Thank you. 🙏 It's not the path to RU-vid stardom but I feel like RU-vid doesn't need more content at this point, it needs better content. Obviously RU-vid and viewers disagree. 😅
If Chris would made an honest sounding "I was wrong all the time, how could I miss that?!" video, and start promoting a diet of meat, dairy and insects (or maybe take the eating actual brains made me smart angle? haven't heard that one in a while, time for a rehash!), he could be a 2 million followers by the end of the month.
@@PlantChompers So true Chris. The medical info people are spewing on YT is outrageous and getting worse..."Eat this fruit to cleanse your...pancreas, ... liver,...kidney, whatever in 3 days...blah blah blah... and on and on it goes...and people watch and believe them. Pretty sad stuff being put out there.
Definitely can identify with the B12 issue. Several years ago before going plant based I became so B12 deficient I had to get injections, then supplements. Became anemic too. Now as a plant eater I continue to take my
I didn't know about seaberry. I asked Google's AI (Gemini) and got this answer. Is it correct? Seaberry (also known as sea buckthorn) does contain a form of vitamin B12, but it is not the active form that humans can use. There have been studies indicating the presence of vitamin B12 in sea buckthorn, with some even suggesting it could be a significant source. However, the form of B12 found in sea buckthorn is not the active form (cyanocobalamin) that humans need. Instead, it is an inactive analogue that does not have the same vitamin activity. Whether or not sea buckthorn can contribute to vitamin B12 intake in humans isstill unclear and needs further research. If you are concerned about your vitamin B12 levels, it's important to consult a doctor or registered dietitian for advice and recommendations.
@@PlantChompersDid Gemini provide links to (human generated) studies? Some time ago I asked a trusted AI what are good plant sources of vitamin D. In the list were sunflower seeds. I might have "thought" that the sun in sunflower is literal and so provides vitamin D idk, but I would be as careful with AI as Chaffee as a source of reliable information.
Well, carnivore here. For 20 months. It has changed my life (saved it). Type 2 diabetes gone, leaky kidneys, fatty liver, obesity, arthritic inflammation, food addiction…all gone!… i haven’t eaten any plants since the start. No fibre, no constipation, no pain.I feel the best I have for 20 years! I’m 67yr old woman….. Dr Chaffee’s video was the first I saw on this way of eating and I gave it 90 days before I was going to make my decision to continue but after 4 days I knew I wouldn’t go back to my old way of eating (that’s when I stopped taking diabetes medication) I only take 2 of the prescription drugs of the 8 I used to take…Yes, humans can eat plants. It saves us during tough hunting times(meat). I also changed our doberman to meat only and reversed her front elbow dysplasia pain…. So, in MHO, carnivore is the best thing I have ever done for myself…. 😊 my health is all the proof I need which diet is better…. As a Ps… that title “plants are trying to kill you” was what peaked my interest to have a look.
In Europe and in y country it is a felony to pretend you are a medical doctor when you are not. A neuro surgeon here is somebody who studied at a university for at least 14 years. Not 4 weeks.
@@flyshacker this channel posted his cv towards the end of the video, it clearly states he studied a graduate medical degree course that took 4 years from 2009 to 2013 at the Royal college of surgeons in Ireland. Do Irish colleges not count ?
@@biodieseler1 lol what does that mean? It's certainty not out of the realm of possibility and it's clear he uses his physique to pretend that eating all meat is the key to looking that way.
@@hpcam1 He doesn't need to. Even if the carnivore diet is lacking in things like folate (but not the other nonsense that is mentioned here), it is exceptional at bringing testosterone levels back to youthful levels.
Oh. Yeah. Let’s say it again: “the nuclear winter of the public trust is a gold rush.” You say you dislike “debunking” and I think I know why you’re saying it… but you’re good at it and it’s needful, especially from folks who can do it with humor, reason, and open-mindedness. Your lack of vitriol and egomania are an incredibly strong currency. Social media algorithms don’t reward integrity. But history does.
Yep. He got me out of the rabbit hole.. I'm not vegan, but cut down to mostly chicken and fish when I do have meat as I'm putting on muscle with exercise and it helps me get there, but I also learned here about heme iron, saturated fat, and also those being much better for the environment than cows or pigs or other red meat. I get about half my protein from plants and get about 140g/day. Takes about 3000kcal a day to maintain weight at my activity level.
Great video! I think it's worth mentioning that there are plant sources of B12 but they're just not practical. Nori is the best candidate as 30g of it cover your daily requirements, but that's a lot of nori. One study looked at a few kids in Japan who grew up on a vegan diet unsupplemented and had no deficiencies.
Don't forget the data which is least in doubt: your own experience. Try various diets for a month or two and observe how you feel. That's just what people have been doing: not ignoring the actual data of their own experience. How they feel mentally and physically and whether they see their diabetes, auto-immune diseases ailments of various kinds disappear. That's exactly why this diet has been taking of and gaining steam. Exactly because people do not ignore the actual data. I do think first principles thinking is very important and a good way to avoid group-think and false beliefs generally. One of the ways Chaffee applies it is by relying on human evolution. He takes it as a truism or axiom that the diet on which a species evolved is the optimal diet for it because the species literally adapted / optimized over millions of years to be able to thrive on that particular diet. Then it comes down to studying paleo-anthropology, archaeology and other fields which shed light on what humans and pre-human ancestors have been eating the last couple millions of years. Comparative anatomy can provide corroborating evidence as well and maybe human bio-chemistry and other fields too.
@peter5.056 If you want to go back to first principles what about thermodynamics. Like you cannot thermodynamically loose weight and increase calories.
@@sadface7457 Metabolic rate is not a Constant of the Universe. You're assuming that in your claim, aren't you? It is indeed biologically possible and also thermodynamically possible in that context to increase calories and lose weight. Humans aren't closed systems. Similarly it is biologically possible and thermodynamically possible in that context to reduce calory intake and gain weight. I'd suggest not ignoring endocrinology and bio-chemistry in general when making statements like you did here. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing...
Chris, thank you for doing what you're doing! Your dedication to science and our best estimation of the truth is something I try and will keep trying to emulate. I can only imagine how tiring it must be for you to keep at it, especially with all the vitriol that the various camps spew at one another (and at you). If it means anything, you have saved me from the funnel of disbelief. A few years ago, I was very much blindly following certain schools of thought regarding the "superiority" of the carnivore and ketogenic diets over the vegan and Mediterranean diets. Fortunately, the RU-vid algorithm somehow recommended me one of your videos, and I began my slow climb out of the funnel. It was certainly a frustrating and difficult climb, but you made it easier by presenting the evidence, arguments, and counter-arguments with such poise and professionalism. From the opposite side of the globe and from the bottom of my heart, I thank you. I almost never leave comments on RU-vid videos, but I think this is but a simple way I can return the favour - hopefully the RU-vid algorithm will work its magic for others as it did for me!
Hi Chris. As your friend, I have a sincere question: you mention you thought Anthony’s social media “ran circles around you” and that he’d likely be unwilling to debate. Does that mean you’d be willing to debate him, provided a neutral host? You’re well aware I disagree with each on you on certain matters, and don’t mean this as a set-up on any sort… but I am interested in what would transpire if you two sat down. If I could get Anthony to accept, would you be game. Maybe our mutual mild-mannered friend Dave could host?
Free form is fine. I'm cool with Dave or you. I'm a little bit crushed trying to get TEDx Boston Longevity organized for October 1st. I interview Ginger Hislop, who just got her master's degree from Stanford at 105, topic never stop learning, next week in Yakima, Washington, and I leave for Africa with fam for 3 weeks July 24th. But free second half of August, first half September.
@@PlantChompersAnother overseas family holiday, Chris? What happened to your earth science background and climate change concern for our planet and all its inhabitants? Hypocrisy?
I used to be a plant chomper, for 14-15 years. I had to stop as it ruined my health physical and mental. I had so many sports injuries that wouldn't heal and my mental health suffered major depression, constantly tired and lethargic. After 14-15 years I decided enough was enough and to start eating meat and fish again, but only white meat chicken and occasionally very red meat. I then started eating eggs which was a game changer. My health massively improved physical injuries healed but I still got them from time to time. I do a lot of sports - running and cycling. I bumped along for about 10 years like this. Then about 4-5 years ago I discovered Keto and started looking into what it entailed as I had still been eating carbs and sugar, bread, pasta, pizza, potatoes, etc up until this point. I had skin issues for many years that just would not heal. They were very itchy and unsightly and I was very conscious of them. They would leave scarring when they finally healed after many months and other lesions would pop up. Doctors didn't have a clue what they were. They were useless frankly. I had biopsies which didn't shed any light with the tests they ran on my excised skin. A waste of time. I knew my skin issues were diet related as the final biopsy I was already Keto and the dermatologist insisted I start eating a lot of wheat again which I was reluctant to do to see if my skin condition got worse and it did which really depressed me. Intermittent fasting 24-48 hours or the 5:2 diet and moving to OMAD was a game changer at the same time as Keto was a game changer. My skin started to clear up with in one month it was largely healed. I have been doing Keto for the last 4.5 - 5 years. Wheat and gluten definitely causes my skin to flare up as I have done several elimination and addition since doing Keto and it's wheat foods. So no bread pasta pasta cookies all that UPF shit any more and also veggie/vegan food which I had been eating years previously which is full of wheat, gluten and other nasty supplements and additives. Then about 2-3 months ago after having heard of the carnivore diet about one year ago and dismissing it, I decided to give it a go. So far I feel so bloody good. I have not been over weight for years but still I am now lean and strong with endless stamina like I am 22 years old again. I am pushing 60. I still only eat OMAD and occasionally IF although not as frequently as when I started Keto around 5 years ago. I've noticed in the last couple of months eating carnivore my muscle mass has increased and although I have done regular calisthenics and lifting weights since starting Keto around 5 years ago, eating carnivore now has only has made me a lot stronger and brought more muscle bulk which is so important as you age as sarcopenia is such a problem. I guess this is because of the nutrient dense nature of meat, of beef and lamb that plants simply cannot match. In the last couple of months I have occasionally continued to eat broccoli because I like the taste and also tomatoes but that is about it on the veggie front. Mostly I eat mainly beef, lamb or pork - steaks, ground, roast or stewed. Occasionally chicken. And eggs 2-3 eggs each day, sardines and mackerel. All the meat I eat is the best quality grass fed finished etc and oily fish wild caught. And I feel absolutely bloody fantastic. I am a different person, a healthy fit, strong, clear thinking person rather than a constantly knackered tired, fatigued person with injuries and brain fog with depression that I used to be when veggie all those years ago in my 30s and 40s when I fell for all that BS demonising meat and eggs as dangerous for long term health. So glad I saw the light. Whilst I don't agree with Chaffees comments that plants are literally trying to kill you, I don't think they are doing you any good. Mind you the glyphosphate sprayed on them might and all the other seriously harmfully fungicides and pesticides might be. The reason why the veggie/vegan diet is pushed so hard is because the huge processed food manufacturers can still make huge profits from making and selling processed garbage UPF to people who falser think meat is bad for your health and will cause all sorts of health conditions from heart attacks to cancer. The governments are the source of this, complicit with most medics, big pharma and the processed food industry. It's BS. The biggest con trick in history. The truth is as Dr Chaffee says meat, red meat is such a rich dense nutrient and protein source which you cannot argue with. Plants are such a low grade source of nutrients and compared to meat and they taste crap. Seriously they taste crap compared to a good beef steak or bacon. They are heaven absolutely heaven to eat compared to plants. If you want to get diabetes then continue to eat plants, wheat and all the UPF made from it. It's your premature funeral. Starch, sugar and carbs are quite literally killers. Millions across of the developed world are now obese and have T2 diabetes not to mention all the other very serious health conditions diabetes brings. It's a scandal between governments, the food manufacturers, most doctors and big pharma as they all have vested interests in that people being ill and remaining ill their whole lives is very profitable. Even government dietary advice from the US AHA and UK NHS is to eat a diet low in fat, plant based, whole grains, starch carb fruits and veg based, to avoid meat. The national diabetes associations also even give out this shit. It is so wrong it is criminal. When you understand the damage a starchy carb and sugar based diet can do to your body causing insulin resistance and T2 diabetes then you can cut them out and reverse the damage it causes. Record levels of T2 diabetes and now dementia T3 diabetes. Reverse this by eating Keto or carnivore diets. if you value your health eating meat, fish and eggs is a necessity. There are NO essential carbs. None.
Will I assume you have a leaky gut based on your gluten sensitivity and skin flare ups. Do you know cow and other animal proteins seep thru your permeable gut & into your bloodstream? Do u really want to get other autoimmune diseases bc your body has to create antibodies to fight dead animal proteins? Meat is so highly acidic and carcinogenic. And by reading your story, you ate a bunch of crap! Eating pizza & sugar then blaming PLANTS 😂 for your health is completely wrong. U may feel better bc your not eating the same junk, you've eliminated bad food, DOESNT MEAN MEAT is the one to praise.
In reference to the clip at 26:13: I think that guy is wrong at least by my anecdotal experience. My kid did prefer broccoli to cake. At 1 and at 2 when given cake at birthday anniversary gathering at grandparents' place, the baby chose the plate of lightly cooked broccoli over the cake. Sadly it is not that way now. I truly believe it is due to exposure to a society full of eating crap. Kid is surrounded by it. They buy the crap with their own money.
I once pointed out that Chaffee is not registered to practice medicine stateside, despite claiming to be an American medical doctor on his RU-vid bio. He is not in the NPI database. It does seem that someone fitting his description is registered to practice in Australia, MED0002263360, which might technically make him an American who is technically a medical doctor. He obtained his degree years before the first registration date of his medical practitioner license in Australia, and he claims to be a neurosurgical registrar. Apparently in Australia this is something like a residency stateside, though this title runs the gamut from people who haven't been accepted into a training program yet to people who are about to be certified as specialists in their field. But like you, I can find no evidence of his actually practicing medicine at this time at the one hospital that the internet claims he is associated with, St. Vincent's in Australia. It's sketchy where it's not outright misleading.
He received his degree/s in 2013. He has a Bachelor of Medicine, Bachelor of Surgery and Bachelor of Obstetrics, National University of Ireland, Ireland, 2013. His registration number is MED0002263360 like you said. Why is this "sketchy"? Oh, yeah, plant eater mentality: meat eaters are liars.
@@Moralatheist101 He has a bachelors degree not a doctorate yet he styles himself an MD (when he isn't). The only person using the word "liars" is you. Admittedly, people like Teicholz and Chaffee do seem to have a relaxed approach to factual accuracy.
Chris one of my friends got a heart attack eating a carnivore diet and he still believes that his diet is not a problem,main stream media is trying to get u the doctors are suggesting a Mediterranean diet but he still wont listen, idk what to do now
Support and Love trump food every time. Look up Roseto Effect and "Hearts knit Together" about bunny rabbit petting and heart disease. Love, appropriate touch, and community support are epigenetic (above the physical gene expression) and regardless the method of gathering energy resources (calories, hydration, sunlight, sleep). It is not what goes into the mouth but out of it that defiles you.❤
That was my dad and sister and now many friends, who died of heart attacks - including a close one last week. 😔 In a moment of discouragement, I told Simon Hill I think the food companies won and we lost. But I just focus on the ones who we can love from part way down the funnel of misbelief to restoring their health. We all know some people who do.
I would suggest searching "how to deprogram a conspiracy theorist " on the internet. This appears to be your friends problem, however check if it comes from food intolerances or allergies causing them to become paranoid.
@PlantChompers saying "I think the food companies have won" , is just as bad as the conspiracy theories you are trying to debunk. Food companies literally sell whatever people want to buy, take breakfast cereals you can choose one that's 97% whole grain and dried fruit with maybe 3% sugar or you can choose one that is 30% sugar and most of the rest of ingredients is refined carbohydrates. These options are available in any Western style supermarket. The food companies and supermarkets couldn't care less what you choose , there's no conspiracy they just want you to part with your money on one of their product options.
While it does not make the meat only eaters or the plant only eaters happy, it is obvious to any paleontologist that we are omnivores because of our dentition. Carnivores have cutting teeth, most or all cut directly against other teeth like scissors, and the jaw move straight up and down. Aquatic carnivores are a little different because they use the resistance to motion in the water to their advantage. Still, there is usually a lot of cutting or just swallowing involved. Herbivores generally do a lot of grinding, and there is sideways jaw motion to facilitate this grinding. They also often have thick, strong tongues. Most land carnivores have thin, flat tongues used mostly for pulling. The thick, stronger tongues are for moving food around, lining it up for the molars to grind and crush. Petty clear we lie midway between these extremes.
@@dogberry20 Do me a favor and please explain why a camel which is a herbivore can go 2 months without eating yet almost all other herbivores have to eat all day long. Please explain why a spider is a carnivore but has no teeth. Please explain why a butterfly is a herbivore and lives 2 weeks yet a Greenland Shark is a carnivore and can live 500 years, and then explain why a human has stomach pH of 1.5 like a scavenger but a rabbit which is a herbivore also has a stomach pH of about 1.5.
@@dogberry20 The point is that you are not a Paleontologist because all you are concerned about is dentition so I added other facts and organ systems so you can learn.
@@dogberry20 I don't make points I just state the facts. Yes a human is an omnivore and if that is not correct then you can throw out all the books in every library that say a human is an omnivore and put your own books in every library.
@@dogberry20 I don't know that you are trying to argue. Entirely consistent with what I said, camels and goats are configured to eat more plants than us. And they use a lot of sideways jaw movement to grind, and while goats have a thinner tongue than is typical, camels have large muscular tongues. I have had paleontology (aka Historical Geology and several other geology courses), physical anthropology (sadly, the instructor was abysmal), zoology, marine mammal biology, and other biology and anatomy classes. I attended college for 18 years, much of that time taking the unit load maximum allowed. The last few years I attended, they lifted all restrictions, and I took a triple load. I took anything that interested me. Our teeth are smaller and have thinner enamel than other hominids, but otherwise are very similar. If you are trying to say our teeth are more like carnivores...they are nothing like those. Those are very sharp and have a tall edge like an axe. Neither are our teeth like herbivores. Herbivore teeth don't have the walls our molars have, so the teeth can move sideways completely across the surface. We can move our jaws side to side to some extent. Carnivores can't do this. We do it, but more subtly. Herbivores on the other hand do most of their chewing side to side. Superficially, gorilla dentition does not look that different from human. But it is. Their jaw is designed to take a roughly circular path with a lot of sideways grinding. You can watch videos of them chewing. There is far more side to side motion, especially if they are eating tougher food. That sideways motion will be reflected in the shape of the teeth. No. It is unambiguous. We are omnivores. If you want to do something unnatural, that is just fine. But it is what it is. If you were beamed to this planet 20,000 years ago, there is unlikely to be somewhere you could live where you would not have severe nutritional deficiencies or be in very poor health living exclusively as a vegan or entirely animal eater. Inuit and such have genetic adaptations you don't have.
@@dogberry20 You don't think dentition says anything? Good luck finding a paleontologist who agrees with you. I guess it is pure chance that herbivores chew side to side. So you think paleontologists wait to find stomach contents of dinosaurs to determine whether they were carnivores, herbivores or omnivores? No. They are all about skulls and mandibles. That tells them all sorts of things, most relevantly what they ate. And not just if it was plant or animal, but the skull and mandible shows how large the muscles were. If it was a herbivore, larger muscles means tougher food. If carnivore, stronger muscles means they can take down larger animals, defend kills, take other animal's kills, or get at the marrow in the bones. They can narrow that down as they find fossilized kills where the teeth match. Sure, there is some guesswork. They often assume if land animals appear to have larger brains that they are pack hunters, or have other group skills. That mostly matches up with extant animals, but in some earlier time, maybe there were exceptions. Octopus have a lot of brains, literally (9 brains), but they are loners. And we also know that birds have very efficient brains. They can do a lot with very small brains. And it is assumed dinosaurs are basically big birds. So maybe some small brained dinosaurs were quite bright, and could pack hunt just fine.
Even replacing animal protein with less than ideal plant protein like bread can improve ageing markers? I would still recommend staying away from UPF as much as we can though
I’m not a vegan, but I love nutritional science. That being said, I watched that debate when it came out and the vegan SMOKED Anthony in that debate lol
Genuinely your videos are incredible, I'm quite young and i used to be far more aggressive towards others when it came to misinformation regarding any science illiteracy. However, after watching your (and Gil's) effective communication of nutrition without trying to create polarization, I've forever been far more patient when explaining ideas to people that they don't understand. For that I thank you, I watch every one of your videos and for the time being I will continue!
Our ancestors weren’t following herds of broccoli. They weren’t drawing pictures of kale on the cave walls. We’ve been eating fatty meats as long as we have been breathing air and drinking water. It’s our natural go to food.
@@PlantChompers Minoans were around about 5,000 years ago. Humans have been following elk and bison herds for hundreds of thousands of years. Hence the cave paintings that pay homage to the beasts. We didn’t follow cauliflower patches around.
Keep up the great work! I love how you research and audit all these claims while citing everything and featuring an array of diiferent experts in their fields who are fully qualified and actually contribute to scientific research and progress.
As always, a stellar video. You are my go to guy, along with Simon Hill, to clarify the misinformation and hysterical hype that’s so prevalent on RU-vid and certain social media sites. Thank you thank you for all you do!
Keep going Chris! You're the only plant channel I watch . . . and watch and watch and watch. Also, please write a book. Your story is too important to be lost!
Thank you for this episode. I really appreciate learning about why folks believe what they believe… you have done an excellent job of exploring that over the last couple of years… it helps us to lead with compassion.
I tried every form of carnivore, no matter what I did, I felt like 😪death. Being 75 - 90 % plant-based (subject to seasonality and change) has improved my health so much. Thanks ❤👍Great info about this ongoing debate about meat purists v the rest.
@spiritwardiaries Whenever I eat meat I consequently have nightmares and horror scenarios in my dreams, with lots of death, zombies and killings. I had bad dreams all my life, but when I turned plant-based 12 years ago the horrible dreams stopped. I noticed through many experiments that when I eat meat the bad dreams and other "encounters of paranormal nature" come back. Therefore, I do not think that this is a psychological issue, but something to do with the gut and microbiome, endotoxins, hormones and bacteria etc. It also made me conclude that most dreams might be a reflection of the inner workings (microbiome, digestion, immune system, health status..) rather than mystical or archetypical etc. stuff.
Another superb presentation, Chris. It's nice to see you and Toni again. I'm very sorry for the passing of your wonderful friend, Matt Silverman. May he rest in peace.
Thank you, for another great episode... I can well imagine the stress that must occur when various nutritional tribes decide you a public enemy number 1 simply because you expect evidence to back up the claims of others. I have had alas numerous arguments with carnivores, where the response, when I ask for evidence that their diet is healthy get them respond that they have been on a Carnivore diet for X amount of time (often 5 years or less) and that they have never felt better... Guys like you Simon and Gil (And Siobhan too for that matter) do a great job of helping us understand the science behind your claims.
I think the perfect paleo diet must follow the traditional paleo methods of getting food. Meat is an unreliable food source. Hunting is a difficult thing to do without modern weapons. Like you mentioned, the further away from the equator, the less dependent on plants for calories, and the more dependent on aquatic animals, and mammals. It appears to me (from brief reading) that modern hunter-gatherers rely heavily on plants including tubers, and eggs, honey, and small game. Also, modern hunter-gatherers have a fairly short life expectancy, though I do not know how much that is influenced by diet versus other environmental conditions. But what seems clear to me is that today's practice of CAFO raised meat supplying large amounts of calories leads to many of the leading causes of poor health and mortality. I am thriving on a whole food, plant-based diet, and expect to continue on that path.
Quite the contrary, meat was overly abundant and easy to obtain. Hunting is not hard at all and ways of preserving meat for many months are ancient and not even salt is needed, even today in many areas we have an over abundance of preys. "Short life expectancy", i don´t know if all you are doing this on purpose or what, that "short life expectancy" is due to exposition to hard environment conditions, inter human violence, etc. specially during their childhood, and youth years, also pregnancy problems increment that "short life expectancy". Also that calculation is made considering childhood which always has the most elevated mortality rates; even without healthcare once they went through infancy, adolescence and young adulthood they could expect to live healthy lives up to around 70 years old. EDIT I make clear for anyone reading, if you are doing fine with classic diets, vegan, etc. dont do keto or any other hypercarnivore, many of us only do them for our health, if we could we would happily eat "normally".
@@Wen6543 There is an abundance of highly regarded studies that prove conclusively that high animal consumption leads to heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes, and all cause mortality. That's today. The longest-lived and healthiest people on the planet are in blue-zones, where meat consumption is very low. I understand mortality rates are birth-death models, and that our life expectancy increased dramatically when we conquered early childhood death. But 70 is not very old, considering the average in the world is 73, and 77 in the US, and that in blue zones it is as much as a decade longer than that. Those in blue zones are ten times more likely to live to be 100. That's now. The Inuit people in Canada live less than a decade as long as non-indigenous Canadians. My opening comment was meant to suggest that hunting using primitive tools and hunting techniques would result in greater dependence on vegetable matter for most paleo people. Modern hunter-gatherers such as the Hadza in Tanzania eat about 100 grams of fiber a day. You cannot do that without eating a lot of plants, which they do. There is a pretty good article in Scientific American I read a few years ago, that sheds some light on our paleo ancestors' diets. www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-paleo-diet-half-baked-how-hunter-gatherer-really-eat/
@@janerkenbrack3373 I´d love to argue more with you about this subject but this is Chris´s channel, i try to be not so annoying in his home. And even when i am doing an hiper carnivore diet i do believe that he and you have a lot of correct ideas regarding vegan and vegetarianism, but not as much regarding carnivore which still is a mystery specially in the long term, there is no good evidence supporting it neither opposing it. Regards.
@@janerkenbrack3373 There is a newer article (June 2024) titled To Follow the Real Early Human Diet, Eat Everything. In any case, for the greater part of our evolutionary history, our ancestors would have eaten like our great ape and primate cousins but I suppose that fact doesn't help to rationalise an obviously unhealthy diet. Of course, this whole paleo diet marketing claim is based on the appeal to nature fallacy anyway, as well as invented 'facts'.
Carnivore people I know are doing well because of the things they have stopped eating and are giving all the credit to the diet.My brother's hip pain got a lot better in the beginning but has stopped and he still thinks this diet will get rid of it totally.But now he is brain washed and its been 4 years and over $40 a day in food.Also paying for carnivore internet doctors. All my life the pretty ones get the break and he is pretty.
But the carnivore folks still saying they are healthier eating all meats. I gave up all meats 3 years ago. Each time I ate fried chicken, fried fish, processed turkey products (turkey hotdogs, sausages) my blood pressure shot thru the roof!! Stopped all animal products, started cooking everything myself, went from 360lbs to 290lbs. Created a new food list for me to follow. Currently on day 17 of a water fast to further get my weight down.
Have you tried eating not fried/processed meat? And congrats on the weight loss, but 70lbs in 3 years is nothing compared to the carnivores losing 200+ in one year. However, if you feel good keep going.
A recked microbiome is arguably the cause of IBD such as crohn's and UC. Everyone I've seen improve their IBD/ IBS symptoms with diet did best eliminating complex carbs and high fiber foods. No matter the health of the individuals gut things like starches can't be digested in the small intestine where our nutrition is absorbed. Things like insoluble fiber goes through the entire digestive tract undigested. Theres also many WFPB vegans who did not have IBD that stopped a plant based diet due to getting IBD induced by their diet. Soluble fiber(prebiotic) can be beneficial for those individuals if they can cook out the insoluble fiber and its not attached to a complex carbohydrate.
This is a great comment. Plant chompers chooses to ignore the fact that indigestible fiber is not beneficial to all people. He will say it is because you have a wrecked microbiome and that is just untrue and can’t be proven. We don’t even know for sure whether hosting bacteria in your gut is a good thing or bad thing. Food that is easily digestible is most likely what we should be eating. Read “Eat Like a Human”. Fiber is complete nonsense and unproven.
