Driver Harasses and Threatens to Kill Me Because I Won't Move Into his Imaginary Bike Lane 

Yup. America is a cesspool of f'in AHs. It's not going to be fixed in our lifetime. If you want to live a bike life, San Diego ain't the place, unfortunately. Cops are not going to help you. They're jerks themselves and may make things worse.

That’s why I don’t ride bikes. If my city had practically laid out bike paths (instead of just a 2 miles stretch on the outskirts of town that serves no real transportation related purpose), then I would ride my bike.

Sad that it has to be that way.

@@jojothetasmaniansassmonkey8866 bikes in car lanes are a danger to themselves and others

​@@heidilund6206 - Found the driver.

Thanks, @mariusfacktor3597. Officer Wilson told me that they can't cite people for infractions based on video evidence, and have to see it in person. I wish we had your laws, as well as the kind in NYC where people can film idling trucks, send it in, and get a portion of the ticket pay. If we had that for drivers who park in the bike lanes in San Diego, well, a bunch of us would be riding nicer bikes!

@@RidingBikesinSanDiego I've heard that if the police don't do anything, you can go before a magistrate.

​@@RidingBikesinSanDiego - We have the same "LEO must witness it" laws in Nevada. But now, they have cameras all over the valley, and live feeds to a hub with LEOs watching. There is another way, though. The LEO won't cite a traffic infraction, but you can press charges for threat and assault, and take the driver to court for that. If you genuinely feared harm or death, you may have a case.

Thanks for watching! I love how he goes off about how he has a camera, as if he's doing what's right by honking at and taunting a person on a bike.

@marmanukem1975 usually doesn't help. I filed a similar complaint against an officer and his 3 supervisors, because they all agreed "that's what you get for being out there" and "you're out here looking for it and that's why you have a camera." I swear that Ashley Neal has an in with the police in the U.S. LOL

I could, but I'm not sure what it would do. If a whole department is car-brained, I'm on my own.

​@@RidingBikesinSanDiego just keep going up the chain communicating the officers lack of interest in enforcing the law until someones boss makes someone do something

He might as well have asked me what I was wearing. Officer Williams was also not away of the passage of AB1909. But why would the people employed to enforce laws actually know them?

From your comment to Office Wilson's ears, @ddrhazy

the term menacing sounds so funny. Glad there is a law on the books about that though.

I don't know who has jurisdiction where; I do know that Officer Wilson told me the guy wasn't being that aggressive and that "I'll kill you with my car" isn't actually a threat, so what do I know

@@RidingBikesinSanDiego PBSO Deputy Snow said that I can go around pointing at and telling just anyone that, "I'll kill your dumbass" and it was just fine. He did NOT like me putting my finger in his chest and telling it to him :) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3i_oLVgJKZM.htmlsi=kJCEAvNPG2GAF4vN

@@RidingBikesinSanDiego I once called the police after being threatened with a hammer for keeping a lit cigarette from hitting me in the face. The local police have a vendetta against bicycles. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-JP3cinTmdxw.htmlsi=m33wN-LatCHsf14k

@@RidingBikesinSanDiego The reason I ask is because you said right before the truck appeared that you were entering the CalTrans area. So it's certainly possible Wilson didn't know or want to tell you CHP could/would deal with the issue. I'd expect CHP to have a much less dismissive attitude when it comes to aggressive driving. It might be worth an innocent call to find out.

The idea that someone on a bike has to be a zen master, or silently take the abuse of drivers is infuriating.

Even with this outcome, I do not believe that people on bikes should have to take abuse from drivers in silence.

A driver's misunderstanding of the road can only lead to harm. I, too, am glad I didn't die.

@@RidingBikesinSanDiego this is why people need to have mandatory drivers test every 5 years. specifically in the new vehicle laws implemented in the last 5 years. but that won't happen because driving is mandatory in CA. it's not there are youtube channels that talk about how to ride bikes in CA

I'm not sure who you're critiquing here. To be clear, I'm following the rules (though, not as politely as others would like) and this driver is shouting nonsense.

@RidingBikesinSanDiego no not you, dude, the guy in the 🚙 is who I'm taking about. 😅

I'm so sorry to hear that, @Crazylegs650. I hope the driver was arrested.

@@RidingBikesinSanDiego it was their first offense so they were let off with no charges. Even after the driver tried to pull the bike out from under the vehicle in an attempt to run. He is fine and back to riding but it’s not worth it.

Thanks, @jmrandom194. I appreciate the question. A driver has to change lanes before the pass, because they can kill a cyclist. I don't have to change lanes, and my position at the second light is on the line between the straight lane and the turning lane, and once I cross the intersection, I'm in a painted bike lane up the hill.

The worst part is that we end up at that next red, which is exactly where we would have been if we'd ridden & driven peacefully. Absolutely nothing was gained, except frustration, anxiety, and fear.

I hear you, @JesseSkwierawski. I think it set me off in a different way because I was slowing for the red, which is an unusual time for someone to honk. I've come to expect it more on some straight-ways. His chirping from the start, telling me to move over, was also where we were after the horn.

In a perfect world...

@@RidingBikesinSanDiego Just be careful out there. Smile, wave, be nice, and politely educate. You getting that stirred up is going to lead to having a bad time. Or help lead to another cyclist having a bad time down the road due to your escalation with drivers.

The sidewalk, in this case, isn't safer than keeping the lane and going straight, as the sidewalk cuts over the cars accelerating to get on the freeway. Also, once over the bridge, the sidewalk has all kinds of obstructions built into it that a bike can't easily get by.

You write this as if my actions make a difference to him. If I were silent, I would bet he would have done the same thing. Turns out angry men don't like to be ignored either. Please keep the blame firmly where it belongs. I am not responsible for every driver's fragility.

@@RidingBikesinSanDiego your letting this keep going in your mind bro.

People yelling at each other in an intersection is equally distracting for other drivers , why aren’t people this angry about human trafficking and weather modification I wonder ?

You're making an excellent argument to get cars completely off the road. @gracesol9, Welcome to @TheWarOnCars

If it makes you feel better, people who ride bikes are more inclined to be thinking of "the common good," and I'd suggest that we can ride at the same time we take action regarding other large issues in our world. journals.scholarsportal.info/details/02724944/v91icomplete/nfp_ottcgiroiumb.xml

Thanks, @markguido9530. The camera wasn't on, but I had a guy honk at me a few days before this, and I gave a friendly wave. At the next light, he rolled down his window, leaned over his kid in the front seat, and must have said "f-you" to me 4 or 5 times. The only thing I said back was, "You talk like that in front of your kid?" Angry drivers are going to be angry, and I think it's misguided to put it on the people quietly using the street on a bike.

@aye54 Thanks, and you're right that I could chill. But I'd argue a few things. First, I never say "Fuck you," I say "You don't have to honk at me. You'll fuckin' wait." There's a difference. Also, who needs a gun when they're pointing a car right at you? People always say "what if they have a gun," but a car is a fine weapon. You can kill someone in the US with a car, and face almost no penalty at all...

I'm out of line because I'm riding exactly where I'm supposed to be, and not letting a bully intimidate me? Nevermind that he's factually incorrect. Nevermind that he's pointing a weapon at me. To put a person in a car on equal footing as someone on a bike is silly. But the goal posts are always moving in favor of drivers.

you have a bicyclist riding LEGALLY and a driver responding ILLEGALLY. i don't see how his behavior was "just as out of line".

@gandhisFlipFlops What you might not understand here is that horns are always aggressive. He doesn't have to use it, yet he does. But, sure, go ahead and blame the guy on a bike instead of the guy in the car. You mention a gun, but who needs it when one's ankle is hovering above the accelerator of a 4500 lb bullet? Every car is a weapon, and every driver is constantly on the trigger. There's no safety for people outside the cars.

@@RidingBikesinSanDiego That is a very subjective opinion to find horns in any context and situation to be aggressive. I think most people would have quick tapped their honk. Why open the window and yell just to hope you hear or look? work smarter not harder. Things and words aren't offensive unless you make them to be. Everything is in your control when it comes to your emotions and perspectives. You can get mad at an idiot flipping you off or you can laugh at them for example.

@gandhisFlipFlops Horns are inherently aggressive. It's an opinion that's wildly shared by people who ride bikes. In this context especially, right behind me to tell me to get into a bike lane that only exists in his imagination. If you want to keep making excuses for drivers, you might be at the wrong channel. Thanks for watching.

@@RidingBikesinSanDiego Why are you riding on the most left of the bike lane as possible btw just curious? Why not middle or right of the lane but as close to the cars as possible is it another opinion widely shared by people who ride bikes? I ride bikes myself and these things you do and say are making zero sense.

@gandhisFlipFlops Thanks for asking! In this particular spot, I stick to the middle or left of the lane because it gets me out of the way of the drivers behind me who are using this same lane to get on the freeway to the right. Sometime I'm to the left or middle in a lane to get out of the door-zone of parked cars. Sometimes I'm in the middle or left because the right has more pothole damage. No matter my reason, I'm riding where it's safest for me, and anyone driving behind me will have to wait; I'm where I'm supposed to be for my own safety, and according to the law. I hope all of those answers make sense.

You're hilarious, @idbruce

@@RidingBikesinSanDiego And why am I hilarious?

@idbruce Because of your comment that says you were on my side while I was being threatened and harassed, but somehow your ethical scale toppled over in the other direction when I don't stop at a stop sign (where no other driver is around for a block in any direction) in a place where I explain that I thought he was on the next block waiting for me. That's some moral compass you're working with there.

@@RidingBikesinSanDiego Somehow, I just don't feel it's the only time you have not stopped at a stop sign. Peace out.

@ianbruce3476 It's not always safer for people on bikes to stop at stop signs (which is why 12 states have stop-as-yeild laws). But don't let data get your way.

Like the driver here, you don't know what you're talking about. Thanks for watching.

Since you asked, and you're oBvIoUsLy interested in good faith: VEH 21200 Bike has all rights as drivers PC 422 Willfully threatens to commit a crime VEH 23103 Protection against Reckless Driving VEH 23104 Penalty for Reckless Driving (30 Days and >$220) VEH 21750 Driver must pass at safe distance VEH 21760 Driver must give 3 ft of space, and change lanes when passing (AB 1909) VEH 27001 Improper use of a horn (you can’t harass people with a horn. The US Supreme Court declined a case that challenged this just last year) Thanks for watching!

@@RidingBikesinSanDiego for our astute legal friend to muse... or more likely ignore 21200: A person operating a bicycle on a Class I bikeway, as defined in subdivision (a) of Section 890.4 of the Streets and Highways Code, has all the rights and is subject to all the provisions applicable to the driver of a vehicle pursuant to Section 20001, except those provisions which by their very nature can have no application. 23103: A person who drives a vehicle upon a highway in willful or wanton disregard for the safety of persons or property is guilty of reckless driving. 23104: Except as provided in subdivision (b), whenever reckless driving of a vehicle proximately causes bodily injury to a person other than the driver, the person driving the vehicle shall, upon conviction thereof, be punished by imprisonment in the county jail for not less than 30 days nor more than six months or by a fine of not less than two hundred twenty dollars ($220) nor more than one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both the fine and imprisonment. 21750: The driver of a vehicle overtaking another vehicle or a bicycle proceeding in the same direction shall pass to the left at a safe distance without interfering with the safe operation of the overtaken vehicle or bicycle, subject to the limitations and exceptions hereinafter stated 21760: The driver of a motor vehicle overtaking and passing a bicycle that is proceeding in the same direction on a highway shall pass in compliance with the requirements of this article applicable to overtaking and passing a vehicle, and shall do so at a safe distance that does not interfere with the safe operation of the overtaken bicycle, having due regard for the size and speed of the motor vehicle and the bicycle, traffic conditions, weather, visibility, and the surface and width of the highway. A driver of a motor vehicle shall not overtake or pass a bicycle proceeding in the same direction on a highway at a distance of less than three feet between any part of the motor vehicle and any part of the bicycle or its operator. The driver of a motor vehicle overtaking or passing a bicycle that is proceeding in the same direction and in the same lane of travel shall, if another lane of traffic proceeding in the same direction is available, make a lane change into another available lane with due regard for safety and traffic conditions, if practicable and not prohibited by law, before overtaking or passing the bicycle. If the driver of a motor vehicle is unable to comply with subdivision (c), due to traffic or roadway conditions, the driver shall slow to a speed that is reasonable and prudent, and may pass only when doing so would not endanger the safety of the operator of the bicycle, taking into account the size and speed of the motor vehicle and bicycle, traffic conditions, weather, visibility, and surface and width of the highway. 27001: The driver of a motor vehicle when reasonably necessary to insure safe operation shall give audible warning with his horn. The horn shall not otherwise be used, except as a theft alarm system which operates as specified in Article 13 (commencing with Section 28085) of this chapter. TL/DR: Trying to hit someone is bad. Bikes have the same rules of the road to follow as any other vehicle on the road. When passing a bike you must merge into the other lane of traffic to pass. Finally don't honk unless it is an imminent threat to yourself.

@rjlkc4668 If someone threatened you with a 5000 lbs piece of metal and you tell them to kick rocks, how does that make you an "asshole?"

Not a law, but honking at cyclists and speeding into a red light gets you nowhere where fast.

@@mariomcpokemon It is illegal to use your horn to admonish or intimidate. It's only for letting someone know you are there, such as a car backing out of a parking space who might back into you.