Sid to me was the one heel who always got the babyface treatment by the fans. Every promotion he was over and cheered by the fans even when he was playing a monster heel.
Yea its something that today is pretty common but back in the 80's and 90's it was rare. Sid was cheered, but not as a babyface. He was cheered AS a heel. They werent cheering him because they wanted him to be the good guy. They were cheering him because as a heel he was so physically dominating and intense, it gave you goosebumps. His facia expressions were 100% spot on. He looked half crazy and his anger face was some of the best facial work in the industry.
I remember being 5-6 years old and loving Sid when he was heel. When you're a kid there's not too many heels you like. Sid was one of them. He was just a big badass... I got pissed at Hogan when he pulled Sid out of the Royal Rumble. I never looked at Hogan the same way again.
@@spacesex710 i wasn't scared for the hulkster & i've been a hulkamaniac since '85. i liked sid as a heel, not a convincing face, though. after andre, it's pretty hard to be scared for the hulkster until he got old & his past injuries were evident.
Yeah. Probably the most monstrous looking of the monster wrestlers. Vader was pretty scary, and of course the Undertaker, but that insane, intense, spittling rants of Sid, and even when he smiled, wow. If you said that Taker or Vader were super-nice in real life, ok, that's believable. Vicious? Nope. Still hard to believe that he was anything but the monster.
I met Sid once actually on the softball field. Nice guy and a badass in Softball, better than Bill Gatti a Legend... A great wrestler and even better softball player. The Guy was a BEAST in wrestling and Softball... He was kind and respectful to everyone...
Brother you're going really deep on that comparison to Bill gatti in softball that was years ago I didn't know anybody even remembered that I'm 61 so I remember and was actually lucky enough to see him play here in Louisville Kentucky
I was always a big Sid fan. Sometimes his promos were a bit nonsensical lol but the guy had presence. He was a guy you looked at as a real like monster that got over as a heel because of how he looked. I also remember in WWF around 95-96 he was one of the first heels that fans started liking turning away from the squeaky clean faces and started cheering the cool heels.
The incoherent rambling really displayed the "psycho" character. That's kind of how I started looking at it as a fan. His mind would just be so jumbled on how badly he wanted to hurt somebody that he couldn't get his words straight. 🤣
Dutch is an intelligent man and a great interview. Theres a touch of humor in how his mustache moves as he speaks like that guy in the Buggs Bunny cartoons. Lol.
Great heels are always victims, damn he has an understanding of psychology . I instantly thought of Chris Jericho. On top of that with Did I truly couldn't tell if or when he was ever acting, he had me fooled I bought into Sid's character completely
i actually thought that about stone cold steve austin. dude had me convinced that he was seriously an arrogant prick back then. now i appreciate what a good actor he is.
My favorite Sid storyline was when he was trying to get an undefeated streak to match Goldberg which later became the Sid, Goldberg feud. But Sid would get this streak be walking down to the ring during random matches with referee Charles Robinson following Sid. He would power bomb both competitors the match would go to a DQ and Sid would pin both competitors as Charles Robinson counted the 123. Sid and Robinson did that for as I recall several weeks at least two matches a night if memory serves. Eventually Ref Charles Robinson began carrying a sign as he followed Sid to the ring that had Sid’s win loss record on it 7-0, 20-0 etc. oh it was great!
The story of when I met Sid around 8. It was 1995ish and The Undertaker was signing autographs at the local Kmart. My Mom took myself and siblings to go see Undertaker. When we got there that line was literally out the door, so we waited a little while. Eventually my Mom said screw it and we got out of the line and walked to where Taker and got a drive by sighting of him and Paul Bearer. On the way out I did get a slice of Undertaker cake. So after the disappointment of not actually meeting Taker my Mom says she hears that Sid is at the local Hills store with some country music station. So we decide to go to Hills. We got there and waited maybe a few minutes and got to meet Sid, he was a cool guy. And I think he and my Mom may have flirted some lol. Anyhow Sid is cool and I'm glad my mom took me to see him instead of just sitting in Takers line forever. I did however ab 20 years later wait in a line with my little brother for 4 hours to see John Cena and by the time we got towards the front people start rushing the line and luckily the people in front of us vouched for us and we got to meet him.
There’s a difference between a heel and a monster heel, guy’s like Vader, Sid, Undertaker, Earthquake, the Giant,Yokozuna, Andre and so on didn’t need to be cry baby chicken heels, they were bullies who needed to be stopped by the top baby face. But what does help is that monster heel having a chicken shït manager.
@@steveroe6771 yeah but he was a heel during that time, everyone I mentioned was a baby face at one time as well as a heel. Also he worked almost exclusively heel in Japan his whole career.
The master...and the ruler....of the world!! All your dreams will turn...to Nightmares!! The Nightmares!!! 😂 Jenny McCarthy laughing her ass off while he screamed that still makes me chuckle to this day
I love the Dirty Dutch Mantel podcast!!! I really appreciate the characters that you interview. Basically Continental Wrestling guys, which I grew up on it was like Memphis,Continental,World Class, AWA, Memphis and Continental with the AWA became USWA with the UWF along with ECW,WCW vs the WWF. Overseas the wrestling in the U.K. I think was Worldwide of Sports with New Japan , now R.O.H. has went away and we have AEW, NWA is doing alright and impact vs WWE which is smackdown vs Raw essentially. We've got the best cuz New Japan is going to be the next company that combines with Noah and sales out to both WWE and AEW. My prediction but its really good sorry for the rant lol
Will the video of the full Dutch interview be going up? That would be a great watch , I is it prefer full to the clips but just wondering. Ps congrats on how amazing your channel is doing.
You want to see great heel work, watch Gino Hernandez. After losing a match, he'd go on and on about how awesome he was in it and how he beat up the other guy and he really won but it was the ref or the fans or whatever that caused him to lose. Coupled with his model good looks and physique and arrogance, damn, he was a walking talking heat machine.
What about Barry Unooo. Only won 1 match that i saw. The referee held his hands up and he dragged it out the referees hands n proceeded to exit the ring. So the same fans that hated him point him back to the ring. He had won da belt, then proceeded to in a good heel fashion cuss out the crowd. That had everybody laughing n calling him a dang idiot
My friend tells a story about Sid....My friend said he was sitting in an area in the front were they were all heckling the wrestlers. When Sid came by they all shut up except for this one kid who somehow did not see Sid until it was too late. Sid looked right at the kid and spit on him. The kid in shock turned around and just said "Sid spit on me".
Sid had the perfect look for a wrestler. If you're doing a Mt. Rushmore on just the look of a wrestler Sid Vicious would have to be on that list. If he had the charisma of a Ric Flair then Sid would have been GOLD. He was still very successful in his career, but he wasn't the total package imo.
Sid Eudy couldn't use the name "Sid Vicious" during his WWE stints because that name was owned by WCW. So, the WWE had him use the name "Sid Justice", and later "Psycho Sid."
@@morrnmanderson7376 What's odd, is that WCW never had permission from the estate of the dead punk rocker Sid Vicious, to use that name for Sid Eudy. Yet, somehow, they could prevent Eudy from using Sid Vicious in other wrestling promotions.
At 4:46 “he’s not overly muscled”. Are we talking about the same Sid? He was a complete monster. 6’6 and 315lbs. Had to edit due to below comments. The biggest sign of him being on steroids would be the multiple failed tests for steroids.
@@popeyedoyle6360 All four pretty much suck(ed) at promos. Also, I findy it highly unlikely Sid was more over than Lesnar or Warrior at their respective peaks. I'll give you Luger, especially in WWE.
As awesome is taker is an intimidating I think Sid was even more so . He was a monster he literally looked like he wanted to tear everyone’s head off. He was the total package big, strong and could wrestle
Imagine if WWE or AEW rotated stars in and out over a 6month period, give some talent time off to heal and spend with there families until its their turn for a 6 month run, fresh stories fresh faces.
Even though the business doesn’t work like that, it makes sense. However it lacks in practicality because wrestlers WON’T step away for fear of losing their spot / momentum.
@@MADGUNSMONSTER Thats one of the things Vince broke when killing the territories. With the territory system, the wrestlers could disappear from an area, which helps because how can we miss you if you never go away, while at the same time allowing that wrestler to still wrestle elsewhere and earn an income. It also allowed us to have a LOT more wrestlers encounter each other in feuds, than we do now. A lot of this crap is just killing the industry. People always talk about the Attitude Era, which WAS great, sure, but it was a product of the time period it was in, and also was a classic example of a promoter hotshotting the territory. Once you couldnt hotshot it anymore and had to enter a cooldown period, we get what we get today.
Another interesting fact, a few years before that first time the WWF was shown in Britain, Jim Harris had made a number of earlier appearances on British TV as The Mississippi Mauler. He had matches against the likes of Big Daddy, Ray Steele, Honeyboy Zimba and Wayne Bridges😎
When he started talking about resident babyface in the different territories I knew which wrestler he was going to mention I loved the old school wrestling days
actually, WWWF was shown on the old satellite dish systems. I remember seeing them in the late 70's. it was some sat station out of NYC I believe. just an FYI for those families rich enough to have those monster sat dishes in their back yards.
wrong fact at the end. I am certain that Hulk v Savage in a lumberjack match was the first main event on UK. It was on the ITV slot. Bulldogs v Harts was also on as was Kamala but not against Hogan. They said at the end of the broadcast that Hogan v Kamala would be on the next show.
lawler had quite a number of heel turns too, which still confuses me (can you imagine bruno turning heel>>).. lawler was presented as a heel in the new york, kayfabe magazines
Again, when marvel was casting for the X-Men movie and sabertooth was 1 of the 1st villains in the movie.. I felt Sid would have been the ultimate guy to play the character!! Still think he would.. but Liev Schreiber killed it as sabertooth.
Add Sid to the list of big guys that were completely miss used ....they have had so many good big men that they wasted on shitty angles and even worse booking.
I love Sid (and Barry Windham) but they misused themselves. Nobody is going to want to give a guy a push because you don't know how long they'll stick around. Hell Sid was only in WWE for under 4 years total because he couldn't make up his mind between wrestling and softball.
I use the most complicated method of recording on OBS studio and I hotkey a button to manually switch cameras depending on who's speaking. Takes practice.
You never call a babyface by a heel name and expect it to work. Sid Vicious = heel. Sid Justice = babyface . This is exactly why Lex Luger (basically Superman's arch enemy) could never really get over as a good guy. He was a born bad guy, by virtue of name alone. Pretty simple really. Although wrestlers w/ good guy names can get over as bad guys, it is much harder vice versa.
I never saw Sid as a heel or face. Only as Sid. He was just unique and WWE never realised his full potential. I guess all he needed was a manager who would have done the talking. The promos.
@@tonypredergast5782 I mean..I wouldn't say it didn't work.. he pulled it off pretty well and I believe that type of character/manager gimmick could work in any Era of modern wrestling. Obviously my opinion.. but I can also see your point of view aswell..🤜🤛🤝
I always loved Sid's promos. He was cool, but he was NOT bright. My favorite moment from Memphis TV, Sid was screaming at Jerry Lawler, and it went like this: Sid: "When we get to the arena, Lawler, there's going to be nobody in that ring but YOU!" (Sid points to himself) "and ME!" (points to Lawler) I laughed so hard at that.
About a year before doing the Kamala (sometimes spelled Kimala) bit, Harris had been working in the UK, for Joint Promotions, as The Mississippi Mauler (he had also worked in Germany, for Otto Wanz). There is some footage on RU-vid, from World of Sport.
dutch mantell knows more about professional wrestling than 10 random 'harvard grad' employees of wwe today added together - it's crazy to me in days of internet, computers and faster/cheaper book printing than ever before, how modern day people can be so lacking in knowledge about how to do jobs properly, but they are!
