Dye M3s Review: An LPR-Less Matrix? 

Yes it does good call! I dont know why I always think it is 125, I even made sure to look it up 😳

Poppet valve markers need LPRs for operation, and has nothing to do with the solenoid. Easy example, autocockers. Part of the reason a lot of people don't tune their markers is because they make it hard to do so. A lot of markers never had pressure testers made for them, and most of them that do have pressure testers, it's something you have to drop another $100-200 on.

@@Damitsall that's not true. With an Autococker, the LPR serves the exact same function of feeding the low-pressure 3way trigger valve. They can only withstand about 125-psi before the o-rings break, same as a solenoid valve. Autocockers wouldnt have LPRs if If the 3way valve could function at the same pressure as their valve (300+ psi). All it does is add cost and maintenance, no manufacturer would keep using that unless they were forced by the design.

@@ydna The reason they do it is because you don't need 300 psi pushing the back block to cycle the gun. You can use a lot less pressure to get that job done. Yes if they were running 300psi to the 3 way, most likely they would need beefier seals.

@@Damitsall yes but you're conflating a chicken-before-the-egg issue. The bolt doesn't NEED that higher pressure to cycle, it's a byproduct of the design requirement where the hoses and tiny seals would blow. If a dude is building an Autococker in his garage (as was done originally by Bud Orr and Glen Palmer), they're not going to add additional parts just to make it more tunable for fun. They added those LPR items because it was required by the design... and that was back in the 80's. Nowadays, no company is going to add additional items unless there's a functional need that the marker won't function without it. Every marker using an LPR is one where the operating pressure is higher than its pneumatics/solenoid. If the marker's operating pressure was down low enough to be the same as the LPR, the company will always skip the LPR. Realistically they're saving 10-15% on the manufacturing just by removing that component, not to mention all the additional points of failure and confusion from people setting their stuff wrong. I see other people in the comments talking about tunability, I'm sure that's a factor for some but there's no way the mass market cares about it.

@@ydna I agree the mass market doesn't care about this type of stuff. Sure the autococker design is outdated but everyone knows that. They need an LPR by design to cycle the marker. Even for instance the brand new LV2 uses an LPR because it's required by design. It's not because the solenoid can't handle it. I'm sure they could have dropped the HPR pressure so low if they wanted too (I don't know what HPR pressure it uses) that they could have deleted the LPR, if the solenoid was the only limiting factor. Even a more clear example is the Bob Long Marqs (mostly referring to the Victory models). Those Marqs naturally use an inline poppet engine, but as I'm sure you know they also made the VCOM engine which is a spool. They use a LPR. Then Bob Long made the Insight/Onslaught. Those markers carry a huge amount of their design from the Marq Victory(s), but they don't have LPRs. They operate at similar pressures (HPR) and if I remember correctly use either the same or modified solenoids. My point being LPRs aren't there because solenoids can't handle it, they are there because the operation of the marker requires it.

Tried to at least be 😀. still can't talk for 2 minutes without stopping though, but getting there.

Ashraven PB The case should have its own Wi-Fi hotspot for the price they are selling this gun.

The case should be able to fill your pods for you

And a cheese grater.

TheSauc3y will you make some vids?

It has some type of anti recoil tech built into the drive train and let's face it.......barrel rise is the only thing that affects you on the field.

Yea, just give me a week or two.

Finally someone who knows from experience what his talking about. Most people just comment stuff without knowing and just from their "point of view".

Absolutely!

Same here

The reason I love and slay with my M2

KICKS_FOR_DAYZ _ I don’t know, I have a gtek 160r in flecktarn black and I love it,

I didn’t, M2 was out before I started the channel.

I thought about going into more detail about the technical side of the bolt, but not sure people really care. What kind of things would you like to know?

While that sounds cool, businesses are rarely in the business of loosing money.

Yeah didn't think it really needed to be in the video. The pockets milled inside the body are to gain additional volume. It helps keep the operating pressure low and is a complex machining operation and since it's inside the gun and it and since the rough service doesn't make contact with anything the finish passing pass is skipped. Just super hard to get tooling in at the angle the would be required to polish an area that doesn't need it.

Freak Kit is always a safe bet.

Certainly that's what I think too

Agreed

The best is something near 450 PSI.

Like 550 psi?

Yep that works.

Thanks so much, this helps a lot

Can you explain how a PE gun let you down?

Urstin I liked there e trigger frames for autocockers but unfortunately I had a couple of egos prior to 08 (quality control, board issues and poor design) and a few of the first couple generations of geos (rushed, eats orings and board really dim). Planet Eclipse supposedly has great customer service but I ended up selling my ego6 for parts because they wouldn't help. At that time Dangerous Power had about the best customer service. There techs would be on pbnation helping people in the forums. Thing is Dye still gets criticized years later for coming out with only a slightly different or improved DMs from 2010 to 15 while they were focusing on other projects but Jack Wood can come out with basically a new geo ever 9 months and it's the greatest thing ever. G.I. Sports/ Kee and Planet Eclipse are hugh corporate paintball companies. They have competitive markers in ever price range. Something I wish Dye was able to do. The mini gs, axe 2.0, Etha 2 and geo 3.5 are great guns, but I still prefer the build quality, feel, sound and customer support of dye.

Dude I'm totally with you

Jason Downs PE is a great company I don’t know how they could have treated you bad and dangerous power has shit guns they are nice for a bit but then from what my friends have said they just keep breaking

_Chuckiie _ I would recommend the plante eclipse Etha 2 or you can go with the mini GS both of those are definitely the best deal for a starter

Its not a terrible marker, but there are better options out there. If you get it you should get the turbine bolt too. It'll reduce bolt stick and its easier on paint

Sounds right lol.

I’m not surprised at the lack of interest in the M3. Its not really an improvement over the much cheaper M2, as long as there’s still BNIB M2’s sitting around why buy the M3. Would be different if it lived up to Dyes claims of increased efficiency with the spring assist bolt but it didn’t.

Thanks kind sir 😉

It doesn't share a single part with the rail. Completely different markers