As an ex-student who still has anxiety and imposter syndrome, I would run my stuff through plagiarism checkers bc I had this irrational thought that I was plagiarizing something without knowing lol
@@misszombiesueVery true! I know when I write music (and my ex who wrote music even more than me had the same issue) I sometimes need to try and check that I’m not just recreating something I already heard.
Anxiety wins again! After watching this video, I think part of it was classmates saying they were falsely flagged for plagiarism, and I took that at face value. Maybe they really did cheat, and the prevalence of false positives was just a little exaggerated :P
I don't think I ever used any kind of plagiarism detection until I was a teacher. So it could be just my age showing. Funny though because I'm not THAT old, and just thinking about how my 70 year old colleagues are trying to deal with stuff like AI now...
I got paid $10 a test in high school to help the guy behind me cheat in math class. After I finished the test I would "examine" the test page by page very slowly high enough up so he could read it over my shoulder. Some how we never got caught and my parents were very suspicious of the new xbox 360 I got with my own money but also didn't have a job. Years later they told me they thought I was selling drugs. They were very disappointed to find out I'm just a nerd
@@ledocteur7701 ... one can obviously be relieved that they weren't selling drugs, yet disappointed that cheating was how they got enough money for an xbox. it's not even remotely farfetched -- like that's a pretty normal reaction to have to that scenario.
@@ledocteur7701 A bit of both. The most loving parents I could have asked for but still the same that ended me in therapy. Always funny to think they were 20 when they had me. I look at 20 year olds like they're little kids. So I understand the struggle. Just had my first kid at 30 recently
@@Sanguinello0s that's not too surprising to be honest, I've seen a good few people with almost identical pfps to mine I'll likely change mine at some point anyway because idk if it would really work once I start uploading my own videos
According to "The Study Abroad Portal" ancient Indian mathematics Aryabhat and Brahmagupta are widely credited for the creation of the modern number system. Should have cited them for all their hard work, just like any other great thinkers.
lol I once turned in a paper in through turnitin and was so confused why it had such a high plagiarism rate. Turns out someone else has my last name and they wrote a paper ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I'm gonna be honest, I frequently use a plagiarism checker to make sure I'm not accidentally copying someone without realizing it. It's 100% paranoia, though, since it's never shown up as plagiarism (yet)
@@XplodeonIt’s very easy to get accused of plagiarism and AI now even if you 100% did not use it. I regularly got marked down because my prof used a computer to grade us and it would mark my citations as plagiarism 😢
It also seems that if you can reverse-engineer plagiarism to actually do something new or something undetectably plagiaristic, you are basically extrapolating information the hard way.
It's the illusion of doing less work; copy and pasting + rechecking to be safe and all these extra steps sounds insane and is way more work than just writing when you really think about it. To the cheater though, the idea of doing the work is way more daunting than, y'know, cheating. I mean, people are attracted to shortcuts, just look at things like these 6 tricks to remove fat (doctors HATE him for this!).
in middle school i accidentally put a square bracket somewhere and my history teacher thought i plagarised it from wikipedia, was weird because it was supposed to be a creative writing exercise where you write from the perspective of a peasant so theres no way i could have, he immediately went "oh yeah sorry my bad" when i pointed this out
I was paid $100 a week to tutor an acquaintance who didn't care to learn, which turned into getting paid $250 to take the tests for them (early online college days). All went smooth until the proctored finals with Webcam. They "cleared" the room with a Webcam sweep before signaling me to come in. I sat opposite them, they'd write the question down, I'd read it upside down and begin solving while they wrote the possible answers (multiple choice), then I held up a card with the right answer. We had 90 minutes and got a low A on the final. It was fun lol
I am a former high school math teacher and I always had fun when students wanted to know how I knew they used Photo Math on their tests. They are so slick that you can't catch them during the test, but they have absolutely no ability to filter the way that they copy. They will just copy the exact format of the answer and solution method presented and were always shocked that they got caught. Also, sometimes they would be in an algebra class and PhotoMath would use calculus to solve the problem; they wouldn't even notice that this wasn't anything close to what we did in class.
My high school calculus teacher had the same problem but with Mathway. Right solution, weird method by itself is not strange. Multiple people "doing" it that way is what really got them.
That reminds me of a time I took high school physics (algebra-based), and I had taken calculus the year before. I recognized much of the algebra was secretly calculus, but clunkier, so I used calculus on an exam and was failed for it even though it was correct. That really soured my enthusiasm for physics and I stopped trying after that. At the time, I thought the teacher was mad I had used calculus instead of purely algebra, but now I wonder if he thought I was cheating XD It was never an issue with my math teachers, they knew I was always learning weird stuff on the side because I was always bugging them, and it didn't phase them when I brought some out-of-pocket tricks to an exam. They just warned me I had to do it the vanilla way during state exams.
@@ZedaZ80 He probably thought you were mimicking/copying a calculus based solution without knowing what you were doing. You should have talked to him about it and he should have said why he suspected you for cheating as well.
@@twistedelixir1795 Usually it is one person doing it with Mathway and everyone else copying and a weird error propagating, at least in my experience. Again, it is the exact duplication of formatting that usually gives up the copying.
i always ran my papers through a plagiarism checker because i’ve had teachers who’ll run it, and flunk you on the entire paper if anything flashes red. i tend to write papers in a formal and professional tone, and as such i’ve had a fair few false flashes.
From my understanding, writing in a formal tone is the main thing that causes false Chat-GPT flags. It wouldn’t surprise me if it also gave you plagiarism flags.
As mentioned, any half decent teacher would simply talk with you and ask questions about your essay to see if it came from your brain or the internet. Also, the consistency of your writing style is usually the biggest green or red flag for plagiarism (which is why teachers [should] keep previous essays).
I just realize that you plagiarized the wired thumbnail and I thought I was watching a wired video for 20minutes and was impressed that they went for an unhinged vibe. Anyways I love your editing and video. Great quality and interesting content.
I always ran a plagiarism checker. My school uses Turnitin, which was (and maybe still is) a train wreck. It would highlight common phrases, such as "how are you," as plagiarized. Some teachers just had a cutoff threshold, so even if it was a common phrase, it wouldn't matter.
my teachers would make us run it through turnitin multiple times until they realised that turnitin would start detecting our original essays as plagiarized from themself
I only ever self-plagiraised my own work in high-school. I just grabbed a paper on the benefits on exercise I had written in middle school. Now one would think that a paper I got a B on in middle school would be worse in high-school, nope got an A. Never got caught.
@@chainsaw_nightrider it doesn’t smell like pee. It is actually helpful to know its smell because it is not uncommon in late pregnancy for a woman to be unsure if her water broke. I’ve never tasted it, but sometimes there is a pretty good gush of it after the baby comes out or during delivery, or when intentionally rupturing the membranes with a plastic hook. So she may have gotten splashed in the face.
Getting th lyrics to yer own song wrong in th captions to make sure you weren't plagiarizing yourself makes up for the cheating you did when you were a student
The actual purpose of writing a terrible essay about banning abortion is that when you get a bad grade you complain to the campus’ TPUSA chapter that your English professor “cancelled” you so you can get in on the grift train
not a red flag, at my university we were told its a good idea to check because the AI might catch you accidentally plagiarizing but also may point you to being too similar to something else and so you change it enough to be considered your own work. this sometimes occurs when words dont have obvious synonyms and so your work comes off as similar to others.
Students running their paper through a plagiarism checker is perfectly fair. I do it usually for papers where I have to cite sources so I worry about quoting resulting in a high level of plagiarism since I really don't know how investigating for it works. Some teachers likely do just run it through a checker online and I do it just incase. Once it likely saved a paper of mine when I had no intention of plagiarizing but my wording resulted that way. Students that do outright tell the professor I used a checker are kinda dumb. Their perspective like he said is like huh why?
my favorite part of school is hearing my teachers rant or tell us stories that may or may not be related to whatever they are teaching which is why i like history so much and your content is a gold mine for this. i love it. i am learning so much even during the summer
Me and a friend were called up falsely for plagiarism on a programming assignment once. We had used similar variable names as each other and had both made the same mistake at one point. They did look remarkably similar, in fact if I didn't know better I would have said someone had probably copied the other's work, but I knew that was impossible. It was absolutely infuriating trying to convince our professor that it was coincidence. I was ready to take things to the head of department, but my friend was a little less stubborn and despite my protests decided to 'confess' to secretly copying my work. It was a lie as he had handed in the assignment before I had even started it, but it was accepted, he got a 0, and that was that. It didn't really matter in the end but it still makes me a little angry when I think about it all these years later.
He probably knew he would pass fine anyways and so much time had passed since he worked on it that he just didnt care anymore. Ive been that person who finishes everything immediately so i can attest to not even remembering your own code by the time the assignment is due. If something happens you just dont care anymore and want to get on with the class.
Update: I fell asleep right before the premiere and missed it. So here I am the next day, finally watching it. To be fair, I was supposed to have a meeting with my advisor Monday morning, and I was attempting to fix my horrible sleep schedule over the weekend. So in a backassward way, I was being responsible. Unfortunately for my adult ass, I got a text message from my school today saying they had to reschedule all appointments because of a power outage. 🤦♀️
"You plagiarized this video this thing was on a Redit comment."(Drunk English Professor reveals secrets of Plagiarism 2024) Citations used Drunk English Professor reveals secrets of Plagiarism. (2024).
I had a simple policy when I was a student, I don't mind you cheating on me, I even might send my assignment to you if you ask for it, but if you get caught.. That's your problem. One time, for a chemistry assignment I was asked by a fellow student to send them my assignment, they said it was for "checking" but I knew it wasn't so I just asked him to change things around and redo the word file so that's it's not too obvious. Comes a few classes and the teacher asks 7 of us to stay after class, I was confused and completely forgot about that assignment existence by that point. She says that we all have the same assignment, and asked who actually did it, most of them play dumb, say that they "did it together", whatever else there feeble mind can come up with. But as per my policy, I throw them all under the bus. I'm pretty certain she knew it was me, The others were all what would be considered "bad students", they barely listened, and barely knew enough to do the very guided experiments, and I was amongst the top 3 students in her class. She was a new teacher tho so maybe she wanted to see our reaction, or even gave them the benefit of the doubt ?
my policy is that I will never outright give someone the answer, if they can't put 2 and 2 together that is their problem and frankly they should not have that problem by now. I swear, half the time it goes something like this: "Hey have you done this test yet? I'm stuck on question 2" "Just use process of elimination" "I tried that already" "Uh-huh. So which of the four answers don't fit the criteria stated in the question?" "These three?" "There you go"
My uni auto checked our papers with turn it in. Somehow my dissertation came back with 0%. Now I sited everything I used and I didnt copy things (I was also guilty of reading some abstracts and using them as citations... My dissertation was on genomes and alignment and was like 20pgs so forgive me), but there is no way everything I wrote was unique, even subconsciously we copy sometimes. Ive just assumed its bs ever since
Oh, it’s the pinnacle of BS, but normally in the other direction. The average report is so thoroughly riddled with false positives that there must have been some kind of bug for it to return a score of 0%.
I used to write papers for people in high school. I wouldn’t tell them how much it would cost. I would write the paper based off of how much they paid me. That way everyone would at least get something. Maybe it wasn’t good, but it was something. And those REALLY needing a damn paper would have to pay up.
Aw man, I always scored well on essays and was always paranoid about being falsely flagged for plagiarism. I now know that would have never happened since my writing is fairly distinct. For reference, in real life people assume I'm autistic, and I'm pretty sure that shows when I'm writing formally. It'd be obvious if I used another person's words, or clunky from a thesaurus, so the teachers/profs would only have had to confirm I cited sources correctly. Properly formatting citations was hellish for me, so I'm super grateful for the tools that came out when I was in college for properly formatting them! Regarding self-plagiarism, I was researching an obscure computer science trick or algorithm (I forget which) to see it anybody else had discovered it, and I stumbled upon an article that described exactly what I was looking for. I was a little sad somebody else had already beaten me to it, so I checked the author and it was me from a few years before -_-
I really feel you on the first part, I have a relatively strange manner of speaking/writing (or at least I think I do) and I'm always paranoid that I'll be accused of plagiarism/AI use for using strange wording or manner of writing. Especially with AI, given that my university's AI policy is effectively guilty until proven innocent, I feel like my paranoia is at least mildly justified.
My autism when not focused on avoiding this situation will cause me to use overly technical and loquacious language regardless of audience. I've been asked multiple times if something is plagiarized and multiple times I'm sure I have been disbelieved; especially in later years at school.
@@callumh4991 I probably have a wider vocabulary than the average native English speaker, but the only place I've seen "loquacious" is in a thesaurus. I wrote two programs in 2011 that did essentially the same thing, but for different devices. Due to naming restrictions, I had to come up with a different word for "verbose" (the standard jargon for what I was doing). I thought "loquacious" was cool, so I went with that. Anyway, thanks for the nostalgia, I found the readme file and apparently that was my era where I used hearts for bullet points. I should start doing that again 😎
@@callumh4991 but also, I totally get what you mean, especially if I'm tired. It's part of why I prefer to type instead of speak-- with modern technology (backspace, insert), I can easily go back and edit something to be easier to read. When I speak, it's usually after the idea has formed, but before I've located the words, so sometimes I'll find a weird word like "heretofore" and then I have to go back and awkwardly amend it. That is usually fixed by waiting a half second to find all the words :P But that is a lot easier when I'm well rested and not in a stressful situation.
3:10 In fairness I did this despite doing all my work legit out of paranoia/anxiety. For a creative writing piece, I once got caught “plagiarising” from some anime fanfic and I’ve always been nervous ever since
My freshman English prof was one of these people who said she doesn't use Turnitin because she "can always spot plagiarism." After I submitted my first paper, she accused me of plagiarism purely on the basis that "a music student shouldn't be able to write like this." I was able to persuade her otherwise and got the score I deserved, but I was never persuaded that she wasn't a complete phony after that.
A high school teacher once suspected plagiarism and gave my essay 0% because he thought it was "too well-written." We didn't have plagiarism checkers yet, so he really just took a look and decided it couldn't have been written by a teenager. No further explanation, no opportunity to rewrite or prove my work was original. I was really stressed out and confused, but it ended up being pretty easy to appeal to the principal. I brought my outline and rough draft along with work from other classes to show that my writing was consistent. This was enough to confirm it was my own work. Worth keeping in mind that schools, including colleges, have procedures for these situations, and you can appeal an accusation.
When I was in 4th grade I plagiarized Villager News for my narrative essay. My teacher hadn’t heard of it because at the time it was pretty obscure and I never let my parents know that essay ever existed. This was before they’d even taught us the term plagiarism but at the time I still felt guilty about it. Even now almost a decade later I’ve still never told anyone about it and still feel guilty about it when I think of it.
my fave plagiarism story is from my first quarter teaching intro to comp during my phd. i had a student turn in the exact same essay for both his midterm and final project with like just a couple sentences changed at the beginning of each paragraph (just enough for it to be obv not a mistake imo). like buddy, you do realize I actually read these, right? and I keep them so i can actually compare the two. luckily for this person I did not automatically fail them and report them to the university but we did get to have a really fun conversation about how copying yourself still counts as plagiarism and how next time or with a different professor, he'd be having this chat w a disciplinary committee
Way back in the 70’s I wrote a paper on genetic engineering experimentation for a junior high class. In senior high I updated it. Then in college, I updated it again. Drew the line in med school lol.
Question about self plagiarism: let's say I wrote a paper on a topic in a previous semester, and was given an assignment on a related topic. If I really liked the way I phrased something in the previous essay and reused a phrase, would that be academically dishonest? Like obvious, a phrase or a sentence wouldn't particularly offend turnitin's sensibilities, especially if the rest of the paper was original work, but like, is it wrong from a philosophical standpoint?
Theoretically you should put quotes around it and cite it (so you'd have to put your own essay in your works cited page). In practice, almost no teacher is going to care if you're just reusing a phrase or two. We're really only worried about students reusing a whole paper and thus not doing any work for your class.
The self plagiarism is an interesting one to me, because I have never turned in an assignment from another class, however I have copied sentences or paragraphs from other things and then revised them to be more relevant. How far does it have to be changed to not be considered self plagiarism?
My favourite part of Turnitin is when it says my translation in a paper is similar to someone else's translation of the same thing. Like I should hope, there are only so many words that I can use without being wrong, and I'm not out here trying to radically reinterpret the word for grapevine in my paper on ecstatic cults. (Side note I do cite where I get my interpretations of words because it is ancient Greek and Latin and there are debates, but in translation sometimes synonyms aren't synonyms)
@PsRohrbaugh I turned on the 1 week free trial option on the patreon. Apparently patreon doesn't let you "gift" member status (probably to avoid people paying outside of patreon so they don't get their cut), but I discovered that there is a free trial option (which I think they only added recently, this was new information to me).
I had one of my highschool teachers tell me that the number one sign of plagiarism is when the Student uses a lot of long complex words or when the level of the complexity of their words is inconsistent. Basically if it seems like the student has a much higher vocabulary then a normal highschool student would have, or it it seems like the students vocabulary level fluctuates. When my teacher sees papers like this she'll take one of the big words and ask of the student if they know what it means. If the student doesn't then that's a red flag.
I have in fact had a Plagiarism Checker as a mandatory part of turning in a paper for a college class, and you had to have the 'proof check' as part of the cover pages. I guess the teacher probably just wanted to save themselves a step.
just last year during my freshman year of undergrad I had a groupchat with 3 other people for my political theory class, i get called in for my essay and my prof tells me my essay is an almost exact match with another students. this girl was the only one not to send her own essay to the groupchat and she copied my entire essay, thankfully i could show my teacher the texts but I almost shit my pants thinking I was going to getting a failing grade. I dont think anything happened to her, she kept texting the groupchat like normal, never showed up to class again, and i kept my mouth shut.
Honestly, one of my HS English teachers had a plagiarism checker when submitting essays. It was all one platform for submitting papers tho, upload check and send
Self plagiarism is the stupidest thing if i can work an old essay into something for a similar class that makes sense it should be fine. Like as long as you put in effort
My personal best turn it in score came from a lab report where the whole lab section had pooled our data for a nice big sample size (and the same had been happening with that same experiment in past semesters) and the assignment called for very specific statistical analysis. I don’t remember the exact number, but it was up towards the 80s.
If you are calling someone out and they use a plagerism checker to argue they didnt, then yeah, red flag. But just the act alone I wouldnt consider a red flag. Could very well just be checking incase the checker gives a false positive and they want to catch it before a teacher gets the wrong idea.
I just took a class that sounds exactly like the one you’re teaching and it seemed like the professor spent more time filling out plagiarism paperwork than grading the essays. If this was the quality of plagiarism then I feel bad for the guy(and you). They aren’t even trying to hide it.
I'm glad I was such a rube in college. I always did well on papers because I got my sources, put together my bibliography, and wrote the essay in harebrained frenzy from 11pm-3am.
Had a course in college, I think it was on cyber security, his essay requirements were pretty strict for citations. He required every one of my opinions or claims had to be backed by an expert, which basically meant most of my paper would likely have been flagged plagiarized because most of it was just quotes lol... which might not have been the best way I think, but writing wasn't my strong suit.
As a chemistry TA, I didn’t get to light anyone one fire but I did get to question my own sanity when students said you’d have to take 3000 tums a day for heartburn and were surprised when they found out they were wrong.
I don't care if "self plagiarism" is or isn't "academic dishonesty" because the material is learned, the work is done, and the assignment was turned in. After that, what's the point besides doing more work for your ego
My school pays for a plagerism checker for students to use and encourages us to check all our papers. I use it to double check I haven't missed a citation, and so that if someone else coincidentally use the same phrasing as me I change mine (it happens occasionally, there are only so many ways you can report on the same data.)
I used plagiarism check on my bachelor paper, because some structural elements have tendency to be flagged by plagiarism checks. But it was because the real human wouldn't check it at all, I had to pass automatic test specifically. I actually had stuff I just translated (manually) from the old military students book (I refered to it, so it wasn't straight-up plagiarism, but not the right thing to do anyway), but I wasn't really concerned about these.
