Become a Member: / @nfrpodcast LIVE ALBUM REACTIONS: / membership Who will win the battle between Drake & Kendrick? We'll be speaking about the battle and reacting to your takes with Anthony Fantano
Your concept of Kendrick reusing angles is absurd. If someone called me fat but this other dude comes up and says it looks like I just shut down a baskin Robbins it just hits different lol. If you can make a point other people have made but say it in a way no one else could, it's a W bro. Just is
@@Sinister1008fat jokes are different then you a deadbeat dad homie, he didn’t say talk about the same things he twisted them, instead of saying reveal yo son, he talks about HOW he raises his son
The Pusha t bar was better when budden did it but that’s about it . Joe is also a way better punchline rapper than Kendrick tho so I can’t hold that against him .
Yeah but think about it, Kendrick was threatening Drake at the end of the track... he made it clear this wasn't his kill shot and yet still... He skated on this track better than most anyone ever could. The man took all the shit that's out there already and because of his delivery, writing style and tone it becomes a dozen missiles. If I were Drake I wouldn't want to hear his red button and if he replies, which I think he will, that button is getting pressed. I ain't heard someone call someone a deadbeat dad in that type of way. It cuts through the music and sounds like a condemnation of his soul. It sounded like real hate and disgust, not just an insult
The only way i think Kendrick could end Drake's career for good is if the cover of his next diss track is a photo of Drake getting backshots from Diddy Ain't no coming back from that
Funny how everyone is calling Kendrick a racist for saying that Drake is not black enough, but Drake literally slid into Anthony Fantano’s DMs to insult him and his wife for being a biracial couple.
You would think the beef is between Kendrick Lamar and Pusha T with the way NFR keeps comparing the two’s diss tracks. Its weird how Drake’s diss only needs to be better than Kendrick’s to win, but Kendrick’s needs to be better than Pusha T’s lmao. Wild
And what’s even weirder is once Dot dropped the Pusha style nuke these guys were so shook they were saying they wanted a break from the beef and were wishing for Carti to drop. I still can’t believe that whole live they did yesterday. I guess they meant what they said cuz I haven’t seen them react to the latest Kendrick drop
Nfr-why didn’t Kendrick drop the nuke ? Fantano -because that would probably cost him the battle Nfr- yea but Kendrick didn’t drop the nuke so this isn’t that great Nfr- we didn’t see a nuke Nfr-what do you think drake meat feels like
I have to question whether this podcast truly understands Hip Hop history. Pusha T was never going to end Drake's career with Story of Addidon. That diss track was strong and bruised Drake, but it was never going to damage Drake's aura. What CAN damage Drake's aura is breaking down how he's perceived. Similar to what 50 cent did to Ja Rule. Painting Drake as a culture vulture who never grew up in the black community, suggesting his rap persona is acting, his apparent disdain for women like Rihanna, Megan the Stallion, etc. Kendrick's angle was to take down the very essence of how we see Drake. That is Hip Hop.
its too late for that my friend. genre is way too big for all of that, fans knew drake has a weird relationship with children and nothing happens??? i dont think words can hurt his aura atp
@@Daniel-oz6qu Drake will always be a star. But if his sales dip just a little, or more people in the industry change their view of him, that does affect him long term. Drake needs the culture to accept him in order to truly be crowned in Hip Hop and Kendrick might be in the way.
But y'all are missing the point, these guys are saying those angles have been taken by other rappers already, Dot might have had some clever lines and ways of representing it but the core hip-hop do believe Drake to be a culture vulture and all his other antics.
@@hopegolden3442yep I feel that I personally thought when I subbed to the channel he was a fan of all three rappers but the fandom is starting to show.
@@intelligencecycle3523 then they say we are dick riding for picking this up. He should quit the lies and fully come out as an OVO. There is no shame in that.
Fantano saved this pod today because a lot of us were close to unsubscribing because of the lack of fair commentary and analysis from these two especially Lou. It was becoming ridiculous
How was it a lack of fair commentary they both said that Kendrick was their favorite rapper and he was winning the battle they just didn’t think euphoria was a kill shot just because they have a different opinion than you doesn’t mean they are dick riding drake
Nah. You along with other Kendrick stans just want to glaze Kendrick for every single word he says. They were being unbiased. And still said Kendrick is in the lead. Y’all gotta stop it
@@Malik-lo6zd and no sensible Kendrick or neutral fan ever said it was a kill shot, and if any they shouldn’t be taken seriously because that’s just crazy. But the way they were going over bars as compared to when they were doing Push ups was notable, worse off when there wasn’t even much in it, and i can understand Canada being clowned and mentioned got them into their feels, it was showing on the last two updates especially the first one. And it was a let down for us who have supported them since for their consistent fair analysis overtime.
@@J.Garcia824 no one is glazing anything but they were notably going over bars dismissing a lot of things and Lou was emotional the whole time. And this is not about who wins, but any in-depth unbiased analysis like what Fantana was doing even if he admitted his slight bias towards Kendrick. He was dissecting things a bit further and thats what we are here for.
@@cheflee6362 I see what you’re saying. But they still overall are being as fair as they can. Certain bars just went over their head. But still have him props and the lead. Kendrick for sure is in the lead. But it’s not as big of a lead as his stans want to think. That’s what I think they really are getting at
Yeah I said this recently, Drake has the grasp of 80% of entry level rap fans, yet 80% of those rap fans are still siding with Kendrick. It’s a total blowout
@@mattiacurto4863 tbh couldn't care less. quality > quantity. it's just funny to see how a 6 minute song outstreams the most streamed artist of all time.
Euphoria was available on steam services I’m pretty sure the day after it’s release while Push ups was available a few days and maybe even a week after it’s release so the numbers aren’t accurate because people mostly listened to Pushups on RU-vid.
Why does NFR seem emotionally invested? Whereas Fantano is handling this all from a logical cerebral point of view? Just odd and makes them seem a bit biased for whatever reason.
Honestly, save for a few moments Fantano made some great points. You can tell the NFR guys are less experienced when it comes to this sort of discussion
The Whole Drake “making” Kendrick cause he took him on tour is the most annoying rhetoric I’m hearing in all of this. After section 80, the industry couldn’t stop talking about Kendrick, he had plenty of motion Before the tour and I’d argue had a bigger name than Cole although he hadn’t had a major label debut yet. Kendrick was doing fine. So was Rocky. Only people who weren’t paying attention to either of them don’t know they were already doing great for themselves. Does it not occur to them that Drake reached out to them BECAUSE they were making noise??
Everyone knows Drake is responding. Not a single person in that live chat said Drake was finished and couldn’t possibly come back. All the chat wanted was an unbiased review and an in-depth breakdown of the diss. I’m pretty sure the chat was upset because you all: 1. Rushed through lines and called parts "filler.” 2. Talked about how Kendrick didn’t meet your expectations while you’re only reviewing surface-level bars. 3. Down played the impact of the diss. 4. Then, Lu went out of his way to offend the chat by telling us to clip him, saying that Drake would win before he even did his due diligence as a critic and finished Kendrick’s track. It feels like you’re trying to use your platform to influence the outcome of the battle and tilt it in Drake's favor. (edit) I removed the last part because I don’t aim to be mean, just critique.
you’re spot on with this. When they reviewed push ups, they gassed it up and were talkign about how it is only jabs so they didn’t expect a knockout blow. But when they reviewed Euphoria, they rished and were expecting big things in round one.
Love how Lu opened saying “all Kendrick meat riders” but doesn’t wanna admit he a Drake meat rider. All I ask is give the same energy to both artists. When Euphoria was released they played it down saying he said nothing new. Yet we’re hyped and talking up Drake’s Push Ups when majority of the song rapped about Kendrick’s height, as if Kendrick being short is shocking and damaging. Both tracks are good. Liked Push Ups, but really liked Euphoria. I have Kendrick winning but it’s close competitive battle. Hip hop fans are the true winners.
@@alfredopernillacante9585 This isn't necessarily directed at you but, if Pusha T couldn't destroy Drake's career, nobody can. There's nothing that Kendrick could say to make Drake fans not like Drake. Jay-Z's well respected after Ether, Biggie's still respected after Hit Em Up. Those are some of the best diss tracks of all time and they didn't destroy anybody's career.
@Mindonicon he is a bigger fan of Kendrick to be honest, but this is the most emotionally invested I have ever seen him he looks like he's about to lose it, he can't handle this beef thing
Also, NFR, theres plenty of new info. Drake cease and desist against Like that. Drake asked dot for a feature. Also, just drake straight lying about dots family issues and problems with TDE. Also New Angle: Drake being a canadian culture vulture, taking african american music and experiences for profit. I know you are canadian but talk about that.
@@Vazo999 you are crazy if you think he is unbiased, go check out abt drake or kanye review with fantano in it… anyways im talking about using the word glaze wrong, just saying it makes it seem ironic because yall technically doing the same as them, just defending your favorite artist
Euphoria WAS NEVER meant to be a killshot, you dont allow people dealing in extremes to dictate narratives. Euphoria was enough to beat Pushups and Taylor Made. Round 1 dot cleared TWO DISSES. Round 2- drake HAS to focus on dot and if it's not a BOMB or better than Euphoria then dot can either just ignore it or drop something that can clear that. And then it's dot up 2-0. Aubrey is in a bad position rn bc itll seem like it's over for Dot BUT the round isnt over until after dot goes again. And dots second round will rebuttal everything AGAIN lol These are the advantages of winning the coin toss.
Honestly great conversation between you three. People thought Fantano would rip into you for not messing with Euphoria like that (pun not intended) but I'm glad that the conversation was more philosophical... Incredible time to be a fan of hip-hop!
This. This right here. This is the reason why this community is such a toxic environment. Lu says ONE thing you don’t agree with and then a bunch of people like you attack him for it. You’re part of the problem.
58:29 Bro STOP with the “Kendrick took too long to respond” nonsense, Drake took ages to respond to the original shots from Like That. And like Kendrick said, he has kids to raise and doesn’t have ghost writers to lean on lmao
Drake waited for the second album to drop and it was a day or 2 after and a week later till it was official on Spotify. Then Kendrick waited to drop after Taylor swift 💀
Honestly, just the fact that every conversation about drakes writing has to include the disclaimer 'or his ghostwriters' is wild. Like drake can win this over kendrick, but it doesn't change that he can never be THE guy in hip hop because his pen is invalidated.
The narrative that Kendrick Lamar ducked Big K.R.I.T. is a bit disingenuous. In his quote on quote diss song he literally says Kendrick didn’t diss him and he wasn’t bothered by Control just the conversations that spurred from it. So why would Kendrick even respond to that 💀
You need to remember that April 30th is children’s day… “euphoria”, “pacifying”, “not real women”, does it ring a bell? It was part of the plan, adding another layer to all these references. The date on its own is part of the message.
These people are more interested in this beef looking like a TMZ segment rather than who has the better pen… when your frame of reference for rap beef is Pusha T’s song it just shows how ignorant these people are about the wider culture. Nothing new has been said is the biggest criticism they have but Kendrick didn’t have to bring up anything new he placed Drake in the context he moves in and called him out for it while responding to Drake’s diss. Drake doesn’t respond to the disses that have been said by others so Kendrick is putting the ball in his court. If someone calls you a shitty dad it won’t feel any better the next time someone does again. Lastly, Kendrick mentions him getting robbed, slapped by Puff, that Drake asked him for a feature that he turned down, and that he tried to cease and desist Like That. Trying to cease and desist a diss record is plenty new info and if that shit happened in the 90s this beef would’ve been over.
This is facts. I’ve been saying I don’t know everything about Drake, while some of the information might be out there, there is some of the stuff mentioned that as a listener myself I didn’t already know. That puts him in the scope for Kendrick moving with the fake/phony angle.
Y’all say he didn’t reveal anything new so what? Dismissal of a fact doesn’t negate the fact it’s a fact. Everybody who disses Ross says he’s a CO and he’s fat. Y’all eat that up EVERYTIME even tho we already know that. So why it’s different when Kendrick and Ross do the same to drake 🤔
It’s the most obvious grasping-at-straws reach of an argument. They really couldn’t realistically disavow or attack anything Kendrick did with a pretty near perfect diss track so they’re embarrassingly resulting to the most bad faith argument possible bc the same things they are complaining about with Kdot they are drastically overlooking with Drizzy. Like no one knew Kendrick was short before Drake said it? It’s the dumbest argument ever and is really unbecoming of a channel I used to actually like. They are so clearly letting their Canadian pride blind them to an unbiased approach and it’s so deep rooted that I don’t even think they realize it. They’ve convinced themselves that their stance is reasonable. Clown shit. Kendrick mocking Canadians really got under their skin and you can tell.
Drake was the first one to say that he had some things to reveal, so why didn't HE?? He decided to "tease" some secrets first but somehow this is all turned onto Kendrick? Lol And who made these Tools Hio Hops aficionados?? These are The Worst types.
I think Melon’s maybe missed the take when it comes to the Joel Hale Osteen bar. The problem with reading crowdsourced lyrics off Genius is that they aren’t always 100, and as I write this they still haven’t been corrected to “Joel Hale Osteen” which is clearly the lyric. It’s on RU-vid, if you don’t catch it put it on 0.5x if you have to. It seems unlikely that a guy who Drake himself was making fun of for quintuple entendres, who likely spent the last two weeks putting together this track where half the bars have multiple meanings, would goof and unintentionally portmanteau “Joel Osteen” and “Haley Joel Osment”. I’m not saying it’s impossible, but highly unlikely. I’m also not saying that it’s a god-level lyric, but it makes very little sense that it would be an unintentional goof. I think Melon’s a bit chapped since he’s catching flak after baking his take into his vid on the subject. Whatever the case, I hope Drake comes back like fire so that this game keeps going. It’d be sad if euphoria was the end of it. I wanna hear what round 3 will sound like.
Drake absolutely will respond and then we will get one more Kendrick track and it will be attached to a full project calling it now. Update: I was wrong 🤣
This would be so corny. Using a beef to promote an album would be so out of character for Kendrick. This is for the sport, not for vanity. Kendrick just a W hater.
Regarding the length of time Kendrick took... Drake took almost a month to respond to Kendrick and Kendrick took 17 days to come back.... so C'mon now. During the Nas & Jay beef, Nas released Ether in December after Jay had released in September.
Drake took 22 days, Kendrick took 17. And Drake was on tour at that time. Kendrick the one who ignited it, it should follow that he’s more prepped for a response than Drake.
@@wait_in_gold_ON_SPOTIFY Not the brightest bulb in the bunch I take it? Lol That sheit that Drake already had on standby? It has already been discussed that he had that AND ANOTHER ONE that goes super below the belt, that others have heard. Surely your nut-hugging hasn't made you fact adverse?? ;) And Kendrick didn't start it. Check again.
@@supereero9it wouldn’t matter cause people would still be like “he scared to respond” even if he wasn’t on tour and actually spending time with his fam.
NFR literally said at one point early on in this beef that they want Kendrick to lose, because “they’re tired of him wearing the crown.” That’s such bad reasoning
@@LushesBlushes it’s definitely one of the earlier videos covering the beef. If you’re patient and wanna look through them you’ll find it. It could possibly be the one where they ask about when/if Kendrick will respond to Push Ups, but I’m not 100% sure. I have a weird memory bank where I can remember perfectly when something was said, but not the context surrounding it. You know how some people have a photographic memory? I have an auditory memory where I never forget what something was spoken, but not necessarily the context surrounding it. It’s weird, I know 😂
It took Drake 22 days to respond and Kendrick did it in 17 but people grew more concerned Kendrick who did it quicker , probably because Drake keeps engaged on social media while Kendrick goes radio silent
Lol you a bit slow if you think that wasn't a strategic move... someone who was really struggling to respond was Kendrick...and to prove my point you will witness Drake responding faster than 17 days...and then witness Kendrick take his time AGAIN...
Realistically, the outcome doesnt matter. Drake is still going to make hits for the masses, making millions, while not being respected by the Hip-hop community and Kendrick is going to make great albums with actual legacy. Drake is in the Michael Jackson, Beyonce, Taylor swift conversation. A popstar. Kendrick in the Nas, Jayz, Biggie, Pac conversation. GOAT talk.
The career destroy thing never was in the conversation. Ppl still don't understand this. Even if you'll be destroyed by your oponent this only will be pr for you. Nothing much than that.
49:20 you have to realize Kendrick responded to 3 different tracks with Euphoria. Even if Cole pulled out, 7 Minute Drill was still pushed out. Push Ups was not directly aimed at Kendrick but was primarily attacks on Kendrick while taking jabs at others. Taylor Made Freestyle was the Kendrick Diss in my opinion. I think people undermine the disrespect Drake threw at Kendrick. Taylor Made uses an AI Tupac and Snoop who are making fun of Kendrick and the west coast. Euphoria was Kendrick’s response to all three.
It's interesting. They bring up this point of Kendrick portraying himself as some sort of moral leader or as holier than thou, but wasn't his whole last album refuting that exact sentiment? "I'm not your savior"? He doesn't want us to see him that way, so I don't know how that could be an angle for Drake to take. Also, the thought that Kendrick started this...Drake himself said this started a long time ago. Doesn't help when Drake is on stage taunting Kendrick as well. Excited to see what Drake says regardless tho
One advantage Drake has, after the beef is done, is that we never needed to buy into Drake’s persona. We’ve been saying the same shit about him for the past ten years, longer even. From the minute he popped up in the mainstream, we’ve questioned his authenticity, his masculinity, his racial identity, his soft image and sensitivity. As a fan myself, I’ve always felt a ton of his raps are cap, in Push Ups as well. But if he speaks his speech well enough, we keep listening. I’m more worried about J. Cole tbh. My GOAT can’t go out this way. His own fans making diss tracks against him now 😢
Loooved to hear your, especially Fantanos thoughts on this. Istg the conversation and strategy around it all is my favourite part of this so far. Good shit, thanks guys 💯❤
The thing that Push revealed and Kendrick has the opportunity to fully drive home is that Drake is not a hip-hop star. He's a pop star who does some rap and features rappers, but he's not hip-hop. Kendrick and Push can't possibly ruin Drake's career unless Drake does something so monumentally stupid that somehow loses his pop audience, but Kendrick can finally kill this idea that Drake belongs anywhere near the "top x rappers" discussion. You can be a pop country singer, or you can be a pop rock band, or you can do pop electronica. But you cannot be a pop star who does hip-hop, because hip-hop requires you to reject pop to some degree. Em may be the largest selling rapper of all time, but at no point can you ever say that he sacrificed his hip-hop authenticity in order to achieve his fame
Actually you can . Relapse “flopped” and he came back with pop beats and pop stars , sappy hooks all in hopes of maintaining some relevancy . Em is a prime example of someone sacrificing authenticity for fame and success .
@@Manuel_Chinaski I mean, maybe a little bit? I think that's more to do with him just being in a weird place in his personal life more than anything. I don't get the impression that Eminem even pays attention enough to know what's popping at any given time cause he seems permanently stuck in 2001
Yeah but relapse is considered one of his best albums within the eminem fanbase. Bad analogy. I wouldnt even say it flopped considering numerous songs on the project where on billboard.@@Manuel_Chinaski
Something a lot of people don’t seem to remember is that the only reason story of Adidon was an automatic W is because Drake bowed out the very next day. Had he responded we would’ve viewed that exchange differently
34:10 what new angles? He said in the song he doesn’t have time to try and find dirt on rappers. Also ether didn’t have any ground breaking info on jay z but it’s still considered a classic diss song .
NFR say they like Kendrick more but 95% of their points are in favour of Drake and are underselling Kendrick. They also deflecting heaps, they seem a bit entrenched.
i think one diss drake should leave alone is the restaurant bar, kendrick’s saying he’s hanging out where drake got robbed at and he’s chillin in canada with no problems
I find no reason to do the whole boxing/round analogy for this beef, especially since there’s no consensus on what a round even is. My view is that the first one to drop a track that doesn’t one up the last in some way loses
To me kendrick is an artist that cares about puttingv out a quality product. Drake is a pop star that only cares about sales and his status on Spotify.
There wasn't a lot of new angles on Euphoria? Not everyone knew about drake EPing euphoria, the 300k sa payoff, the connection to takeoff situation, the name of drakes cat... so many little details that drake and hiphop heads will pick up on even if casuals dont.
I swear some of y'all got spoiled by that the Pusha T situation. You don't have to always unpack new information or go at different angles all the time. It's an effective method for sure don't get me wrong, but it's not required. In any form of battle rap, what's most important is using the content that you can collect and how you utilise it to make creative and hard hitting bars. That's what Kendrick did. Sure, he used common talking points surrounding Drake but was able to still craft and great, effective and hard hitting response that gets the job done. Same could be said about a lot of great diss tracks over the years and even battle rap in general. (even Push Ups which I also think was a solid track)
In My personal opinion, Kendrick’s diss retreads old things because Drake is the same guy from ten years ago. Just like his music hasn’t evolved and moved forward or pushed boundaries so has he as an individual. The only thing he does is rework and modify his aesthetic but if you take that shell off he’s still the same dude. What Kendrick did was clever, surgical and impactful while clowning him. So I wouldn’t blame K. Dot he’s just not that interesting of an artist if you look closer but if you bite into the aesthetic or vibe he sells you’ll never see that. Also I agree with Fantano we don’t need investigative journalism or a bombshell with a beat dropped in a diss for one to be better than the other.
@@KINGSOP2000 doing something different in a mediocre way doesn’t make it good amigo. Same delivery as usual, same style of usual singing from Drake with weak house music come on man. I listened to the record. It’s a snooze fest except for like three songs But sure! Defend your king I guess. I thought we were talking about rapping Drake not let me try this style mediocrely Drake. I used to really love Drake’s music but it’s the same thing every album just different features and paint.
@@KINGSOP2000 oh yeah that album really wasn't anything we have ever heard before and it really made the drake fans go crazy. His best release in my opinion
I mean if we’re being honest this battle isn’t even going to come down to who is a better lyricist bar for bar it’s going to come down to who has the most impactful dirt on one another which is kind of lame 🤣🤷🏻♂️ Ever since pusha completely bodied Drake now it’s about who has more tea to spill. 🤌🏾🤌🏾🤦🏽♂️
I do not understand the argument about kendrick having this image of being a fanastic morally perfect person with a clean plate. He has never tried to be that. He has always showed himself as a flawed and conflicted person. Listen to these walls. Listen to the art of peer presure, maad city, whole me morale album, u, how much a dollar cost, for sale and Way more songs.
This was a great philosophical discussion that covered so many angles to this beef. Can't say enough kind things. You three guys are kings at this shit.
These guys show that anybody can start their own music podcast. They have basic taste, and basic takes. Fantano is still the best when it comes to reviewing and whatnot
lmao idk what’s happened to the nfr boys this year but fuck they’re being hypocritical/biased through this whole beef. agree with fantano one second then argue against it to put drake over kendrick the next sentence. you can’t put euphoria below pushups because “he took too long and there was nothing new revealed.” they both bang but euphoria was better a diss track and perfect rebuttal for now. they sound like the 15 year olds on twitter
