Dragon Ball Power Scaling's Biggest Lie 

Dragonball Fans when you tell them the Earth is the size of the Earth

i think the argument against the guy whos named Doctor Stupid works, its like using Hercules statement in GT about Goku being unbeatable completely serious and using it in vs arguments.

Goku is Boundless+ because he came out of my manga to punch me when I said this chapter is mid

I genuinely have never heard this idea of the Planet being That huge oh my god what?? How do people think that..?

THANK YOU! People just rush to highball without actually reading Dr. Slump. This was a much needed video.

An even clearer thing to note, Doctor Umashika's name is written "Uma" - Horse + "Shika" - Deer. The two kanji together form "Baka", the very same one that means "stupid". This is not even an homophone, that is how the word is spelled. His name is *literally* Professor Stupid.

But Lonk, I need to glaze Goku! I guess I’ll just rely on King Piccolo stating he will feel infinite power when he regains his youth.

Dragon ball cosmology honestly needs some explaining for me. Absolute w video btw, I've seen only a couple people use these arguments so far.

I never understood why other db fans even use dr slump like the cosmology is still crazy without needing to wank it that hard. They wanna use evidence from a gag manga but do t wanna know shit about the other world or the inf timelines

Thanks for mentioning that the moment is anime exclusive near the end there. As a big Dr. Slump fan, I was like “yeah that’s from arale-chan only so it wouldn’t be canon regardless”

I've never heard this argument before. If anything I've heard the opposite and people reference King Cold calling earth a small planet...

This is what pisses me off the most about power scaling. People take random lines from characters from a series they haven't even watched and consider it fact without context. It's really hard for these people to understand that you shouldn't take some texts seriously

Never mess with DB fans We don’t know how to read This statement has never felt more true

I literally just saw the post that probably sparked this video. I honestly didn't know people actually brought this up.

I like to imagine Penguin Village is another hyperpolic time chamber type place on Earth. You cross a certain threshold and you appear in Penguin Village/that version of Earth.

Huh this is the first time im hearing this, imma a goku glazer but this is ridiculous

I only say it once with someone that was trying to scale kid Goku to SOLAR SYSTEM level

I had never heard of this scaling for Dr Slump and DBZ before ToasterXD's Gohan vs Cosmic Garou video in all honesty. I thought the logic behind using this stuff for DBZ was kinda wonky so thanks for clearing this up.

weird how this video comes out after a certain cell saga gohan vs cosmic power garou video that upscales cell saga gohan…

We love you lonk! Don't let underperformed videos get you down!

Where did the Earth statement come from 😂

This is a great video and im sure it cleared up a lot of the confusion with goku scalers, keep up the good work.

There is also a Large Planet lvl calc for the DB earth on reddit which I generally think makes sense. It's based on the statement in the Manga that Roshi's Island is 10,000km away made by Krillin or Yamcha I think and also the statement by Mercenary Tao that The Red Ribbon Army HQ and Korin's Sanctuary are 2,300km appart, which is also stated by the narrator Anyway, I always knew that the Dr Slump statement was bs and I'm glad that someone finally went over it.

In all my 27.5 years on this particular planet, I have never once seen any powerscaler bring up this arguement. You must be dealing with some particularly rabid individuals if you've come across people using this *BLANTANTLY* unreliable datapoint.

I have never even heard this argument before, lmfao My first introduction to it was this video debunking it That's glorious

Thank you for clearing things up 💯

Thank you for addressing this.

I wasn't even aware this was a thing. And things like this are why I like what's been happening over in Spacebattles the past couple of years, where people directly state the scaling or calc they're using so they can shave time off debates spent arguing on the canonicity and accuracy.

Bros the messiah of powerscailing

Thank you Lonk. I was wondering what was the full context of Dr Slump’s Earth size.

I've seen plenty of power scaling videos and this is LITERALLY the first time seeing someone using that Dr. Slump's Earth size power scaling ANYWHERE, so that is something that started being "common" to power scale like yesterday or its something clearly very new that I managed to somehow dodge those the type of videos

I never heard someone talking about this though. The scalling is usually with statements. Cell kamehameha was said to be able to destroy a solar system. While if Moro exploded he would destroy the whole universe 7, while goku at that time had more ki and strengh than him. This is db real scalling, the universe is really like glass to them. And char like krillin in cell saga could easily destroy planets because they were strongger than final form frieza (and the first form could easily destroy a planet). But the video is really interesting, I never thought about if the db earth was the same as ours.

Not gonna lie I’ve always heard that earth is earth sized in Dragon Ball

Can you do goku vs saitama in an oiled up twerk off? Do base goku, ssj2, ssg and ui of course, and the diff of each form vs saitama

Great video!

Yo just finished the video and I really liked how you explained how the "new meta" of db scaling just doesn't work at all.

I actually never heard this argument before, at most what i heard was that regular sized planets on db were bigger than our regular sized planets but db earth was still the same as our but a small planet for db

please i would like to know how much weight the dragon ball characters can lift

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Cool video, for i got 1 slight problem in the anime of dragon ball we have seen planets ith stats orbiting them

I agree with most of your points within the video but I do have one statement on one of your point's. Using Akira Toriyama interview statements must always (in my opinion) be taken with a grain of salt. No disrespect to him or his work but he did have a consistent issue with forgetting a lot of big details in his own stories. He had forgotten ssj2 and the saiyans having tails or being great apes. I am not saying that the character who said the earth statement is 100% right. What I am saying is that it is totally in the realm of possibility (though not likely) that Toriyama could have intended that and just forgot.

i did hear this argument a lot of times and i didn't actually believe it lol

That was the first time i've heard about this absurd argument lol

Always good to correct misinfo.

I actually never heard of that statement, until now obviously.

Yo Lonk Takes Next Video Please do Homelander vs Guts From Berserk!

I haven’t even heard about this, people actually un ironically thought the world was 100,00 times larger than normal.

I've never heard this argument

I have never heard this ever.

Bruh just watched the vid of CFG vs Gohan, that dr slump scaling sounded like bs

Just so people know if Earth wqs 100,000 times bigger with the same composition and the same weight per cubic meter as our real one it would collaspe into a black hole within 5 minuted. This is becuase stars on average are less weight per cubic inch that smaller celestial bodies. The gravity of an earth like planet with a circumference of 4,000,000,000 miles would be 2.426 x10^30 m/s^2.

Are you ever going to have a discussion/debate with people who have this view?

next video in my feed was toasterxd's video that uses this lol

I’m a guy who uses DR slump to scale Goku to outer But even I knew that that statement was bs for most of these reasons I was debating this with a DB goon and his only alibi was “there has never been another statement for the db size”

I never knew dragonball fans/powerscalers actually think Earth is bigger than our own especially to such a degree....

Expecting consistency from a show where Launch stopped appearing and the Saiyan kids didn’t have tails because Toriyama forgot. 😅

… people taking scenes out of context??? Noooo that’s crazy Lonk, next you’ll tell me they are making terms like Gaslighting up 😂 Thanks for covering this though, I never heard this one actually I guess I prefer quality scaling.

I wasn't even aware of those 'statements,' tied to Dr Slump, I knew people used Dr Slump for OTHER scaling, but I didn't even know people actually used such a vague statement for their argument, did the calculations for it. Start of DBZ Goku with a power level of 416 is able to exert 3.1404144 × 10^45 joules of energy, that is GALAXY busting feats JUST for the plane alone, I get why people would use this as a wank.

I never heard of this the hell were people smoking

I guess they caught this mind virus from one piece fans.

This is the type dragon fans that cool who actually truthful and watch the show without using exaggerating statement said by character

I have never heard this statement and I talk Dragon Ball vs a lot of

" see you in dragon ball ( if it comes out" It came out and we seen you..

The dr slumo thing is very fishy to me and i don't really use that for scaling at all

How do you reconcile Granolah's wish to be the strongest vs Arale existing in the verse? Pretty much everyone Granolah tier and up gets outerversal scaling from that

Dragon ball cosmology video coming soon?

ive seen a example of king vegeta hand wave dismissal of those 3 planets like its a real feat to scale off of. its like a figure of speech, if he was that powerful he would be way above first form freeza.

I now pose a question for you as well, Lonk's Tales... Where did Galactic Patrolman Jaco take place? From what we gather, it's a place that is never seen in Dragon Ball on the other side of the world. Where ththey don't use Zeni, but Yen. Also, like Dr. SLUMP, Tokunoshin Omori comes from a place that has surnames. A thing that besides Goku, no one has in the Dragon Ball world. Where would it be?

But how will I glaze Goku now?

I must’ve been living under a rock when everyone was saying db earth is bigger than real earth but it must’ve been getting out of hand if bro need a whole video for it

Fr, listen I love Dragon Ball but I always knew the OG Dragon Ball scaling was never that wacky.

I have never heard anyone say dbz earth is a 100000 times larger then real life earth before

This is the first time i heard this argument whattt lmfaooo

I still using this in my power scaled edits

The fanbase generally doesn't understand how the power scaling works in the series anyway. They ignore things like the fundamentals Goku learned in the original series and all the statements and very specific and direct plot points about how raw strength isn't everything, and instead they just obsess over raw numbers and multipliers as if Toriyama was just constantly doing the math for every single moment of every single fight in the series to determine the outcomes of everything. There are specific instances in which he does do some math to align things with the plotline of the time, but it's not an overarching thing and it's not as wide sweeping as many people in the fanbase would have you believe. For instance, Toriyama does state in an interview that Super Saiyan is a 50 times multiplier... When Goku uses it the first time on Namek. He never says anything anywhere about every single usage of the SSJ1 form being a 50 times multiplier, and there's multiple instances of this clearly not being the case throughout the series. There's instances of characters clearly being more or less than 50 times stronger, and other instances in which their SSJ1 and SSJ2 forms are outright stated to be pretty close to identical. The whole point of power levels getting introduced when Raditz showed up at the beginning of Z was for Raditz and a number of characters after him to have smug confidence in their certain victory due to their bigger number, only to have that preconceived notion shattered. Quite literally the first fight in Z is Raditz with his higher power level getting defeated by Goku and Piccolo working together and outsmarting him. It's made painfully clear that neither one of them had the strength to beat him alone, but through teamwork they are able to overcome his raw power. There's other things that get around sheer power as well such as characters having weaknesses that can be exploited (For example, for most Saiyans if they haven't trained to avoid it, their tail is a weakness that can be used to render them nearly powerless), different power sets that ignore power level entirely such as magic and technology, etc. There is a certain degree of underlying truth to some of the ideas the fanbase has about power level, but they generally stopped getting tracked after the Cell saga for a reason. They were introduced to be a preconceived notion to shatter, and were generally phased out as soon as Toriyama was done fulfilling that purpose thoroughly. Cell himself is basically the living embodiment of everything the group had been through up to that point, power level included, and Gohan alone was able to surpass him while barely even able to move and with one hand much like how his father once used only one hand to defeat Demon King Piccolo. Even the fight between Super Saiyan Goku and Full Power Freeza on Namek is a perfect outline of exactly how much more important core balance is than raw numbers. Freeza is a character that never trained a day in his life. Raw power is the only thing he has, the only thing that allows him to bully everyone he comes across. When Goku achieves Super Saiyan and Freeza raises himself to full power, the difference between them in regards to raw power level isn't actually all that different. Goku's power level is only a little bit higher than Freeza's, relatively speaking. Yet, Goku still has very little difficulty in overpowering Freeza and his bigger concern is finding a way off the planet in time. He drops the disrespect on Freeza hardcore, looking down on him and treating him as a minor nuisance. He warns him about how beating him is hopeless and he should rethink his ways, and in general just really hammers in how superior he is in that moment, something that enrages Freeza immensely. The reason for this massive gap between the two of them is because Goku isn't just all about raw power. He's a grandmaster with fantastic inner balance. He's not only a seasoned martial artist with insane battle skills and smarts, but even despite the fact that SSJ is a rage based transformation he's actually mastered his inner mentality to the point that he's generally calm and in control of himself rather than going berserk. The power of transformations hasn't yet completely gone to his head and inflated his ego to the point of shattering his balance, and so the gap between him and Freeza who has nothing but power is immense despite the raw numbers being so close to the same. It's something that almost everyone in the fanbase overlooks because of this obsession with raw power levels they're consumed with. Even when characters continually point out how raw power isn't everything and it gets brought up over and over and over how inner balance is more important even recently in Super, everyone still keeps chanting the religion of power is everything. It's almost maddening. The whole "Dragon Ball fans don't even watch their own show" meme really does feel true when you watch the power scaling side of the community at work.

Earth was actually stated to be a small planet in db...

The problem is that when namek explodes it creates an explosion so huge that it can be seen from outside of the galaxy. In order for it to be visible it would have to be thousands times larger than a solar system. And since bulma is able to walk freely on namek, namek would need to have the approximately the same gravity as earth, meaning the same size

Dr. Slump is one of the most unserious series ever, leave it to power scalers to take it at face value.

So this is the usual people taking things out of context to fit their agenda, so many people do this 😭

DB Fans trying not to push an agenda to make Goku stronger than he is challenge(impossible)

It’s me dongugs bingle from dragon ball

You should do Natsu vs Saiyan Saga Goku, Natsu in 100 years quest has gotten to the point he could honestly beat Saiyan Saga Goku and possibly Namek Saga Goku

“DBS earth is bigger than the solar system.” “How?” “I dont know.” Actual conversation i had with a DBS fan.

I would actually very much argue Doctor Slump isn't directly canon to Dragon Ball. It's only canon in a "Don't think about it too hard how this fits together" sort of way.

*goku if the planet was 100x bigger* "woah king kai, 10x gravity is nothing because the gravity on earth is 10x this!!"

Well that's dope.

And also the monkey hater in z was stated to be able to destroy the whole universe and also when you in you can see that dragon balls universe is composed of 7 universes sized dimension such as Heaven,hell,King Yama’s post or whatever it’s called,snake way,Kai realm,the db universe and finally the cosmos and also all of those places have dimensions like the time chamber so goku still solos

yippe it’s that time of the day to go back to the power scaling community only to instantly realize why the fuck I hate it because of the toxic debates and go back to playing ulc and ufs

I haven't seen this garbage, but it's honestly kinda funny. I have been seeing people saying the likes of Raditz or Nappa could've destroyed the Earth because Frieza and King Cold say Earth is a "small planet", which they somehow take to mean that you _don't_ need a power level of 10,000 to blow it up.

Apperently they upscaled frieza up to galaxy level in the namek saga

In all of the powescallinh videos that ived watched never had this issue. Atlesst that's considering the fact that I paid full attention

The power in DB is truly limitless because so is my love for Bulla.

Dr. Dr. Umashika aka S.Tupid is clearly used as a Joke character, however he is not used in the Manga nor in the Anime or even in the Anime Game as a pure fraudster like Mr.Satan or King in One-Punch-Man, he is stated to be a guy who likes to brag and boast about his IQ, but he is not a fraud in his Science, his inventions are gags, but not failures... also People only watch one video and think he is an Idiot. But while his robot was unimpressive compared to senbei s his robot was still advance Even senbei gets called an idiot in this series and we see how smart he is. Also Penguin Village is clearly stated to be in Dragonball, and Toriyama is known to change the scaling of the Powers and the World of dragonball... even "The One Million Kilometer Snake Road" was changed to be a billion killimeters and trillions when asked how big it actually was... also the Heaven´s-, Hell´s and Kaishinrealm were changed over time -to be infinite in size.

Good video, i rejected this before citing the Toriyama interview about the distance of the moon. Now can you talk about the argument that Arale is 5d and she scales to Beerus? This is in reference to her feat of rewriting the story as a piece o paper. Do you agree with it or not?

Dragon Ball fans taking single lines of dialogue out of context can only happen on days that end in 'day', especially non-canon, anime only/anime filler stuff. I'm still amazed people take the 'Goku is [insert any number here] times faster than light' argument seriously still, need to get working on that project myself lol.

I dont think ANYONE uses the slump meta as a means to upscale the verse. You also read that Toriyama statement wrong. He says the pole can stretch to AT LEAST 380,000 km. Meaning its the bare minimum. Doesn't mean there isnt an upscale.

Yea, also, we admit arael slam comp dragon ball

I have never seen that argument made in the scaling community. All the scaling i see is Earth=Earth.

Bro, who thought this!?😭💀

I do believe Dr.slump and DB does share a universe. Penguin Village even appeared in the Official Map which...is official (You cant deny it) And metropolis not appearing in it. Akira being Akira probably forgot about it Lol But in all seriousness, it was probably retconned or not important enough to mention. (And to be fair if you look at the official map, there are places that are not named like those places close to penguin village, so its probably in the map they just dont mention it) She even helped Goku beat general Blue in the manga. so yea i do believe they share a universe.