Imagine your dialysis patient suddenly has a repaired kidney and you ask her how and she said a strange doctor muttering about the dark ages gave her a mystery pill
@@GRasputin91 you'd think that but she has fully functional kidneys when before she had to have her blood cleaned as often as a McDonald's ice cream machine so clearly something happened
Until he goes forward in time and gets ripped on by Drs. Crusher and Bashir. And I can’t imagine he would be happy with the doctor hologram from Voyager.
@@nrkgalt McCoy is actually a very well respected doctor in starfleet. When he boards enterprise in TNG they tell "well he's somewhat special sir". The EMS doctor even used some of McCoys technique. I remember he saying that one technique he use is invented by doctor McCoy. So i wouldn't think of crusher or bashir or EMS disrespecting him.
Not cure a kidney. She grew a new one. She either had one good one or none at all seeing as she was doing dialysis. Pretty amazing that they have a awesome pill in the 23rd Century that can grow an entire organ in just an hour.😄
@@traemaxwell And further amazing that the doctors saw she was happy, realised something drastic had happened, decided to scan her, scanned her, analised the results and got a load of other doctors together to wheel her down the corridor all aghast at her new kidney all in the space of about two minutes! With service like that I dont understand how she was laying on a gurney in unattended in a corridor in the first place! Hahahahaaa
@@youbian It's a bit stupid actually. Real doctors are rather impressed with what was achieved in early modern medicine. For instance the anatomical books, surgical procedures and herbal medicines of the Medieval arabs was incredible for their time. There are correct procedures of how to turn a baby which is not positioned properly inside the womb when a woman is about to give birth and several notices about the importance of cleanliness. 18th century doctors correctly saw a connection between excessive eating of red meat and obesity (the curved lower back is still called lordosis after the fat lords who suffered from it). They also wrote several critical reports of how wealthy women shouldn't wear corsets since it constricted their natural breathing. Before we could manufacture insulin they extracted it from animals (pigs). Bones is full of crap. Any patient having subdural bleeding would need to have the blood extracted or suffer lethal brain damage. It's a perfectly valid remedy. His amazing machine somehow rebuilding the arteries and magically draining the excess blood pretty much means he is utterly redundant as a doctor since a machine does the trick in a matter of seconds. The mere idea that modern day medicine would somehow look like ancient superstition and bizarre methods such as blood-letting and balancing bodily fluids, to a doctor of the future is absurd.
@@youbian it's McCoy. He only lives in his version of here and now. It's what makes him invaluable as a doctor, even if it's somewhat crusty. Besides, it IS very frustrating watching people die around you when a simple small procedure could save them.
Heck, even by 2021 standards the medicine of the mid 1980's seems primitive. Imagine what we'd think 300+ years into the future! The same way we currently feel about leeches, vapours and evil spirits!
@@andromidius You do realize medical leeches are still used today, right? They are used to help with circulation and by extension save limbs from needing to be amputated. Sometimes nature is more effective than anything we can create, the medical leech is an example of that.
I'm a doctor and I grew up with Star Trek. The 'new kidney' scene was a key moment of my career and one of the defining moments that made me want to become one. I know it's like a five second sequence thrown in for comedic relief mostly but I watched this scene as a kid multiple times and I always thought 'Hell, that's the future and it's entirely doable and I'll be damned if we won't have that within our lifetimes.'. Seriously. We're not that far off, and we haven't even achieved Warp Speed yet.
As a doctor, I have always wanted to ask one that is a ST fan: Is there any truth to what Bones is saying or is it medical jargon mixed in to make Bones sound ‘relevant’? (in the OR)
I'm not a doctor, but I think of this clip everytime they suggest to open an arm to repair a nerve. I'm like, we're are in the 21st century almost there to the 22nd century, and you tell me we're still cutting flesh? I understand, but I'd love if this was possible already.
To anyone studying to be a doctor , THIS is your role model : Dr. Leonard "Bones" Mccoy - he is never too busy to stop and help someone in need , he cares nothing for profit or glory ; his profit and glory is in knowing that he has helped someone ; that he has eased their pain and suffering ; that he has saved a life - please , future doctors , strive to be like him ; rise above this current generation of money loving fame coveting so called doctors - please , do better - and first , do no harm
I love Dr. Beverly Crusher because she's an excellent diagnostician. She taught me the importance of research since everything has a cause and thus can be treated or cured rather than simply dismissing patients and bandaging symptoms.
This is McCoy's shining moment. Even as they plow through the last door to the elevator, if you watch, he stops and helps the woman the door hits before returning to Kirk and Gillian. Outstanding, and the music is so appropriate.
How many dozens of times I've watched this, and somehow never noticed Leonard stop to help there! Thank you for pointing it out- and I agree on the music. Before I even saw your comment I was thinking how we'll probably never hear music like that in a Star Trek movie again, and what a shame that is.
@@mortb9 Old comment, but yes. Karl Urban was so good at being Bones, that when Leonard Nimoy saw his performance, he cried. He was like channeling Deforest Kelley.
“My God, man! Drilling holes in his head IS the answer. Here, gimme that thing, I want to try it out!” Alternate ending for Mirror Universe version of the movie. 😀
This scene holds a special place in my heart. My dad was diagnosed with kidney dialysis days before he died (a side effect from a double-lung transplant he had). I talked to him over the phone while he was still awake before surgery. I quoted the bit about the old lady who grew a new kidney, and I heard everyone gasp because he smiled even though he was in a lot of pain. That was the last time my dad smiled before he died. I will always cherish this movie for giving my dad one last moment of joy before he left this world. RIP Dad
@@gregdark5203 Except, you don't get "diagnosed" with dialysis. It's the procedure used to cleanse the blood from contaminants and waste products normally filtered out _by_ the kidney. The diagnosis would be "Renal failure" and dialysis would be a treatment for it. Unfortunately, when the kidneys go, the only thing that can be done is transplant.
@@lancer525 I think your message was meant for the other guy whose father was on dialysis. My father actually died from congestive heart failure. But I learned something new reading your reply. Thank you for that info.
McCoy reminds me so much of my father. Dad has been a physician's assistant for about 40 years, served two tours in Vietnam before that as a medic aboard air evacuation and rescue. He has the exact same personality and bedside manner as McCoy. He's gruff, to the point, has a love / hate relationship with medicine, and there's nothing he hasn't seen and nothing surprises him.
Hi IPHLO, Thanks for compliment! I'll pass it on to Dad. :) He graduated from the PA program at Duke in 1971 I think it was. The PA program was fairly new then. He's been in the medical field most of his life in some capacity or another. He was a medic aboard air evacuation / rescue in Vietnam from 1967-1969 and before that had been working at his Uncle's funeral home doing embalming, first responder service and all that fun stuff. His name is Harvey and he's currently practicing in North Carolina at various FastMed Urgent Care branches. He'll be 73 next year and he'll never retire. Thanks for all you do for patients too!
At the end of the scene, when they appear at the park, the whole theater cheered. Those were the days, the audience was into the show and it really made things fun.
I remember when I saw Undiscovered Country in the theater in 1991 and people cheered when Kirk fired the homing torpedo. It was an experience that cannot be recreated. To see those types of movies in the theater with that many fans in the audience. And o yeah the entire theater was full back then.
It was the best goddamned hell of a Star Trek movie, ever! The Movie had an interesting plot idea and imho introduced the best looking version of the Enterprise, Khan was edge-of-your-seat adventure, but Voyage Home was pure, laughing joy. Son of The Trouble With Tribbles and A Piece Of The Action.
How? Nobody in 1986 would have known how she suddenly had a fully functional kidney and it would have remained a mystery. From my recollection this prime directive only applies when they actually leave functional future technology in the past or something which helps a culture gain knowledge several years in advance. Besides, that old woman won't have any more kids and neither is she likely to do something which has a serious impact on future events. In fact her just gaining a fully functional kidney will just extend her life 5-10 years.
@@McLarenMercedes The Prime Directive applies ANYWHERE that current humanity would artificially alter a developing civilization. It's actually referenced in several TOS episodes and a few TNG ones.
unless they charge an insane amount for the wealthy and make a shit ton of money before the federal government force them to make it available to everyone.
I remember watching this in the theater, and there was sincere laughter at McCoy's irascible mutterings about everyday 20th century medicine, and a moment of cheerful applause as they pass by the old lady and her freshly healed kidneys. It was obvious that where the beating heart of Trek was for that audience was in its sense of hope. That we can make things better.
This is my second favorite McCoy moment. The first is from 'Space Seed' where Khan wakes up and holds a scalpel to his throat. McCoy calmly tells him cutting the carotid artery would have the best effect. Level 100 badass.
If McCoy had bothered to mention Khan's attack to the Captain when he arrived moments later, the peril they later faced would have been avoided as Khan would have spent the rest of the flight in the brig, where his charisma and strength would be unavailing.
Personally, I always enjoyed his line following the destruction of the Enterprise as the bridge crew watches it burn up in the atmosphere. Kirk asks what has he done, and Bones replies, “What you had to do, what you always do. Turn death into a fighting chance to live.”
This kidney lady AND the transparent aluminum dude from an earlier scene may be the MVP's of the one-scene players in this movie. They sell the hell out of their reactions, making something farfetched seem SO believable!
Errr... just a heads up, Transparent Aluminum (or a variation of it, Aluminium Oxynitride) is now an actual real thing since around 2016. Not so farfetched anymore... now for the kidney pill.
@Gen They had been trialed in Chicago a few years earlier, and service reached San Francisco by 1985 but only a handful of people could afford them. Doctors did have pagers though.
It just shows that under the gruff exterior he really is a caring, compassionate man. In fact, his compassion is the very thing that makes him gruff: he gets impatient when people do not get the help they need.
@@andrewaustin9536 interesting is that in the episode "Mirror, Mirror", the mirror Spock states that McCoy "Has many human weaknesses, sentimental, soft", even in that violent universe. It proves that your medical priority comes above all else.
I loved it when Kirk said to the doctor all right everybody into that little room. I was a hospital nurse for 38 years and I would’ve loved to usher some of the doctors into a little room and lock the door.
Somedays you just understand that man. McCoy would run laps around most other character these days. Still love his “I would pay good money for you to shut up.” Line in Star Trek 6. Bones was a comedy king.
It’s all relative. Look up Bloodletting, lobotomy, and Trepanning (literal drilling holes in head) in centuries past. A few hundred years from now it we’d treat chemotherapy, conventional anti retrovirals, and cytotoxic medications the same way
My mother passed away from kidney failure a few years ago, and I remember this scene fondly. Bones' character knew he could alleviate so much suffering with a single pill. Bones didn't give a hang whether it disturbed the timeline! 🙂
My condolences on the death of your mother. We don't know what my mom died from because she had so many health problems, but kidney disease was a major factor in heard poor health. Unfortunately, I inherited it, and I'm down to one kidney. And now the remaining kidney is infected. I wish I had one of Dr. McCoy's pills. But at least the infection is clearing up.
Now this is real Star Trek. Fun, adventures, and smart writing that engages the viewers. Not the crap we are seeing now - Star Trek Discovery and Picard. I miss these old Trek.
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i watched this with my grandmother when she was in her final weeks.. when the old woman on the gurney was telling everyone that the doctor gave her a pill and shes got a new kidney made her laugh with glee such a touching scene and a great memory. lol
Dr. Bones McCoy, The doctor that America’s healthcare needs, but doesn’t deserve. We need more doctors, nurses and surgeons that care as much as McCoy.
Star Trek IV is undeniably silly, but it has loads of fun moments like this and lets the actors play to the lighter side of their characters. Nice little touches like having Kirk call Chekov "Pavel", which was a very rare occurrence. And cranky Bones is always a treat, esp knowing how totally charming DeForrest Kelley was in real life.
This scene hits harder after I lost my aunt in 2015 from Kidney Failure. She was on dialysis for so long. It was kind of a hopeful sentiment, seeing McCoy's reaction to Kidney dialysis being an archaic and brutal treatment.
Imagine if that scene with McCoy was poorly written today? Bones comes across and older man. "What's the Matter with you?" "Erectile dysfunction" "Dysfunction? My God, what is this the dark ages?"* passes him a pill "Here, you take this, and if you have any problems just call me." Later "Doctor gave me a pill and I grew a new Winnie!"
I love the way Sulu comes down the ramp to help Bones get Chekov onboard. Uhurah's reaction was never shown, but she was probably very relieved to see Chekov and hugged him and then he got settled in at his station.
“One little mistake!” That delivery was hilarious! Also, then beaming to the park was the one and only thing about this movie that bothered me. Why weren’t they beamed directly ON BOARD? I mean, besides that they needed the following scene of Gillian sneaking in to happen.
Headcanon: Scotty wasn't CERTAIN about the dilythium regeneration and the transporters just yet. They didn't show them transporting TO the hospital - only away. You COULD assume that Gillian DROVE them there in her truck while the power system repairs were wrapping up. First use of the transporters after the reboot. Scotty's taking NO CHANCES. He's SEEN what a malfunctioning transporter can do (ST:TMP) and wants NO part of it, especially with his friends lives on the line! To give himself a little extra "wiggle room" he transports them OUTSIDE the ship just to be on the safe side. He probably STILL wasn't happy he had to do the FIRST transport after the power system reboot with his friends in the beams. But hey - they don't call him the miracle worker for nothing! Oh - and on top of all of that, these transporters are KLINGON. He's gotten to know them by now. But STILL...
@@logandarklighter not bad, although Kirk had previously beamed Gillian on board earlier without any hiccups, so im sure Scotty would be pretty confident.
I love how, at a fundamental emotional and professional level, McCoy is not so different from the other arguing doctors. The only real difference is, he has access to hundreds of years worth of medical advancements.
I have always been fond of this scene: McCoy, Kirk and the others' primary mission here is to save Chekov, but McCoy, ever the humanitarian, still finds time on the way to Chekov to save an old suffering woman from kidney dialysis with a "kidney pill", which transforms her life! LOVELY!
Though the hijinks are what mostly make this scene, Dr. McCoy's dazzling medical futurism is faithful to Star Trek's vision of optimism. Better times eventually will enable quick healing for those who cannot by today's technology be cured.
When they told me that I Stage V chronic kidney Disease, I looked my nephrologist and then asked her to send in Bones with his magic pill. She looked at me with dumb look on her face. I told her watch Star Trek V the voyager home to understand. Then I explained the scene to her and she laughed. I’m still on hemodialysis looking Bones to show up.
I love the quick shot back to the doctors at 3:02. I mean they are genuinely concerned and locked in a closet but at the same time you can see them watching wondering "what is he doing?" I kind of wish they had a quick bit between Bones and the doctors where before they leave, the doctors yell at Bones begging to know what it was he did. Bones could have responded with a simple "Practiced medicine!" before knocking over another piece of equipment and leaving. Its like a doctor from our time going back to the 1600s and looking at how medicine (if it could really be called that) was done back then. The horror and disbelief would be identical.
The thing is, they way they run around unmasked and ungloved is really much closer to medevilism than drilling open the skull (seriously, how does McCoy expect them to "fix the bleed" without accessing it? He is shown to be enough of a medical historian to know exactly what technology they did and didn't have). I realize they have sterile fields or whatever in the future, but McCoy, at least, should know the about Hospital Acquired Infections in that era and act accordingly.
This film, ST4, was the culmination of the great trilogy of TOS films (ST 2-4) After that they just were also rans! Bringing the crew to present day earth was a wonderful change up, and gave us great comedic relief.
I was pregnant while watching this movie, my first pregnancy. My child had just started moving around inside..he moved more during this movie than the rest of the months of pregnancy..he alive still .
I always find it funny that when McCoy uses his scanner to diagnose the problem the first thing the surgeon does is insult him by calling him a dentist 😂😂 2:01
Hmmmm. Kirk uses the same Klingon communicator he had earlier in the restaurant scene as a phaser. Maybe the Klingons are on to something, here; combine the weapon and communicator functions in the same device. For all we know, maybe it’s a tricorder, as well. 🤗
There's an episode in TNG where two klingons are captured on the Enterprise and they take seeingly inconspicuous parts off their uniform and assemble a function Klingon disruptor. It's possible.
Saw this in the theater and cried my eyes out with the old lady. and that was years before I was diagnosed with PKD. This is hands down the best sequence of all the films.