Dragoneer VS Ultimatum 

Weapons with the "regenerate health and armor during reload" attribute were nerfed

And better fire rate

@@StrawberryShartCak3 Fire rate doesn’t really matter. The no delay is what stands out because you can use it perfectly with 3 cat.

@@thomashuber8915the fire rate really does matter, you can switch to it faster

​@thomashuber8915 fire rate does matter especially for casuals and gay spammers

@@content9593 How would it matter if cat spamming with it not spamming it alone? Please explain.

Fire rate really does matter, if Deadly Icicle was much slower, maybe as slow as these guns, it would be called inferior to the Ultimatum, but in regards to this shotgun, whether it is better for 3cs is debatable, but Ultimatum is definitely better when spamming it than this since both have slow fire rates. Also, "bypass" certainly isn't the right word, Ultimatum has high enough damage to make anti-mods not do too much to it, but anti-mods are anti-mods, Ultimatum on its own wouldn't be great considering many people have armors that have 160 durability and over that.

​@@StrawberryShartCak3180 armor durability. Ultimatum even with anti modules takes two shots to kill me. Deadly Icicle is technically better tho than the two with it's weakness, and the fire rate makes it comparable to 3 cat just by spamming it.

No, the damage is very much high enough to bypass anti-mods. And besides that, the no delays and faster firerate make dragoneer not just better than ulti, but way better.

198 dmg ain't enough to bypass antimods at close even. While 225 is enough da he'll u talking about? (Unless you mean turtle shell) or ppl only sticking with 260 armor but alot of ppl still got 280 sooo

Also the firerate is already similar in 3cs (even somewhat if spammed) so u might as well stick with the better dmg

It's technically more damage tho ain't it? 190 for Icicle I believe. The weapon effect of DI and fire rate is better tho.

Is bro blind it litterly dominates it

Bro it def it it’s ulti 0.8

Deadly Icicle is still stronger than Dragneer because it has weakening and just 8 less dmg, also has a higher fire rate. Dragoneer is only good (esecially for cat spam), but deadly icicle is more powerful in general

@@dietwater8769 damage goes to the new shotgun but the abilities go to icicle

Fake pistol isn't that op anymore

@@OSHEEVitaminWaterSucksIt functions like one

​@@OSHEEVitaminWaterSucks fake pistol is legit a shotgun with the ability to change into a laser when you SCOPE IN. it is LEGIT a shotgun

Fake pistol is trash use literally any other backup shotgun.

Defult shotgun >>>>

Legendary?

​@@StrawberryShartCak3 he mean "ultimatum downgraded"

​@@NuningMinie no it's a mythical too

It will be

Deadly Icicle will get the nerf first, if it hasn’t already (I don’t keep track of balance changes)

Hope its just the usual damage nerf and not adding delays especially fixed delay to nerf it like they did with Gift Stitcher

plot twist it gets buffed@@ghjjiyeqsg1052

it wont be nerfed lol its balanced

The damage is truly HUGE

let us all pray that they nerf this thing

In the next pixel pass

@@leonardotorresdiaz8800 mb I don’t play pg3d anymore

Not really it’s here again in the new lottery ☠️

Hardly. All ulti has is damage, while dragoneer is better in literally every other way. Damage is never the only factor

@Rompulus yes it isn't but I'm saying it technically is better because firerate is similar enough and no delay is bypassable with the right guns. (However we might see ppl spam broken weps with this and then it might be better till it gets a nerf if that's the case)

​@@Rompulusok so if u use most used loadout which is notik, harsh and ch ulti which is better it's ulti it all depends on loadout

Hiya igor :>

Not exactly the same, slightly faster fire rate, worse damage, and no delays, the only similar thing is the attributes

@@content9593 🤓

He shows, 198 body

Its kind of the same

I am an og and i like this sure deadly Icicle still dominates these two shot guns but i like this shot gun bc of no delays i want to see more shot guns that get used at least more variety

i absolutely agree with your pfp

Devs gave him all weep for dmg test

It depends on loadout ulti is better/weaker

In the battlepass, complete tasks and save up tickets to buy the premium battlepass to get this weapon

Yes, night ultimatum four years ago, deadly icicle (which I don’t have) and this are just bonuses to my shotgun collection

You should probably get it too while it's still out

@@shazuzrqt7985 I left the game

their game is already dead duh

no

No