Reminder that neither of the authors were consulted to work on this. Also, WotC was in an agreement with the two of them to write a few more books, and WotC got caught not honoring the contract (they were planning on infinite objections which is a violation of the state they were suing in) despite the pair of authors changing everything WotC demanded, some of which were ~80 page rewrites.
A lot of the fans felt the original setting was a major failure as they felt railroaded into reliving the Legend of the Lance story arc instead of playing their own. I'm fine if WotC takes a stab at revitalizing the setting and making it "grittier" like the promo shows. With the power UA is showing DM's will have to make it grittier to challenge the players anyways. I love the authors. I just feel it's time for a new direction after the 2nd Ed failures.
@@peterwhitcomb8315 This is massive nostalgia bait, which you will see by looking at the comments. A lot of people also like the idea of a setting which is just GvE instead of shades of grey. If they didn't than LotR wouldn't have been a massive hit. I wasn't a fan of the authors of Dragonlance, but from the bits I have read of theirs, there is plenty of grittiness. I mean, the goal of one of the protagonists is to take the mantle of evil diety.
@@peterwhitcomb8315 Not me, Peter and this is a 50 years old fan. And many others like me... so I don't know what your definition of "a lot of the fans" means.
@@mouselim72 "A lot of the fans" = A majority of people who first read the books and also played D&D who then went out and purchased the campaign setting. Dragon magazine and TSR both made public comments about this when fans asked why other settings received more published content than Dragonlance. I love the setting. I love Kender and Draconians (at least in the series after The War). I love The Knights of Steel who were more pragmatic than the Knights of Solmonia. Ogre's (when fleshed out in later books. They are an "original" race after all) and Minotaur's both hold very high RP potential. And the setting makes Dragons (which is what sold me on the series) an intrinsic part of the story.
@@stanislav6092 What I noticed is that if the title didn't say it's Dragonlance, I wouldn't think it's Dragonlance. The visuals seem so far removed from what the books put in my mind. Looks more like something from Rings of Power.
You know this means we finally get Dragonlance minis. I've been working on a video game for years because of dragonlance. It simulates riding dragons with lances and ballista. You'll also be able to play giants and troops. All because of these books that i started reading in 85-86. Friggin so happy we get more of this great world.
I was super excited to see this as the original novels were literally my favorite books as a kid in the 80's and 90's, but by the end of the trailer I was just kinda lost. If not for the title reveal at the end, I wouldn't know what I'm looking at and I still don't really know what you're selling me.
What that was was pandering masquerading as nostalgia. What it is, and will continue to be, is cowardice wrapped in the banner of virtue, flown atop the mouldering carcass of what has been and what was loved because those who commit this heinous act are too lazy - or corrupt - to create. Was that too dramatic? I think maybe that was a little dramatic ...
If I hadn't been told that this is supposed to be Dragonlance I wouldn't have guessed it. It looks like some generic fantasy stuff. I know Krynn went through some major upheavals because the authors needed to sell new books, but aside from the flying fortresses and maybe the wings of the draconians nothing looks particularly krynn-ish.
According to Margaret Wies neither her nor Tracy Hickman were consulted on any part of this. I'm not hopeful, but blame goes squarely on Wizards in my book, not the writers.
I agree - I'm not against change, there was certainly some "of it's time" stuff in the novels and plenty of racial stereotyping that wouldn't sit well with modern D&D. But there was nothing distinctively Krynn-ish about the either art or the copy until the final reveal.
@@qixotl i do thing that fantasy racisms , really shouldn't be edited out, the whole elfs hate dwarf and vice versa and having those elfs and dwarf chrs get over that racism , that's a growth moment for the reader and the chrs. and without all evil orcs well they we would have to feel bad about those 10k orc we have murdered ;) and i didn't see the krynn at all as well
Although the trailer seems remarkable, the presentation feels as if it refers to some other generic fantasy setting. The flying citadel and the Draconian army give off some dragonlance vibes but it feels like so many more things that made dragonlance unique are missing.
Exactly my thoughts. It's like they didn't make it for dragonlance at all. No kender, no moons, and no lances. It would have been so easy to just model a rider with a lance.
I need some scheming and dealing Dragons. Dragonlance always had that, Dragons were actual Personalities. Not just random big bad monsters. Dragonlance fleshed out what a Dragon is. Also...Draconians. Dragonborn done right.
@@JediNiyte What annoyed me most was that the portrayal of spellcasters in the trailer did not follow any established lore in terms of robe colour. I was also a little surprised to realise the woman featured in the trailer may be a knight of Solamnia, but this is Krynn, the same world where Kitiara led a dragon army so why not have a female knight of Solamnia under the very dire circumstances of the war of the Lance. But to see mages flinging spells in the open and wearing multiple colours, that shocked me...
Dragonlance is one of the best fantasy settings ever. The tales and legends within the settings are so awesomely crafted. I was devastated when Heart (Legends of Huma) died. Roleplayed as a Knight of Solamnia in a DL MUD years go. Pretty sad if this reboot it.
I was so excited to see Dragonlance, that I didn't read the description. I was 15 seconds or so in when I went, "Wait! Is that Shohreh Agdashloo?" Freaking awesome!
they have serious bad blood with wotc, who have basically tried to steal their IP for years.. the reason there was no new DL books for so long is wotc/hasbro
@@parttimed.m.1111 They sued WOTC over breach of contract. They had a deal for three novels and after finishing writing the first novel, WOTC said they wouldn't accept any current or future drafts. The case was settled and W&H dismissed their own lawsuit. Details of reasons or settlement have not been published.
….I honestly don’t know how to feel about this. I love Dragonlance but I do not trust modern WotC and I’m worried they will mess with this. Also I haven’t read all of the Dragonlance books but I don’t recognize any of these characters. Are they from the new book? I’m just thinking yes it would be smart to promote the new book if they are from there but why not reference the old characters that people know and love.
I'm glad they aren't touching the old characters. Don't ruin the past with modern bad writing and lazy diversity virtue signaling. Weiss and Hickman had nothing to do with this. I guarantee Laurana has more character development and growth than any 10 main characters in this new content.
Don't blame you for being wary. Everything that's been coming out of the gaming shops lately are the reason I just stick with 3.5 and Pathfinder's first edition. I loved the Original 3.0 Dragonlance books and I have to admit even I'm tempted to buy this one. But since the owners of the series were not involved, I likely won't. Heard it's the same for the Spelljammer set as well.
@@GeraKhan Diversity is fine when it's not pushed to the point of ignoring another races . I have seen diversity groups where everyone was invited to join execpt white people and to me is not a good thing at all and is racist but remember you can't be racist to white people so they say ....... Diversity now is nothing more then virtual signalling and is not good
We need more dragonlance content. A GAME!!! such an easy transition, so many stories that would translate perfectly into a single player rpg, or multiplayer. Even mmo.
I envision a Dragon Age style game where you have your main character to play as, but you also get to switch amongst your team for more skill sets and what not
Of course not, these are player characters, if it had the original characters would it look like a trailer for a game you and your friends play, or like a movie that we admittedly kind of want at this quality because oh boy.... Memories
Seriously! I play 5E, but a friend of mine recently gifted me with the 2E Dragonlance Adventures book. I haven't played 2E since the 80s just after it came out and have no real intentions of going back to the system, but I love getting my hands on Dragonlance stuff. This, though, is money already spent.
@@jeffreykershner440 Weis and Hickman are currently writing a new DragonLance trilogy. Hickman just posted a photo of him with the print readers draft of the first book a couple weeks ago. I'm guessing, based on how DragonLance liked to tie in with current novels, that the new adventure will tie in heavily with the book narratives.
Although I love Dragonlance (have every novel).... I am worried though. The War of the Lance was well documented... even the pre-era. So does this take place on an alternate Krynn? The Draconians were kept out of things as they were still in training and being developed.....most of the early battles were with predominant human troops, with some goblinoid assistance. Also wondering who are these people resisting.... the White Dragon armies took overall Icewall with relative ease, the Red and Blue Dragon armies decimated most of Solamnia, Ergoth, and Abassinia. The Qualenesti got hit late with the Red Dragon Army.... regrouping with the Kagonesti and Ergothians... the Green Dragon Army desolated Silvanesti... and Black Dragon Army supported the rest. Sadly the Wizards of High Sorcery and Knight of Solamnia were either forbidden to interfer on unprepared.... and independent magic users are not very prevalent. Curious to who the black elf is... I assume she's a half-elf, a kagonesti/ergothian . . . mix.... or are their a new elf race to explain this?
Considering there is a new novel coming soon, I have to assume this is tied to that more than any of the existing ones. So until we can read Dragons of Deceit I assume we're all just gonna be guessing
Tracy Hickman's answer since 1e: The novels are their own universe and the game is it's own universe. The novels only establish lore for the novel universe, and offer background ideas if you want to come in somewhere in the middle and have a pre-written lore for what went before. TTRPGs aren't video games with scripted lore and endings. The products, novels and TTRPG are related but not the same. If you read the game modules there are some pretty wide divergences from the novels. Such as what the dragonarmies were able to accomplish. So the idea that the new game won't follow the novels isn't novel(pun not intended).
Loren, it seems like you know more and have more respect for Dragonlance lore (which is VERY dear to me and I know much about) than the people behind this new "Dragonlance game".
I recognized a female Knight of Solamnia (we know they existed, Riva Silverblade at the time of the War of the Lance is an example) , a kender and a Red Robe wizard hal-elf (probably mixed with Ergothian) fighting agaisn't the Dragon Army... how this is not recognizable as Dragonlance?
1. FINALLY YESS I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS FOREVER. 2. Solamnic Knight Shohreh Aghdashloo let's goooooo 3. 5e Wargame rules? I'm down. And DL is a great setting to bring that in with, if any of the classic D&D worlds had a worldspanning epoch-shaking war that felt like an actual WAR, it was Krynn.
It was within the world of Krynn that I spent my youth. Seeing it return to D&D has brought back a flood of happy memories. As an old timer gamer I can only say that today 'I feel young'.
Its not even close to being like the real Dragonlance because they don't use the original races or classes and it's Dragonlance in name only . I have all the original AD&D Dragonlance box sets , the dragonlance players book that has all the original races and classes such as the Knights of the rose , lender and more . When wizards took away class restrictions from the races it ruined the game because why play a human Paladin when you can play a Halfling Barbarian , Paladin , Ranger or a Dwarven mage ? None of which make sense at all and has turned d&d into a generic fantasy superhero rpg with no unique flavor to any of their " setting " which unlike AD&D setting that had much of the world fleshed out yet had tons of room to add things you wanted to add
When i first hear Shohreh Aghdashloo in the series Expanse, i immediately tought that she has a unique voice. After that i can easily recognize her voice. And her voice fits perfect to warrior. She says we go, i go first. Love her
Man when these get closer I hope they use Song of Goldmoon from DL1 as a cover for the trailer (or at least an alt trailer?). That spelljammer song was lit. Now we need something like it for Dragonlance. And the song is already written! 🤞🏽
@@NorwegianBastard Get the AD&D version if dragonlance and yo will have all those things . I've got all the box sets includimy the dragonlance players book with all the races and classes in it . en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Dragonlance_modules_and_sourcebooks
@@williamlee7482 I've got almost all of the FR 2nd ed. AD&D core rulebooks, but we never really got around to play Dragonlance in our childhoods. But I know, and I agree, that one can simply get a lot of lore from previous editions. It's just that I, imho, wish that the various setting worlds were a lot more fleshed out and readily made available for us to consume.
@@NorwegianBastard I had most of the 2nd edition forgotten realms book along with many 1st edition F.R. books . I have every Dark Sun book for both 1st & 2nd edition execpt air , earth , fire and water cleric book because it was stolen . Bad think with wizards is they ignore many parts of the setting when they do remake them , now Spelljammer is called Spelljammer adventures in the astral plane something Spelljammer was never in nor part of . They ignored 90% of the forgotten realms unlike TSR that had books for many areas in the setting . And there are way to many classes and races in the game which they have ruined the races by having any race get a +2 in any two abilities which to me just makes the raves into humans in funny skin suits . I tried playing 5e but it felt like playing a generic fantasy superhero mmo rpg so I when back to 2nd AD&D and started running my own world setting
Also, I hope if they put raistlin in they don’t dumb his stats down. Dude killed his entire pantheon in one timeline and 5e needs epic level encounters
I'll never forget seeing Raistlin's stats the first time they had been put on paper and nearly busting a blood vessel laughing. 15 Intelligence? Really? All of 15?
5e won't touch anything past 20th level with encounters or adventures. It's complete garbage but wotc is a machine that goes off of analytical feedback. They believe no one wants that game play so they don't support it. It sucks but is the truth.
@@flash1face1 Hardly. I don't like 5e. I adore the Dragonlance campaign setting. I can deal with 5e if there is official Dragonlance support. As any sensible consumer should, I only spend my money on things I like.
@@mathijsbeaujean8378 I like Dark Sun, but not enough to play 5e for it. Having said that, I fervently hope the Dark Sun fans get a campaign setting. It has been too long.
Make a video showing me you know absolutely nothing about Dragonlance, and the world of Krynn. While simultaneously proving that you know nothing about Dragonlance and the world of Krynn.
Three things I'm super worried about with this. the whole fiasco with the authors being out of this whole project. it being a adventure book FIRST before a campaign setting books which is just weird, which means that it won't be a full campaign due to having to make space for Dragonlance set up and lore OR they just ignore the lore section and it just seems like a forgotten realms book with a title that says Dragonlance. Lastly the whole tie in board game thing, am I gonna feel left out if I don't wanna play the board game and just run the module? This whole thing feels iffy, especially after I already feel so shorted with the Spelljammer release...
Wies and Hickman also weren't contacted about this at all. Expect it to be a massive bastardization of the old stuff. Ie, Kender aren't thieves anymore etc
DragonLance novels were the best novels ever santioned by WOTC. Id love too see a DL MMO game or better yet a made for TV series. Every major media company is looking for a competitor for Game of Thrones. Dragon Lance would fill the bill with millions of fans world wide. A fantastic story that would even compete with LOTR and Game of Thrones.
@@RKnights Well, we were sensible with our naming. Only my daughter was named after something based in entertainment and she was named after Aeryn Sun from Farscape.
@@Ispy10101 I'm glad you're here to tell me I can do that, it never would have occurred to me otherwise. If they manage to do something decent, then of course I will. Otherwise I just won't waste my money on it.
@@feral_orc Not anymore. Now all the hatred against kender is plain old racism. Nothing to do with kleptomania since a kender stealing something is extremely rare.
Yay in theory. But shall wait to see if it's faithful to the old stuff or not. I suppose it's fair that given it's a teaser, we don't find out anything. Epic voiceover though.
WOTC never contacted Margret Weise or the Hickmans. my bet is no it wont be faithful but hey if it somehow is dispite all evidence pointing against it i might get this book. the voiceover was great though
It also came out in Weis and Hickman's lawsuit that WotC has been requiring major lore changes because of their politics and fear of Twitter activists.
So the book I read way back in high school is now a board game? nice... I can finally experience starting adventures from the Inn of the Last home in Solace the OG Inn of all adventurer starting inns lol Edit: after watching the trailer it doesn't feel Krynn-ish...feels like another random fantasy setting or something out of vanilla Forgotten Realms settings...kinda disappointed...
Ok we've got draconians ✔ red dragon army ✔ Solamnic armour ✔? On a woman during the War of the Lance? Is it Laurana? Is that the Staff of Magius in someone else's hands? What is going on here? Excited, but not excited. Haven't played since 2e, but just recently started re-reading the novels in prep for the new trilogy. I hope they fully bring back Dragonlance in D&D, novels, tv shows and movies. Now's the chance before all the fantasy and sci-fi movies die out. (Get on it while the new GoT is on!)
And now WOTC will put out whatever Knight/Kender/Wizard-ruining trash they feel like, knowing somebody will buy it. Have you seen the Unearthed Arcana they released for Dragonlance?
I don't know much about dragonlance since i only got interested in DND about a year ago. But the fact there is an optional Tabletop Wargame that can go with this adventure makes me pumped (I'm a warhammer fan)
>Adventure module Man another one this year? They’re going way harder on adventures than setting books. I’m cool with adventure books but there’s been a lack of subclasses so far this year. Lunar sorcerer is the only one we know about in UA
Crawford and co. have openly said they remove world-specific features for races and classes now. Setting books would have to specify what's special and different per setting, so it's gonna be adventure books from now on.
Why is this Dragonlance and not some run-of-the-mill fantasy setting? Where is the special character of DL? Draconians; Death Knights; Flying Citadel? Am I missing something here?
I just wish Margret Weis and Tracy Hickman could get together to get a full feature film made like LOTR. The original stories were epic in scope and if we could get Peter Jackson to make it it would be awesome. I would love a Dragonlance Trilogy with the same length as LOTR so they could flesh out the wonderful characters.
Doesn't feel very Dragonlance-y to me, but I haven't read any of the books since Dragons of Summer Flame. I assume things have changed a lot due to the way that book concluded.
The Kender needed to be a race in D&D forever. Such great role playing opportunities and hilarious shenanigans like roll to see if your character attempts to pick a pocket, before the character even decides to "find something in their pockets". The Kender Bard or Rogue would be fun to play.
I think they could fall under a sub race of halfling along side of the two existing as they are unique compared to the two current types. Being derived from gnomes they are different, plus fearless and effected with wanderlust.
I think the biggest difference is that in 5e both stout and Lightfoot halflings are well liked, and seen in positive light. Kenders on the other hand....lol. I've always allowed my players to flavor a halfling as a Kender if they wanted too, but would love to see it become an official subrace.
@@jamesreese4170 Kender have been in the Krynn UAs and they are not going to be classic kender. They are not known for theft or the reason they are known for theft is because they magically generate items in their cloaks and people think they are thieves despite nothing actually missing.
love Shohreh Aghdashloo.. cant believe this book is coming out now that I'm wrapping up my campaign that has a side plot based in Krynn. My timing is so bad :(.. very excited for the book still tho!
Oh heck yeah! Dragonlance was a huge part of my youth as a person and as a DM/Player in D&D -- awesome to see it revisited/updated to 5E -- Greyhawk too?
While i love Dragonlance and grew up with a Dad obessed with it I REALLY want the Eberron adventures of 3.5 to be updated and reprinted! Even if it's like a book equivalent of candle keep I'd love a proper conversion of those old adventures, especially since some are VERY hard to get in print! You have an interesting setting that's not sword and sorcery and it gets under used. I'm worried already Spelljammer is going to get the Eberron 'print it and forget about it' treatment.... please please don't 🙏 Honestly... I'm really surprised DarkSun isn't coming back at this point. We need more variety in the settings that aren't just sword and sorcery. They're all starting to feel samey.🤔
No male adventurers in krynn obviously... .i hope and pray that this setting is not ruined. There really is no need to bring current social politics into absolutely everything .....is there? Especially a much loved setting with nothing broken that needs fixing
*_"A new power is rising. Its victory is at hand. This night the land will be stained with the blood of Rohan. March to Helm's Deep. Leave none alive. To war!"_* This played in my head when I heard the horn, it shall also live rent free in you head for the next week.
If I knew Shohrerh Agdashloo was narrating this, I'd come sooner. Sweet goods, I wished we could have a CRPG set in Dragonlance with her voice as one of our companions!
So WOTC is reviewing Dragonlance too? Will we see transgender knights of solamnia with preferreed pronouns, purple hair and kender absolutely NOT cleptomaniacs because that would be racism?
You see, lender were misunderstood. They never stole anything, just played tricks and moved things around. So judging all kender by the examples of one is obviously racism... Yeah, nah seeing as the authors weren't inclusive enough even after multiple re-writes... This is going to be painful to read
Don't have high hopes for this, especially after the Spelljammer release got all of about 1% of the setting, and didn't even have any space combat rules. I mean, come on, it was a perfect opportunity to update the vehicle rules to something that's actually fun and interesting without having to homebrew it, or go deep-diving for 3rd party stuff.
If you like the aesthetic of D&D but want the scope and scale of LotR, Dragonlance hits the spot really well. Start with the Chronicles, (Dragons of Autumn Twilight, Winter Night, and Spring DawnIng)
@@Hannib4lBarca Considering how WotC has been treating the authors and their work, I kinda recommend either reading their books or looking at the new WotC book. I expect they are going to have settings which are related only in name.
