Darius Peyton He had the biggest comeback in hip hop history with Wins and Losses that shitted on Drakes last 3 projects.. Career far from over and his buzz gonna be even crazier when he get out of jail
Ghost writers have been in the industry for decades. Hell Ice Cube wrote half of NWA's stuff. The D.O.C. was a ghost writer before he came out. Shit ain't nothing new. Mumble rappers don't have ghost writers. You can't understand them any way.
Cube wasn't a ghost writer, he was always openly credited and NWA didn't hide it, its called "ghost" writers when they're being passed off as the singer/rapper's lyrics with no credit.
Drake didn't kill Meek, the internet and the media did. Meek won the war he exposed Drake and the real hip hop community hasn't looked at him the same since. Including me. 💯 Btw Summer Sixteen was trash
@@artikal_4592 I just liked the vibe of war pain. I don't expect Pac levels when I listen to Meek, but I thought War Pain was pretty solid. Except it came out several months after Back To Back which basically disqualifies it off rip
Forgot to mention Drake dropped summer 16 and meek mill responded 15 minutes later with war pains. Which basically proved beyond reasonable doubt that Drake must have had a writer and Meek had gotten access to the material.
False. Meek Mill said that he and Drake were staying in the same hotel at that time with Drake in a suite directly above Meek Mill's. Drake decided to troll Meek Mill by playing his unreleased song so loud that Meek Mill could hear the lyrics. Consequently, Meek Mill went to record War Pain before Drake released his record to the public.
Meek did and it's sad what this era has become lol Drake diss wasn't even a diss. He didn't expose Meek about 1 thing. Didn't pull Meeks card. Didn't rebuttal anything lol that's when I knew it was illogical to even diss Drake. Stans too strong
+Monque He rebuttaled everything Meek said (that Drake doesn't write his own shit), then he went in on Meek and dissed him for being a kept man. More important, the song was dope, at least imo. Also, let's look at your criticism and point it towards "Ether", considered one of the greatest disses of all time. - What did Nas expose about Jay in that song? That he references BIG's lyrics from time to time (which Jay freely admitted to, and clearly wasn't trying to act like he wrote the lyrics)? That he has fat lips? - What did he rebuttal? If I remember correctly, he didn't rebuttal anything Jay said (mainly, that Nas didn't own his own publishing to "Illmatic", that Jay boned Nas' baby mama, and that Nas was basically fronting, rapping about the life his brother Jungle lived) - Did he pull Jay's card? No. So why did Nas win the battle? He just had a better song (according to the public; I prefer "Takeover"). Same as Drake. If you have the better songs, you win, bottom line.
@@warking2734 Ok, but how? What did he actually say that put Jay out there or exposed something? He didn't expose anything about Jay, if I remember correctly. The only reason he "won" was because he made a better sounding record. Not to mention, when Hot 97 did the contest on the radio, they made it "Super Ugly" vs "Ether", which is ridiculous, cuz "Super Ugly" was just a freestyle-type, mixtape record, whereas "Ether" was the "official" diss. It should've been "Takeover" vs "Ether". That said, I wouldn't be surprised if "Ether" still edged it. Both songs were dope, with dope beats and hooks and bars, but "Ether" slightly edged it on the beat and hook (while "Takeover" had the better lyrics), which usually matters most to the average person. Plus, Nas was definitely the underdog in that one, and people always love an underdog story.
@@UpdoggWhattt Great point about Jay vs Nas. BUT the person with the better songs doesn't always win. Drake has better wayyy more popular songs than Pusha T but in the beef between those two Push slaughtered him badly, you can still see that Drake is hurt by that when he talks about it
Marlow Stanfield You’re right, Pusha definitely got Drake. I wasn’t trying to say it was always that way, I should’ve clarified that. One of my favorite diss songs of all time was “2nd Round KO” by Canibus (a much better song than “The ripper strikes back” or whatever LL’s song was called), but he definitely lost the battle to LL. Push was a genius with how he did it. He hit drake up over several songs on an album, and a very dope album at that. But, more importantly, he exposed real dirt on Drake, possibly the worst ever in a rap beef (it’s either that or Jay’s “Carmen” diss). This was some deeply personal, hurtful shit. Further, it probably made Drake wonder what else Push knew about him.
rap started on the ghettos Street corners, Drake's fan base does not come from there. He is a pop artist not a rapper, the only reason people say he won.
I think it was a draw because Meek won zero of the battles but he overall tarnished Drake's career but Drake also tarnished Meek's career as a philly kid coming from battling on the streets.
@@otaku-sx4bc when we talk tarnishing a reputation we mean from a creative standpoint. Drake doesn’t pen his own shit, his Stans don’t care because they don’t know anything about hiphop other than “Drake, Em, Jay, Pac, etc”.
@Bon Fettucine Because Meek had the masses before Drake put that to an end. Styles never had that level of fame and money. Styles been consistently dope as an MC for nearly 3 decades. He doesn't need the fame, but if he got it and then lost it, it would look away. Meek on the hand needs the fame, because he is a good rapper but we know him more for being Nicki's man than anything else. So when Drake put a dent on that and his relationship with Nicki ended. It meant that Meek lost something he truly valued...fame and fortune.
Over the past couple of days I recently just got wind of you and I've been watching crazy episodes of "Who really won". Anyway, I wanna give you mad props on ur research(bigups👌🏽) and I think ur doing one hell of a job. I had something to say to you about the 50 and Ja beef but you responded immediately and I sent my apologetic reply. Now, I just wanted to say I think ur putting out a dope product and so far, I agree with everything ur saying. Keep doin what ur doin and I'll continue to watch. Good job. 👍🏼
The war is a tie because like you said the ghostwriting will forever haunt Drake but Meek losing a battle to basically a pop star and someone honestly he was expected to handle is going to affect his legacy too and that's gonna haunt him the rest of his career as well
@@y.s.lplugsosa4205 That's cus his songs are more radio friendly lol he does dominate Billboard but most of his songs are lackluster He's nowhere near Kendrick if we're being honest
That ghostwriter question definitely stops Drake from being one of the greatest so Meek Mill got the war plus his freestyles were fire and aimed at Drake
Blame Meek for that. Went to Twitter instead of responding. I guarantee you if Meek had dropped something fire after charged up, back to back would not have got so much hype
Muhammad Patel saying a nigga has twitter fingers and saying its his girls tour when his girl the biggest female rap artist ever.... those disses weren't even disses lol
I think your so right I get but meek has to really start rapping at 100% coz at the level he makes great music and that ghost writing thing is like poison and I feel they will go at it again and this time it going to be a classic
I honestly think they both won, beside the jokes and shit online Meek been in the headlights for a long time because of this and he made a lot of money as well, Drake ''won'' at the end because he had a much larger fan base and more hype then Meek. all the disses were wack but we know that meek is able to do better, at the end i think that Meek Mill won because true fans of the culture and real street dudes can recognize authenticity, Drake hella fake and we keep seeing it till this day since the beef.
Raquai Johenkins bad analogy, broken bones heal. This like Drake won a bout with Meek only to find he has to take less matches after cuz everything in his right arm is fucked, no more usage and only pulls him down more and more over time.
Just found your channel and already watch 4 long videos, 50 cent my fav rapper. Speaking of 50. When will you add the beef with 50 cent and Jarule? That video will be something a lot of ppl would watch and I would really like to see it myself and see how it all started and the details. Are you working on that video? Another request, plz make beef videos of Eminem vs benzeno, plz make a video with Nas VS Jay Z. I'm telling you I'm not the only one that wants to see this. What videos are you working on now? (If any).
This is the first time that I disagree with you. It doesn’t matter if Drake has a Ghostwriter, if anyone really cared about that like you and me then drakes career would have slid off, but it hasn’t. Therefore Drake won the war as well. The fact that it hasn’t even dented his career is proof. Drake wins by a landslide
The Boy I didn’t think about that until seeing this video, but drake has low key dissed him several songs even after the beef has passed, in both summer sixteen as well as free smoke and it is clear who he is talking about but Meek hasn’t responded, also Meek is superior lyrically but he went onto twitter instead of taking it to studio so that shouldn’t be overlooked
Lt. Hilter the funny thing about that is, it did absolutely NOTHING to Drake. Scorpion came out and smashed everything in its path and Pusha is still irrelevant. When 50 killed Ja Rule, he made sure you didn't hear from him anymore, that's how you fuck someone. This though? Lmao Drake stays winning.
But its was 3 songs how can that possible paint his whole career that he does not write if you listen to all his mixtape and albums etc... Make painted the picture that drake has never written in his life and drake haters ran with it.
esco 95 drake has put out mid album after mid album and no matter how bad it is his fanbase will eat it up and think he’s the goat. Drake makes hits, meek spits bars. Drakes a pop artist, meek is a rapper. From a hip hop standpoint drake is nowhere near Meeks level. Almost everything about meek as an artist is better than drake. Just because drake sells more doesn’t mean he’s better.
There is no shadow of doubt. Any track that is co-written by someone will be accredited to that person. So if you are ever wondering "Did Drake write this?" just look at the credits.
Keep the videos coming it really shows that you've done your research I really like the game vs 50 video great research great videos keep it up I can see how it does seem bias but I know that you're not being bias every point that you make is solid!!
I would say Meek Mill won, for the simple fact that "Back to Back" & "Charged Up" was popping for 2-3 months compared to the rumours of Drake Having a Ghost writer is still going around
drake won the battle meel won the war. becuz drake has been losong credibitlity since meek exposed him... lyrically meek never won. ppl. are TRYING to kill the messenger
I feel like it was halfway, Drake now has that image of using a Ghostwriter. But for a while, Meek became quite the L magnet as a result of Drakes diss.
I agree with you - astute observation about there being a permanent dark cloud over Drake's career. I think even if fans say they don't care in that moment, all they need is the right context in order to care all of a sudden. You have to understand that fans are fanatics and by that very definition not very rational. They'll conveniently "not care" because they're fans. They're predisposed to favoritism and they'll find ways to rationalize their favoritism of one artist over another. Even if Meek had dropped the most awesome diss in the history of mankind Drake's fans would've still rationalized the possibility of him not writing his own songs as secondary to the fact that "he drops great records and that's all that matters at the end of the day." Now cue in Kendrick. If Kendrick had been the one to make that accusation and enter the battle, I guarantee you more fans in general and Drake fans in particular would've been willing to entertain the idea that not writing your own bars is sacrilege in hip hop. Kendrick has the star power and emotioal entrenchment (ability to make fans irrational) to sway that point of view back to the traditional point of view of "write your own shit or else you ain't real". Add that to the fact that Drake hasn't exactly been dropping anything unpredictable or earth shattering and you have yourself a situation where that privilege being granted Drake particularly now that Kendrick has dropped is being withdrawn though not really spoken about. Great video. Kudos to you.
Meeks music is better to me n alot of real dudes that can relate will say the same.... Drake's music is more pop than anything n h is fake, never started from the bottom. this dude didn't even say anything about war pain....he bombed in Drake with that diss. what's up with this guy. Drake is a clown...he used to be good.
Musically he did start from the bottom this nigga was from Canada and hat to move up the rap ranks and now he is at the top. This drake is fake stuff needs to stop because if he is fake 99% of rappers can be labelled that
- The amount of money you have does not guarantee success he was getting paid 50k a year and desgrassi thats not a life changing about - Trappers come into the game with more than that maybe just maybe drake decided to Do something legit instead of the drugs - His mum had two jobs as a teacher and a florist since when does that make you rich ?? -
Buba Buba the man was born rich lol. If he was talking about the bottom o the rap game he would be right cause nobody knew him until Wayne put him on. But the song implies that he's talking about money and status.
Great video man, you hit all the right points bout short and long term. I loved wins and loses, but didn't care for drakes last album, but I'm still a drake fan. As for as that looming shadow, in my eyes, I will always have that doubt. I guess I'm an old head cause, lyrics are really important to me and who writes them. A reason that makes me love Kendrick and j cole. I unfortunately can't put drake amongst them, because of doubt and tribute to bars. It's just facts. Thanks for the content quake, look forward to more vids.
How can you label ‘war’ as a “long term Victory, ending someone’s career” if you’re making these RU-vid videos shortly after the beef starts and/or ends?
This war isn’t over. With Drake recent actions I think he may come out winning this war and gaining his respect that’s been lost throughout this ordeal. In the end, he never had a ghost writer (Quentin was always credited) and once you examine the reference tracks, Drake rewritten most of what Quentin spit. You should redo this sometime next year or whenever Meek gets out and see how it all ends
@@msawmusic no one said he never wrote, he just needed help with those songs (and I believe throughout his career ex. the weeknd on take care), and the nigga literally admitted that he got help with his verses
@@imwrightnotwrong3140 it’s called co-writing and everyone in the industry does it. Just working with a producer is co-writing. So unless an artist writes their lyrics AND music, it’ll ALWAYS be a collaborative process. It’s a very childish mindset to think that makes you less-than as an artist 😂
The responses from the Drake fan boys in this tread further proves the delusion of some Drake fans. Drake is a "Rapper who sings", most importantly though he's a rapper. Most of his Pop fan base know nothing about Hip-hop culture, Drake wants his pen compared to rap greatest like his idols. The ghostwriting already killed all that, no amount of commercial success can't remove the legacy stains. Only Kendrick Lamar and J. Cole has the chance of been put alongside "Jay-Z, 2Pac, Nas, B.I.G, Eminem, Rakim, KRS-One". Drake will only be a mainstream successful rapper, it's worse than Hov battling the ghost of Pac and BIG for universal acclaim.
My thing is.... Nas took a while to drop the ether bomb on jay z and people rushed meek to drop asap! I just feel like if social media didn’t have such a dominance it would’ve been more fair to judge who won. This battle was great for hip hop though. Ima meek fan but I admire both artists💯👌🏽
The HIP HOP community decides who is king! Cooperation and media does not!. Drake made some good records. But he was never a "Lyricist" A majority of his fans don't even understand the origin of Hip hop. It doest matter if the country club guys feel comfortable around Drake! They don't decide who's king. It doesn't matter if pop fans feel comfortable are drake! They don't decide who's king. It doesn't matter if culture vultures feel comfortable around Drake! The don't decide who's king. Drake is gonna continue to sell records because he is the golden jew! But all of these people can decide pop but they'll NEVER decide HIP HOP because hip hop started as a voice for the voiceless inner city. kendrick is crowned in today's or even Eminem because Em came up from the struggle as well!. But Drake is a culture vulture and I don't care how much Jews back him...He will never be king! #longlivehiphoppurist
I dont no were drake comes from but i do no he just won 13 billboard awards including being the hottest in the game very consistent from the very first time he came out
Meek won the rap battle to honestly and I'm a fan of both. People don't know Meek dropped a slew of great freestyles aimed at Drake during the beef. War Pain was better than Back to Back in my opinion. It was direct and filled with aggression and bars. Meek's Summer Sixteen freestyle was incredible as well.
Shaquille Davis I know this is 2 months late, but Meek would've won had it been for him dropping those freestyles and War Pain right after Back To Back was released, not 8 months after no one gave a fuck about it anymore. I like Drake, but I was going for Meek because I knew he was from Philly and like Quake said, those cats from Philly can usually spit some great bars and shit like that. Drake is not the most lyrical artist, he isn't terrible with lyricism, but definitely not at that Nas, B.I.G., or Eminem level. Meek ruined Drake's rep with the ghostwriting rumors, but really not that much. Drake can never be considered in the talks of the greatest rap artists of all time because of the shadow of the ghostwriting rumors looming over him, but that's it. People don't give a fuck about a rep, they only care about how much gets sold nowadays. Meek and Drake were tied in the war portion imo because they both had big gains in their careers because of it tbh. Drake won the battle part without a doubt, he stood his ground. Like I said, he's not even close to the most lyrical artist, but he might be one of the smartest there is. He really thought it out when it came to the battle portion, but that's just my opinion.
One thing I know for a fact why Meek won the war before that battle even happened is that Drake wants respect as "RAPPER", and a cool "Black" guy; and he always knew in his heart that Meek was the cool black guy/rapper that he looked up to. He only entertained Meek, because his cool guy black rapper role model looked down on him. In a room full of people with Meek and drake also in the room; Drake would lose the cool part because he's not a cool black guy. That will never go away and he knows that. #Facts !!!
Meek definitely won the war. Now people will never credit Drake as a top tier lyricist. And that also gave Pusha T some ammo for Infared...and we all know how that played out.
Recovery Will Come soaxzing wear he hasn't released an actual album in almost 3 years. he released DC 4 and sold 70k units even though he was promoting the shit out of it. where is he thriving? did any of his singles from DC 4 break the billboard top 10 ? no. Drake hit meek harder both short term and long term. people may say Drake ain't the greatest. don't think he really cares. Views went 5* platinum. best selling album to date. his ghost writers has not been proven every song they say was ghost written he gave writing credit to. people just want to see Drake fall that's it period it's like when Jay Z was at his Heights and they continually said that he was a biggie lyric biter. when 50 was at his Heights and they continually said he was a snitch. when ja rule was at his Heights and they continually said he was a swagger jacker. people love seeing the biggest fall. meek planted a seed and people ran with it they don't even care if it's true or not.
totally agree with how you explained this... I didn't really notice until I watched this, that after the whole "drake v meek" thing and the metaphorical body bag meek had been put into by drake, I was still a fan of Meeks work and still bought DC4 and continue to check for releases by him. But on the other hand I don't know how I feel about Drake's work anymore. I was a big fan but now that his status as a great rapper has been tainted I find it hard to respect him as a "true artist".
Meek lost the war too, there are 2 Meeks Mills, the Meek before Back to back and the meek after Back to back. Meek proved to everyone he could not stand head to head with "Heartbreak Drake." Meek became a meme and it is hard to take him serious to this day. Sure, Meek Mill released a good album afterwards but just like Drake, Meek Mill's image was damaged as well, rapping about his Rollie in a diss track. Meek Mill being from the slums of Philly (where they pride themselves with great lyrical rappers) and Drake being the non-street kid who grew up with a middle class family and was often labeled as an emotional rapper, it is embarrassing that Meek would lose to Drake.
Yeah Drake got ghost writers and damn near everyone else in the industry but let’s not forget the fact that drake also writes for other people as well. Fall for Your Type by Jamie Foxx, Father Stretch My Hands by Kanye, I’m Single by Lil Wayne, RIP by Rita Ora, Mine by Beyoncé, Unthinkable by Alicia Keys, etc. All those songs were great. Can’t stunt though I was a lil disappointed when I heard he had ghostwriters himself. He got mad talent so there’s no need for them.
Bro this is the best series ever. Period. You should be rich off these. I feel like I owe you money..can you do Drake vs Pusha T? Im sure your working on it. Drake vs Joe Budden...take my money
nobody won they in different lanes and drake is just a image he aint going down as one of the greats LOL, meek made alot of corny moves like tweeting plus meek should of just mind his business and get his money thats not your place to talk on another man thats snitching ALSO what is their to say about a rich jewish man how you dis that spoon fed nigga?
When you watch these concert videos without sound... these rappers look like a bunch of toddlers figuring out how to jump up and down... then they look around to see who watching 🤣
Drake bodied Meek at that time but Meek won the war as nobody remembers back 2 back and charged up but one thing people still remember & stigmatize Drake with are the Ghostwriting accusation from Meek, , Drake's rep as a lyricist has taken major damage
and How did drake when the battle by saying is that ah world tour are your girls tour??? that sounds like jealousy to me!💯 and i don't see nothing wrong with being on his girls tour with her.Like if I had a girl friend and she was going on a tour I would go with her cause she's my girlfriend and I want to support her!
Jalon Gulley that a great diss bar because meek mill has never yet headline his own tour. while drake on European tours. how many many walk thoughts at clubs for 80 your gonna do
The Notorious Loc wat tour? no dreamchaser tour no dreams into Nightmares tour not dreams worth more than money tour. He always a special guest on somebody else tour. BOSS UP!!!!
Jalon Gulley you're a clown. that's not what he was saying. he was saying Nicki is the boss and wears the pants in the relationship basically questioning his manhood and calling him a bitch. you sound like a soft ass nigga with that mentality. stay at home dad type nigga lol foh
Bro it's like drake said if someone else is writing for him then why ain't they popping. Miller has even rapped on gucci's music and he ain't popping like that
KingLos im a jayz fan but i m a hiphop fan first,nas won the battle and da war bcuz nas became more liked and it was like his awakening back in hiphop,jayz signing him didnt make him win da war.jayz still around bcuz he is a hell of an mc and business man.
Meek Won .... War Pain killed that fool. Hot line bling don't get no bang out his new wraith. Oh and now EVERYONE knows Drake doesn't write and that's not Hip hop.
I think you should've discussed War Pain and it's significance with a lot of the hip hop community. Sure back to back was hyped af and the so called "death of meek"... But war pain? That proved that Drake had writers...
Bro, “proved”? Look at the credits on any song and it will clearly list any and all writers. I don’t see how people look down on having co-writers on songs. Two heads are better than one. Drake can obviously rap. Please look at the credits on the biggest rap songs and you’ll see multiple writers. Who cares? The only people who act like having collaborators is a negative are people who live in the idea of (rap) music instead of the reality of it. Collaboration happens. Big deal.
If you’re out here calling yourself the best rapper, and you have a ghost writer, then yes it does affect you. But if you’re out here like guys like Uzi, 21, etc then I don’t think it does. Rapping is an art and IMO a very complex form of poetry, and if you aren’t writing what’s coming out of your mouth, and you’re proclaiming yourself the best at this craft, what are you doing?!
