@@tronam the last one that that stood a chance. Its such a strange way to show how string Feyd is. Two drugged artreides members (purposeful to show how they are corrupted) and an old guy doesn't necessarily scream that Feyd is an excellent fighter. Its just a weak first glance at an audience standpoint
Monty Python indoctrinating modern cinema with their top tier humour decades in advance - like a manufactured comedy prophecy. There's a meta parallel here somewhere, I think... So glad this comment is at the top of the feed...
Can we talk about how satisfying it was when Paul “screamed” right back at the emperor’s mother reverend at the end of the movie? I’ll never forget how good that felt
That and the part when he basically told the emperor to bend the knee. My mind went straight to the Tim Burton Planet of the Apes movie with Michael Clarke Duncan as that huge silverback gorilla Warrior. "BOW YOUR HEAD!"
My mom hates Star Wars, sci-fi, and fantasy overall. She watched part 1 a few days ago and saw part 2 with me in theatres--she loved it. She loved the story, the implications, the feeling, and the character-building. I was worried she would walk out at some point, but she stayed until the end credits with me and talked about it for hours afterward. This franchise is really special.
@emiliesalazar2961 -- Indeed, Dune Part 2 is the perfect film for people who hate sci-fi and fantasy -- both cinema and novels. It's a three-hour-long, Dune-themed *music video,* entirely drained of interesting ideas and characters. Outside of getting the names right, nothing of Frank Herbert's novel remains. It's the triumph of spectacle over substance, nothing less than "The Feelies" -- straight out of Huxley's "Brave New World" -- barren of literacy and coherence. I'm glad you and your mom had a fun day out (cheers!), but there's not enough soma in the world to make this picayune dreck enjoyable to me. As a lifelong fan of "Dune," I tried very hard to enjoy the film -- to just shut off my brain and "give in to deliciousness" -- but after all of the stupid/senseless moments began to pile up, I just couldn't bear it; when the final credits began to roll, I thanked Shai-Hulud from the bottom of my chakra and beat feet out of the theatres, grateful that there was still enough daylight left for me to make something of my day.
Wait 'til you read the original novel, which is where it ALL comes from! 😁 The lore is actually much more rich and complex and satisfying than you can imagine!! ❤ Frank Herbert was a creative genius, which is why the movie is so good! 😊
You’re better off listening to the Islamic lectures about Mahdi and the anti christ and Jesus’s return. Dune took Islamic belief and made it into some fairy tale but Mahdi was mentioned by the prophet Muhammad.
Same here. After seeing it on Sunday, I texted two friends to have a 3 way conversation on the movies. I'm going to go see it again on Wednesday. I am totally engrossed in the hype and the movie.
22:37 Brian: I'm not the Messiah! Arthur: I say you are, Lord, and I should know, I've followed a few! Crowd: Hail, Messiah! Brian: I'm not the Messiah! Will you please listen?! I'm not the Messiah, do you understand?! Honestly! Woman: [pauses] Only the true Messiah denies his divinity!
I said it in my head even before Stilgar said the line. As soon as Paul said "I am not the Mehdi", I thought of the line "only the true messiah would deny his divinity" and then Stilgar says "the Mehdi is too humble to admit he is the Mehdi" and I thought, "ah there is is!"
Stilgar is the most tragic character to me. Even in the book there is a good line where Paul realised that Stilgar was no longer a friend, but a follower. The later books really show the damage the Atreides do to the Fremen
Yes. There are several character adaptations in this movie that differ from the first book, but I get what they are doing and I like it, because I think it is going to bridge their future character arcs better than the books do, where some of the personalities become different very abruptly from one book to the next.
As an IR photographer it was wonderful to find out this was the case. IR has a unique look when it comes to how it interacts with different materials. The scene where the BG walk out side and it transitions from color to IR was insane to see.
Were they now, interesting 🤔 I’ve done some IR B&W photography myself. It’s particularly dramatic for landscapes, where the sky comes out black and foliage white. I took a photo at St. James park near Buckingham Palace, and because there was so much green foliage and grass, the photo looked like everything was snow covered. A really cool effect!
Supposedly the lore explanation was that the sunlight on their planet takes away colour, which is why in the night scenes and indoor scenes it still looks like regular colour. I think there's a shot where the Baron emerges from indoors out into the arena grandstand and you can actually see the transition from colour to monochrome in real time on his body
The Harkonens may have been changed from the book, but it's another example of changes in adaptation that serve the story and honor the spirit of the original work. It's yet another perfect showcase of how one's environment influences the development of culture, worldview, and societal attitudes.
I think the book explains it that it wouldnt matter if he lost or won. The damage was done, he created a messiah for the fremen and the holy war was innevitable at that point.
No lol. The Freeman only wanted independence from off-world rule. However, they just so happen to sit on the most valuable commodity in the universe. They were content with letting off-worlders pillage the spice as long as they did not interfere with freeman dealings. Infact the movie NEVER really explains why the Harkonnen were so cruel towards the Freeman causing friction between the two. I guess the Harkonnen just viewed Freeman as vermin fit for extermination. Paul exploited the freeman to his own avail because he truly believes he was the Kwisatz Haderach and thus to save mankind from extinction needs to put it onto the Golden Path. The Jihad was one of the only paths he could see to do so, but will learn later he made a miscalculation with his prescience vision.
The Reverend Mother makes that abundantly clear when she telepathically told Jessica that "you of all people should know there are no sides." The Bene Jesserit had so many irons in so many different sides that they were playing both sides against the middle. Both Paul and Feyd-Rautha had potential to suit the Bene Jesserit's goals.
In the movie itself Princess Irulan says the same. A dead Messiah makes him even more powerful. If he'd have died there, none of the emperor's goons including himself would have lived
They should have mentioned Chani being Liet Kynes' daugter, because teal ribbon she wears is sign of mourning. And when she puts it back on in the end, she's mournig loss of Paul she knew. It was a great moment that you wold probably miss if you didn't know her parentage, or rhe significance of the ribbon from the book.
@@SimonBuchanNz Yeah, and obviously it in was in the script and cut during the edit. Another book easter egg - Feyd's daggers, one black and one white - one was poisoned, but the one that was usually not. Like, traditionally, black would be coated, but he would coat white, so his oponents would be more wary of the wrong hand.
Favorite scene in the film was him storming into the throne room and just stabbing the Baron in the throat while everyone watches knowing they can't do a damn thing.
@@zeroThreeSixHD yea same. There was something about his inevitable power that just made it so bad ass. Like, they took down the empire in a flash and that momentum was fire
A lot of small things from part 1 paid off in this movie in satisfying ways. For example, in part 1 it’s mentioned to the duke that the airfield is one of arakreen’s two weak points. Paul using this information to ambush the emperor at the airfield in dune part 2 was sooooo satisfying having seen the first movie just prior
Yes it's good to see a review by someone who gets the point: people are trapped by many ways into acting very predictably and following someone else's script. The entire book series is about an existentialist rejection of that mode of living. In the series people are continually forced into living creatively and intentionally in order to prevail. In the final books even the Bene Gesserit need to reconsider who they are.
I'm glad this movie doesn't have to go against Oppenheimer in this year's Oscars. Not because I'd want one to win over the other but because they're truly two of the greatest films of recent years, or ever, and both really do deserve to have their own time to shine at the Oscars.
Love the moment Paul reunites with Gurney Halleck, and says "I recognize your footsteps, old man." Referencing the end of Paul's vision when he first inhales the spice in the first movie. That forethought writing is rarely achieved in franchises.
Also referencing that scene early in the book/first film when Gurney berates Paul for having his back against a door and Paul tells him he recognized his steps.
@@ieatgremlins I suppose the best way to describe "Dune: part 2" is to say it was like watching "Rob Roy" on steriods and set in a fantasy or science fiction world, but still not as good a movie as the original, but only turn Luke Skywalker (Rob Roy) into Anakin Skywalker (the Mahdi of Islam). 156) Rob Roy (1995) 164) Dune: part 2 (2024) "Dune: part 2" is worth seeing. Denis Villeneuve stayed true to the book enough, in the sense characters can see it all happening as good or bad or good and bad and yet you as the viewer or reader can make up your own mind too. In other words, do you see this hero as worth it or not worth it. It's up to you. I was surprised Denis Villeneuve in "Dune: part 1" had the Fremen call Paul the Mahdi, as that was a dead give away that this whole thing is an Islamic end times vision. Frank Herbert did not come out and say it, but while I read "Dune" as a kid I knew the whole things smelled of T. E. Lawrence of Arabia joining the Muslims in World War One to be a leader figure of the desert only this was more Anti-Christ type vision of the future. I think in that sense it stays true to what Frank Herbert said, "I am showing you the superhero syndrome and your own participation in it." - Frank Herbert, speaking about "Dune." Now I see it from Zendaya's perspective; hence, I love the ending as completely open ended as to whether they achieve or don't achieve, but that many are for it as the dye is cast and some are disbelievers of it seeing the conflict is not over nor is any success guaranteed. In that sense it was brilliant, but it didn't crack my top 100 favorites movies list. "A Princess of Mars" by writer Edgar Rice Burroughs inspired many things along with the movie adaptation of the book called "John Carter" in 2012 by Disney, such as: Star Wars, Avatar, Indiana Jones, Superman, Dune, and writer Ray Douglas Bradbury with "The Martian Chronicles," which I read as a child. Here is where such things fall on my favorite movies list: 20) Star Wars: the Empire Strikes Back (1980) 21) Star Wars: a New Hope (1977) 41) Superman II (1980) 112) John Carter (2012) 121) Avatar (2009) 125) Man of Steel (2013) 148) Star Wars: Return of the Jedi (1983) 164) Dune: part 2 (2024) 270) Dune: part 1 (2021) The main reason for me to watch Dune 2 is to see whether Zendaya Coleman surpasses female actresses I loved in the past, which I don't believe she has yet. And to see if the vision of the Mahdi in his ascension can be depicted well. Denis Villeneuve delivered. I suppose movie three will be can Islam rule well? I doubt it in reality, or for depiction in the next movie, and I doubt the 3rd movie would surpass the 2nd. Zendaya is in my top 13 favorite actors based on the list below. She is certainly doing well for her career and I'm happy for her in that sense. 10) Spiderman: No Way Home (2021) 96) The Greatest Showman (2017) 164) Dune: part 2 (2024) 191) Spiderman: Far from Home (2019) 198) Spiderman: Homecoming (2017) 270) Dune: part 1 (2021) “I loved you, so I drew these tides of men into my hands And wrote my will across the Sky and stars To earn you freedom, the seven Pillared worthy house, That your eyes might be Shining for me When we came Death seemed my servant on the Road, 'til we were near And saw you waiting: When you smiled and in sorrowful Envy he outran me And took you apart: Into his quietness Love, the way-weary, groped to your body, Our brief wage Ours for the moment Before Earth's soft hand explored your shape And the blind Worms grew fat upon Your substance Men prayed me that I set our work, The inviolate house, As a memory of you But for fit monument I shattered it, Unfinished: and now The little things creep out to patch Themselves hovels In the marred shadow Of your gift.” ― T. E. Lawrence, "The Seven Pillars of Wisdom" Sting and the whole David Lynch "Dune" of the 80s was insane. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-aENX1Sf3fgQ.html
@@ieatgremlins In the book Paul has this conversation with Thufir Hawat not with Gurney. He is one of the important characters in the book but unfortunately we didn't see enough of him in the movies.
@@omercivanmert2499 I could have sworn it was Gurney but it’s been a long time since I read it and the book and movie are blending a little bit in my memory 😂
I liked the way Alia was handled in this adaptation. Though not ‘book accurate’ the spirit of her Bene Gesserit knowledge is conveyed through Jessica and Paul’s dialogue
There was some applause at the IMAX screening I attended, but the conversation in the hallway afterwards was extremely positive. This is definitely the kind of movie that people will go see multiple times.
My screening on imax was awesome, the people was so hyped, one guy screamed out “yeah!” on one of the scenes (I won’t spoil which one) and there was laughs during the Stilgar parts. There was alot of applause at the end as well. I loved this film, I want to watch it again.
I saw it in IMAX, by the time the movie started, just before the WB logo, I was a bit shocked by the Sandworm sound effect that I could feel it in my seat
Hope so. It deserves it. So far, it seems like it won't be quite as big of a success as people were hoping, but I hope that it nonetheless continues to have legs. I will definitely be seeing this at least one more time. I saw it first with family. Might find friends to go with next, and maybe if I find I have nothing better to do down the line, I might see it by myself (the difference between seeing a movie in a theater by yourself and with a group is significant).
It is the first group of films where I've felt could even come CLOSE to the cinematic quality of LOTR. If Denis can tie off the trilogy in a way as satisfying as ROTK, then i believe the dune trilogy will have rivaled or even surpassed LOTR.
If paul loses the fight he becomes martyred, as soon as he embraces the legend the empire's fate is sealed. If paul loses then stilgar and the feydakin would massacre the emperor, his daughter, and feyd before going out on their interstellar jihad.
Yes.Fremens were always meant to go to war no matter what happens.The only way that it wouldn't happen is if the other houses have excepted Paul as the new Emperor,which could never hsppen because of Bene Geseret.They were actually the ones who were running the whole empire .
The ending is definitely meant to be understood as a tragedy, but I get why he came to conclusion that the only way to come out the other side with the best outcome in a bad situation is to be the one to take the reins and at least have one hand on the wheel.
@@_Amit_Sunilspace travel is a common thing in Dune's universe. That's how humans got to Arrakis in the first place. Things get more complicated with interstellar travel (you need the Spacing Guild for that), but the attack that begins at the end of the movie is directed towards ships orbiting Arrakis. Nuclear missiles are extremely old technology, less sophisticated than some of the other weapons the Fremen used. Atomic weapons are quite common, but very rarely used because of a very strict rule: if a Great House uses atomics against human targets, all the other Great Houses will use their atomics to retaliate. Paul used his atomics against the Shield Wall, a geographical barrier that protected the city from storms and worms, so he dodged that prohibition.
Excellent point about rushing through the transformation of Paul. At that point in the movie I went from thinking "this is a long movie" to "slow down, you're going too fast".
As someone who's never read the books and only the movies. I was a little taken back but not surprised by the speed of his change after drinking the water of life. We saw how fast Jessica was sent off the deep end after her transformation, and the last movie he saw visions telling him how he would have to die for the Kwisatz Haderach to be born. Which is part of the whole "you'll die, and you may see" phrase. Point being I think the movies gave proper foreshadowing for the changes and consequences to come.
Unfortunately Denis has made it clear that the two films are cut precisely the way he wanted, and that there's very little "extra" material from either... but I'd love to see a master cut of both films into one!
One of my favorite details in the movie is how Paul wins the duel with Feyd. He uses the move that Gurney teaches him in the first movie, a stab from below when all the action is up top.
Was a really cool detail but in the book it was described that Paul stabbed feyd in through the bottom of his jaw and out the top of his head and compared to that the movies scene is a little lackluster
I wish the trailers didn't spoil the scene of the sand worms coming through the dust cloud in the final battle. That would've been a cool thing to see for the first time during the movie.
This is why you never, ever ever watch trailers to movies that you know you're going to see. Even one glimpse of something from the trailer could ruin an amazing moment on the big screen. I'm glad I didn't watch the trailers
I would have minded it less if there was actually more to the final battle than what we saw in the trailers. The worms coming out of the storm is basically a third of the battle and lasts for a few seconds.
11:55 I thought it was pretty clear that Jessica was always manipulating Paul and the Bene Gesserit, right from the opening scene with them having breakfast she's pushing him to use the Voice, and it's made pretty clear throughout the first part that she has her own plan to highjack the Bebe Gesserit's longer term attempt to make their own (looks it up) Kwisatz Haderach. Paul specifically complains about her manipulations at least a couple of times, and when Ledo directly asks if she will protect her son she deflects.
I don't think she necessarily deflected. She Said that she would do anything she could to protect and help Paul. Leto could terse by asking if the Bene Jesserit would help and protect him. That's what she deflects from, and with good reason, because she had no way of promising that considering she wasn't supposed to birth him in the first place. I think she absolutely meant it when she said she cared for Paul and would do everything in her power to help him. It's just that her idea of what would help him involved manipulating him and thise around him into going in the direction she thought was best for him. Someone can be a sincerely loving and manipulative parent at the same time because people are complicated and often misguided.
@@Tyler_W huh, I admit watching 6 hours in a row fried my brain pretty bad, but I thought she said something like "how can you even ask me that" to the first? I'm perfectly willing to admit I'm wrong though.
Except that's not the reason she had a son. She had Paul because she ended up loving Duke Leto, and gave him a son out of love for him. Jessica is not some evil schemer the way she's portrayed in the movie.
@@BL-mf3jp Of course everything’s subjective so your opinion is valid. But it was generally well received with a 71% approval rating on Rotten Tomatoes, based on 122 reviews. Hate to quote Wikipedia back at you, but Enemy earned ten nominations at the 2nd Canadian Screen Awards, winning five, including Best Director for Villeneuve, and Canadian Screen Award for Best Supporting Actress for Gadon. It was named Best Canadian Film of the Year at the Toronto Film Critics Association Awards 2014.
@@BL-mf3jpIt was weird, but I liked it. It is my least favorite of his modern American work (haven't seen his early French-Canadian stuff yet). Some people have the biggest issue with Blade Runner 2049. Great sci-fi movie imo, but I can see why some take issue with it as a Blade Runner sequel. Still very much enjoyed it for what it was. Shame it hasn't really done well, but I'm glad it didn't bar Denis from future ambitious opportunities.
Haha... well we'll see how people receive it... Dune Messiah is a hard left turn for fans who think Paul is the hero... Though I have no doubt the quality and the story telling will be superb!
@@charlottegerken4477I have a feeling Dune: Messiah will focus less on the weird stuff with the ghola and the Tleilaxu and more on the economic and emotional cost of the holy war, the plotting against him will of course be there but I think it will be more of a great houses last stand against Paul, Alia and the Fremen with the end setting up the children to continue the dynasty.
As a super fan of the book I approve of what they left out and sped through, because they spent the time to show they understood what Frank Herbert was saying about messiah figures.
Same. I've read the original novel about five times since I was a child, and have read all the other novels, including the ones published by Herbert's son and editor from his rich source material after his death. College courses have actually been taught upon DUNE. It is a wonder of creative writing. At first I was a bit mad at what Villeneuve chose to leave out, but I saw how well he captured the overall flow and essence of the novel. It works for people who adore the novel, and for people who never even knew about the novel, & my hope is that people will want to explore the DUNE universe more by reading the novel! ❤😊
5:20 after reading the book, Im thankful we got as much as we did, the book doesnt really speed run it, they kinda skip it, i know its not the point of everything, but the spectacle was awesome
As a lover of the book I actually enjoyed the movies more. Think of it this way, "Jaws" was a good book but the movie was better. I think Denis understood the book and given the tools he had at his disposal he made great choices. I can't wait for the third film knowing what happens in the next two books.
Yeah the book was written in the 60s and after the first book, shit starts getting WEIRD. I hope Denis nails the last movie and stops because he knows Children and God Emperor the shit goes off the rails. 😅😅
It’s an excellent film not doubt, but I really think it misses some of the crazier/abstract psychedelic stuff from their visions and even Guild Navigators going through space. It’s a little too clean and not weird enough imo.
@@dfchang813I could see him try to borrow elements of Children of Dune for Dune Messiah, but if thry continue to make this a franchise, the really weird stuff might be better suited as a miniseries.
I honestly haven't felt so entranced by a film in a long time. Even leaving the theater, I was still thinking about it and wanting to watch it again! I don't remember the last movie that gave me the same feeling!
I truly hope people will discover the rich complexity of the vast universe Frank Herbert built in the novels. ❤ They will really have their minds blown then!!
I clocked the visual of the Fremen torching a pile of Harkonnen bodies near the end, an exact reflection of Hark torching Atreides bodies at the beginning of this movie (and/or the end of the last movie?). A direct message to the audience: The Cycle Continues.
While I found both movies incredibly technically competent - Cinematography, Sound, Music, VFX - Most of the action pieces were excellent and tension filled - for the most part (Ending battle WAS definitely a bit odd), they (Both parts) just felt very "flat" for Me (Possibly some of the character portrayals): In particular NONE of the female characters are likeable, the Emperor never feels like the Emperor - more like someone getting ready for bed time - He might be Emperor of the known universe with a giant sphere ship, but his throne room looks like its something from a one man play. But perhaps it is in the editing that there seems to have some odd choices - focusing on meaningless or made up moments at the expense of a few more important missing moments (I believe that some were filmed but did not make the final edit). Still, DUNE part 1 & part 2 are definitely considerably better than most recent attempts at sci-fi epics (And most other movies for that matter). When part 2 finished at My theater, there was some sporadic clapping and that was about it.
Paul's transformation was not rushed. The vast majority of the movie was about his transformation. When he first arrived among the Fremen, he was intending to "fulfill prophecy"...he told Jessica the Bene Gesserit propaganda was taking hold but there were many who would need convincing. He started backing away from that as he got to know them and his focused shifted more to becoming one of them. Eventually he realized there was no other real option (Gurney's alternative wasn't feasible). So he decided to go forward with the "messiah" path. But the Water of Life DOES result in a sudden transformation. Just as what happened with Jessica - because (1) he now has the memories of all reverend mothers of the past and (2) the spice melange gave him clear vision so that he could see only one path forward. He said as much. So, no, the transformation made sense. What I felt was a bit rushed was the speed with which the movie moved toward the final battle and how quickly it was over. That did seem a bit rushed. It was still incredible and masterful, though.
Agreed. I agree with his point that maybe they should have explored what actually happened to Paul a little more. That and the final battle should have lasted a little longer. I also could have used another scene with Feyd and the Baron scheming alongside Princess Irulan and the Padashah Emperor. The problem is that idk what you could have cut instead.
You haven’t even seen anything. Wait until Paul becomes blind, gets exiled from the fremen, Duncan becomes Ghola, and Paul merges with a worm to be immortal
17:42 In think with Chalamet’s performance and all the build up (i.e. showing his reluctance to go south and talking about losing Chani), it’s pretty clear the water of life changed him into a different person. I appreciate Denis didn’t handheld the audience and just show what was needed to get the point across. It’s also more effective this way because it’s shown through the characters instead of explaining the lore. Lore is for the appendix in a book, and can and should be cut from the movie.
Definitely not. This story is a tragedy if nothing else. The Star Wars prequels definitely take even more inspiration from Dune than the original trilogy did in that respect.
I think Villenueve is taking a break to do a smaller movie first before going full swing into Dune Messiah or Dune part 3 or whatever they're calling it. Personally, I'm kinda sick of being "part 1" etc in movies even if it does work well here. I would have preferred part 1 ajd 2 to have been called Dune, Dune Prophet, and Dune Messiah. It would just seem kinda weird ti call the trilogy Dune part 1, Dune part 2, and Dune Messiah, and it might feel off to call the third Dune part 3.
Don't go too far down the Dune universe rabbit hole. It gets ummm... Weirder than your popcorn bucket. God emperor of Dune is as far as I recommend anyone go.
“It’s a white savior narrative” god I hate it when people fundamentally misread a text, and then proceed to get triggered and outraged over their own misreading… Please, just take the time to try to understand and reflect on this very dense 20th century literature classic before whipping yourself into a book-burning frenzy.
*TBPH:* People are *_SO_*_ easily _*_PLEASED_* these days, what with the absolute cavalcade of *_Dreck & Dross_* passing for TV-&-Film that's been rolled out over the past 2+ years. (* i.e. this ƒilm, while indeed _good:_ is *_not_*_ without it's _*_problems_* )
One of the things I love about this director is his respect for who came before. nothing says this more than the scene of the ants crawling on the ear of the baron after he is cast out in the desert. this is an incredible wink to David Lynch, and one of the most subtle things I've seen in a movie in a long time. 2049 also had quite a few of these.
Chani's role in the movie is both the best and most troubling for me as an avid long time fan of the Dune novels. I love that, in the film, she shows us why Paul isnt a messiah but more akin to Hitler whipping an avid, religious fundamentalist xenophobes into a devastating war. She is directly an in-universe stand-in for the viewer pointing out why Paul is NOT the hero... but in the novels it is clear that Chani and Paul will always be together. Irulan gets to be the wife for political convenience, but she we never share his bed, bear his children, Chani will always be Paul's true wife regardless of political alliance and she understands and accepts that. the friction between Paul, Chani and Jessica over this is such a core piece of the novel that the way Chani is painted as a jilted jealous lover at the end feels terrible to me. Still, a relatively small complaint for as wonderful as the adaptation was overall.
Chani from the end of this movie to the Chani trying to get pregnant so she can give Paul an heir in Messiah is a huge jump. I don’t know how Denis is going to write it in a believable way but he has earned my trust.
Agreed. I wanted some nod to “they shall call us wives” but instead the last shots of the movie are Chani storming off in a huff to catch the next worm back home.
Yup. He borked that one quite severely. I'm not convinced it's a better series of mistakes than Lynch and the original producers made. Needed to be three films or a TV series and completely faithful to the books. None of this fluffy. Good films, still waiting for a faithful adaptation.
No, I don't think Chani is being portrayed as a jealous lover. She feels betrayed. What I think the movie is doing cinematically and character wise, is set up Irulan and Chani as contrasting figures, which is a book thing. This movie did a bunch of that already. Part 1 started with Chani's narration. Part 2 goes with Irulan's voice. These two women have very different roles in Paul's life and the future. I want to see what Villeneuve does with that going forward.
I feel like the only thing that this adaptation missed is a plotline about whether Jessica is a traitor or not? It was my favourite part of the story and the conversation between Jessica and Thuvir is my favourite part of the book.
I wish the first movie had that plot line and more of the environmental themes, like at the dinner party. That would also have setup more of the politics we see in the second movie.
To the Atredies? She's certainly a traitor to the empire and at least somewhat to the Bene Gesserit - though it's pretty tough to tell what they count as betrayal, the squirrelly bints.
@@SimonBuchanNzin the book and the first movie there’s a plot line where the baron causing some in fighting between the Atreides. In order the successfully infiltrate they must distract the atreides mentat, because he so good at his job, so they mislead him into thinking Jessica is a traitor
i loved it, the third act is so strong and TC...his holds the screen so well with his face in the last fight he doesn't need words. Real work there, I hope he's remembered.
Question for book readers. Does Feyd Rautha also get dream visions? Because he said he had seen Margot Fenring in his dreams before, like how Paul did with Chani.
Yes he gets multiple different visions because the future isn't set in stone. He gets many different looks into the possibility of different futures yet choose one that kills 6 billion people
Been a long time since I read the book but I think no he didn't. I do like the change since it's as close to saying 'seeing the future isn't that rare in the setting' as the movie had time for and that's a huge misconception people have about it.
@@JeremiahTownsendMargot Fenring’s husband Count Hasmir Fenring is also a potential. But due to a genetic flaw he is a eunuch and can’t pass on his genes properly. In the books he is at the gladiatoral game with Margot and is well aware of her plans for Feyd.
My general thoughts - 1. this was way better than the first 2. I can't wait for the third, I wanted it to keep going. 3. i think Walken was miscast. 4. Stars Wars really took a lot from Dune, and looks like a way watered down version. I don't think I can go back to SW again
We can talk about Frank Herbert being progressive all we want, but the Dune saga is indisputably a "ends justify the means" narrative. The Golden Path that Paul sets in motion and his son -- Leto II -- oversees for 3500 years is one that ultimately saves all of humanity. This is accomplished by genocide and authoritarianism, and it ultimately works. Full stop. Dune is not a progressive, liberal story. It is a utilitarian saga about the need to do awful things for the greater good. I'm not defending this ideology, but there's simply no other way to read the narrative arc of Herbert's six-book saga. Yes, Frank Herbert wanted to communicate that we shouldn't trust charismatic leaders because his view of humanity was so dark that he saw no one as fit to hold ultimate power over others. They will sacrifice you to their ends, whether their intentions are selfish (Harkonnens) or altruistic (Atreides). Suprise...this is why we have democracy. Not because most people are smart and good, but because thousands of years of history taught of monarchs do terrible things. Even when you have an exceptional leader -- the benevolent king -- it's a historical anomaly, likely followed by generations of degenerate princes. The difference between the Harkonnens and the Atreides is that the Harkonnens do evil things because it brings them pleasure/power and the Atreides do awful things because they believe that these atrocities contribute to the greater good.
Saw it tonight in a sold-out theater. It's an absolute masterpiece, and builds brilliantly on the first one. As a fan of the books, I'm still in awe at how well Denis Villeneuve has managed to adapt the story - it's like he reached straight into my imagination, grabbed what I saw, and threw it out on the screen. As for the things in part 2, I love the direction he took with Chani as it feels more consistent and more of a build up to the Chani of the latter books in the Dune series. The slow, methodical march towards destruction, and people ending up pawns in the traps of their own making is perfectly in keeping with the book, and continues to demonstrate why Dune is such a compelling story. Plans within plans. Austin Butler as Feyd-Rautha was masterfully done, showing the cruelty, pride, arrogance, and nepotism that spills out of the book. The way the awakening of the pre-born Alia during the Water of Life ceremony was done was masterful, and Anya Taylor Joy is the perfect casting to play Alia in future installments, and to explore the horror of being ripped to consciousness prior to birth, and constantly fighting with the stronger personalities welling up from the genetic memory, while being overwhelmed since she had no ability to form her own personality ahead of time. This already moves in how the others through her are impacting Jessica, and I can't wait to see how they explore this area.
I’ve seen it twice now. And while I liked it, I found the first one to be more interesting and nuanced, with better writing to boot. Unfortunately part 2 didn’t live up to the hype for me. It was a beautiful looking if more conventional action Sci-Fi flic compared to part 1 IMO.
Oddly enough, I feel the same way about the book lol. The last 100 pages of the book had so much lore and plot crammed into it. Paul went from drinking the Water of Life and becoming the Kwisatz, had a conversation with his mother and Chani, and the narrative went straight to final act.
An absolute Masterpiece. There are movies and there are experiences. For me The Dune Experience is just another level. Cinematography: Hand him an Oscar. Sound/Editing: Hand them an Oscar. Timothy Chalemet: Give me best actor.
One blooper I noticed. When Paul is running to jump on the sandworm, he’s not wearing his goggles and then they magically appear on his face when he catches it after he jumps on it.
I love the director and his previous work (I’ve watched Sicario and BR 2049 multiple times) and yes this is an extremely well made movie. There’s just a few things that held it back for me for being that true of an adaptation. It just felt a little too clean and conservative. Show how addictive and psychedelic Spice is, show the mind trips of the Water of Life. Show guild navigators traversing space faster than light. My friend asked me why Spice was so important bc it’s not really shown! There’s a line about ‘hey you’ve had Spice in your food and it can give you weird dreams’ It’s a hell of a lot more than that. It’s future visions and never aging and mind tripping. I kept waiting for their experience with the Water of Life but it doesn’t show anything! That’s a major aspect of the plot as they see the future and change completely in the film. Those were major missing aspects as I shouldn’t have to explain to people why Spice is important. It’s not just a macguffin or a resource. Also I think Denis fumbled the Alia aspect. Anya didn’t need to be in this. Either have the kid be there or not. The Lynch version of Alia freaking out the Baron and others and even killing him was way more interesting.
I love Dune Part 2, but not sure I like some things as a Dune book reader, Chani change is a bit... different. The lack of the Spacing Guild, the lack of Alia, etc. They are ultimately minor things, but ya.
I liked the first film better. I did feel a lot was rushed in this movie.. One scene people don't believe Paul is the messiah, and it seems 10 minutes later everyone is convinced. The "I'll Love you forever" is followed 60 seconds later by Pauls (IMO) corruption by the Water of Life. I too, thought that needed more explanation. Not knowing anything going in, I actually wondered if Paul and Jessica were in fact villians. As you state it's more nuanced than that. But they are certainly not heroes or saviours.
Comparing adaptations, I do think the Lynch version handled Paul's water of life transformation better visually. Mainly Lynch's more surreal dream-like interpretation
You are pretty close with the prophecy but it’s even more direct in book. The myths the Fremen have are spread by the Bene Gesserit around most worlds, adapting it as needed, to basically allow them to manipulate any population should one ever be in danger, as well as priming them for rule by the kwisatz haderach(so essentially rule by them). Aspects are added by Fremen to match their own religion and locality, but that gets twisted by the Sisterhood to meld with theirs and make it vague enough and in line with abilities of Bene Gesserit and their kids to allow any that needed refuge to survive. Jessica fully knows this and exploits it to go beyond the original intent to try to keep Paul and Alia alive, as she wants Paul to be the KH. It would be like if the X-men were deliberately spreading myths about their genetic powers and a high level telepath so if any got trapped among humans they could twist it to protect them, while also trying to create professor X themselves via eugenics.
Dune 2 felt rushed. The relationship between Paul & Chani was like Star Wars prequel bad in terms of absolutely 0 chemistry. Would love to see an extended cut
Fighting scenes don't need to be that long anymore. We've seen too much boring stretched out fighting scenes already with the superhero action movies. Let's get back to good story telling and suspense built up.
Saw it last night in a 15/70mm Sold Out IMAX theater and the crowd was Well Behaved!! lol. Loved the movie. Loved the grandeur of it, the epicness, loved the scenes where the entire IMAX screen was filled. Denis Villeneuve is the premiere sci-fi director and possibly the premiere Director out right working today.
SPOILER, Paul AINT the Kwisatz Haderach. You must read through and past Messiah, Children of Dune into God Emperor of Dune. Paul realizes this in Messiah and does something rather brash regarding his legacy. The film was alright. A worthy successor to Part 1 and a nice mid entry in the trilogy. Which is a shame because the story of the Kwisatz Haderach and the Golden Path doesn't really take off till Children of Dune. I still feel that it would've been a stronger narrative as a Warner/HBO series ala GoT.
i just saw it on IMAX and i will never forget it. ive loved the book since i was 15. reread it countless times now. i didnt think it would ever be properly adapted to (two) film. breathtaking gorgeous cinema!
I was kind of glad they cut Aliyah's showdown with the Baron, it would have been very hard to have that scene take place in a serious movie, just look at the original 1984 film, having an actual child who's that powerful just doesnt work on the screen. And to cut it they cut her birth and subsequently Leto's birth as the timeline wouldn't have worked.
My girlfriend hates sci-fi and is not generally intruiged by large scale stories like LOTR, GOT, Star Wars, Dune etc. When we watched Dune 1 she was just curious, and then watched Dune part 2 in IMAX and her eyes were glued on the large screen. Now, I rewatch my favorite movies with her and she just gives shrugs and 2 sentence answers when I ask her opinions regarding the movie. Bruh, after we walked out the cinema we talked for 3 hours about the film. She was asking me questions about the lore of the Dune universe, she gave her own opinions about the characters, the visuals, I was even shocked that she appreciated the score of the movie (she never mentions the music in movies we watched), and she said she got goosebumps at some points of the film which she said never happend to her while watching a movie.
The city where i stay in India, the hooting, cheering and screaming happens during big moments in a movie. But Dune 2 was the first movie where the entire packed hall sat in rapt attention and clapped at the very end. Its a proper sign of respect towards a movie
