Great review. I have the exact same boots. I can't, however, see how you can conclude that the soles are " pretty much identical " to none MIE Dr Martens. They are vastly different, as you would see if you look at a pair of MIE next to an imported pair. The imported Dr Martens soles are much lighter and you can see right through them ( they have an almost yellow hue, where as the MIE Dr Martens are far more opaque ) I have worn Dr Martens footwear since I was about 12 years old and I will be 62 in February of this year ( 2023 ) so half a century. I have had many pairs over this time and I can assure you the MIE are far superior.
I was in highschool in the 90s and had at least 6 pairs. After ordering a pair online, I realized there was no "Made in England" on the bottom. I sent them back, they were awful and cheap, just like the clown boots you find in Journeys. I then stumbled upon this line and bought a black pair. Holy crap, they are just like I remember. These are my favorite boots ever, I highly recommend the vintage MIE versions. I'm guessing I'll cherish them for life. Just make sure you roll up your jeans and wear 'em right! Ox bloods are my next purchase.
That's a good question, I have slightly wider flat feet. I would try on a crappy pair at the mall to answer that question though. The main difference in sizing from the clown shoes at journeys was how the silhouette of the toe looks. They are minimal and slim on these, but almost like a bubble in the non english pairs. Sorry I couldn't be more precise on the width.
Also, in terms of sizing, back in the day I wore a UK 10/ US 11. When I received the pair that were made in Thailand, they were way too big. I was puzzled, as I had bought them many times before and knew my size well. All was well when the English pair arrived, they were an exact fit. Another thing worth noting is that I've definitely had to break them in, but that's usually the case with any well made boot. Now they fit like a glove, except those go on hands. So they fit like a foot glove? And we digress.
@@vectorstain it might be a little late lol, I'm looking to buy some Dr melartens as my first pair of boots and don't know what size to go for. I'm a UK13 in normal nike trainers, any rough idea?
@@owenmclaughlan5439 I'm a 10.5 US in Converse and I wear a 10 UK/ 11 US. Personally, I tend to buy leather boots slightly smaller vs slightly bigger if I have to make a choice. I do this because the leather eventually stretches out. However, if they are slightly bigger, thick wool socks work. I ended up buying the ox bloods and they were slightly larger than my previous black boots in size, very minimal difference though. Hope that helps, I prefer the classic 1460s btw.
I bought a pair and they feel like the way they used to in the 70s 80s. Saying that, docs always lasted one year with constant wear. These days I can afford more than one pair of boots so they should last a few years longer. Still, it is special having docs that are made in England even if they no longer retail for £19.99p
Ha! Rose is killing it Hahaha. I have a pair of 1490 Made in England that I've had for 3 years now and Rose inspected my boots as well. Love these boots. At first I was hesitant too to spend that much on them but they are superior to the standard DM line of boots and shoes. They break in so nice, a little stiff at first but not terrible. Dr. Marten's recommends the DM dubbin polish for the Quilon leather, it's all I've ever used on them and I have no complaints. Cheers.
i had these boots since 2011, oxblood made in england my favorite. also got black and the made in england langstans. my docs are so worn i feel like getting a new pair since i seen how fresh yours looks.
Nice to see a channel that isn't just click bait, but a sincere sharing of information from your perspective. Just subscribed (mainly for the doc stuff).
I have the original black 1460’s and I LOVVEVEEEEE them soooooo much!!!! I hope I can afford to get the oxblood docs for my bday. My dad got me black ones for Xmas so there’s no way in hell i’ll get me another pair ever, so I’m going to be saving up!!!! 🤩🤩
I am going to sound super old, but I have a pair that is now 22 years old & it is still going strong! I've travelled with it in Asia & it has saved my ankle from scooter mishaps. I am looking to get another pair of new ones now but I doubt the quality will be just as good.
I have several pairs of DMs, including the Made in England 1460 oxbloods. The quality of the MIE boots is superb, as you say they do take a bit more wearing in but they look better and better with wear. I think the MIE boots are true sizes whereas the Asian boots seem to come up a half size bigger and this is exaggerated further as they stretch. It is difficult to say for defo but the MIE soles seem to wear slightly better. The MIE shoes and boots seem a bit less bouncy than the Asian models. I will only buy the Made in England boots and shoes in future. Regards, Jim
@@theelementvevo3306 I bought mine today for 225€. You don't have to be rich for that. If you buy one pair of Doc Martens they will live much longer than a pair of normal shoes for 40€ oder 70€.
@Aurelius I got the black Vintage 1460 a couple of months ago. Really comfortable boots straight out of the box. Even though the Quilon leather is thicker than the Asian Smooth, it's softer and feels more luxurious. I bought my first pair of 1490 Docs in 1990 in a UK9. I currently have 2 pairs of Asian made 1490 in UK9 that fit great. My black Vintage 1460s are also UK9 and fit great also.
Fantastic review! This was the deciding factor for me to shovel out the money for a vintage pair (in black). I’ve been wearing my Chinese 1460s for about a year and they’ve been holding up great (I don’t really understand the hatred some have towards the Asian made ones?), but I also have an old pair from the 90s. I could instantly tell a difference in leather and overall feel. So, naturally I wanted a new pair of English ones. I’m so stoked!
It's not so much a hatred for Asian made boots, but many people, myself included just hate to see companies from the UK and USA transferring manufacturing overseas for what amounts to slave labour wages. In my experience quality goes downhill in most cases because craftsmanship and pride in one's work is often directly connected to wages paid for that work. I've owned several pairs of DM's, and although my one Asian made pair were still quite good, they weren't as durable as MIE ones. There was a noticeable difference in the quality of the stitching and thickness and quality of the leather as well.
I feel like Asian-made DMs would be OK (in terms of quality) if they 1. Had a shank 2. Used slightly tougher midsole materials 3. Either used better leather, or didn't charge 150-190 us dollars for a Asian made pair of boots (range is picked out between the 1490 and 1460 boots, memory betrays due to recent effects of inflation). Theres also moral concerns, considering that companies only move production to for one reason, and the results are almost always the same for the workers (low wages, long hours, poor conditions) Made In England Docs, in my opinion, only need a shank and they'd not be too far off from a proper price (honestly a little bit of "paying for a brand", but it's still competitive for similar quality boots).
I have 1460 made in Thailand and 1490 made in England. big difference! The leather in made in England is just real one not a piece of thin vulnerable leather as in thai ones. nice video I will wait to see how they age and perform!
Hey Devon, would be happy if you could do a 6 month review / an update on these. Big fan of your videos! Very informative and useful, definitely a underrated channel!
Just found this 6 years late😂 Got a pair of these a couple of months ago and did a quick unboxing video but this is much more professional and informative. I still have a pair of oxbloods from 1991 and a pair of black 11:20 10 eyelets high from 1993. Both 90’s pairs were made in England but the o blood pair have a synthetic tongue bizarrely.
Those look dope on you! i remeber buying a pair just like those 25 years ago. i got rid of them for no reason other than they took up too much space in my closet. Last night i had a dream i was wearing them walking down the street in NYC. ( true story) im gonna go and buy me a pair AGAIN! this time ill keep them for ever.
It may be my odd shaped feet but I bought a pair of the MIE 1460’s from the DM website in size 9 and they were too small so I then tried a 9.5 and found them to be too loose. The last used by DM seemed a strange shape. I couldn’t lace them tightly enough and so I returned them and got a refund. I have a pair of 1461’s MIE shoes in size 9 and they are perfect size. So, I then tried the standard 1460’s in the DM shop in Brighton in a size 9 and they were a perfect and comfortable fit straight away. These boots were made in Vietnam and I am very pleased with quality and this comes from a regular Red Wing wearer. Has anyone else had a similar experience with the shape/size of the last on the MIE 1460’s?
I have the regular 1460 DM’s and they fit better and much more comfortable. I couldn’t find any flaws. They’re actually not that bad at all. I was surprised. The leather is thinner. Mine are made in Bangladesh. I also own Solovair’s. Those look and feel identical to made in Asia docs. Just a little thicker leather. That’s all. I tried the MIE and I don’t like the fit. Quality is just slightly better and I own $500-$1500 boots made in Italy.
Having spent a number of years working at one of the Griggs factories in Wollaston (1989-98).I can say there is nothing home made about these boots I’ve worn plenty.I have a pair of Thai made brown crazy horse and have. Second pair of cherry red ( probably made in China one coming via ebay.I can say there’s nothing wrong with how the Asian ones are made. Perfect in fact.I used to see so many mistakes made where I worked on a regular basis. On ancient and dangerous machinery.The fact griggs sold all his stock abroad was pure greed on his part.trouble is there was at least 4 Griggs owned factories in Wollaston.Only ones still there now are 1 Griggs place probably shared with solovair and loakes footwear who refused to buy in with Griggs when they first came to Wollaston.
Love your videos, thank you! Would really love to see an update on these boots to see if the soles were more hard wearing in the end, or even if you got them re-soled... And to see how the leather has aged!
I've heard the MIE versions last longer BUT my regular 1461 I brought has lasted already the years hand I have work them honestly almost everyday traveling everyday in NYC through winter to summer and they still holding well. Little leaning in the heel edge but again almost daily for three years.
I have the Black Made in England Ones. Istead of having a Hard Time Breaking Them in I wore them right away without any Problem . That was the First Time ,Dr. Martens weren‘t a pain in the Ass . I absolutely Love mine and the quality. Just like my very old Made in England ones my mum gave to me .
believe it or not i have gotten most of my docs from thrift shops and i've had all of them for about a year now and i haven't noticed any serious wear on the bottoms, however i have a huge problem with them creasing in the backs.
Really interested to see how these pan out in relation to your experiences with the For Life boots and also, what are your impressions in terms of quality, feel etc vs the For Life boots when they're fresh and new? I'm going to pull the trigger on one of the Oxblood 1460s in about a week but I'm still not made up on what pair to go for. I kind of prefer the look of the leather on the For Life boots and the darker stiching... but I'm sensing these might be a better quality boot all round.
I bought a pair of ox blood size 8 in 1982 and they are still in the box £36 I think . they're working boots that cost a fortune designed by a bloke with bad feet that probably didn't walk far
Great Video, Excellent Boots! Dr Martins my favorite, I'm trying hard as I can to find those boots in a 14 & can't find them on the official Dr Martins website. Hopefully Soon.😎👍🍺🇬🇧
It might be worth mentioning that DM sizes are one ahead of what is expected. I bought my own size 8 in the For Life series and, having worn them for a week, I find they're a size too big (and because I've worn them for a week I can't exchange them for a smaller size). My ex sold me a brand new pair of standard size 7 which I'm much happier with and wear all the time thereby making the £195.00 For Life boots redundant. Definately buy/try a size smaller than your normal foot size before you commit to the investment. Not a mistake I'll make again.......
Will be watching eagerly for updates. These are the exact ones I would get, although I'd worry that it would be difficult to get them resoled here in the States. And there are no half-sizes! I worry 12 would be way too big and 11 slightly too small.
I live in the US, how can I get a pair of ox blood docs exactly like you’ve got there? Please let me know how to do this. I really enjoyed your video thank you so much for sharing🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
I have the Made In England boots (black) not worn them yet, plus the 1461 shoes, black and oxblood, not worn those either,, but the quality ( in my opinion ) is far better than the asian boots,, yep, have the oxblood 1460, made in Thailand,, plus the 3989 brogue in black and the sawyer boot..along with the For Life oxblood 1460. I have just recently got back into Dr Martens, after the last pair I owned was in 1981, my first pair of black 1460, was 1979!! I am hoping the Made In England prove to be just as good as the boots from 1960. Looking forward to your breaking in period ( Ouch!! ) and future reviews to these boots.. All the very best. M.
Hi, Devon! I’m absolutely charmed by your reviews. I bought same boots two weeks ago (black one). Please, share more braking in info and overall wearing process. Many thanks from Russia.
I wish there were more styles for the made in England collection, I find all of them similar to the regular docs and can’t justify any reason to purchase the England ones because they either look like the pascal 1480 heart ones I bought a few months ago or are just too simple for me. I wish there were more styles for the made in England collection or at least more colours .
Leisha i agree there aren’t enough styles to choose from in the MIE line, but it is so worth it to get a classic style like 1460 or 1490 made in England. They are much higher in quality and they just look better. You will notice a huge difference, trust me! I have MIE 1460 in black and 1490 in Oxblood, and love both ... but 1460’s were easier to break in and faster to lace up :)
You've already posted 3 months review on original boot, when will you do on this one? 1 year review? It would be great if you notice because I''m looking forward to it :)
I bought the vintage MIE 1490 oxbloods in 2010. Nine years later they look even better than the first day i got em. Even after all the scratches and burns its been through.
anyone can tell me about the insoles for these made in england..because they look like they don't have any arch support...can you take it off and put a better insole,, or what have any of you done about this..all comments are welcome! :)
They.. thank you for your videos. Sizing question: Got myself a a couple of pairs of MIE Oxblood. I'm a size 10 so got a 9 and 9 1/2. The 9s are very snug.. toes are almost touching the front. A bit tight on the middle of the foot. The 9 1/2 are roomy.. about 1cm play front and back. Feels ok at the side. Not sure what's the best bet. I'm reading in places that they should be tight and they'll mold to your foot.. then other places are saying you should leave room. What's your thoughts on this? Should I sick with the cosey 9s or go with the Rooney 9 1/2s
I would also like to know if you could tell me how to get the Vonda midcalf doc Martin boots they have embroidered red red roses going up there outer side of the boot 14 eyelids I really want those boots the most of all but I’m trying to order off Amazon and it’s not working out for me they don’t have my size or any in stock. I wear a US 8 So that would be a UK 6, Please help me I really want the Vonda boots just tell me what I have to do to get them from England!🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 thank you kindly.
So I ordered a pair of Made in England 1460 oxblood boots from Dr. Marten. Everything else checks out, but there is one weird thing. The back of the tongue doesn't say "Made In England." It says "Dr. Martens, Docs." I'm in new york and it appears that my boots came from the portland air wair outlet. What is the reason this?
These look like a very nice pair of boots. Quality seems great and I'm excited to see them age! Personally though, I think I prefer a moc toe, or an red wing iron ranger. There is just something about the Dr Martens style I can't really get used to... Anyway, nice review! Glad I subscribed. Cheers!
Where can I get these resoled. Dr marten's factory don't do it. Timptons the cobbler won't do it with the authentic Dr marten's air waire sole?? Any ideas?
hello I've just received a pair of these boots bought online they feel great but how do I condition this Quilion leather? is it like Chromexcel leather
You pay for quality with the MIE boots. You will notice the big difference compared to the cheep Asian ones. I only buy the MIEs. Made in the original factory with the original materials. All top grade. They’ll last years and years.
I just bought a pair off ebay and I'm suspicious! They look identical but are they supposed to smell like pvc? The leather is a little thinner than my solovairs, as well (I've never owned docs). detailing is identical to yours, down to the smallest, so maybe the coating is just smelly...? The soles are also a little wavy, as if they cooled too fast out of the mold... just a little, though. Also, the "MADE IN ENGLAND" on the tongue is all caps where I noticed the "in" isn't capitalized on one or two others that I've seen. Am I just being paranoid? Packaging and everything is all up to par, in terms of quality. That smell is just throwing me off!
Hi! Great vid, really enjoyed it! Can I ask if you had any probs with the eyelets? I have heard that some are not stapled in properly and the burrs cut through the laces? Any thoughts?
These boots are just as "handmade" as the ones made overseas. Making boots isn't an automated process no matter what continent you're on. Don't mean to be rude but I'm just tired of hearing "handmade" being thrown around left and right just because an item is made in the US/UK/Japan etc.
240snusit You don't really understand. mIE docs are made by Craftsmen using antique machines. The 1460 you buy today will be the same as the ones from 1968. They are so special.
I agree with you to a point however the Made in England boots ARE of a better quality than the alternatives. I have both and can tell you there is a difference in quality
I have no reason to doubt that they are higher quality - my initial comment was just me nitpicking that I don't like how the word "handmade" gets introduced just because it's made in a developed country; I dislike the overuse of buzz words like it when companies market their more upscale goods.
Got it right! Lots of people are thinking that all mass made goods are made by machines.. Most of the times it's hard manual labour, for a meager wage.
The vintage series isn‘t too bad. In my opinon they are too expensive. I also have a pair of thai 1460s, but the leather is crap. If I ever buy a new pair of 1460 style boots l will order from Solovair. Same style, from the same factory, made with the same machines by the same workers. They are like the DMs were before moving the production to asia, and better.
@@weebogeeta Right?! Have you seen the HUFE difference between size 6 and 7 in cm?! No half sizes! Very uncomfortable footbed! Rerurned mine straight away.
I just bought the oxblood 3 eyelet shoe, i would like that someone advices me what is the correct product that i should use for avoiding the crack for bending the shoe and the scratches
Dr. Martens made in England 1460s ra over-hyped pair of high-top shoes. Boot isn't a good word for them they feel good on the feet but the leather is still too thin they are just a type of high-top shoe that imitates a construction work boot military boot. I believe they are overpriced for $200
🇬🇧England is DMs ⭐️At 35yo I have owned a total of 6 pairs all Made in England.. awesome boots🥾will last forever Asian made ones are trash.. Try ebay⭐️ deadstock new vintage england made are sold🇬🇧
