Dragon Ball GT Is Way Worse Than You Think… 

You have to give them some credit because the z fighters haven’t fought any serious villians in like 25+ years. They were in peace for so long.

" 18 wasted " How is making a fallen behind washed up character actually important in an arc " wasted " lmao .

​@@Spooderman-r6y Right? It's much better than Super just arbitrarily boosting the supporting cast just so they can be placed holders in the tournament of power.

@@Spooderman-r6y Her screen time was limited to watching Krillin die and helping kill 17. This is an arc where her brother is the main villain, could've been utilized more instead of spending time on watching Piccolo and Dende sync up a rhyme.

@@groverrover6856 Yeah no

Literally tho

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Isn't that the "what about videl" guy

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@@bigstarwarsfan5714 werd

This here. I wouldn't be surprised if they at some point brought Baby and the Dark Star Dragons into the canon fold

@@Step43099 you know what if they did bring back baby and the shadow dragon into canon I would be interested in that because honestly out of all the concepts at least those villains were connected to the past and do make sense to show up in a future story.

​@@TevyaSmolkaproblem being baby would have to be a different character because of granolah because granolah is like baby in the backstory aspect

@@lushpaprika4811 yeah that’s true and you’re right about that

This! I love Baby, he’s the best part honestly, the Shadow Dragons arc had so much potetnail but besides the last 3 Shenrons it was wasted. I love the idea that because they misuse the Dragon Balls of amazing and the ending where they lose the Dragon Balls is the best ending, but the execution to get there for over 60 episodes doesn’t make it feel satisfying to me

well that’s just GROSS

I ain't gonna say that shit's good, but thanks to Vegeta at least the bad guys technically had a personality. And for me it had a great source to show how strong base Goku and Vegeta are, completely no selling SSJ3 Gotenks.

And RoF is right behind Copy Vegeta

@@GuamGunderthol 💀

@@Spooderman-r6y If you are talking about the movie than I agree but I think the improvements in the anime version boost it by quite a bit. Maybe it’s just because SSB is weirdly like my 4th favorite form.

No he didn't, he destroyed part of the earth to make Goku desperate then told him if he dodged this next one would destroy earth to make him get hit cuz he was faster and was dodging all his attacks . He said nothing implying he was even trying to destroy earth the first time let alone that presuming he was is utterly nonsensical as most he did was k*ll many of his servants on tsufuru while trying to hit Goku , blowing up earth just for laughs not only loses him a planet worth of infected but also doesn't do sh*t to beat Goku .

NGL piccolo bullying villains in hell is kinda cool though like bro could just train for centuries just beating up villains in hell

And i will always appreciate it for giving the character the respect he deserves not leaving him at the babysitter joke he was turned into in dbz. This is what GT does doing things right while being realistic , i'm not too crazy for some flowers and sunshine ending as long as they keep the character honourable and make him matter they've done a good job , again not to mention way better than the piss poor job Buu saga did.

@@Spooderman-r6y Piccolo murdered Shenron in OG Dragonball. There is zero reason why he (or anyone else) couldn’t just do the same thing, which would have prevented the black star dragonballs from reactivating ever again unless another Namekian went out of their way to specifically bring that particular dragon back to life. Hell, Piccolo could have just been absent through the entire show and that would have been leagues better. Just have Gohan make an off hand comment that he’s glad Piccolo is doing some business on Namek and isn’t around for all that nonsense. I stand by my statement that one of the writers just had it out for Piccolo. At least in Super, even when they’re making Piccolo a comedic character they still gave him have his own moments of dignity. And unlike in Z, Piccolo chooses to be a mentor and trainer to students who respect him rather than have the responsibility foisted upon him to deal with two brats because they were out of options.

@@Martiangrl86 And what is the guarantee that someone wouldn't try that ? It shouldn't have come to this in the first place yet it did. Nope , i'm glad he showed up and was the goat he should be . Nobody had anything out for Piccolo bro , u just have too much of a flowers and sunshine expectation . Making him a joke like he was before or just making him do nothing will be having something out for him . Do u even understand what " dignity " means ?

@@Spooderman-r6y The guarantee would be that there has to be such a convoluted specific set of chain of events for that scenario to ever occur. You literally would need a Namekian with the exact same level of darkness as the original son of Katas had come to earth specially to revive that particular set of dragonballs. Even though there are other dragonballs that are easier to use, and if he has the power to revive a dragon, he certainly has the power to create his own set of blackstar dragonballs (which would actually be far easier than any of the above) because it requires the same level combination of evil and magic. So he’d have to be evil, powerful, AND insanely stupid. Or simply wish Piccolo back to life, which makes his sacrifice even more pointless. GT basically manufactured an asinine object that makes no sense to exist, and then had Piccolo fridge himself unnecessarily because no one could be bothered to remember the source material. Then just to add salt to the wound, they let him be trapped in Hell because of bureaucratic nonsense that King Yemma couldn’t bend the rules, even though he has before for people who are far less deserving. King Yemma let Vegeta skate Hell just in case he was needed to fight Buu, even after Vegeta murdered hundreds of people earlier the same day. But GT Yemma saw the chaos on Earth, had a noble warrior volunteer to help out and decided he couldn’t be bothered to authorize a hall pass. I can’t think of a worse way to spit in Piccolo’s face after all he sacrificed. I literally couldn’t care less if they had just left Piccolo out all together in GT. It would have actually been a step up to what we were actually given. Dignity is having the quality of being worthy of honor or respect. Toriyama saw his favorite character’s spiritual journey and rewarded him. After years of hatred, struggle, and loneliness, Piccolo is finally given a loving family where he’s a beloved figure in. Gohan and his family want him around, depend on him, and look up to him. Just because Piccolo’s life is more humble, doesn’t make it worse. He still gets to fight villains, even if it is not as grandiose as before. And it is a life that Piccolo chose for himself; He’s free to walk away anytime, but he chooses to stay. He built his home purposely close by so he can be near the Son family, and he volunteers to train Pan when she shows interest in fighting. I feel sorry for anyone who views a long happy life of love and family as being a step down or undignified. You’re right he’s much better off fighting villains who can never die over and over again without rest or peace in a Sisyphean labor for all eternity. I’m sure that won’t get old after a couple billion years🙄

I disagree. I think even the ending kinda falls flat.

@@Crickbangg that's crazy...

​@@CrickbanggThe ending is fanficcy and high-key plays way too much in the exaggeratedly heroic spectrum of Goku portrayals imo. It's pretty unexplained and shitty. Z and OG DB endings neg.

Nah Z's ending is total ass​

​@Crickbangg L that's crazy I've never heard a opinion so bad in my life.

*bad ideas and even worse execution

Truth. It's beautiful.

@@XxArcanaHeartLover98XtendxX I mean critically it's mid but nowhere lower , i appreciate it cuz it was satisfying enough for what it was , baby arc is one of the best and ssj4 is the best form of the franchise . Anyone calling the series worse than mid is a filthy casual who likes to pretends to be more

@@elijahr0ck730 Fact

Stuck in dbs knowing dam well sssjgod is in super 😭🙏

@@Idcsaiyan what are you trying to say?

@@elijahr0ck730 that's ssjgod clear

@@Idcsaiyan you think another hair color change is better than ssj4... sure buddy

What about recency bias? Rainbow coloured transformation/ a character who imitates goku. Man Super had it's moments but overall Just sucks

@@malacoda9421 What about nostalgia bias Furry ugly regression transformation/ a character who imitates Vegeta GT sucks by default but REALLY stinks after I reduce down plot points and concepts to their most diminutive state

@@malacoda9421ill take super over gt personally

8:55 No , GT is surely mid but that's because it has bad stuff like Super 17 , if that was just decent too GT would be good as an overall . Saying Baby arc is just Buu arc level is some comedy and pretty much including oneself in 9:26 . 9:20 No defending the arc overall , it's bad . But braincell k*lling bs opinions no matter about what should be called out , like people saying Goku was stupid in that fight by their weird headcanon understanding or sometimes outright false memory of events . Although other than stuff like Copy Vegeta who one can barely remember the existence of , RoF is the worst arc proving dragon ball fans will literally watch anything. U just can't make a case for it it's literally just " let's bring back Frieza and make ssj Goku vs final form frieza recolour version " with more stupid stuff than even Super 17 . 11:30 Super 17 behind the scenes be like " ain't so perfect anymore huh i'm the ultimate evil scientist creation android mutant machine whatever now " 11:48 No matter what form dragon fist is always awesome that's why it's the goat 🐐 13:00 Bruh Ikr 😭 Kid Goten ? Well i have nothing against how he looks it's just that he's pretty much just a mini Goku not much of a unique character but adult version was cool . Now that's what i agree with shadow dragon arc being 6/10 . 15:25 Idk they still do quite some stuff though , this guy just did some professional gaslighting on Uub in baby arc so i don't think he's giving a good example there . The difference is not as much as people make it out to be and the characters only clearly get left behind after the 40th episode till Vegeta gets ssj4 although they still do some stuff less than being more of a threat to the main villain directly , people often forget just how many times other characters were shown competent upto Baby arc . Pan , Trunks , Vegeta , Gohan , Goten all got their moments upto then . Stuff like Pan beating a sigma force member after rage awakening who had all their past battle data and was hard to hit for a holding back base Goku who didn't wanna show him any more power yet , packing up Rildo after he was stated stronger than Buu and thought he could tank her and getting Goku and Trunks both looking goofy with Trunks asking if she's even stronger than him . Goku was literally knocked out of the ssj form and getting choked by Mutchy when Trunks blasted him so hard he was never seen again , Goku literally says he thought it had to be something when Trunks got caught in Rildo's attack implying he's not weak enough to after he revealed it was his plan to investigate Dr Mu's secret , beat up Luud with Goku and forcibly pushed Baby out of his body , Goku couldn't even beat Luud by himself and needed to exploit his weakness with Pan , they all finished Rildo together and Trunks threw away an unsuspecting Golden ozaru baby by his attack , punching his chin up while he was on guard . Goten bullied Baby's strongest state at one point in base , then Gohan schooled baby Goten in base . Vegeta is stated to be the strongest of the saiyans on earth by baby right after taking over Goten and that he'll beat Goku with his body too . He states again he's even greater than Gohan in the fight while getting bullied by his ssj form , even after Goten comes and they use a special technique making it hard to sense their positions due to living ki trails with similar signatures behind he still bodies them by just charging ki harder . Then Uub comes out of training in Baby arc when he can't sense Goku anymore , equally clashes and pushes back Super baby 2 slamming him into a wall while he says he's interested in his power making him by miles the strongest after Ssj3 Goku got bullied by ssj Baby Vegeta , as Majuub pushes him around to the point that eventually he had to inflate his muscles like the grade 3 ssj form to win the beam clash and beat him . And ik characters were simply left behind in power after Baby arc till Vegeta ssj4 but still Goku himself was getting rekt by Oceanus till Pan figured it out and overwhelmed her with a kamehameha from above stopping the attack , that's when Goku even got the chance to join and finish her together . " not saying anything unpopular " and that's supposed to be a proper reasoning for it ? Buu saga is longer than all of GT yet it's more Goku time in comparison . The only good characters who get stronger than Goku are Gohan by an asspull magic , Gotenks and Vegito . In GT Vegeta is implied stronger in initial baby arc , Uub gets stronger too and in the end Vegeta finally catches up unlike Buu saga Vegeta being left in the dust not even getting ssj3 let alone catch up to Goku's level , and of course Gogeta 4. And don't bother mentioning some sh*t like Majin Vegeta doing something to Fat Buu and getting himself k*lled instead cuz he didn't even beat Ssj2 Goku without cheating let alone ssj3 , by that logic all the instances of characters being shown competent to the current greatest foes upto Baby arc massively outweigh this . Let alone if we start considering how much help the other characters have been outside being a direct threat to villains , bringing back characters like Android 18 being a key contributor in defeating the main villain , the kais absolutely carrying baby arc , and how is Piccolo with less screen time treated way better in GT actually getting sh*t done everytime he shows up compared to the babysitter joke in Buu saga ? Dude gets humiliated on even the things he can control , didn't need to destroy HTC cuz Gotenks was just being dramatic and Buu screams outta there anyway bruh . Still not mentioned every instance where Goku got saved out of the face of death by others in GT . 16:08 Unbelievable fights wdym ? " very annoying dialogue " dub exclusive problems . Is that nitpicky complaining about Giru even supposed to be something serious ? If it's not i don't mind . That Vegeta one lol 😂 , bro was at least ready to go at the time of Nouva shenron but Bulma was like u ain't leaving without blutz waves machine , one thing i'll agree on for everyone is that they should've been involved in shadow dragon arc but this doesn't make it nearly " sh*tty " . They do it alright , again clear cut better than the last arc of dbz did. 17:29 Nope , " inconsequential " is breaking the limits of misinformation . Goku would be dead many times over if not for the decisions of these several characters , the side character usage is a 6/10 . Upto Baby arc the 40th episode they've been used the way they are in most of the franchise , it goes downhill from there still not nearly reaching " inconsequential " level and comes back up with the latter stages of shadow dragon arc. I wouldn't consider this heavy levels of misinformation " being nice " but aight . 18:25 Not really kid Buu is just aight but i don't think he compares . It was pretty unique and cool seeing a villain throw the anger of main protagonist right back in his face at his introduction and say Goku was the bad guy instead , trying to make him submit instead of finishing him telling him to release the burden with a place waiting for him in heaven was good , overall he's decent and better than Kid Buu just for that little amount of depth. " Baby not a great antagonist " depends on ur standards i think he's among the best ones so either he's one of great or nobody in db is . And this is an interesting way to go about it why gaslight most of the instances characters heavily changing stuff to " inconsequential " saying even the clear downplay is nice due to screentime then consider the one episode obstacle being a significant antagonist ? It's ledgic , Mutchy , Luud , Mu , sigma force , Rildo then the main bosses and the dragons wdym para para brothe- 6/10. In transformations " Super saiyan 4 carries " and that's why it's 9/10 . Not only they have their priorities absolutely straight showing ssj strong again putting it right back at the second place behind the newest and strongest one but ssj4 itself is very well done deserving that 1st place . Best narrative especially for Goku by far , well done introduction, design , treatment , and abilities that get developed or emphasised on upto the shadow dragon arc. Baby's forms are the next best things and overall other villain forms are fine . Dragon balls - " feels too much " is too much of a personal conditioning thing when this series is THE one that gives this ability to ask for wishes the most weight . Also why does the length " only 64 episodes " get considered to call something bad but not when we're trynna say stuff like " Goku time " gaslighting several instances of other characters getting their good moments ? If anything the involvement of dragon balls in this series was perfect , working hard to get them then have heavy consequences to using them and showing a proper hint to them getting an anomaly as they get cracked throughout Super 17 arc then being part of the villains in the final arc . This is a 10/10 . It's not too much involvement just because somone is used to way less , it's the proper amount and well done involvement. This again , dbz Vegito had a piss poor iron man repulsor beam knockoff as his finishing move by that same standard , literally not even worthy of being called a finishing move let alone " big bang attack " , so his case looks so bad graphical improvement wasn't even enough they gave him entirely game original finishers . Simple rule , u do not play the games first then go to anime , games make almost everything better .

Bro said " u were an embarrassment to me " at the end noo 😂. My score with the more fair shake Plot : Baby- 9/10 Super 17 - 2/10 Shadow dragons - 7/10 Shared Spotlight - 6/10 Antagonists - 6/10 Power-ups - 9/10 Dragon balls -10/10 Total - 49/70 That was his grading system , wait that's cool this exactly equals to my own rating 7/10.

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Eh kinda baby was valid though super 17 was shit and the shadow dragons were kinda meh

@@alfieingrouille1528 Baby was alright, but he's still way worse than most Super arcs, like the Moro Arc or Goku Black Arc

​@@MaciaZDBLAgreed 👍

@@arpadszabo661 Pan's biggest role in the series was being the final push that brought Ssj4 into existence but ur failure to mention that or even the instances where she was the one being a big help shows ur intent . Existence of a weirdo character isn't exactly sexualising her , if u wanna learn what sexualising is u should watch og db sometime . " Very generic ideas to begin with " I've never seen any fan amount upto most of those ideas so u must be dreaming rn . No need u already proved u had ur brain turned off when u summed up the villain ideas to just " revenge " , no wonder u think super even competes lmao .

@@crowofjudgement4718 It ain't as bad as far as he knew he was seeing Piccolo for the last time .

@@Spooderman-r6y Only thing he didn't

Ummm ummmm ummmm ummmm sssupp suppper baby tho 😂

I enjoy GT but im not toxic about it i understand why it gets so much hate but i personally like it

@@Spongebob907 That is perfectly fine and I’m genuinely glad you can enjoy it, really. I’m still nostalgic for it but GT has a pretty toxic fanbase. Doesn’t help that I dislike it even more after my recent rewatch to see if I was wrong or not.

@@thelettucebarrel7784 tbh i think it's cause of what gt fans had to go through back in the day with super fans that well made them toxic. but idk

​@@thelettucebarrel7784 oh, you rewatched it? You're a strong person because I would never lol

I shol checked his twitch and seen none of this

True but that doesn’t make the show fantastic tho

@@Wizofmincraft never said it was lol

And like I said you can call me crazy you can put me up on your stamps but I will die on this hill that dragon ball is going to continue to produce things I will watch till the day I die and I'm 29

Not a hot take just makes you a fan of the work

@@zrxcwrtd5981 That is a hot take if it's about GT , in dragon ball fandom sh*tting on gt is the politically correct thing to do .

@@kaienglish271 Oh we got the comedy here 🤣 . Brother , Granola is the " cool " little guy here who was a side antagonist fooled into fighting saiyans then made peace with them and gave up on revenge , he does not compare to a good main villain who put Goku through his greatest test . And Granola just skipped to power in a very lazy way . Yeah idk how people say super and gt are on the same level , when super has degraded the series way worse.

@@Spooderman-r6y You see Granola has a grudge against the Saiyans and Frieza what’s a lot better than what Baby had. Granola had a dynamic with Vegeta whereas Baby didn’t have shit as you heard In video Baby and Goku relationship wasn’t even there. Baby just stole peoples bodies that’s lazy. How so ? How did Super do worse than GT ? Ur just gonna say the same repetitive shit that’s easily proven wrong

@@kaienglish271 Yet he was just a little side character with a little arc nothing more let alone compare to one of the best main villains of the franchise . " as u heard in the video " but unfortunately or not , i've watched the series and the video upto the criticism of baby arc just spouted bs . So maybe don't rely on some yt video to back up ur opinion. And stealing them still took ridiculously more work than Granola just crying to the wish granting dragon . Baby started out weaker than everyone yet kept fighting , learning , improving and kept coming back till he figured out a way to successfully sneak into them and have strong grip over their bodies. By having way worse of a story and writing which pretends to have depth at best most of the time , for example its most important transformation which gets stronger with rage like a good ole ssj when Jiren attacks his friends after being built upto getting stronger by removing thoughts and emotions to make it feel cool and unique . U proved nothing wrong buddy , and i'd like to see u try .

@@Spooderman-r6y Baby for GT STANDARDS is great. Every Z and damn near every Super Villain is better than baby. “Baby started out weaker than everyone” So did Cell. Baby has no sort of chemistry with any of the main cast he doesn’t challenge the cast mentally at all but Granola does. This is why ur slow. I’m talking about Granola a MANGA character trying to mention something the anime does what the Manga doesn’t do doesn’t help ur point. But if u wanna talk about writting of forms ummm Vegeta losing control of oozaru when he said a few ep prior he doesn’t lose control is stupid. Baby not being able to turn SSJ4 when he met the requirements is bad writing especially when he did the equivalent of SSJ 1,2 and 3. Ur cope Super arguments are gonna be shit that I can prove wrong easily a typical GT fan

@@Spooderman-r6yeverything you said is what makes granola a good written antagonist

L TAKE

@@shadowking2153 Yeah no

@@trashdakid3682 And so is every fight in anime lmao , read ur comment out loud what was even the point of saying " i watched before playing the games " ? I watched it like that and it was a fun fight .

@@Spooderman-r6y if you actually watched the video, Sage said maybe his opinion on the ssj4 gogeta fight in the anime might changed if he watched GT first, and then played the game. I was responding to that. "And so is every anime fight lmao" Are you seriously saying the anime fights are worse than their game versions? You might need to get your eyes checked if that's the case.

GT is just torture. Holding onto a hope of it getting good for hours. At least Super lets you take something away during the ToP

@@daxmoney5011 And the glazing begins as usual

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that’s a stretch, Gt just sucks and super definitely has its lows

@@puddin6845 and Naruto and one piece are just perfect 👍 every single episode just slaps 😂 😂 ya wanna nitpick lil things here and there but the Fact is DBZ is better. I’ll watch GT over one piece 😂 and krillin could WASH everyone in ya favorite show 😂 😂 😂

​@@kingGamesENT Atcually OG Naruto and OG Dragon Ball were good. One piece before the pre timeskip Is alright but after the time skip things just get absurd quickly and litteraly has no reason to still countine even after decades. First DBZ parts like the Namek Saga and Sayian Saga were great but the Cell Saga was enjoyable even if it has too many plotholes but after the Cell Saga Dragon Ball as a whole just goes downhill. Buu Saga was the worst DBZ arc ever it straight up has too many plotholes and most of the characters were done dirty especially Gohan. DBS and DBGT were straight garbage from story telling perspectives but the fights were the only thing enjoyable for the two. OG Naruto was one of the greatest anime I've watched, good characters, good story and good fights overall. Even though It's not perfect it still is great. Begging of shippuden was atcually was atcually good until Pain Arc. After Pain Arc Shippuden just wasn't that great anymore and then lead to War Arc wich is easily Narutos worst Arc ever. Too many plotholes and too many things just don't make sense in that Arc and considering the title of the arc is called "WAR" Arc, you might think some of the main characters atcually might die or it could of easily been a sad or a traumatic event of the Naruto universe but NOPE. Only Neji dies in that Arc like what about Might Guy?? Or Kakashi?? Or Tsuande with other kages?? Is just a dumb arc in general and Boruto isn't any better. And One of my favourite characters is Superman and Krillin isn't even touching him lmao, Superman solos they're verse 😂

@@LuarIbriqi-qf4fh that’s koo that’s your opinion but at the end of the day all you can complain about with GT SUPER and buu saga is “PLOTHOLES” who cares the action was amazing and gohan is my favorite character. But it is what it is he lacks discipline and training so you know he’s going to lose. And Naruto is w.e like my favorite character is Rock Lee 😂 and that man gets played all the time but he was still better than Naruto in a show called “NARUTO” 😂 😂 That’s just dumb. Like he used shadow clown so many times I wanted to break my t.v but it’s koo people like what they like. GOKU ALL DAY THO!!! Super man is 🚮 I hate they gotta use the dumbest things to hype up super man Ohh he held a black hole in his hand!!! Stupid!!! But he lifted a boot of infinity!!!! Stupid!!!! Ohh but he pulled the earth!!! Big STUPID!!! He just boring and has no amazing powers like the Z fighters! He’s just gonna punch stufff 🤦‍♂️

@@kingGamesENT Atcually Superman is more then just "OP character who can Punch hard" Superman is litteraly the GOAT of the super hero genre without him they wouldn't be any super hero comics, movies or shows the same way that is now. Clark as Superman is an Inspiring character. He may be originated as an alien kryptonian but his selfless acts and him bonding with humans even though he is an alien is what makes him interesting, heck that's how Goku was originally too. Goku story was litteraly inspired by Superman when his whole race was blown away by a Frieza and Goku landing to earth and growing up as a human even though he is originally an alien is litteraly what Superman was lmao. Goku almost copied Superman as a character 🤣 Dragon Ball fights are cool and all but still until the buu saga the story is just meaningless. An alien always coming to earth and always trying to destroy it, like isn't that repetitive?? The problem with the Buu saga is that Gohan litteraly was done dirty with the other Z members except for Goku and Vegeta. Gohan should of been the main character after the Cell Saga but It's always Goku isn't it. Gohan had the perfect chance to show his skills with his Mystic Form and still got Cocky and got defeated by Super Buu!! Gt characters except for Goku and Vegeta are done more dirty. Gohan, Trunks, Goten, Krillin, Piccolo... all of them were done dirty!! It almost had no story and even the fights itself eventually became boring until the final fight. Android 17 arc was litteraly GARBAGE on GT. Super litteraly regressed everyone as a character. They made Goku dumber, Vegeta is just so underdeveloped in DBS unlike Vegeta in GT, Gohan still is useless in Super until the Dragon Ball superhero movie, Piccolo has the same case as Gohan and etc. The tournament of Power arc was the best Super has to offer and still didn't make any sense, the whole thing could of been avoided by Goku for not being an idiot and risking everyone's lives but Nope.

It's mid , and still best dragon ball we got after z .

@@Spooderman-r6y eh for me gt and super are mid ngl although super slightly better but that's just me tho

it’s super without the amount of good moments that super has and super just has more enjoyable characters in general, I think it’s a sweep if we count the manga tho

@@mrtrollnator123 Super is bad , way worse story . But better mindless entertainment

@@Spooderman-r6y type shii

evolution without a doubt😂

U joking right 💀💀💀

Yeah I think we all know that the spaces between the words in that question are way better than either of those 2 options 😂

If ya have to ask ya are too far gone .

@@Spooderman-r6y fr

You alone lil bro

@@Sonamous47 No I'm not

@@lukescrew1981yes you are😂

@@puddin6845 No I'm not

@@lukescrew1981 yes you are lmfao go watch better tv

Greatest of all time still better than gt anyday

Great 🙃

I remember when goku saw a mimicked version of chi chi with a nurse outfit and a massive needle 😂

@@True_EditZ1 I totally forgot about that part but wasn't that in the baby saga, I'm only referencing the super 17 saga and trying to find its redeeming qualities though not GT as a whole but if we're taking it as a whole if you ask my opinion some of the good outweighs the bad, but it's freaking GOKU TIME none of the other characters not even ss4 Vegeta gets a moment to shine cuz they're all in Goku's shadow

@@HaissamMouard No it isn't XD . Voice acting is aight and the animation was good , idk what tf part of it u're implying shouldn't have been a slide show cuz the only parts that were worked as that.

@@Spooderman-r6y You know what? You really do appear everywhere desperately fighting against. What? It's like the DBS imperial army is nuking your beloved GT pile of rubble and you’re making some righteous last stand

I really love gt a lot as a kid and don’t get me wrong but … rewatching the show from the first arc about gathering the black star arc + super 17arx and most of the shadow dragon saga arcs are the worse arcs I’ve watched. People can dog pile dragon ball super dragon Z dragon ball but at least those arcs felt way better to watch than whatever gt did. Like the black star dragon arc started way too slow with little to show for until they released the organic robatic bosses that pop out one after another and didn’t really feel like any villain ( till baby arrived also metal rildo). Also the super 17 arc that itself is just terribly written that I need an easy to write how bad a marathon of that arc was… but the shadow dragon arc was just terrible. The first 5 dragons all felt filler arc characters that one of them almost won but lost due to a rainstorm . The big portions of shadow dragon saga weren’t good to watch till the last 3 shadow dragons left standing. Mark did a fantastic explanation on GT that really personified how I feel about it. Gt is a great show to watch with knowing it’s just continuing from dragon ball Z and not being a show that stands in itself . Dragon ball super felt more of a show that stands on its self and not being carried over by dragon ball z . Also a big issue with GT is the lack of any side character development and not utilizing them. Like giving goten a more playboy character that gets series or uub becoming more of a support character … yet they just left him as side character with no payoff. Pan herself wanted to build her to be independent and not having to always saved didn’t really become her self. Instead she was always used as a character that got goku trunks into issues and predicaments

@@minecraftvvg4250 Bro. If you are already making a long comment, at least divide it into paragraphs please. The Super #17 arc is indeed trash no doubt about it. Nothing there is new and just a dumb strong robot. What do you mean filler arc characters? It is a filler show overall (the first 5 Shadow Dragons). DBGT is a continuation of the movies timeline. Therefore in a way it is canon just not in the main timeline. I heard what Mark was saying and some is good yet some I disagree with. I will have to rewatch for telling you what exactly. I actually like what they did with Goten. Pan was mostly annoying, excluding the fact that she in one point saved some lives. The robot forgot his name is okay. I don't like what they did with Trunks. As for the main villains/antagonist let's review- Ledgic (mediocre) G. Rild (excellent. The guy defeated Goku fairly) Baby (best GT villain) S #17 (F that guy!) and lastly Omega Shenlong (F boring MF).

It's true though , " few " no brother , there are some very important similarities and where it changes the execution just takes it downhill the moment Goku black himself turns into some bouncer on payroll for the only passable in origin Zamasu instead of him being the only threat in spotlight following up on him becoming a different person in a different body, then fuse into becoming a more annoying whiny version of the same , then get his physical body destroyed by a ssj2 but with blue aura form high on spirit energy then get despawned by a purple blue baby . Baby arc is a great play on the themes love vs hate that is executed well with Goku and Baby's whole journey alongwith introducing what is separately the best form of the franchise let alone placing it perfectly in the narrative of this arc being the exclusive thing to beat Baby . It's almost the opposite of black arc starting with nothing and working upto greatness , but even in the beginning baby wasn't as much of a joke black arc became in the end . That arc had a good beginning that just spiraled into a dumb mess . Just admitting facts isn't toxicity .

@@Spooderman-r6y I was referring to the manga but whatever, I'll stand by my statement tho that being the only thing these arcs have that are similar is a main characters body getting taken over and revenge on a Saiyan

Bro just say you prefer short stories

​@@alfieingrouille1528 One Piece is an Ultra large story

This is a dumb ass argument, gt has bad execution because the concepts were good. Yet none were executed in a good way

Its called criticism. Something that makes a series good instead of just Ingesting slop