it doesn't mather which one they instaled when windshield would bend same on both (didnt look they expected that from video reaction), as it would still be week point, no triangles there to support it.
@@miataisalwaystheanswer1356 go with hard dog if you want to go cheap blackbird fabworx for expensive. Both are good but the bbfw is higher quality. I got a hard dog deuce and it's pretty good it's just safer for street use because it's further back than most other ones.
Eyes too blue he scares me. Like those color enhanced WW2 movies in the 60s.. he's gonna do something just evil any second now. Like... Drop a Miata on it's head
7th Knight of Ni. How would me being a millennial have anything to do with being to “young” or “sophisticated” to understand willy wonka I was just saying how I read it you should re-evaluate your life if you’re trying to bully a 18 year old on RU-vid comments about a roll bar
@@ueehurstonsecurity8887 In some rollovers, the style bar/"roll bar" will actually just fold forward and crush the driver, like the way a mouse trap snaps over a mouse's head. Google "miata style bar roll over" and you'll see a few examples. There's a white NA where not only the style bar folded forwards, even the tops of the seats are folded over as well.
I once had an acquaintance who had one installed with only the two bolts on the side screwed in and the bar could be pivoted by hand. I pointed that out to him and he fixed it pretty quickly.
@@zacharytracy3797 I just bought a Miata, it has a style bar. It's held in by four bolts, I'm ordering a proper roll bar right after I deal with some other issues it has
I mean the bar worked fine the first time they dropped the car on it and only slightly bent after being dropped a second time when it was already weakened. Nevermind that it held up better than the windshield of the car which is what those rollbars are designed to do. It's not even a proper test because in a car that is actually all together a bar like that would have more support. Nevermind that having a rollbar is better than no rollbar at all.
@@Jaqen-HGhar did we watch the same video? The style bar provided no support just like the dummy’s neck and windshield. I’d say the bar they dropped the car on didn’t do anything. Even worse it could not hold the weight of the stripped chassis from a minor six foot drop with no other G forces acting on it. Huge difference between the back roll bar in the nice Miata versus this piece made from fused together coca cans.
@@iPlungerApparently not because the video I watched showed a first drop happening on the bar in the exact angle and direction that the bar "failed" the second time. At 14:13 the car falls sideways at an angle after already being lifted and guess what? It didn't didn't even flex (only bending slightly but enough to set it up for failure the second time) and despite all the weight going on one side of the bar. The only reason the dummy hit it's head was due to it landing on the tire. So then the second time at 16:43 the bar "fails" due to already being slightly bent from the first drop and it only gives somewhat in the direction it was already bends somewhat and returns to support the weight of the car despite the windshield caving in. Had the bar actually failed it would have bent as much as the windshield. The bar is still above the seat even after all that which my original point was that it's better than nothing at all and you can see they are trying to make it look much worse than it is by bending on it it as hard as possible after turning the car over right away but even the dude says that all the bolts are still in place (despite Zach trying to make that not the case). The second test is pointless because no one would reuse bars after a rollover and especially after they were already visibly bent before even starting so there is no reason to re run the test other than they didn't want to waste the video. Maybe if they had titled the video, "Do cheap rollover bars still protect you after an accident?" That would have been more honest but no. Also you used the term style bars which are a totally separate thing and literally say when you purchase them or if part of an OEM package that they are not rollover bars and will NOT protect you in the event of a rollover. So if they are trying to pass off style bars as actual rollover bars as a legitimate test that's even worse.
@@Jaqen-HGhar At 14:26, the windshield frame landed on top of the tires which prevented the roll bar from touching the ground. These types of cheap roll bars have limited points of contact to frame and thus less structural rigidity are very unsafe. There's no regulation for aftermarket functional and non-functional so if you are an amateur looking to modify your car, a cheap "style" bar and actual roll bar are both marketed as roll bars and it's very easy to pick the cheaper option thinking it will be effective.
I love the editing sound effects in these videos. I lol-ed when Zach hit the roll bar and the editor put in a smack noise. I love when he throws stuff and a crash noise and cat scream follows!
These videos are like the opposite of clickbait. I come wanting to see the difference between cheap and expensive roll bars (which would have been totally fine) and get a 2-for-1 car and fork lift drop. I love you guys
I finally subbed to the channel (even after watching for years) because of this show. Leave it up to Money Pit to keep me guessing on what each weeks episode is going to be! And that's a good thing hah
I’m just imagine how they’ve asked the neighbor: “Hey dude, could we borrow your forklift for a moment? We’ve just tipped ours over...” “Yeah of course, take it, habe fun... don’t kill yourselves!”
Welder/fabricator here - DOM tubing is awesome. However your description is inaccurate: the thing that gives it consistent strength in every direction is the fact that it is drawn over a mandrel and NOT welded. If you look inside a DOM tube, there is no seam. A weld seam like you get in normal, cheap hot rolled ERW (electric resistance welded) tube causes a difference in hardness and therefore strength along that weld in the tube. The DOM process eliminates the need for a weld seam and so gives the tubing awesome, consistent strength properties - perfect for a roll cage. Anyways, love the show. Keep up the awesome content! Super excited to see this Miata come together!
3 things I would suggest to anyone installing a legit rollbar that weren't covered: 1. ALWAYS make sure ALL mounting plates line up perfectly before drilling and bolting. 2. Also before drilling, make sure your soft top or hardtop will clear the bar and especially the soft top during the closing process. 3. You can get some vinyl trimming to make your interior plastic cuts look stock if needed (I hacked mine up with snips and the trimming worked like a charm). Other than that, this is a great look at what's involved in putting one on. And great to see the style bar tested, I swear everyone in the forums say to stay away from these 😂
The Rusty Wallace blow up cars in the background are legit. Imo one or the best racers to ever live. My neighbor was family with him so I got lots of autographs.
Damn, for some reason I thought they came stock with roll bars, thats kinda crazy how convertibles can be street legal with 0 head protection in a flip, yet pop up headlights arent allowed for pedestrian safety.
@@mtbsaga3063 Of course I didn't mean convertibles were illegal, I drive one myself! 😅 I meant the "0 head protection in a flip" - part, a.k.a rollbars, they're mandatory now and have been for quite a while.
Dude... oil based paint markers... they even have multiple colors. Easier to wield in tight spaces. Also great for marking bolts. Clean and tidy, fit right in the toolbox.👍
Also I wanted to add, when you were talking about the shapes of the roll bars. The triangular shape in the engineering field is called a "truss" it bring the force from a "face" of a shape to the connections of a truss. If you go into a large department store and you look up at the ceiling, you will see metal bent into a lot of triangles too!
I like this channel because it's a modern fun car fans channel. It reminds me of a modernized but still honest version of those car build shows that used to be on tv all the time back during satellite days
Some mx5s come standard with this type of "roll bar" Mine was one of them, in the UK we call them "Style bars" They aren't made to be roll bars theyre called a style bar for a reason, however, have seen a mx5 flip and have seen these type of style bars bend forward and crush your head, mine came straight off when I bought it, however my standard one was a lot thicker and seemed heavier then the one you bought :')
Heavier isn't always better. You can have a lighter but much stronger material. With the way it's mounted though, it's only as strong as the mounting area of the chassis.
@@steven9492 It means drawn on a mandrel. They take solid bar of steel and draw it throu a mandrel that makes a hole inside. It makes a pipe or tube seamless, and much stronger
You know, The funny thing is, I don't know Jack about cars. But I watch Donut. Simply because I get a kick out of watching Donut. Keep up the good work, guys.
The welder in me cringes hardcore every time Zach uses an angle grinder without a guard and without gloves, espescially with that 1mm cutting disk. Like yikes man. Literally one kickback, one misplacement, one shitty or bum disk and you're out at least a finger. Big ol nope.
I find it interesting how the miata went with a 600$ rollbar, but the Z's had a low of 2000$. Also, I would like to see you go into little more detail about installing the components. Like how did you calculate where to trim the pieces, what are the best parts to bolt a rollcage to and so on. Great episode, guys, thank you!
They don't mention this but I see Zach made the right choice in fasteners, which is super important no matter what you're mounting. Grade 8 chromates bolts and nuts.
Dude i did the same thing, with the exact same harbor freight stool. HF cheaped out on the metal and the joining process used to hold them together. Fortunately for me i’m a fabricator and TIG’d it back up at work, added 2 gussets too.
Osha is pissed right now i bet. They probably got an aneurysm watching you walk on top of a forklift which was on its side not long ago (16:00) lmao. So many violations, but hey, its not a work site so its legal 😂😂
