I don't quite remember exactly the outfits that the emperor wore, and I think that was the point. Why would he wear something extremely extravagant and unpractical ? To show his importance ? He is the emperor. He doesn't need an outlandish outfit when he got a platinium plated spaceshit the size of a small moon. He is probably the most powerful individual in the movie, he can wear whatever he wants and what he wants looks like a pajama
The extravagance in the novels is a symptom of House Corrino's waning power. In past eras the dukes of great houses were awed by the emperor in a t-shirt, now they're miffed when he's wearing a solid block of gold. House Corrino has to appear visibly strong to mask their weakness, gilding rot in an attempt to hold onto their power. If anything, having him wear rather plain clothes in the movie makes him seem stronger.
Also his importance shows in the people surrounding him, in his transportation, in his portable palace, no need to dress extravagantly when you have a planet's worth of wealth following you wherever you go
Tbh that was my only disappointment when it comes to costume design, I was hoping the Emperor would look more over the top, if I recall in the book the royal house is described in pretentious terms with their golden throne and golden lions
You know it's funny you mention that... this morning I saw one of those big, black headed carpenter bees buzzing around my deck today and thought to myself that it reminded me of the harkonen combat suits
I was in love with the way Irulan looked. Haven't read the books but you get a sense that shes very smart and put together, humble while still embracing her royalty.
Something i love about Florence Pugh's costumes is how they evolve through the movie, she begins with nothing on her head to more and more "restrictive" head wears. In the last scene, she has what are basically prison bars accross her face, as the story brings her to one single role she must take: being paul's bride
I disagree with basic comments. The whole point of the basic dress (I think) of the imperial house is to show they have little worry about anything. Sorta the theory that those who have the most wealth tend to not show it off. I think the actual costume of the emperor was his throne room/space ship. That imposing structure. That giant silver orb was the real show piece
some of the concept artists for this film used the prokudin-gorsky 'empire that was russia' colour photographs of early 1900s uzbekistan/samarkand & bukhara to quite literally paint over the photos themselves for a few of the costumes seen.
First thought when seeing Irulans facepiece was that it looked like a chastity belt but with a silver chandler effect. Yet the chainmail somehow made it work as a battlefield piece especially since they can only use bladed weapons.
The Harkonen armor/envornmental suits worn in the desrt scenes in Dune 2 , seemed bulky and out of place - which I think was the point. The Harkonen were foreigners; invaders, not in sync with the ways of the desert. This was reflected in their bulky black fishbowl design that fully enveloped the head and upper body.
This was really insightful and eye-opening! I love how, after such an in-depth analysis with Princess Irulan's outfits, we close with a brief mention of the Emperor's mattress protector lol.
I'm so glad someone enjoyed all the different outfits as much as I did 😂 love that Robby the robot reference. And the princess was definitely the most fashion forward of them all 😂
3:48 you can find it in algeria too. It is called "heik". Nowdays it almost disapeared. You can still find it around ghardaiya. At the limit between the north of the country and the desert. My mom used to wear it when we used to go on vacation in the oued nail region in the 80/90's. But nowdays you wont find them in the north part anymore. You have to go to ghardaia. It was manily wore by women in the city. Not in the countryside. And in the desert, women wont cover their head and face. It was only the "blue" men. It was very interesting as a kid as according to the region, they wear very different clothes. Men also used to cover their head. They dont do it anymore in the north, but still in the south to protect from the sun. Some even cover their face. (Sorry for my poor english)
Thank you so much for such an informative in depth look at the influences for the costumes! Cool fact. the tattoo on Lady Jessica’s face is The Litany Against Fear 😁
Spot on analysis of the Harkonnens - they really ramped up the insectoid imagery in part 2, with the soldiers' beetle/beekeeper like armour and visors like compound eyes. All of their craft and vehicles too, the war vessels similar to cocoons or pupae, spice harvesters like mites, or fat buzzing flies like Rabban's ship. I especially loved the referees (??) in the Harkonnen colosseum scene, like a mix of Atlas beetle or Mantis, gimp and court jester. Absolutely captivating design.
I enjoyed these 2 Dune movies. I'm glad you made this video. I thought the princess Irulan outfits were a bit strange at times. One thing that really caught my attention was the hyper black & white scenes on the Harkonnen home world, Giedi Prime.
I am pretty sure Princess Irula's metal headpiece was made by Julien Dossena Paco Rabanne, but yes you are right it definitely reminds of McQueen's work :)
14:28 Yeah I actually thought the Emperor looked too plain, i had thought they could’ve added just one little touch of some kind of head dress/piece just to add a little more regality maybe matching Princess Irulan’s metal headdress... honestly that was my one complaint with costumes, Christopher Walkers forehead was too bare for an Emperor LOL
You’re the emperor of the known universe, arguably the most powerful person. Nobody is going to question you if you dress simply; especially when doing so makes you stand out in all the other opulence. At a word you can causally end the existence of a whole world. You don’t need to look the part when you are the part.
@@mmasque2052 I agree with you, that was my thought as well. He has no reason to show off because he already is the emperor. I did, however, also think that it may have played a part in hinting to his eventual downfall, he is old, plain and forgotten, nothing more than a simple outfit. A man that embodies both the plain, tired, and uninspired while also being in a position to currently do what he wants, with no need to show off with adornments, because he is recognisable in being.
The most interesting Harkonnen costume designs weren't the ones by the main characters in my opinion, with the exception of the Baron and his biomechanical medical support system. The ornithopter gunman with this fly eye-like helmet piece or the weapon's master handing Feyd his dagger before the arena fight, not even to mention those crazy mentat people performing some kind of religious ritual around a planetary control screen. The entire Harkonnen scenery was the stuff of nightmares and a completely amazing set-up for the villains.
Thanks for the analysis. It's really interesting that you zeroed in on the short time with the emperor. Quinn (and Dune mega fan) at Quinn's Ideas felt we didn't have enough time with the emperor. Interesting that this extended to the costume, too.
I thought Irulan’s metal hood was a Paco Rabbane piece or inspired by it but I definitely see the McQueen inspirations too especially the embroidered one.
Awesome video keep up the good work. Princess Irulan's medieval look is definitely inspired by Creative Director Julien Dossena's 2020-21 Fall/Winter Paco Rabanne Collection it features a dress with a almost 1:1 match of the chainmail dress.
@@Costume_COHonestly, I have seen more outrageous copies before, and they put their own spin on it. Ultimately, it's an awesome design that ended up being one of my favorite costumes in the movie.
Thanks for the great videos, as always. My observations: 1) warm colours are mostly reserved for the fremen, while the metallics, rubber mattresses, sleek velvets and leather are cool-toned 2) i initially was fascinated by irulan's headdress featured on the cover of the video while feeling that every other headdress felt awkward, unfinished or incomplete. Maybe they meant to convey that irulan failed both to become the empress regnant and advance in the ranks of bene gesserit. Little did i know, that my favourite look of the film (apart from lady Jessica's most elaborate veiled reverend mother costume) was almost entirety ripped off from paco rabane's 2020 ***autumn winter collection. What a shame, i really did expect the dune's costumes to be innovative, creative, previously unseen and out of the world (like star wars prequels, lord of the rings) .... And the costume designers just slapped some couture looks together and went for it! The most glaring and infuriating omission is that almost all costumes (except of the fremen) somewhat lack texture. The fabrics, metals and other details look as if they are made specifically to be as smooth as possible, so the end result looks like lovechild of uncanny valley and a statue. Only fremen are dressed creatively and with enormous attention to detail, care for the source material and real-world cultures. The costumes are almost visceral, if one can use that word, in their tactile properties, intricate layers, textures and details. Can't help to be sorely and profoundly disappointed with dune costumes for the second time 😞😢
Thank you so much for commenting. I love all of your observations. I didn't say it in the video, but I was really hoping for more. It's like they were on the right track, but they needed to keep going. I know that David Lynch's Dune gets a bad wrap, but I actually prefer many of the designs.
The entire aesthetic was basically taken from Villeneuve’s previous work, Blade Runner 2049, too. They’re drastically different worlds and cultures and you’re using the same design language???
@@Costume_CO seems from what I can see that this was a paco collaborative effort - Florence is quoted as wearing ‘repurposed/updated rabanne’ in some of the lead up promotional Dune 2 photography, so I don’t think there’s anything nefarious going on here. The first shots of her outfit were seen a year ago, I’d have expected to see some backlash if it was anything less than properly sanctioned considering its obvious derivation.
@@Mayakranhow so? Ryan gosling wears a sort of long shearling peacoat, other characters wear transparent plastics, sharp 80s cyberpunk angles - boots, all developments of a hypothetical earth based dystopia future. How do you connect an aesthetic thread between the costumes in these two films?
happy to have found your channel. Immediately had to go watch the "Alexander McQueen Fall/Winter 1998, Joan" and the "Alexander McQueen Women's Spring/Summer 2012" after watching this.
Thank you so much Kitten! I also learned after I posted this video that Irulan's mail outfit is a close replica from the 2020 Paco Rabanne collection if you want to check that out too.
The Emperor and Princess costumes are so underwhelming, that its kinda staggering, considering how well thought out the rest of the costumes were. The Lynch version did that one right, as the miniseries were way too campy imo, but it should be reasonable that the emperor and his daughter should project way more imperial ostentatiousness, at least when not in a private surroundings.
@@Costume_CO Hey! Loved your takes and the vid. The Corrinos were really underrepresented in Part Two, I kinda feel the hints form the first movie were a buildup that lead up to nothing. That is probably one of my biggest gripes with an otherwise fantastic movie. I truly hope Villeneuve will change his mind and release the extended version with some cut scenes, and I truly believe a lot of their scenes were cut for the theatrical versions, there are several clues for it. There is a cut character close to the imperial family, and there is even an actor who said how sorry he feels that his part was unfortunately cut out completely.
The Princess and the Emperor reminded me of old medieval royalty. Simple garmets made of quality fabric to indicate the age/faux austerity of House Corrino. Personally I loved the decision to portray the emperor as a sad old man. Such a great and realistic inversion of expectations!
@@alissasteele6266 I am completely on board with the emperor being portrayed as an older, tired, sad man, its not really a subversion of expectations, in the books he is actually incredibly old, but has been extending his lifespan with spice if I remember correctly. I just think that its just abundantly clear, if a little sad, that the Corrinos got the short end of the stick, not just with the costumes, but storyline as well.
i felt like irulans outfits should have been more elaborate and ornate, the only one I really liked was the armour one at the end but felt it could have been abit more whimsical and feminine like the 80s and 90s versions.
He's the next Oscar winner for direction, costumes, make up and visual effects at least ! because the performences were equally great, at least, and they deserve nominations for leading roles, at least... not to mention the music.✌✌✨✨
The entire movie is stunning. I've spent hours watching the history and lore of Dune. It's crazy to think that the book DUNE was more of an inspiration to Star Wars than Star Wars was to Dune.
I didn’t like the style they chose for the imperial court, it didn’t feel regal or imposing. Even the palace looked like that mansion that used to be a funerary home that Kim Kardashian bought some years ago. I’m not saying it was bad, because it wasn’t and you can tell that the costume designer and production designer did a lot of research and put great work into it.
Irulan's outfits just looked more ridiculous from one to the next. The inspirations look more regal than how she wore it lol. If her next outfit was a cow onesie I wouldn't have batted an eye.
Thanks Michael. It's possible that Paco Rabanne took inspiration from that diadem as I have learned since I uploaded the video that Irulan's headress was likely made by Paco Rabanne or the design team they did a replica of it: www.lofficielbaltic.com/en/fashion-week/paco-rabanne-brings-medieval-magic-to-the-fall-2020-collection No one has spilled the tea on that yet.
9:07 so just a thing o wanted to point out to not mislead anyone. that’s Berber/Amazigh language which is native North African. Not North American . thanks
The real question is where they're getting the fabric from. There's no evidence of plant agriculture so far and they also don't keep any animals. Is all the cloth traded from offworld?
That is so weird appa, I was thinking about this yesterday when one of of other viewers mentioned all of the yards and yards of gauze. I am not a book reader so I wonder if this is addressed in the books.
prob more wormskin? and the first movie mentions scant plant life n agriculture in pauls space brit documentary. and trees. but only a few....? dune 2 prob hints at plant agriculture? esp when stilgar n jessica are at the well. cant imagine theyd let the water just sit there uselessly, even if its dead ppl water
I agree on that emperor was depicted pathetic in the movie - why would other great houses not rebel against such weak buffoon? Why on earth did he arrive to Arakis by himself to talk to some savages?... Where was his elite army if some savages managed to pwn them THAT easily. The ending was wtf?! Why Paul was allowed to enter the flag ship so easily and walk out without anyone attacking, why emperor did not hide deeper in that MASSIVE ship? Why the ship did not leave? Where all harkonen at? Why there's no radiation damage after atomic missiles?
That "buffoon" destroyed House Atreides with the wave of a hand. He went to Arrakis with his legions of Sardaukar to find Paul Atreides. And also to punish the Baron for failing to kill him. The Emperor underestimated the Fremen, in numbers and fire power, he wasn't expecting them to blow up the shield wall with the atomics, which allowed the sand storm to block any attempts to board their attack ships and leave the planet. The Fremen attacked them from all sides, and hence Paul and his army were able to reach and storm into the Emperor's throne room. Some Sardaukar soldiers tried to attack but were wiped out, so the few that remained decided it was best to just protect the Emperor. The Harkonnen army was not in the Emperor's encampment, they were in the city of Arrakeen. The Fremen fought them off throughout the whole night, and ultimately reached the palace where Gurney killed Rabban. Since the events of Dune take place in the far future it’s highly probable that they've solved the problem of the handling and disposal of radioactive fallout.
Thank you for such detailed analysis! I am searching for the cultural/historical background/reference for the mask (metallic wire like material shaped as spirals) worn by the cleric serving Water of Life to Lady Jessica in the ceremony. By any chance did you look into that?
@@Costume_CO I looked for a shot of the scene in clips and BTS videos but to no avail. The best I could find is the second photo on a web page I describe how to find below. The details of the mask are not visible even when zoomed in. I could not put the link to the page, youtube deleted my reply everytime I included the link. Could you please make a google search for "RPF dune part 2 water of life decanter". It should find a page on therpf forum.
Hello, in the video you mentioned that berber or Amazigh people its from North America, but this culture its from North Africa. Where I live before the Spanish conquistadors, the berber or Amazigh culture was present in these islands, and nowadays can found many petroglyphs of amazigh o libian scripts, and many types of costumes that are too similar to the continental berebers. Sorry for my bad english, I'm canarian-spanish, from Canary Islands.😊
Heidi hi! Thanks again for your analysis and references. For some reason youtube does not allow me to reply to you on comment I posted last week. I was asking about a ceremonial mask worn by a character during the Water of Life Ritual. I finally found the name of the character: the Watermaster. If you could search for Keith Christensen's Dune Part Two Concept Art you can find visuals of the Watermaster and her mask.
There is some discussion that the mask is inspired by the ceremonial masks of Luba Peoples of the Congo. images.app.goo.gl/w3uzspHxDBactQJE8 I do see some inspiration for some of the costumes in Dune inspired by the Tajik women's paranja: images.app.goo.gl/N4WpuNaV45UQpjs78 Not sure about this one. It's a bit mummy like.
@@Costume_CO I find the mask in the movie a very tasteful interpretation of the traditional design. May be the mummy symbolism is intentional. Movie version of the paranja outfits without the colorful embellishments/trimmings remind me of upright fabric caskets.
Were the brand Hamcus still involved in Dune part 2 like it was in the first one ? It’s actually the reason why I watched the first one, because of Hamcus
@@Costume_CO Hi, I actually might’ve made a mistake on this… I’m sorry I can’t find anything related 🫣 But it’s a brand that makes post apocalyptic inspired clothes, they released a ss20 collection with some clothes called “Sandworm Hunter” or “Dune Raider”. (Kinda funny that it release a year before the 2021 movie XD) They have a very interesting storytelling, were each collections goes under a fictional post apocalyptic “faction” which are based on a made up planet with environmental challenges, that influences the way they dress. Reminds me a lot how the Fremens dresses. They designs are pretty out of this world, and prices not excessively high, because they have their own manufactory in China (Chinese brand) which allow them to reduce production coasts, and have larger pieces per collection
The costumes were one of my least favorite things about this film. The emperor looked like he was wearing a cheap car seat cover from Walmart. You could see puckered seams.. so sloppy. The “still suits” did not look functional. They look like paintball gear. Irulan was just ok nothing that special. I think Iris Van Herpin would have suited Dune so much better.
It is so strange, but they had a lot of Arabic influence but then the dude they hired to do the language in the film for the Fremen de-arabed the language when it's literally all over the cultures and costumes in the universe.
thank you dear for highlighting my culture! North Africans, especially Tunisians, are very proud of their traditions, language, and clothes! Tanmirt!@@Costume_CO
I felt the Fremen costuming was a TOTAL MISS....the Fremen are tribal people and their need of a messianic figure to unite and lead them reinforces that notion....and tribal people wear clothing that indicates their 1. Hunting skills 2. their warrior skills 3. their Clan or Gen affiliation and 4. their status within their tribe as a leader or whatever. NONE of that is depicted in the movie.,,,and if it had been, it would have helped the movie (not that this great movie needed any help) But those kinds of differentiation s allude to back stories for each of the characters whether they're speaking parts or just in the background.... Various tribes should have been delineated by differences in clothing type and color so we would get an image of people coming from all over, from far and wide, to follow the Mahdi.... To me, the Fremen looked like somebody bought a million yards of tan and olive drab muslin material and just wrapped people in it. they looked cookie cutter and not really thought out.
Thank you Manuel for commenting. One thing I was wondering after I uploaded the video, is where do they get all of the textile fabric from? They have no animals that I see, no crops on Arrakis. Are they imported? Is there trade?
@@Costume_CO I WAS THINKING THAT TOO!! HAHAH No climate for Flax for Cotton or for Sheep etc And on a planet with 200mph winds, they have those loose head scarfs with nothing to hold them on.... Even the Arabs use those double black rings (Igal ---so called by the Saudis?) to hold their headgear on Not in this movie AND there's NOTHING religious on the highly religious Freemen's clothing AND there's nothing indicating the worms which are such a huge part of their lives (you might expect worm looking lines being woven into the material or something)
Costumes in Dune 2024 are trash - dull and uninteresting, this isnt 110 century. When i look at emperor or his daughter or baron i dont see royalties or ppl with status, just some generic sci fi crap like in Foundation.
Yiu have committed a mistake U have talken about north America instead of north African when you have talken about berberian or amazighian characters... The Tifinagh
@@MaxwellBergen some qubecois would disagree with you. in fairness, they are a very distinct identity, even though they don't have a sovereign government of their own
