Hey Dave, I beat your comment by 10 minutes. I'm 26 & in the USA, but I'd be more than willing to pay shipping!! If not I understand. Anyways, thanks for the excellent videos!
Sorry Dave, not in the Land Down under, but in the bit of land to the left.... However would be a perfect machine to make into a MAME cabinet, along with the touch screen panel. Would probably leave it as a red machine, but add in the front a repurposed keyboard to interface with the arcade style controllers instead. 12V supply for the LCD and machine, a SSD to replace the original drive if needed, a bigger fan to replace the screamer but keep the same heat pipes, and then turn into a mini arcade machine.
I have that same processor running as an "all-in-one" server/nas/firewall/accesspoint/router, it's one of the few Intel processors that, due to being In-Order-Execution is not succeptible to the spectre/meltdown/fallout/etc hardware security vulnerabilities that affect pretty much all intel processors nowadays. That said, it's really, REALLY slow compared to anything from the past 5 years.
Haha. Pretty much for the same purpose like me. Bought an Intel atom 330 board for that exact purpose. 2 ethernet ports. One for the external network upstream and another for my internal. Wanted proper separation between my internal and external network, not all packets flying around over the same interface. Only thing I gotta do sooner or later is dockerize all services I'm running.
Yeah, it's as if they purposefully nerfed it. Laughably small caches, horrible FPU performance. Not surprising for Shintel. If somebody wants to have a powerful yet not power hungry PC for such home server applications, people made crazy builds with e.g. Core i5 by underclocking and undervolting it, as well as even replacing voltage regulators on the motherboard.
@@RicoElectrico wow. I dread the day this box dies. The mobo I got with this CPU embedded, passively cooled is just great. Too bad Tyan doesn't produce any similar good mobos anymore. Got really lucky with that. Idk why but I waited almost three months till it got shipped.
IT engineer here. ASUS built a metric crapload of machines like this which were branded as EEE PCs. I installed dozens of them as thin clients for industrial control and also still use one as an HTPC in my living room to this day. It actually does have a quad core Celeron, running with 8GB of RAM and an SSD it handles 1080p video playback from a network attached storage device just fine.
2 GB is most likely the max memory. Intel limits the memory on the Atom processorrs, even the 64 bit CPUs. The lack of horsepower and memory really limits their usefullness. However, if you have a need for something lightweight, like a print server or whatnot, its fine. I have an old netbook with a 1.6 GHz 64 bit Atom. Its limited to 2 GB. I think there are later versions, that supported 4 GB max. 10 years ago, it ran Windows 7 - I forget the name of the version, but it was lightweight, designed for netbooks. That ran OK. It was a little slow, but usable. It was upgraded to Windows 10 upon release. It worked, but 2 GB of memory is not enough for Windows 10 and it was paging nonstop. Linux was more usable, depending on distro. Ubuntu and Mint ran better than Windows 10, but not by much. I ended up putting MX Linux on it, which is a mid-weight Linux distro. Its not snappy, but it is usable. I did install HaikuOS on it, which actually ran great, but it is not a particularly useful operating system.
4G, actually (and it is 64-bit). Modern Atoms are good for 64, 128, even 256G.. This thing is massive overkill for a print server, let alone a modern one.
I'm using Atom N570 based Netbook to watch this video right now. And (at least for this CPU) max RAM is 2G. Which is the most limiting thing in it. Even the potato processing power is not as bad as lack of memory.
Dave, If you don't want this for anything, I'd Gladly pay shipping for it. I'd love to use it as a little home web server! Sure, could use an rPI, but im partial to x86!
I have one like this called an EeBox. and use it as a little web server running linux mint. It goes great too! Mine has a 1TB drive installed. Now that it's setup, I don't have a screen plugged in, just power adapter and thats it. The net connection is via wifi.
You can do what I did and get yourself an older Thinkpad of the X series. Mine's an X61s, and because of the S in its name, it's got a ULV CPU and the whole machine, while running debian, uses only 10 Watts of power, sitting on a docking station with a second HDD in it's optical drive bay. These things are available very cheap or even free.
Pick up an atomic pi, they're around $30 or Seegal's suggestion is good too, I got a T440 thinkpad motherboard by itself with 4GB ram on board for $20 off ebay a couple weeks ago and it's almost 3x more powerful than the atom and not that it really needs it but an extra 2GB ddr3 so-dimm costs as little as $2-4. If you want to find the best deals I recommend searching by CPU, but anything past the 5th or 6th gen processors and the prices tend to go up, the performance not so much though.
Nice find! Could maybe work as a network attached PC for connecting to a surveillance system, NAS or similar. Also I'm guessing the reference thing didn't work because you weren't connected to internet, so the program couldn't fetch a list of CPU scores
@@gorillaau A D525 running pfSense is _tolerable_ for low-end connections, but it occasionally gets overloaded even at 10 megabit in my experience. On a gigabit pipe it's just hopeless. I ended up replacing my Jetway D525 with an i5 Optiplex - not sure offhand which model. I _think_ it's a 9010 with a 3470.
Pentium n5000s are pretty good for what they are, cool and efficient enough for what they do. If you're gonna use an atom you might as well use a fast ARM system
Damn it! Missed first suck of the sav! At no 56 this time. Yet another video from eevblog. I've been here since about video number 240 odd. Never missed a vid and have seen them all! Just great!
Idk what oz means. I’m from uk and I’m a 13 year old pc enthusiast. I love messing with computers like this and I would really enjoy this, especially during corona.
Could use that little board for many projects. Great find Dave. The atoms are really picky about memory, some even have a 2gb limit :( I was able to upgrade a old netbook to 4gb Ram and a ripper Ssd but it was never recommended.
1:37 I've seen the same laziness with a "Qotom" SBC that runs a newer Atom (Z3735F), but the lack of documentation on things like I/O prevented me from using it for a project I was doing, and when I contacted them about it, they seemed to not understand what I was talking about. Not only that, but it had a phantom touch screen, and the VGA output was some weird setup where it was translating from LVDS and I couldn't change the resolution it outputted at, so I couldn't use the little touch monitor I had, and had to use a larger HDMI compatible monitor instead.
I'm not sure an atom is an "upgrade", the best thing you can say is that it probably uses less power than a Celeron. Still, these devices can be very useful in the right application.
The Atom is definitely a step down from a Celeron. They were introduced to break into the sub $200 "netbook" market, and also ended up in phones and other embedded devices. The Atoms have lower performance than the Celerons (which are cut-down Pentiums, the lower spec than the Core series. TL;DR: Atom is the lowest grade.
I found one from a fire control system that had Intel Atom processor after working it over and cleaning it up I had a 1TB hd attached a 250 gig SSD for windows 10 and it ran Kodi and acted as a media center for a couple of trouble free years of entertainment for free... cheers and enjoy!
Thanks for the extra detail. I guess the small size, X86 compatibility and low power consumption are the remaining benefits of a board like this in a world of PIs. I wonder what the power draw actually was ?
Fun, but the TDP is quite high. I have a HTPC as print server with Debian on it TDP of 15 watts I believe it was VIA Nano U3300. But its 0.065 micron instead of 0.045.
It looks like the Lenovo Ideacenter Q150 I have at home, with two cores and four threads. Ten years ago, the Win7 task manager split the CPU graphs to 4 and I thought I had a quad-core CPU in my hands.
It's a neat little low power embedded industrial board. Weakest point is probably the primitive (900 series?) Intel graphics. Could probably just boot from the MicroSD card for the for low cost storage convenience and not waste a USB port. I recall seeing a Mini-PCIE connector on the bottom in the last video - should let you add a cheap WiFi/Bluetooth board or mSATA storage.
Just as a point of interest, motherboards are rather hit and miss as to whether the BIOS has the "Manufacturer" and "Model" set on them. I've installed plenty of Asus motherboards in computers (a good 100 or so at this point), and none of them have had it set. If running windows, open a command prompt and type: wmic computersystem get Manufacturer wmic computersystem get Model A lot of the time both will be blank. The only purpose those 2 settings really serve is for companies that have re-imaging software like Microsoft SCCM or Microsoft MDT where you can do 'thin' images, the idea is that the server has the 'Out of Box Driver' store on it, and a script running on the client during re-imaging sends the 'Manufacturer' and 'Model' to the server to do a lookup in the OOB drivers, the server looks up however it is configured (such as OOB -> Manufacturer -> Model) and returns all the drivers for the re-imaging software to inject into the image just prior to doing stuff. If you have a pre-built PC from the likes of Dell, etc... 'Manufacturer' will often be the OEM (Dell, Lenovo, HP, etc...) and the 'Model' will be either the motherboard model or the system model.
Isn't that a mini ITX form factor? But it has the RAM on the underside, so not by any standard. Anyways, Atom CPUs are sometimes even slower than Celerons. I also wrote under the first video that it has probably been upgraded, so not only the hard drive from 250GB to 500GB, but most likely the whole PC has been swapped out.
That would make a nice DVD / media center, light game machine emulator if you can get Win7 on it. It's not fast, so DOS games are even possible, but it can be useful. Get RAM maxed out and it can do quite a bit!!
All run from 12v supply and probably pulls 3 or 4 amps around 60W I reckon. I bet the HDD pulls most power. Unplug it and see what the difference in power is?
If the whiny fan becomes an issue, just slap a recovered heat sink on the processor (and one more for the Southbridge). Thermal epoxy, and you're done! Quiet, passive PC.
if you built your computer , then you're supposed to fill that in :D my all computers say to be filled by O.E.M. if i was not lazy i would do that... but meh...
Just a comparisation, a modern Ryzen 3700X has 511 single and 5321 multi... The 500GB Drive is the most interesting and useful thing, beside maybe the SO-DIMM
I don't see how a smallish spinning drive is very useful in 2020. Oh, actually, I repurposed one as a sander. Took the cover off and glued some sand paper on the top platter :D
@@benbaselet2026 its still very useful for example for a PS3 wich support any 3rd Party drive. Sadly not so easy to do for the 360. BUt you could also put it in an external USB3.0 case and go from there. Or use it for the WiiU. There's a lot you could do...
Probably lot of headers on it might give GPIO, D525 famous for that, so it can become badass Arduino (might be low voltage and sensitive to EMI, comparing with regular avr-ish arduino). Linux, gpio_ich driver.
Intel Atom, always a fun thing to mess around with, just gotta play some games from 2007 or older; check out the program Thottle Stop for some more performance. Replace the heatsink with a stack of pennies. ;)
More likely the manufacturer used an older embedded board, but when supplies of those dried up they went to the new same form factor board instead. more functionality, faster processor, but for them all they needed was the basics, which would be the cheapest board around. Kept the same XP install, likely a "not quite MS approved" one, or a version that accepts any key as valid.
Dave, "Celeron" is a brand name that Intel still uses. Just because it says "Celeron" doesn't mean it's old. These days, they're generally a step above Atoms.
Cool find, better than the Celeron you thought it was. By the way Dave, can you tell me if a solenoid motor has any merit and if so could it drive anything small?
Why the hate against Celeron? There are many current Celerons higher spec’d than current Atoms. This Atom (D525) was released in 2010 and discontinued in 2012. ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark.html#@Processors
Nothing wrong with that, had a lot slower PCs than that, don't think the one I am using is much better anyway, maybe a bit more memory and bigger hard drive, she running full gallop at the moment and heating the house doing it lol.
@@robertjung8929 lol I knew someone was gonna point this out as soon as I posted it. I was mistankenly thinking that since it is single channel that the frequency isnt double, realized my mistake right away but was too lazy to go back & correct myself
