DT SWISS | Star Ratchet Upgrade | PURE SOUND| Double the Engagement | Comparison | 18T - 36T 

mike burton probably if you’d upgrade to a Mountainbike!

True That, had a blast with my Stache this week. But don’t get me started on upgrades for that. “New” bikes are apparently not allowed until I get rid of one I already have. Sheesh.

Hi Michael, Thanks for the tip! Will acquire the marine grease you mentioned.

Thanks for the tip. Will any marine grease do, I have lucas marine grease.

For the money buy the ZTTO knockoffs for 35.00 US on Ebay, try those simple as that :) if they don't fit, send it back, If they fit, keep them and buy the DT Swiss down the road when you want to upgrade again. I have the ZTTO 36t they work great.

my engagement dt swiss 54t cost 120$

Thanks Jose

Always use grease on a bearing interface, unless specified by the manufacturer. Grease has far better water resistance than oil. For DT hubs, the molykote grease is recommended.

Grease is OIL (Different viscosity's) + SOAP (+ Other ingredients), the soap is what 'STICKS' the grease to the surface. Most soaps are hydrophilic (Absorbs water) causing the grease to get that grey foamy look. Marine grease is oil + lithium complex with anti rust and corrosion additives that REPELS WATER. Boat trailers that load regularly that don't use marine grease in the wheel bearings....I don't want to be the person driving behind them down the highway. Anything on the transom, bottom gears or internals on a boat, this is the stuff to use...WATER is repelled by this product (Marine Grease) and is great on anything exposed to water. Works @#!%&! great on a bike and isn't over priced, repacked product (Phil Woods).

M DRUMMOND yes i had same problem with mine, clean all parts and put really light layer of grease, or you can use some thick oil

Ever so slightly more resistance with more teeth.

Price?

Increased chance of pedal kickback as the rear suspension moves.

You show me a Hugi that was made silent before i comment on that

what do you mean "sound increase"? Frequency increases, volume not.

Yeah the 350s are great hubs. For rims depends on a number of factors, type of riding, strength/weight, and budget . There are plenty of options. Alot of people I ride with use Stans and Enve rims.

Thanks!

A louder hub usually means more engagement, which is a good thing for technical climbs and just in general. Also because hub go ZzzzzzzZzzZZZzz

Drag will be much more significant than the resistance you get from friction inside a hub which is in proper condition.

Yeah

The angle of engagement for 18 and 36 are not the same, so it would not work

36 divides evenly by 18, it would just mesh every-other-tooth

The teeth on the 36t may be smaller in size vs. the height of the teeth on the 18t gear.

Set aside the theory, do the actual experimentation to know the result!

Try it out get back to us if all goes well lol

I'm using 36t ratchet without any greese for a long time and i dont have any problem. Sounds very lound especialy with the springs more loaded .chears

marius Aneci So, if i understand you correctly, i can twist springs a little bit so i can add more tension to it? (Springs that press ratchets into place)The hub will probably be louder then?

@@mariusaneci2634 how do you load your springs

Lies.

BS

Pivot Mach 429 Trail. I have the same bike and it's spectacular

It's because he took the whole driver out, not the cassette

Its look like the free hub not using threaded end cap.. the end cap is just an easy slot in system.. thats why the free hub can pull off together with cassette and no need to dissassemble cassette at 1st.. still the cassette can be dissassemble 1st if u want..

There's a tiny bit more resistance with 36 teeth when freewheeling and some people might not like the sound.

Jerome Anker It comes stock so you have to give them another 60$ for the kit.

By what this video is

Hello

On a road bike engagement doesn’t make much difference and it will just increase drag, more engagement is more beneficial in mountain biking

Yes but 20° of engagement 54t has 5°

ride it for hundreds km, let the grease evaporated and leave a bit of it, then its gonna make.good sound

Regrease it, that's what I am doing now

I believe those come with DT Swiss 350 hubs, so yes.

72 engagements per rotation with near indestructible bearings is best. Chris king all the way

You can do it if you have a DT swiss star ratchet hub. If you have a 3pawl hub, you cannot.

TRUTH SEEKER only friction is when you stop to pedal... So i guess don't stop pedalling?

Cordier Theuns actually if you stop pedalling you are probably slowing down so a bit more friction could be helpful..I dont like the horrible noise though....

better engagement, for technical mountain climbs its a serious upgrade.

I don't even notice mine unless I'm intentionally listening for it. Wind noise or my ear buds take care of any unwanted sounds generally. When I do listen for it, its kinda like music.

It decreases the distance your cranks turn before they engage the hub. This makes technical climbs, where you need to stop pedaling at some point then begin again, much easier. You don't eat up all of your pedal stroke before you engage your hub making for a more efficient power transfer. Your ignorance is ok, but the way you ask your question is not. You're condemning something without having any knowledge of it. You would do well to carry this lesson throughout all aspects of your life.

Also, no, other brands use other configurations of ratchet systems. Most use a pawl and ring system wherein the internal spring loaded pawls engage against a ratchet ring around the circumference of the system (e.g., Hope, Industry 9, Novatec). There are a few brands that are "silent". This is accomplished using a sprag clutch. Go educate yourself!

@@sickbassdrop I'm glad I have effectively moves a nerve in you with my logic. You see when someone gets so abrasive and defensive when mildly criticized and they throw a prebubescent tempertantrum, you know you hit the right nerve because, they couldn't logically debunk the initial point made. That said, culd you tell me, what system was the winner/winners of the XC racers been using for the past 10years or even 5 to make things easier. Since DT-Swiss rachet is so good that we gotta have it. Tell me are the winners using this system? if not, maybe it just ain't all that, have you thought of that?

​@@kay19833 I'm pretty positive that I answered the questions you posed in your original post. No nerves were hit. I was simply providing some education. I could have belittled you and told you to go look it up yourself or just insulted you and left it at that. I am honestly at a loss as to where you made the determination that I was being defensive. I would need a point to defend first, correct? You must be in serious need of conflict because you're really reaching to accuse me of throwing a tantrum. I'm convinced now that you never actually read my reply. Ok, I'll bite. The last 10 years of UCI XCO World Cup championship have been dominated by both Nino Schurter and Julien Absalon with the exception of Kulhavy, in 2011, I believe. The system and equipment that top pros use means nothing to average Joe riders. Nino Schurter could beat any of us with a Wal-Mart bike. But to answer your challenge Nino has run DT Swiss XMC (or XRC) 1200 wheels in almost every race for the past 3 years and he uses the DT Swiss 36 tooth ratchet system. Please, feel free to use whatever system you want.

@@sickbassdrop well said

why

lol, weight weenie!

Brand new ones are quieter to start with, it will get louder with more use. You could open it up and have a look and use less grease.

mine too the hud its not as luod as this :(

ride!

hi.from spain. please help with this. i have a roval cl50 in my road bike ,with Rear Hub: Roval AF1, sealed cartridge bearings, DT Swiss 350. its compatible with the 36t kit??thanks so much

Yes it is