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Drum Teacher Reacts to Barriemore Barlow - Drum Solo
Garey Williams reacts and analysis Barriemore Barlow''s Soloing with Jethro Tull - Live At the Capital Centre Landover 21.11.1977
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@shaunkelly9860 3 года назад

Barrie Barlowe is the best drummer in the world, don't even argue.

@elbuchito2907 2 года назад

There is no argument cause he's really not.

@shaunkelly9860 2 года назад

@@elbuchito2907 Well, John Bonham thought he was, but what did he know?

@erosthespacesoldier1712 3 года назад

Barlow was the most incredible drummer I have ever seen

@ronnienose8608 4 года назад

John Bonham once said that he considered Barlow the best drummer England ever produced.

@zagyex 4 года назад

He was considered to be the only replacement candidate for Bonham... what he did on Thick as a brick is totally amazing (and underrated)

@rikk7041 4 года назад

Barrie also played on a Robert Plant album, no?

@johnroach3849 4 года назад

I read that recently and want to learn more. Loved Clive Bunker and his jazzy blues, but barlow and Glascock were great Together. Sad we lost John too early.

@MrClassicmetal 4 года назад

@@rikk7041 Yes indeed. And on Page's album Outrider. The first time I heard him was on Yngwie Malmsteen's debut solo album Risin Force, on which he did a very impressive job.

@rubicon-oh9km 4 года назад

I know alot of drummers are watching this but is anyone appreciating Martin Barre on guitar? Wow.

@machinehead5958 4 года назад

Love Barre's guitar work! One of the best for sure

@albinullanger7862 4 года назад

Totally. The man holds back, he is a BEAST! I was Lucky one to see him live in a club in Sweden. I got drunk and I thanked him afterwards and gave him my favourite ultex pick 🙈"Here man, I want you ta havve it, its the best i've got!" I can only hope that he took it as an act of love and respect... 😬 If you're reading this Martin, my respect for you is immense!

@nalbizo2 3 года назад

Martin is a very under-rated guitarist, probably because he is very much an ensemble player and not as much of a flashy soloist. But this music is really difficult to play because of all the changing time signatures and the precision required to pull it off.

@someoneelse101 3 года назад

I'm appreciating both John and Martin's playing here. Two players who make/made it look a lot easier than it is in reality

@conradotis318 3 года назад

pro trick : watch series at flixzone. Been using it for watching a lot of movies lately.

@markaldridge3321 4 года назад

Thanks Garey for covering one of the greatest and most underrated drummers of the 1970s, God bless Barriemore Barlow and Jethro Tull.

@jumpinjojo 4 года назад

mark aldridge Who underrated him?

@arunmohan9424 Год назад

The most underrated rock drummer of all time! I think he had it all!!! Rock and Metal drummers today have a lot to thank him for, without even knowing it. What's called the Portnoy roll today, he did it in 1977... what's called the Lars snare-crash, he was doing it already then... what's called the Dave Lombardo thrash beat, he was already doing it back then... Double bass and blast beats and everything... But in a much more subtle way... Pure class!!! I wish more drummers reacted to and reviewed his work. Masterclass!

@halcyon289 4 года назад

Barriemore Barlow = MAGNIFICENT

@sergioponti3195 4 года назад

am lucky enough to be able to call Barrie a friend. To me he's one of the greatest players to ever pick up the sticks. Some of you might have seen the video I organized for his recent 70th birthday, called "Barrie Barlow Birthday Brotherhood", where among other otherworldly drummers, Marco Minnemann plays part of this very solo on random objects!

@sergioponti3195 4 года назад

@@billyjoeboomboom thank you, Sir. It was fun putting this video together!

@stephenbrown7545 4 года назад

You are very fortunate...Barlow is a genius .

@magister8084 4 года назад

He is ""the greatest rock drummer England ever produced"" by the late great John Bonham. He was right!

@nobozos7444 2 года назад

He sure was.

@marcofabbri969 Год назад

Totally right

@northernlight4614 Год назад

Agreed. Even better than Bonham. So underrated!

@gibby6904 4 года назад

My favorite drummer anywhere..Barry Barlow...one of Tulls secret weapons.....? Always had great drummers....Barry was the best....and funny too!

@gj8683 4 года назад

Barlow's drumming on "Cold Wind to Valhalla" (Minstrel in the Gallery album) is phenomenal.

@nelsono4315 4 года назад

Barriemore is one of those guys that never gets enough credit. Exceptional drummer.

@nalbizo2 3 года назад

Probably because his best work with Tull like Thick as a Brick, A Passion Play, Songs from the Wood and Heavy Horses, had very little radio play. If he had the radio exposure of John Bonham I think the would be more appreciated as a great drummer.

@nelsono4315 3 года назад

@@nalbizo2 Passion Play and Thick are exceptional pieces of drumming. And I think I read somewhere that he did not read music. Learned all by ear. That is amazing.

@oneanddone7992 4 года назад

I saw Mr. Barlow perform Thick as a Brick, and the entire Songs from the Wood album, note for note in 1976. Aside from him being one of my top 5 drummers of all time, his playing that night 44 years ago was as remarkable as as watching a live Rush concert. Yes, he is that good.

@johnyohann6946 4 года назад

Ed Cassidy, from Spirit, was no slouch, either.

@oneanddone7992 4 года назад

@@johnyohann6946 My gawd, I have not thought of him or that band in decades. You're right. A very good drummer.

@paulyost3283 Год назад

John Bonham said the Barlow was "the greatest rock drummer England ever produced." I think that says it all! He was incredible!

@oneanddone7992 4 года назад

A wonderful example of the brilliance of Barriemore is on the Tull album, "Songs from the Wood", specifically the song "Hunting Girl." The drum part/phrasing/composition is brilliant, and his use and nuance of the China is exquisite.

@oneanddone7992 4 года назад

@@billyjoeboomboom Barriemore Barlow and the great John Guerin are some of the most under-mentioned drummers in modern times. Marc Craney would be another.

@frankmeenzen787 4 года назад

And it is NoLullaby from Heavy Horses and Dark Ages from Stormwatch! Three "Monster-Songs"!

@butuh13 4 года назад

Totally agree. But I also feel that War Child displays some brilliant drum set composition. I’ve never been a big double kick fan. But he makes it so musical.

@jpmerrick8886 2 года назад

Agree hunting girl just blows me away every time

@Mike_Jones68 Год назад

@@jpmerrick8886 agree that song just moves!

@frankmeenzen787 4 года назад

I had the pleasure live to see his solo Conundrum on the Bursting Out tour! He is really a killer! Hear the Intro of No Lullaby. Only that is even enough!

@monkeyspank6444 4 года назад

Barriemore B. was one of J.Tulls greatest drummers, I Found out about him from hearing “Aqualung “ which he did NOT play on, that was Clive Bunker, but soon learned that Jethro Tull and his drummers were some of the best Rock drummers ever. Because Jethro Tull’s music is genius, it’s played in a cleverly manner, the odd meters don’t feel as such. Barlow, Bunker, Perry, and Craney are definitely drummers that are overlooked in Progressive Rock. For those that don’t know , Jethro Tull was a Agricultural Pioneer in 1700’s in England which inspired Ian Anderson to name his band after him, and Ian himself is a very successful salmon farmer today.

@ronnienose8608 4 года назад

I love Tull's live album 'Bursting Out,' stunning playing by the entire band, and Ian Anderson is so damn talented!

@nickavenoso7851 4 года назад

Chris Manzi one of my favorites. It’s funny, on That Metal Show Geddy Lee was on one of the questions was who are the drummers that you would want to jam with and one of them he said was Barriemore Barlow

@omarazzaoui7223 10 месяцев назад

the best live album ever.

@waguin7042 4 года назад

Barriemore Barlow was the best Jethro Tull's drummer ever...

@SuperFlanders123 4 года назад

@Chris Manzi Mark Craney comes to mind.

@dudydude3287 3 года назад

Clive Bunker was also great

@SuperFlanders123 3 года назад

@@dudydude3287 That he was!

@sobellfanatic 3 года назад

I agree, but Doane was no slouch.

@SuperFlanders123 3 года назад

@@sobellfanatic True as well.

@m623 3 года назад

Still for me, one of the best live drum solo ever, his technical ability along with his incredible stamina WOW , even to play with Tull was challenging enough but to produce this in front of a full house was just incredible and beyond words, the come out is brilliant too. Barriemore THANK YOU . Also thank you, Garey for appreciating .

@shimwooley 4 года назад

Barrie is a pro !!! Everyone who has played in JT is exceptional at their instrument. That's how they pull off such great, and musically complicated live shows.

@Nissardpertugiu 4 года назад

What he did on the first solo Yngwie malmsteen record is so Stellar

@justingoulet9714 Год назад

I have been saying this for years the most underrated drummer His facility and imagination and expertise was mind blowing in Tull Thanks for the video great pick

@luisreyguerrero6511 3 года назад

Magnificent drummer!!!!.....Mr. BARLOW.

@rockyvannucci2964 4 года назад

Barrie Barlow , phenominal drummer, always creative. Still listening to Passion Play. Thank you for the review.

@DSM9 2 месяца назад

Drummer here. Heard about this guy. 1977. Sounds years ahead of his time. Needs to be checked out!

@arnieperez1186 4 года назад

I saw Jethro Tull in '79 and 80. Barriemore Barlow left Tull after the Stormwatch tour. One of my favorite drummers when I was a teenager.

@jagsjag5849 4 года назад

Makes it look easy. And relaxed. Pretty darn awesome.

@cheezruff 4 года назад

I saw Jethro Tull w Barriemore Barlow at 3 different concert tours. The Stormwatch show in 1979 with UK as the warm up band was killer- Danger Money trio w Terry Bozzio. Barrie was a masterful composer and performer on the drums for JT.

@the_nautillus9176 4 года назад

I was going to ask if you could listen to Barlow, but i guess you already did lol. So, try to listen to Jethro's first drummer, Clive Bunker, that guy is nuts.

@justgivemethetruth 4 года назад

what i really liked about jethro tull live shows was the amazing instrumentals ... like this song on this video, but so many others. renditions of classical music, or just the most amazing things that you could never hear on any album.

@JerryHawkins-rr3ry Год назад

I have seen Tull many times, and Barlow is SOOOO incredible to see and hear live. He is one drummer who IMO is better live than recorded. Barlow is just awesome.

@CactusTeether 4 года назад

Garey Williams - I'd like to congratulate you on your channel - you're historical knowledge of the players (obvious by your choices), you're passion and skill of the craft is evident (as shown by your demonstration and breakdowns) this is infectious, interesting and entertaining! Thank You!

@DrumsetArtistry 4 года назад

Thank you for the very kind words!

@genestippell1833 4 года назад

Thank you! Barlow is the best unknown drummer in rock. Barlow's first album with Tull was Thick as a Brick. Ian Anderson said he wrote Brick with Barlow's free flowing creative style in mind and brought his drumming more to the front. Listen to Brick and notice how much Barlow's drumming makes up the personality of the song. He is particularly brilliant the last 10-15 minutes of Side 2. album Barlow is

@David-uf8ex 3 года назад

Best drummer in Tull by a mile

@billstreett1939 4 года назад

I've seen the majority of these reaction and analysis videos and I have to say being a non-drummer and from a purely listener appreciation perspective, this is in the top 2 of the solos you've reviewed. Cool stuff!

@jamesgilgannon4164 4 года назад

I always remember Barriemore Barlow catching my ear way back in 77 from the live album Bursting Out. Loved the sound of his acrylic kit on that album. He is still one of my all time favourite drummers.

@peteanderson4395 Год назад

One of my all time favourite drummers... brilliant!

@raffinicoghosian8699 4 года назад

One of the best drummers ever. So underrated sadly.

@markcastillo2757 4 года назад

One of the greatest drummers ever,but not sure about this critique. What can anyone say negative about Barlow? He is one of best

@LuvWFT 11 месяцев назад

Barlow, one of my favorite drummers. saw them in 1980 I believe, Philly Spectrum.

@Michael-xw4er 11 месяцев назад

Thanks for recognizing his enormous talent. Always loved his drumming and so many people have never heard of him. Excellent drumming yourself!

@gingo21 11 месяцев назад

I stayed at his house once when i was a kid along with my family and i remember him letting me play one of his many drum kits...it was an absolute beast and about 10 times bigger than me at the time LOL

@rich7662 4 года назад

Nice review. Thanks!

@drumsanddrumming 4 года назад

One of two favourites Barriemore and John Hiseman

@slac1965 4 года назад

Great drummers, great solo, great band! I know other Barllow's solo where he played like a boucing ball with his feet.

@slac1965 4 года назад

@@billyjoeboomboom yes!

@daveledford5663 Год назад

Saw him in 79 sat above looking down fabulousr

@loucontino4804 17 дней назад

I actually divorced Tull's future work when Barrie left the band. Go listen to his ridiculous drumming on the intro in No Lullaby off Heavy Horses. I have no idea how his mind worked in relation to what he heard in music, but man he was incredible. And you couple that playing with the so under-rated John Glascock on bass, we were privy to one of the greatest Drum/Bass Teams in prog.

@alessiomanueddu1330 4 года назад

Wonderful

@eddieavakian 2 года назад

That was an incredible solo. Just wow.

@kidotai1777 Год назад

Funny, you mention the UK Jethro Tull tour as I saw UK with Terry Bozio open for Jethro Tull in 1979. I was already a fan of Terry Bozzio and went to the concert specifically to watch Bozzio play. Later in a modern drummer article Barrimore Barlow, complementing Terry Bozzio’s playing.

@midnight8ngel Год назад

I've been playing, performing and recording for 40 years. To this day, No one makes my jaw drop like Barrie.

@bmet47 4 года назад

Love a composition with many time signature changes!

@danamaguire4285 2 года назад

I saw that tour with UK and Tull in Boston and Providence. Fantastic shows. His playing was so creative for Tull’s music. My favorite of all of their amazing drummers.

@bandfromtheband9445 3 года назад

WOW! DO i ever need to pick your brain! I hope I've found the drummer I've been searching for!

@mvunit3 4 года назад

Holy cow! Not only was Barlow excellent, then you go on to say you actually saw "UK" open for Tull! DAMN! And then the Bozzio era! Bruford and Bozzio, 2 different planets right there. That Roto-tom kit was gorgeous, he has had some crazy kits over the years. Wish I got to see UK, I still listen to them on a regular basis (rest in peace John Wetton). Another great lesson Garey (for a non-drummer) . . . finally subbing!

@jgdmlw 4 года назад

mvunit3 Barrymore always blew me away. One of the best ever. I saw Tull with UK opening. I had never heard of UK and wow! Boy were they good. Saw Tull with Fairport Convention ( Barlow) Next thing I knew he was with Tull. Then I saw Tull with Eddie Jobson for “A”. Holy cow. Jethro Tull always had outstanding opening bands. Carmen was excellent, then the bass player was with Tull next time I saw them. He scarfed up the best people.

@scottflyger432 9 месяцев назад

Barrie's best solo IMHO is off Bursting Out in Conundrum. The music and launch into solo is fantastic as is the whole solo structure. A refined version of what you've watched. I also have to say that Barlow and Glascock were a blindingly good rhythm section. As others have pointed out his playing on that entire double live album is phenomenal.

@papalaz4444244 4 года назад

Tull are so underrated by many, it's a shame.

@goneshootin61 4 года назад

Playing flute in a rock band isn't all that appealing . Now you know why .

@goneshootin61 4 года назад

@Chris Manzi Not a fan of the ramones either .

@jumpinjojo 4 года назад

papalaz4444244 You must be high. They had a huge following. Any person growing up in that era knew who Tull was. Exactly what defines a rated band?

@marxter6 Год назад

UK’s Live Album with Terry Bozzio is one my faves!!

@martinmcdonald9575 4 года назад

With out dout another great drummer keep them coming garey. 😀

@bretttravis4698 2 года назад

Barrie is always fun to watch and listen to. I’d love to hear and watch Garry do a drum solo on his chest! That dude can rock. As far UK goes, Terry Bozzio is the bomb!

@anthonymontalbano1875 2 года назад

Enjoyed your video!!

@chrisegbertky 3 года назад

Great analysis!

@PaulNewport 3 года назад

Thanks for this Barrie is such an underrated drummer. His playing on Live Bursting Out was astonishing. Great to see his skill appreciated!

@TS-gn2wy 4 года назад

Been a fan of Barrie's for quite awhile. Another drummer worth noting who also played with Tull, is the late great Mark Craney. Mark also did work with Jean Luc Ponty, but is probably best well known for his incomparable creation on Gino Vannelli's Brother to Brother.

@fusionfan6883 4 года назад

I second that!

@TS-gn2wy 4 года назад

@Chris Manzi He might have. I only remember Bruford and Bozzio. The only reason I got excited enough to buy the first album was because of Allan Holdsworth. And I'm a drummer! 😁

@TheTruth-pl3mk 2 года назад

Great reaction and, of course, analysis of the brilliance from Mr Barlow. Subscribed on the strength of this one video. Keep up the good work!

@psychlos21 4 года назад

If you want to know about the early roots behind bands like Dream Theater, Tool, Primus etc.. you need to look at the brilliance of bands and artists like Jethro Tull, Rush, Zappa, ELP, Kansas.... These were the pioneers for what prog music is today.

@TheEleatic Год назад

We’re in fusion territory. On the edge-not planned out a year in advance like Peart. Mad as a hatter.

@toniedvardsen8169 4 года назад

I am not that into drums. I am more a guitar/keys person. But I must have watched ALL your reaction vids. Because your expressions and love for drums, are a blast :D I am impressed, and laughing my ass of, from how dedicated you are, and how well you know your stuff. Applause!!!

@bobbydale1938 4 года назад

Nice Gary !!! Your awesome !!

@waynecatalde3249 2 года назад

Thanks so much for doing this analysis of Barrie's solo spot, he's a brilliant drummer! I saw Tull on every tour between 1973 and 1980, unfortunately I wasn't able to see the Stormwatch tour. Barrie is one of my biggest influences, maybe we'll get lucky and Ian will do an anniversary tour for A Passion Play which Barrie has said he would love to be involved with.

@lphilpot01 4 года назад

Barrie really understood (understands) how to *use* double bass musically in the context of the song, not merely as a blunt instrument for bashing over heads of concert attendees. :-) That's part of it, but double bass has uses beyond raw power. Check out the nice little bits of double bass in "Quizz Kid" (from 'Too Old to Rock 'n' Roll, Too Young to Die'). Or feast on "Hunting Girl" for a while. Great drummer!

@SuperFreundt 3 года назад

I like very much to see you react at Jetro Tull Dharma for One live 1970 at the Isle of Wright. You'd Love! ❤

@markaldridge3321 3 года назад

Great post Garey, Barrie is my fav drummer anf very unsung in the drumming world. As you said way ahead of his time with his double bass work. Great drumming on thick as a brick, quite a task for your first album. His snare work is also amazing and musical, Hunting Girl shows his bass and snare work at its best. Thanks Odge UK

@robertcharbonneau2283 4 года назад

Barriemore inherited Clive Bunker seat. When I got to see Tull in 72, it was the Thick as a Brick Tour and I was expecting Clive with is double kit but there was this new drummer. From the start I was blown away, Barrie is really an extraordinary drummer but I still believe that Clive Bunker was a genius autodidact, unique and creative and drawing a big influence on me to this day. Eventually, after listening non stop to Tull, I got a little bored. My daughter used to call them Fruit Nut Carry Pi Put! I still listen to them though, behind close doors!

@nalbizo2 3 года назад

I think Ian Anderson's music was getting more complex, so he needed a drummer who could handle it. Clive was more of a feel player rather than a great technician.

@YtuserSumone-rl6sw 15 дней назад

@@nalbizo2And later Ian's music was getting more radio chart friendly and Barriemore didn't agree with Ian's new direction.

@YtuserSumone-rl6sw 15 дней назад

I heard Barriemore was a self taught autodidact. It was not just the songs and the band but specifically Barrie's super interesting drumming that initially hit the JT music deep into my brain and got me addicted.

@Ash_Hudson 4 года назад

I know you've reacted to Bonham once before, but could you please react and review him once more to the Achilles Last Stand live at Knebworth video here on RU-vid? He's doing really incredible things in it, and is really driving the song. There's an absolutely ungodly fill halfway through, too.

@johnroberts3723 4 года назад

I think barlows most outstanding work was on the albums thick as a brick and minstrel in the gallery, also the single rainbow blues amongst other great playing.

@justgivemethetruth 4 года назад

Dark Ages is a good one for drum, at least the into is amazing.

@johnbenson5129 2 года назад

On this day when another true 'Drummer Boy' Charlie Watts has left us, there is no doubt Barrie is up there with Keith Moon, John Bonham, Ringo Starr and the legendary Ginger Baker. Thank you for sharing. Cheers from 'down under' JohnB

@hermanhelmich 4 года назад

Thumbs up👍🏻

@kevinhodgson8508 2 года назад

Both Barrie and Clive ( before him ) were perfect for the Tull albums they played on and absolutely outstanding at the live shows they performed at .

@marxter6 Год назад

Clive Bunker

@mah38900 4 года назад

2:55 sounds quite a lot like 'Fireball' from Deep Purple

@samuelecallegari6117 4 года назад

In my opinion his best solo is the one on "Bursting Out", one year after this one. Better structured and cleaner.

@frankmeenzen787 4 года назад

You are right! I have seen that live in Essen, Germany! Unbelievable!

@nalbizo2 3 года назад

Agreed. This one had too many ideas crammed together. Amazing chops though!

@mlinderict 3 года назад

Yes! Conundrum was masterful. Sadly, I've never found video of it.

@andynelson8838 11 месяцев назад

Thanks…wonderful solo…this was before all of the cliche trip,ets of bass drum..etc..Clever,Monique solo

@tomtrana3449 Год назад

Also worth mentioning is bassist John Glascock, whose early tragic death ended his career.

@javierllerena5756 3 года назад

Jethro Tull was the best progressive rock band ever.

@morrisanderson3180 2 года назад

Martin barre & barriemore Barlow were both essential performers for tull in the 70's classic period!

@ytnsanw Год назад

Rumour has it that he looks back on his time with Tull and feels that he 'overplayed'. Don't see it. I always considered BB to be one of the most musical drummers on the planet. Never put a foot - or hand wrong. Brilliant...

@MrGb1965 4 года назад

Check out his solo Conundrum on Tull’s 1978 Bursting Out live album.

@johnmayor2181 Год назад

Barriemore was an affectation that Ian Anderson gave to him .His name is Barrie. He can sure play drums though despite any affectation.😄

@emanuelefasanofasano3814 4 года назад

This Guy's COOL

@jagged46 7 месяцев назад

Spolu s Neil Peart , jedinečná dvojice bobeníků. Nejlepší. Dekuji za video.

@jamiebland2981 4 года назад

Thanks for reviewing my suggestion Garey, have you heard the version from madison square Gardens? It's even better, although sadly it's only audio as the transmission was the first transatlantic broadcast and they could only do an hour. There's some ridiculous single stroke rolls, and some lovely speeding up and slowing down sections between snare and double kick. Couldn't agree more with you in regards to his musical drumming in Tull, he uses double bass to accentuate phrases in the music beautifully.

@jamiebland2981 4 года назад

@Chris Manzi it's like so many of the lesser known drummers, some of them are far superior in skill, style and musicality, to the 'big names'... I find it very frustrating. Nobody ever mentions Lionel Hampton... But if you've ever heard 'chasing with chase' you'd be baffled as to why

@TheKitchenerLeslie 2 года назад

I knew he was good when I found myself enthralled by his drumming on A Song For Jeffrey. It's simple, but he made it interesting. Bonham had that same magic.

@DonII1980 4 года назад

Garey, you mention Barrie's double bass drum work... His footwork (among many other things) on A Passion Play is incredible!! If you get a chance, would love to hear your comments and reaction to the drumming on that!

@DrumsetArtistry 4 года назад

For now I am only reacting to drum solos. Thanks!

@fusionfan6883 4 года назад

Garey if you haven't already it would be great I you covered solos by Billy Cobham and Narada Michael Walden?

@TS-gn2wy 4 года назад

Love Narada. His work with McLaughlin and Beck are unparalleled.

@pavlossoultoukis4448 4 года назад

Need a Gary Novak video review. the one with Allan Holdsworth. Love you're videos big fun keep up the videos.

@DrumsetArtistry 4 года назад

Please send a link. Thanks!

@pavlossoultoukis4448 4 года назад

@@DrumsetArtistry can't find the one with Allan but this is a great solo allso www.drummerworld.com/Videos/garynovakchickcorea.html

@greggjohnson3835 3 года назад

Suggesting, listen to A Passion Play his drumming is a lead instrument as well. I would say one of Tulls best works.

@bruno-nw9qm 4 года назад

you should react to more king crimson, listen to the version of indiscipline they make on montreal 1984, it’s from an album called absent lovers, and also the new crimson, with gavin harrison