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Dr. Eleanor Stein's ME/CFS and Fibromyalgia Recovery Story (after 27 years!) 

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Dr. Eleanor Stein, MD, from Calgary, was knocked down by ME/CFS in residency in 1989. After a rough first 8 years, careful pacing, and medication, her functionality leveled off to 50 to 60% for the next two decades, yet every day was a struggle. Hear what layers coming together unlocked her healing in 2017. TIMESTAMPS below:
Note: At age 60, she recently went on an epic adventure. Not only has she supported hundreds of patients, she has worked behind the scenes for over 20 years for ME/CFS education and to change the conversation. This is my most fascinating and educational interview to date.
Transcript: healwithliz.com/how-dr-eleano...
TIMESTAMPS:
0:01 Intro
0:50 Purpose for sharing her story
2:18 Life before getting knocked down and onset during residency
5:10 Lack of sleep, medical training, and how it's a setup for chronic illness
8:03 It doesn't excuse doctors
8:36 Dr. Eleanor Stein's health levels during her journey
9:22 Her BIGGEST symptom
10:23 Her second biggest symptom, which shifted
11:09 Lifelong chemical sensitivities and passing out became severe daily issues
11:43 Getting on a POTS drug 8 years in (Note: She had very low BP. The drug she mentions may not be right for many people. Nothing we share is medical advice.)
12:21 Later realizing she had hypermobility. How is hypermobility related to ME/CFS. Dr. Stein explains her theory.
14:02 A list of Dr. Stein's former health challenges & symptoms and her pre-illness risk factors.
14:19 Frustration and anger. Being told THIS to her face by a doctors....and then a doctor on the CDC!
17:20 What were some things she tried to heal?
18:13 How shadowing Dr. Bev Tompkins - a pioneering ME expert - in Calgary had a profound effect on her.
19:56 Trying IVs and mitochondria supplements. Did they help?
20:37 A major symptom she forgot to mention earlier.
20:54 The powder she swore by
21:38 One marker that differentiates ME from depression
22:07 How "buffalo goo" she tried in 2008 triggered MCAS (hives, skin rash, gut sensitivities)
23:50 What diet led to her big turnaround in 2017. [She will share the other layers later.]
28:41 How she occasionally lives a little with her diet, though is strict most of the time. I talk about my journey specifically regarding chocolate.
29:51 Getting diagnosed with Lyme (through regular doctor) after severe symptoms in 2004. How she changed her mindset about Lyme.
32:22 How much did she spend on treatments. (Even in Canada, all the speciality doctors & tests are out of pocket.)
33:57 Dr. Stein shares a glimpse of all the tests she got, how most came back positive showing she had all this stuff wrong. Did any lead to any effective treatment? She had THIS to say.
35:30 Realization about ME/CFS functional treatment.
36:14 Doctors don't always tell you the side effects. Why she is more cautious, though some people with this virus are helped by antivirals.
38:12 Dr. Stein shares the history of micro-clot research and ME/CFS long before Long Covid, why she is personally hesitant about blood-thinning meds, and the history of leaky gut recognition. Fascinating stuff.
40:40 The key things that helped her heal.
42:03 The few gut supplements she takes
43:14 Taking a neuroplasticity course in 2014. What life-long symptom disappeared in the first weeks.
43:48 A paradigm shift about genetics.
44:09 Reading Norman Doidge MD's book, which mentioned red light therapy.
45:21 The red light therapy study she did in her clinic, and what were the results.
47:03 Summary of things that were helpful before things clicked into place with her 2017 diet change.
47:50 How healing is unlocked when the layers come together August-September 2017. Bob Naviaux's research on mitochondria, the CDR, and the healing cycle.
49:36 What symptoms finally went away. What she can now do! (I made a list.) What her functionality levels were. What are they today?
51:34 Her EPIC adventures!
53:08 I ask Dr. Stein about the pressure of doing all this stuff for the layers of healing, particularly if being told they'll never heal by authorities is in the back of the mind.
54:37 Unconscious beliefs How futility affects biology.
55:33 How she changed her narrative about ME/CFS recovery
57:23 We talk about how run-of-the-mill CBT and graded exercise failed most people. Writing countless letters to the editor against this. Why she doesn't do this anymore. How I had the same realization.
1:00:00 Recovery stories do not negate biomedical reality.
1:02:09 Her science-based lifestyle program and neuroplaticity program.
1:13:38 How she's changing things in Canada for ME/CFS advocacy. Free talks to educate doctors.
Dr. Stein's email: espc@eleanorsteinmd.ca
Dr. Stein's website: www.eleanorsteinmd.ca/a/21475...
Free download from Dr. Stein: www.eleanorsteinmd.ca/healwit...
Independent Recovery Programs Guide by Liz and Lindsay Vine: healwithliz.com/programs-guide/

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Комментарии : 36   
@spruceysarah
@spruceysarah 6 месяцев назад
Love this interview! In addition to all of the insights Dr. Stein shared, I really appreciate what she said about predisposition not being the final word on illness. One of the many things that has surprised me so far in my recovery is that at some point I realized I wasn't getting many migraines anymore. I used to get them all the time and never tried to do anything about it because they run in my family so I thought I was just stuck with them, but it seems that the work I'm doing to recover from ME has inadvertently reduced my migraines dramatically. It's amazing what can happen when you have the tools and resources you need to take good care of your body.
@synnevashaustveit9825
@synnevashaustveit9825 4 месяца назад
I have followed Dr Steins work for a while - and done her Pathways of Improvement course, and it is great, I learned a lot. She is very knowledgable, and you feel safe - she does not recommend things that is unsafe. I was so great to hear her story. Very helpful and so inspiering! Thank you Liz 💚
@HealwithLiz
@HealwithLiz 6 месяцев назад
This was one of my most enlightening interviews. My own recovery story shares multiple similarities with hers. I also learned so much from Dr. Stein about the history of ME/CFS and ME/CFS research, and loved what she said about the healing cycle and the layers of healing. I included timestamps in the description and how to reach Dr. Stein. She is retired from medical practice, but has wonderful resources to help others heal. I hope people watching this learn stuff and are given hope. Sending lots of warm wishes this holiday season and for the new year.
@MECFSExplored
@MECFSExplored 5 месяцев назад
What a great interview! I am a big fan of Dr. Stein - who makes important points about: Leaky gut (I am so fed up of hearing Doctors dismiss this condition, that I had!) Management The need for an integrated approach. And you ask great questions Liz! Thanks to you both for the work you do to bring hope to people with these conditions.
@alexandernordic8551
@alexandernordic8551 6 месяцев назад
This gives me hope
@deion312
@deion312 6 месяцев назад
Thanks Liz!
@ceciliamac4283
@ceciliamac4283 6 месяцев назад
So good!! Thank you for sharing
@lukeluke1545
@lukeluke1545 6 месяцев назад
Great interview - always appreciate your approach to these Liz!
@princessdee01
@princessdee01 6 месяцев назад
Wonderful testimony ❤ Dr. Stein is so inspiring. She gives me hope.
@nolamayer4101
@nolamayer4101 4 месяца назад
So much excellent information here!! As it’s been about the same length of time for me too it’s great to hear that Eleanor is now living such a great life. Very impressed you stayed off chocolate so long Liz 😳😳 Find it terribly disappointing that a practitioner would charge $10, 000 to see them , they should be ashamed of themselves 😬 Excellent interview, thank you ladies 🥳
@avamihalik7531
@avamihalik7531 5 месяцев назад
Bruce Lipton the father of epigenetics, read his book The Biology of Belief and The Honeymoon Effect. And You are The Placebo bY Dr.Joe Dispensa. You will thank me! Thank you for this interview Terrific!
@me-cfs-strategiesforhealing
@me-cfs-strategiesforhealing 6 месяцев назад
On the adrenals, in addition to HPA axis issues, a 1999 study showed ME patients had adrenal glands that have shrunk by 50%. That might cause lowered output also. (Study is called 'smaller adrenal glands in chronic fatigue syndrome' Scott et al. Anyway, this is a great interview and I really appreciated hearing Stein's story. I had thought from a previous interview that she was a pure carnivore though rather than AIP.
@Truerealism747
@Truerealism747 5 месяцев назад
JFK had this but his was autoimmune he had fybromyalgia
@annebeck2208
@annebeck2208 2 месяца назад
They now have a Vitamin D3/K2 transdermal patch and with IBS, that is a game changer for people like me who live in dark latitudes. Also, I wonder about this Carnivore diet...it seems people have healed from CFS on that...and fairly quickly like 6 months or less for some, longer for others. One woman healed from MS without the veggies or fruit, just meat.
@HealwithLiz
@HealwithLiz 5 месяцев назад
The written transcript of our chat is now up on my blog here: healwithliz.com/how-dr-eleanor-stein-healed-from-me-cfs-and-fibromyalgia/
@nazishkalani3048
@nazishkalani3048 25 дней назад
Excellent interview! Does anyone have any recommendation for neuroplasticity?
@sadnagoso-yn6iz
@sadnagoso-yn6iz 6 месяцев назад
Thank you for sharing your experience and giving us hope. Where can I get the list of vegetables diet and meat please?
@HealwithLiz
@HealwithLiz 6 месяцев назад
The diet Dr. Stein was inspired by was from MS survivors - and the site is mshope.com. They have recipes on there!
@Truerealism747
@Truerealism747 5 месяцев назад
I have heds asperger's ADHD albeit all undiagnosed until 43 last year.doingbi a cortisol test
@rachaellh
@rachaellh 5 месяцев назад
What is the powder?
@prathamrballal1229
@prathamrballal1229 5 месяцев назад
Dr. Do u still deal with pots n how
@ManifestingItAll
@ManifestingItAll 6 месяцев назад
I find it interesting that Dr Stein is selling neuroplasticity courses and talks about unconscious thinking when she demonstrated so many cognitive distortions in this talk. Even her concern about jinxing her recovery by talking positively about it shows a lack of understanding of the power of the mind body connection. Some self awareness would go a long way towards healing the remaining issues.
@HealwithLiz
@HealwithLiz 6 месяцев назад
I think this talk shows her cognitive flexibility, as someone from a medical and science-based background. She has both a neuroplasticity course and a general recovery / lifestyle course. Her programs are more a fit for analytical people who want to see the science, rather than intuitive spiritual types, but contain a wealth of knowledge and tools. I think none of us are perfect, and we are all human, but I'm so impressed at Dr. Eleanor Stein's recovery from ME/CFS (no more PEM), MCS, and FM and her rich expertise. I know she still has the skin stuff triggered by the "buffalo goo", but in my opinion trajectory, open mindedness, and consistency are the recipes for the most robust health rather than just the neurolinguistic stuff, though yes that is helpful for many like me too. Sending good vibes.
@paparoysan
@paparoysan 5 месяцев назад
what was the name of website and film she mentions, father and son and paleo autoimune diet?
@HealwithLiz
@HealwithLiz 5 месяцев назад
MShope
@lisabennett1253
@lisabennett1253 5 месяцев назад
It's hard to find anyone who can answer questions but I thought I'd ask. I have a lot of issues/illnesses but wanted to ask, is self-loathing a part of limbic system impairment for some people? I have been sick for 15 years (but, of course, realize the its have been going on a longer time).
@HealwithLiz
@HealwithLiz 5 месяцев назад
I think it is Lisa - looking for faults seems related to being in fight-or-flight, but I think the root has to do with childhood experiences and our coping mechanisms. Hoping you can find some self-compassion or external things/people that bring you support. Give yourself permission to love yourself the way you are now in this moment. And let yourself fully allow love in from a higher power and/or loved one/friends.
@Truerealism747
@Truerealism747 5 месяцев назад
What are her ither illnesses
@muratkara5016
@muratkara5016 5 месяцев назад
What about tms/mind body?
@Truerealism747
@Truerealism747 5 месяцев назад
Yes lot getting better with it
@Truerealism747
@Truerealism747 5 месяцев назад
Just lost my mum to severe ms heds and àspergers
@Truerealism747
@Truerealism747 5 месяцев назад
60 percent of folks with fybromyalgia cfs have adhd or asperger's or combined.awaitng to start adhd meds most if us are undiagnosed
@Truerealism747
@Truerealism747 5 месяцев назад
She took florenef without Addison's desease
@germanside7890
@germanside7890 5 месяцев назад
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