An interview with Edward Wagner, the Executive Director of New Technology for LiuGong on how Dressta's new TD-16N dozer is a game changer for the industry. #dressta #liugong #bulldozer
We will see how good it is ..I personally am excited that someone finally is thinking outside the box and at least trying to make things just a little better ..👍
Ben...you need to understand...Dressta was a joint venture between Dresser and Komatsu back in the 90s...But, in 2014, at CONEXPO, Dressta was sold to Liugong. It needs to be further articulated, that Luigong made its fame forming joint ventures in the early 2000s with the biggest of manufacturers, and then literally stealing their technology and putting their own components into machines...as in the case of their loaders, which are various "G" series Cat loaders, with Cummins and ZF axle, transmissions, etc. Now, as is the case with Dressta, A joint venture between Komatsu and luigong, where they partnered early and then shut Komatsu out...in essence, stealing more tech --- but that is their whole M.O....the Chinese do not build the best of anything, they go, form really big joint ventures, literally copying the design of others, and make it themselves --- that's why you see the comments you have.
@Jeff Schwab To be honest yes CAT is over priced and Deere doesn’t last. Just speaking from experience. We don’t own a dozer so we usually rent and last few times we have rented Komatsu because everyone likes the Komatsu over the Deere or CAT.
On big Ag equipment, the bottom steps are foldable/retractable to avoid being ripped off during the first muddy day. You get on the equipment, fold the steps, get to work. At least the blue on the steps will make 'em easy to find in the dirt when they get forcibly removed by a rock.
Dressta has a sharp looking dozer, but Caterpillar shapes the world. When it comes to brute force, and reliability, Caterpillar is the standard by which all other "flashes in the pan", are judged by.
I saw this dozer and sat in it. I'm a dozer guy since I was a kid (6) years old. Grew up with International equipment. The TD 15C was perhaps the best mid size dozer ever built. I was a joy to operate. We shall see when this one comes to market.
You all need to understand...Dressta was a joint venture between Dresser and Komatsu back in the 90s...But, in 2014, at CONEXPO, Dressta was sold to Liugong. It needs to be further articulated, that Luigong made its fame forming joint ventures in the early 2000s with the biggest of manufacturers, and then literally stealing their technology and putting their own components into machines...as in the case of their loaders, which are various "G" series Cat loaders, with Cummins and ZF axle, transmissions, etc. This is made possible due to the totalitarian law in place in China --- these companies, and others, have been able to advance themselves greatly in depth of someone else's hardwork and evolution of design. Now, as is the case with Dressta, A joint venture between Komatsu and luigong, where they partnered early and then shut Komatsu out...in essence, stealing more tech --- but that is their whole M.O....the Chinese do not build the best of anything, they go, form really big joint ventures, literally copying the design of others, and make it themselves --- that's why you see the comments you have...then they eliminate the joint venture, thereby not honoring their commitments --- and this has happened over and over and over again.
Screw China. Look what they have done. If you work for China you are a traitor to the entire world. Lies, lies, lies. They murder their own people just for speaking out!! Stay out of my country!!
That's exactly what I was thinking. Those steps are history as soon as you back into something or most likely pick up something in the track and take them out. I have a D5N high track and have crushed the battery box picking up a cedar stump...
Peter Haddock had a great time interviewing the team at Conexpo. Thanks for the opportunity Awesome Earthmovers it was great to collaborate with your team at the show
No experience in using dozers myself but compared to standard design seems a very neat, thinking outside the box clever redesign. Hope they can maintain some interchangeability of parts with standard dozers regarding running costs and not needing a separate parts store specific for this new design.
Very nice FINISH DOZER This is very nice for view In the swamps oilfield of south Louisiana it will be a down fall with huge windows and steps for stumps and logs..this is a finish style dozer not made for clearing...but very impressive dozer I would diffantly love to operate.
A rock willl get caught in the track and get pinned between that, and as the track rolls foward it will rip the steps right off. First day i say as well
@@James-dtexTexas they should say that in the video so people wont assume its made in china. Dresser is what became of international harvesters construction equipment division. a lot of john deere and CAT machines are foreign made anyway so this might be a good seller in the US
@@mikecubes1642I bought a new Dresser TD 15 E dozer in about 1999, I always wondered why it said "Made in Poland" on the serial# tag. Its been a real good machine.
I agree totally these fools have obviously never tried to get up on old d9Gs or anything like that which had no steps at all. People are disappointing these days.
Actually, you are mistaken...Euclid did it before Terex...in the 50s and 60s...then Terex in the 60s, 70s and 80s...the last Terex dozer produced in 1993 just before the 1993 ConExpo. It was a unique design...however, as good of the positives...the drawback far outweigh --- when pointed upward in either a push or pull mode, the heat does not leave the machine well. We owned several Terex dozers. Another downside, the noise component...and the accompanied melted snow that refreezes in a snowy environment...these machines look well though out, unfortunately, to the trained eye, they are not.
friend of mine after switching to Dressta from Cat said Dressta beats Cat hands down for performance & reliability he worked exclusively in river Maintenace for local municipalities
Dressta's 2021 dozer is larger then this one. I heard they are going to change the model number before its released to the rest of the world. The CO-VID 21 didn't do well in the testing.
so the tracks get dirty and then get clean... it happens 100 times a day running a dozer... ive never fallen off a track climbing on or off a dozer... but putting a step behind the track will guarantee that it is always going to be dirty... its in the prime spot to catch all dirt and mud coming off the back of the track while moving forward or reverse... only thing is that it doesn't self clean like the tracks do... we run lots of different tractors and all that have steps around tires are always covered in dirt or mud... its a daily thing to clean the steps to get in the tractor and they are usually covered in mud when getting out.. now i have slipped on that a few times but never bad enough to fall... so ill say i am a huge fan of the visibility but not so much on the steps.. maybe if they place em behind the dozer and completely out of the way of the tracks it will be a good idea...
Sweet design. Would be a great machine if: parts availability. Mechanic familiarity. Aftermarket part support/choices. No crazy electronic proprietary components. High quality metallurgy. Dealers all over.....
Where do the dozer arms attach? Best if they attach to the track frames. Maybe it doesn't matter as much on little dozers like that one. A very long time ago I ran our only non-cat dozer, a TD25, decent machine but poor support. Dealer and factory support from Cat was very good.
I like the idea, cooling in the back. This is not a big Dozer, it's rather small, 8 -10 T. When it's big you need sprocket high, out of the dirt. Nice steps in back seems more like a office thinker and not a dozer driver. Steps has to fold in like a forestry machine. If made in Europa or USA it has quality that Chinese do not understand still.
The steps will last 5 maybe 6 hours on a typical job site,all the other enjineering is 10 years behind all your competitors,and this is a prototype?more like a cheap copy
Why does it sound like that dude is about to puke at any second? Seems like he went to a cheap buffet and got 4 plates worth of old sushi... and drank 2 liters of sprite. Let the man go use a trash can or something.
I seen you say in the comments this dozer is made in Poland.... please tell us what this specifically means since we all have seen more and more companies over the past couple decades who are nothing but shysters telling us things like "Made In USA" and here its only the Made In USA label that was made in the USA, or the box saying Made In USA but come to find out only the box was made in the USA (and no I'm not saying a bulldozer comes in a cardboard box), or like how the majority of the product was made in china but then only assembled in the USA but yet said Made In USA on it and we had to read through the fine print bs just find this out, and so I think you get the point for the SPECIFIC details we want to know Thanks :)
"Game Changer!" Whilst that title is invariably overused and misused, in applying it to what this new prototype has brought to the industry, it is entirely appropriate! How refreshing to see such huge safety advances as those afforded by the Blue Steps, Daily Checks, Operator Visibility and Dust Management System! It is very interesting to see which manufacturer developed, incorporated and launched these improvements and which manufacturers did not... Great coverage, excellent journalism and super channel!
This is a very innovative platform for a dozer. The only problem would be that it is built by Dressta and once it switched to Chinese ownership it does not have the best track record for performance and reliability.
Only thing this dozer is good for is maybe clearing snow, electrical over hydraulic always find there way to the down line not to mention probably has a stupid DEF system. If you can’t use proper 3 point contact climbing on the tracks you shouldn’t be running a dozer.
Similar to the Komatsu D 39 D 51 design but more radicaly refined. Excellent engineering with the radiator in the rear, like Euclid/Terex had back in the 60's/70's era.
@Jeff Schwab Hi Jeff, I think when dozers converted from cable 2 hydraulics most of the hyd pumps were front mounted, no one had the accessory drive figured out yet. Euclid/Terex were quite dependable, easy to operate, if U could stand the noise of a screemin Detroit all day long. Mabe that's why a lot of the old "Cat Skinners" drank a lot, A?
Let me guess...it works fine for a season then requires all kinds of special maintenance that can only be performed by the dealer parts swappers ...I mean “mechanics” ...bet ya 50 bucks the engine only lasts 500 hrs because of the wonderful new emissions standards 😂😂....want a machine that works? Get a D8K used
Iv been and still running Dozers after 50 years of being in the seats of history gone by to the present day . Thousands of hours & miles and I got one thang to say it's bullshit today electrical over hyd , slow and it's meaningless made for kids how never road a durtbike or played in mud , nothing more than a video game of the slowest. Impossible to get my grove on ,
Jeffrey Houston You could but then you’d be putting extra weight on the dozer just to balance the weight of the engine on the back. Why not just use the engine as the weight and move the cooling pack to the back as they have done to allow for better visibility.
I would fire your chief designer I've been operator for years if you want better visibility for operation put the operator right where you're front of of engine bay is located
They have the right idea but I wonder if the operator needs to be right near the front, more like a grader drivers visibility. Not idea for bush work but with a canopy would be fine.
This is what I know about Dresser becoming Dressta. When International went broke, they had Dresser Heavy Industries as their construction division. Then Case and New Holland joined in the fun and bought International. Now this new company had two or three dozer manufacturers as a part of the new company. Then, the Polish government bought Dresser heavy industries and the rights to produce the Dresser/International dozers. Even the dozer names stayed the same. Ie TD-15, etc., Komatsu wanted to learn how to make dozers so they bought 25% with an option for 25% more. Well, they learned how to make dozers so they didn’t need the other 25%, so they did to not option on it......they had what they wanted which was the knowledge of how to make dozers. When Dresser came to Poland, the manufacturing arm built dozers in Sta-Wola or something like that and that is how Dresser got the Sta in it-from the city where the manufacturing took place. Dressta never really evolved from the Dresser machines when the molds and such moved from the U.S. to Poland and then Liugong decided to buy the company. Things pretty much stayed the same for awhile, then Liugong decided to inject a lot of money. Dressta always had good components like Cummins engines straight from Indiana, ZF transmissions from Germany or Austria. So far, Liugong has kept those nice components. They are still made in Poland and use great components. Liugong is going from small to large models and modernizing the machines. The small dozers TD9S, TD8S, have Cummins engines, ZF transmissions, Rexroth Hydrostats that are the largest in the industry, joystick controls, etc., now Liugong/Dressta is redoing the 42,000 lb. class. Looks pretty nice. I sat in the one at ConExpo....lots of room and comfort. I sure don’t know all of the history of Dresser Heavy Industries getting owned by the Polish Government and becoming Dressta, but I’m pretty close on the general transaction bringing Dresser to Poland and becoming Dressta. Once Liugong gets their parts inventory in line as well as their service backup, they will offer a very competitive product. I do not think the name is up for sale. Liugong is a pretty well off company.
I have wondered about that but I think Jim gave a good explanation. I worked for a komatsu dealer and would get stuck with working on one of their dresser dozers with komatsu labels. I had a hard time explaining to the owner about whats wrong with it because there was no service info by komatsu. I had to wing it a lot and wound up replacing the engine,trans,2speed diff and a final drive. It was a TD20 but komatsu named it D87E.
fail stairs gone radiator pierced from trees when goeing back front glass 3 minits on clearing yob ... cilinder near caterpilar and mesh near it gone too in week ... i dont want to use this dozer.
I would ask, who got the Aussie Dontent Media salesman so upset, he acts and looks like he is ready to rumble in the ring with anyone who will oblige him, bar none, size of opponents no limit, number of opponents no limit, he just wants to get it on and rip someone head off !!! The dozer itself is very smart looking in style. Albeit, it also looks to be way too lean in bulk size and power to use 3 x 3' rippers. I don't believe that it would ever make it in the Alaskan frozen tundra or in the shale laden ground of New England or any of a hundred other sites where dozers are used in the United States. I say support American manufacturers and our workers, there is too much equipment from foreign countries in the United States already, we don't need any more junk, period.
