Dying Light 2: How Techland Betrayed Themselves in 60 Minutes 

you forgot to mention non-existent side quests

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I have 456 hours into the game. These are the biggest issues: - Spent all their resources on complex human fight mechanics which failed (Can just spam hit and kill anyway). - Created a story around human vs human instead of DL1 which was humans vs surving zombies - Huge map with tall buildings but nothing to explore - in contrast to DL1, DL2 Went the bland RPG route with copy and pasted loot spots, generic mini boss fights, etc. - and most importantly like you said.. the atmosphere in DL1 feels like your just trying to survive in a dirty realistic scary place. DL2 feels like your in a goofy fantasy world with no real danger.

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Of all the comments I've read here, this is like the only one I can absolutely stand behind. How does Aiden not see 500 sucker punches coming a mile away, when I can see them coming from....another plane of existence I guess? lol.

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Or everytime he Jiggs out bc of the inhibitors

@@ryanmcphee8451 I’m pretty sure his infection doesn’t help with that either 😂

Lmao. 😂😅

i can confirm almost every coop i done in the past 7yrs playing DL 1 over 90% did not want to play at night time until i dropped them a gold katana and couple med kits. The new players really enjoyed the experience. It was challenging and entertaining enough and i never went ahead to ruin the campaign of the person i joined.

DL1 night was so built different that I always cheese the mandatory night story mission by swimming around and working my way through some pipes before madly sprinting back to the tower

And now that they made night in DL2 a chore, I think many people will just stop going out at night.

​@@charleszp938nighttime now is much more better after the big night update though. it should've been in the game day 1, but at least techlands listening

⁠@@LisssardManNChrist maybe a lot of players are just pussy I mean nighttime on DL1 ain’t any scarier than DL2. My gamma is low to the point that the flash light only lights my screens center and leaves the sides black. Not to mention that the night only last 7 minutes where in DL2 it last much longer. Don’t understand how u guys find dying light scary

Jup. Should've been another zone instead of whatever we got

The following dlc explains the story, (Nuke isn't cannon)

@@DJVideso someone gets it

It was more of a global crisis then

@@dukeonpluto18 The problem is, that “zone” is literally the last city on Earth.

Aiden also has literally no personality, Crane always seemed like a guy trying to get through a tough time while Aiden sounds like an AI generated script. Aiden is also an incredibly passive character, he does nothing but get told what to do and it miraculously leads him to his shallow goal of finding his sister, Crane was kinda the same for like the first half of the game until he started making his own decisions instead of getting told to do shit by Lawan, he straight up told Rais to go fuck himself and did the same for the GRE. Aiden on the other hand is buddy buddy with Hakon until the game is like “Oh no, Hakon bad now, so now your friends with Lawan, the person who just tried to kill you because Aiden is a complete tool.” It’s not like the story of Og Dying Light is good, it’s mostly just mediocre but Dying Light wasn’t sold on its campaign. Dying Light 2 was sold on its campaign and the ability to decide the fate of the city, but the only choice is just let the city get destroyed or save it, no other decision in the game really means anything, saving your sister in the end also doesn’t mean anything cause the game does nothing to make me care, in order for me to care about Mia I have to care about Aiden and I don’t care about someone who has no personality or really human attributes beyond occasionally pissed off or screw Jack Matt or the main villian (I forget his name) is bad cause he steal sister even though I’m completely deluded and that’s not even true. Honestly why even give Aiden and backstory it does nothing for the story other than save Mia or save Lawan aka save a completely hollow character who dies immediately anyway making your decision completely pointless in that regard or save Aidens commander since Aiden never has a sentient thought throughout the entire campaign. If they wanted to make the campaign interesting go the Fallout: New Vegas route or making your character basically a complete nobody, then Aiden having no personality would actually work because one could be grafted onto him, also get rid of Lawan or at least re write her to more of be a companion instead of your brain, give Aiden a meaningful choice beyond the end of the game, like allowing him to full on join a faction or eradicate a faction, and add more factions, seriously why is there only two in this game, neither of them do anything beyond gameplay anyway except for the ending. These changes would at least make the game a little more interesting. I like doing something in the zombie apocalypse while in this nothing I choose really matters until the end of the game which is fine but why are there so many decisions if none of them really amount to anything major beyond small story beats. Anyway this game is buggy as hell too, just don’t buy it. I bought the full game and finished it, still regret it because of how shallow of an experience it was, don’t market your game on its story when the story is complete garbage, parkour is fun though but that’s the only redeeming factor.

Wdym he moves heaps in majority of the cutscenes lmao

The character model moves, not the camera though

And that matters why? Both games have awful stories, and I skipped through every cutscene. The only exception to that is the Following DLC which I thought was interesting.

@@jakemills7829 Nah the chicken easter egg is where it's at 🤣

The combat reactivity went to total shit and some of the sidequests were embarrassingly bad even for fetch quests. Two of my biggest issues. The combat physics and reactivity was what made the first game so fun and special imho.

@@suddenimpulse030 I hate the challenges Disguised as quest’s

No, if they did that then everyone will say that they didn’t do enough to improve it over the first game

@@suddenimpulse030 Ya I just started playing it and Dying Light 1s combat was better. In DL2 the enemies feel like they have no weight and when you kill them they fly like 20 feet.

@@mangoman7346 Well CoDs have been doing that for decades and they still are the top selling games

you mean that mission where you were supposed to visit the gre data base or sum for the first time? yeah i did that too, had to fucken idea that, that wooden sheet was interactable and just stood there wondering why the hell is nothing happening

@@xiiiL_ Yea this one exactly. Wasn't the first time but it was the most memorable because of how long it took me to get over that huge wall... and yep once I got over, I ran around trying to figure out why nothing epic was happening lol

turn off healthbars then

@@well8250 That's not the point he made. The point is that you're not hitting a zombie anymore like in DL1, where you could break bones and you did more damage if you hit them in the head. Now, you're quite literally hitting their healthbar, or in other words putting in your hit quota until the enemy goes away. Turning off the health display doesn't revert you back to DL1 combat.

@@hirocheeto7795 out of sight out of mind

@@well8250 Except for when you can count "1, 2, 3" and without fail watch the zombie drop, no matter where you hit it. Or have to bludgeon an armored one dozens of times no matter how many of those land on the head.

@@well8250 the combat is more animation driven than physics driven, which makes zombies react to your hits in very odd and unsatisfying ways. The first game did it better, but parrying and blocking are still things that I appreciate in the second game.

i like how this literally isnt true because the parkour sucked and you can just grapple away from any encounter lol.

@@wtfimcrying Grappling hook is unlocked late in the game. Parkour is also less floaty compared to DL2.

@@OpticzMuffin grappling hook is definitely not that late of an unlock. and also floaty parkour is definitely just a preference based thing.

@@OpticzMuffin I'm a DL1 stan myself but this thread is pretty unfair because you can totally just Batman Grappling Hook away to any nearby rooftop if things are too spicy Also the grappling hook isnt somehow some late game tool that totally requires huge effort or time sink to get. You can get it 6-8 hours into the game _IF_ you don't know what you're doing, by that time, you're in Old Town, the place where it benefits you the most. It isnt hard to get, and you will inevitably get it anyways because it's literally the middle of the survivor tech tree it's not an end game tool, it's literally a Mid Game tool

@@itsClaptrap i only did main questline and got it after i arrived in oldtown. its mid-late game tool.

No, nights in dl1 weren't terrifying. More annoying. I swear to elder gods, gamers are such a candyassess that can be scared by anything..

DL1 nights weren't terrifying, the volatiles chasing you were

@@nopenope8250 Wtf do you mean

@ToeTruck hell nah, dl1 is way scarier and if you just run to a safe house and get spotted every time I don't think the problem is on the game...

@ToeTruck now I get your point

Yes!! It was so hard for me to not see almost out right negative intent behind it, as if techland just took the DL1 money and was just like “ok this is the game we ACTUALLY wanted to make” lol

@@Mooskeet I think your reading too much into it

"not my techland" that sounds stupid

@@ultradeathboy It's implying that it's either not the same developers at Techland or they lost their passion for the game. Think before you say something stupid

I remember everyone saying how dogshit the story of the first game was, but apparently now that the second game came out, everyone just forgot. I'm starting to feel like people just want games to do nothing different from the first. Saying that the second game didn't properly expand upon the things in the first game is just a straight up lie.

That's kinda similar mechanic in newer Assassin's Creed games as well. A level 50 bandits have same mechanic and same animation with level 1 bandits, the differences are they have tons of hp and can kill you in one hit if you are not high level enough.. They don't bring anything new on the table besides being a sword-sponge..

in the first game all zombies were damage sponges lmao

@@little-rat-tim Not until you craft your first elemental weapon, ofc early game is damage sponge because what would you expect from weapons like lead pipe or wooden plank lol.. Once you acquire upgraded weapons everything is one slash for me even in Nightmare difficulty as long you target the neck properly.

@@irvancrocs1753 tbh i almost never crafted weapons, cuz they're not that much stronger, the zombies still take like 15 hits to kill, and especially because at a certain point that weapon will break forever anyway, when firearms are infinitely better, cuz the ammo for them is easy to get, they don't break, they deal insane damage, they are ranged, and you don't have to "enjoy" the horrible, terrible, god awful fucking abomination of a combat system. even on nighhtmare difficulty, they oneshot everything in the head except special zombies, who still don't take too much ammo to kill

@@little-rat-tim Eh not really, melee combat is the best aspect for me in DL1, especially considering how inferior melee combat in DL2, they downgrade it to the abyss. Like i said, every parts of zombies have critical zones, you deal head trauma easier by attacking top head with with blunt weapon, and one hit kill zombies with slice through the neck, it's not just some random button mashing, also fighting while utilizing parkour is just too damn fun, that's why i love Harran Prison in Prison Heist DLC. Also guns make the game boring so fast since there is no actual challenge, might as well playing CoD zombies lol, but to each of their own i guess. And it's not like i hate guns in the game but i only prefer using it on human enemies.

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@@HueyFreeman. Dude. The scariness is what made the game awesome! DL2 had little in terms of scariness. It wasn't a diss, it's a compliment.

ong bro that first mission was so fun but so scary made me never wanna go out at night lol but once i got a weapon like the spectral baseball bat going out at night was def not as scary

this is incredible insight and worthy of its own youtube video, mad respect. thanks for commenting!

Theres no speedrunning of DY2 because still they cannot sort out rules and how it should be done. "Hey! We've been discussing this in the discord, but rules have just been finalized and runs will be accepted very very soon." 3 months passed and no additional information - thats why no one is speedrunning this game, even AussieGG

@@Dar1usz That's just wrong mate, I'm part of that discord. Rules have been finalized since the first big patch, Nobody wants to run. Aussie included; he's the one who approved my run.

@@KodyackCasual of course nobody want to run because they lost interest into speedrunning when they had to wait over 4 months after release. No one is even bothering now, because its pointless. I am part of that discord as well and i know how messy it is and sometimes how hard it to regulate rules into games. Yeah, lets say people lost interest because Techland changed something, 4 months of waiting had 0 impact on them lol anyway congratz on getting WR being solo player on leaderboards 🤣

Techland seems desperate to ‘balance’ dl2 regardless of whether it’s at the cost of player fun. Idk much about the speedrunning side of dl, but the korek was a good example of annoying balancing. It was OP as hell, but it was so fucking fun to use anything I wanted whenever I wanted. Then they broke it by charging 800 scrap. Who cares if it’s fun? It’s gotta be grindy like everything else. Then there was the airdrop nerf too, so for a while, it was impossible to get proper weapons above level 6. Then the goddamn mission boundaries and shit too. Techland seems so out of it, there’s been months of criticism which techland just seems to ignore. Doesn’t feel like techland are the same team responsible for dl1 anymore. Even dl1 had a pretty dogshit sendoff around dl2’s launch. I’ve lost most hope at this point.

You can blame the metoo movement for the first point. Chris Avellone was falsely accused of sexual misconduct, but the metoo movement would have gone after them full force if they hadn't thrown him under the bus. And of course, they threw away everything that was already in place barring the intro because it was associated with him. Then it turns out it's false and they don't face any consequences.

3. PK Crossbow

@@irvancrocs1753 the crossbow is better than any gun in dl1 lmao

Its a sequel, why tf would it want to be like DL1

@@Bshady37 EXACTLY Its supposed to be different Dl2 has some amazing changes to dl1 combat and parkour

Dead Island was (maybe still is?) on sale for $3, and that game has better combat than DL2.

@@arlom5132 Dead island is a babysitter version of both dying lights LMFAO😭 bro i just looked it up and its a badddddd combat mechanics, dying light 1 really overrides both DL2 and dead island on an insane level💀 but dying light 2 still better

Just disable them smart guy

@@hellgates_javed6451 it's not the bars themselves, it's the mechanics. Reporting back.... I tried DL1 and it definitely feels different and better

Please play dying light 1 you won’t regret it that game is amazing dying light 2 is bad

Same

@@samexoldx ?

@@narrowstone5363 Chris Avellone was fired due to false sexual accusations made in twitter.

@@narrowstone5363 he's talking about Chris Avellone, he was working on dying light 2, but was fired due to false rape accusations

The game would have been more similar to Dying Light 1. However the combat and parkour would still be as floaty as they are now

To think all these changes happened right after they fired chris avellone

@@djanithegamersfm why tho? They should've held that work and worked up on it. I am sure even the game tester was like bruh tf

@@Randomized_tv he was fired for false sexual harassment allegations even tho he proved it last summer on twitter that the allegations were false he basically fired for nothing

@@Randomized_tv rape allegations i think or something like that

As soon as the guy who wrote KOTOR 2 and New Vegas gets kicked from the project, i know that it will turns out mediocre, Chris Avellone deserved better.

Being a DL1 vet as well DL2 was disappointing to me

Right? There were amazing weapons I didnt even use cuz I couldn't fix them n wanted to save them. Probably just use them for the new game plus in a year or so

For real. The ability to repair weapons gave you more incentive to hunt down Legendary and Epic weapons, since, in addition to being stronger, they could also be repaired more times. Shit was downright wacky that you could only “repair” weapons in DL2 by modding them, and that would only give them a pathetic +50 to durability, which isn’t even a quarter of their total on most weapons past the beginning. So you don’t want to mod them right away, since then you lose out on total usage, but you also don’t want to mod them when they’re about to break, because that limits the use you get out of the mod. So you’re in this awkward shuffle of using your weapon for about ten swings, modding it, and then using it for another ten swings, rinse and repeat until you run out of mod slots.

I never even bothered playing the "sequel" no matter how many times they rubbed it in my face when i was and am playing dying light 1. Posters in the game, an ad at the opening screen... i hate ads in my game... why do game devs even do that? It makes you lookk shitty and greedy

There's a charm in dl2 that fixes weapons durability tho

Lol it’s funny because during my play through me and my son kept saying we miss Crane. They used the same voice actor but idk I didn’t resonate with Aiden the way I did with Crane.

@@epcarter6 they arent the same voice actor

@@epcarter6 aiden is played by Jonah Scott and Kyle crane is played by Roger craig smith

@@ImClueless_ Oh damn they sound scarily alike I just figured it was the same actor. Thanks.

@@epcarter6 the voice actors basically are clones of each other so they sound alike

I played it for 2 hrs then never touched it again

I beat DL2 but yeah it wasn't as good as DL1 unfortunately

Exactly me and my friend were playing dying light 2 and literally were like "you want to play dying light 1 instead?" Like it so sad cause i was excited for dying light 2 but ended up wanting more dying light 1 instead

Did not Even make it through chapter one, before i installed dying light one. Felt the second downgraded everything except the graphics.

Well... Kyle Crane did infect the rest of the world

@ToeTruck fair enough, but after playing DL2 the only character I can remember was the with the crossbow and that's it. I just think DL1 had a 'better' story compared to DL2 even if they were both hot garbage.

@ToeTruck cause i was staring at lawans ass the entire time

@@bruh-ux1ns imo Dl1 story was gabage "CRAAAAAAAAAANEEEE" and cliché as fuck, maybe DL2 story were not perfect, and character too. but at least they tried something, something not seen and something not cliché.

@@VGSpoonium I'm not denying that the story of DL1 wasn't the best, but I still do prefer the clandestine feel to the game more than I do with the whole world in an apocalypse.

Oh don't get me wrong I grinded the shit out of the game when it dropped but did it all deleted it won't prolly touch it again. Dl1 will always be one of the best in the world of zombie games this game to be compared was like maybe more dead island road and I hate dead island 😭

Oh yea not too mention the basically remade what made the first so great the night time system like why make the game like the movie I am legend oh then now die in the sun like wtf 💀

I finished it but haven't got much inspiration or desire to complete the side missions. There just aren't any decent ones to play, that atmosphere isn't captured at all. It doesn't feel as authentic as the first. It feels like an RPG. There are many good points, but they could have done so much more.

lmao aight, the side missions are meh, but the story quest is actually cool

@@Lord_Itachi8758 have you AT LEAST followed the story of dl1? ever heared abou its country side dlc which is the continuation of the story mode? and the actual cannon ending to the whole game?

Maybe Aiden wants to see what they have got

@@pattonrierson4319 He wasn't normal. He is a friggn piligrim who does dangerous jobs. Hell in the entire dying light 2 the piligrims were considered somone dangerous yet Aiden get punched by every enemies makes him look so friggin weak.

@@pratiksengupta5336 Yea i find that very weird, They hyped up pilgrims being this nomad that travels across the wasteland and then you have Aiden. In reality he should be peak human since hes pretty young and hes been doing it for 4 years which is better than most pilgrims according to spike. I get it that they needed to weaken him physically a bit so you could upgrade him and shit but that shouldnt weaken is reflexes and quick thinking

@@WiSHNUKEs Yeah atleast in the DLC he doesn't get punched in the face by everyone lol.

​@@WiSHNUKEsNot to mention that he was genetically engineerd to be stronger and more resilient than the average human. Both Lawan and the main baddy (forgot his name because he really was a bland character) mention this to you

I swear to God everyone complains about that. YOU CAN TURN THEM OFF!

​@@tales527 That changes nothing you mongrel. Let me explain, imagine playing war thunder for a 350 hours straight. You shoot your ammo into enemy tank knowing that if you shoot the effective area such as ammunation depot, it will explode. If you can't bring down the enemy forces you just shoot their barrel and escape. Anyway, and if you try World of Tanks after those unique mechanics and than if you see that tanks have a health bars, you would completely mad. EVEN IF YOU TURN OFF THE HEALTH BARS OF TANKS, THAT DOESN'T CHANGE ANY GODDAMN THING. IT HASN'T GOT WAR THUNDER MECHANICS. GOT IT DUDE? YOU WOULD BE STILL SHOOTING HEALTH BARS EVEN IF YOU SHUT IT OFF.

​@@tales527 i think the problem with the health bar is that it exist, like in overall, because uf you hit the zombie with the most sharpest sword known to human kind in DL2, it takes 1/4 of the zombie's health, like wat

@@zarandadam1718 put your google down, i'm 100 DL1 zombie had health bar, just never show to player. you guys are cherry picking i swear, Dl1 was fun and a parody of himself almost

These guys haven't even played the game and judging, seriously lazy behaviour

Not to mention the rolling. DL1 rolling actually skewed the camera, disorienting you slightly as it would if you PK rolled for real. In DL 2 it's like your head is on a gimbal. Aiden's body performs a perfect over-the-shoulder PK roll, but somehow his head remains perfectly perpendicular to the ground through the whole thing.

@@sowpmactavish Ye that too. It was even more prominent in combat. If infected grabbed you, the screen shake, if volatile pounced you it was right in your face. When you got rammed then 20% of the screen was floor as it looked like you are lying on the floor. Same with Night Hunter, all encounters were realistic 24/7, every move was personal. Even when you evade its pounce the camera goes behind you to follow Crane head movement. All of that is absent in sequel.

@ToeTruck off yourself

@toetruck1589 you have a troll face as a pfp and are speaking about superiority.... do you need help?

@toetruck1589 because of the ad hominem bit, the roll is correct however.

Dying light 1 is for sure better. I don't regret getting dying light 2, and I'm sure it will get better with dlc and updates, but dl2 is so lacking in content compared to the first game, it's sad

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Chad dying light 1 and 2 enjoyer

There are some elements that DL2 did improve upon but overall DL1 is the superior game in terms of graphics, atmosphere, design, and cohesiveness. Not sure that's even an opinion tbh.

Honestly as much crap as people give the parkour in DL2, i prefer it simply because it's faster. I have a mod that makes the gravity 1.5x stronger, and it feels so much better than the first one simply because of the momentum and the longjumps and such. DL1 with DL2 combat mechanics and parkour (and the map, can't have the parkour without the map) would be great. The combat is more responsive in DL1, so I'd only have the parry and blocking from the second game.

I still remember the utter chaos that broke out once my friends and I figured out you could spam kick the zombies and basically stunlock them anywhere you wanted. Combine that with the top notch sound effects and goofy animations and you got a recepie for HOURS of maniacal laughter. Good times, great times...

It wasn't taken. You can still use that move. You and 138 other people haven't played Dying Light 2.

I'll record a video and post the link here to prove to the 139 people here that the move is still in Dying Light 2.

basically, block then attack. it allows you to kick! . . unsatisfyingly

@@AvisPraeda777damn that must be a long video considering that you're still not done

RPG elements in dying light 2 sucks mate, weapons no longer worth anything, crafting is bullshit armor things are beyond useless I always just through the old shit or whenever I loot boxes and I dont find something good I feel scammed especially when I have to kill a swarm of enemy or sneak into a closed fucked up lap.

And remember there are no guns in DL2, in DL1 we had Pistols, Shotguns, Rifles etc.

Their biggest red flag was to literally kick the guy who wrote two greatest RPGs KOTOR 2 and New Vegas, as soon as i heard the news, i know that it will turns out mediocre, Chris Avellone deserved better.

@@AhmadWahelsa They fired him before it was clear whether he was guilty or not (which he wasnt btw).

@@inreisen the no guns ain't bad because guns are broken in the first one and secondly the contradicted them self's by letting you have one that you can craft and its pretty powerful so yeah one step forward 2 steps back

you can literally remove it 😂

@@PsychXxKiddo removing one health bar doesnt fix the countless other fuck ups techland made though, does it?

Ahaha That's what turned off the game but still pay $100 and I was disappointed. Going back to playing DL1

@@RuddleDuddle44 no, but when was anyone talking about that? he said health bars were a problem so i gave him a fix

@@PsychXxKiddo "they reduced the fear factor" literally the first words in op's comment.

Me too 😉

I prefer dead island 1 over dying light 1 dying light 1 jus takes too long to get weapon’s repaired what’s the point without workbenches that we can easily repair them there with money

Yeah when it's raining in DL2 i can't even tell half the time except for that insufferable post-process blur on my screen. No clue how that or the blinding sunlight effect got into the game but whoever allow it is a fucking idiot

You're a man of culture I see. I myself use ambience music from the Countryside at night (The Following DLC) to fall asleep, it's pretty fucking awesome.

@@brendanc1243 yeah that's an actual valid opinion,you're a guy of simplicity and straightforward gameplay. Where as dying light has mechanics that are meant to slow you down (breaking weapons, constant lookout for mods, no fast travel) dead island has a straight and permanent progression.

Dying light 1 definitely had the better setting and environment combo. But I feel Techland will fix DL2 over some years. They’ve already been listening to the community recently. Might take awhile but I’m confident Techland can fix some things to drastically change the feeling of the game.

Honestly my first real long chase was the one where you needed to escape a horde of volatiles through the sewers, and I'm pretty sure my bpm was in the 250s the whole time. I tried DL2 at some event and immediately tried getting a chase going and not only was it annoying to even get lvl 4, my heart was completely steady for the whole thing until I got bored and just strolled to safety.

The voice actor for Kyle Crane also voice acted Ezio from Assassins creed

Precisely

Some of the quest were meh, but the alien gun...That was pure (frustrating) genius.

This I genuinely cared about Rahim and Jade. Their deaths were devasting and broke my heart and left a void. But I can say for sure that I didn't felt anything for any characters in dying light 2.

I couldn't agree more with you, man. DL1 and The Following were so much more engaging than the overstuffed DL2. It is true when they say that sometimes less IS more. I thing the development team behind the game should have stuck to the winning formula of the first one instead of deviating from the route that much,

That is a great point. One of the missions in DL1 had you broadcast a signal so the GRE wouldnt obliterate harann under the guise that the city is void of human life. Dying light 2 played up "the fall" to such a severe extent that its hard if not impossible to revisit

I don’t think we’re getting a 3rd dying light game.

I agree. I think the only 2 good way they can make DL3 in the future are : 1. DL3 is set between DL1 & DL2 (an interquel) 2. Mankind somehow rebuilt itself and is slowly able to evolve and adapt against the zombies. DL3 is set in the last city on earth to still be overrun by the zombies, while every other city has succesfully purged the zombies and the infection

It's weird how if they make DL3, it will be a pre sequel

@@Delta_2209 in the intro they said that in between dl1 and 2 pretty much nothing happened, the cure was found, and not much happened. And also, harran was nuked and all the important dl1 characters died or disappeared. I don't think they have enough material to make a prequel to dying light 2, they could make a dying light one prequel tho.

The zombie camouflage was removed to make room for an actual stealth mechanic. A choice I wholeheartedly support since once you used gut camo there really wasn’t any tension to it just camo and avoid alpha volatiles. Several times I found myself just using camo just to skip dealing with zombies as they entirely ignore you for as long as it lasts.

@@simonnachreiner8380 I like the camouflage better. This was yet another mistake they made.

omg i forgot about that!!! yet another great mechanic gone

@@simonnachreiner8380 The stealth mechanic in DL2 is the worst Ive seen in any videogame.

Growing trees on the roof is not only a stupid ass idea its also as pointed out not possible as there's no dirt to sustain the roots let alone the roof being able to support one let alone several trees. Tree houses would have made so much more sense. I feel the rooftops are littered with trees because they literally had nothing else designed to fill the void. Remove the trees and grass and you've got endless rooftops which would have made for an even blander map than what we got.

I guess some Men and Women who work for Techland just didn’t like the guy, And now Karma is coming to bight them in the Ass. People hating on their new game and now getting Sued for defamation 😂

@@brandon_Larsen you'd think they'd learn not to listen to Twitter thots

Well there you go... A bunch of snakes sliding in to steal someone's else's job/ideas/story so they can change it and ultimately ruin it... Happens to nearly every good movie/game/tv show/ story

Why are people in this modern age so quick to ruin someone's career over an ALLEGATION? What happened to presumption of innocence?

@@oyveyshalom because they want the attention that it brings them

Chris Avellone deserved better.

@Rosie where DL1 was goofy and fun, DL2 took itself too seriously and became a chore. Comparing the antenna mission from DL1 and the VNC tower mission from DL2, the first one felt a lot more tense just because of the atmosphere, but it also felt badass. The latter felt stupid because it started off with your entire grew getting instakilled by a bomber. DL2 tried to be serious, but it ended up more goofy than the first one.

@Rosie DL1 has the worst story in gaming dude. Just some examples off the top of my head: Crane's disappearing antizin vial. Where'd it go? He stashes it during the first night run and never uses it. Would've been perfect to save himself and Jade. Rais' absolutely braindead obsession with Crane and the logic he applied. He keeps going back on his word to give Crane antizin because he doesn't want Crane to obey, then gives him another mission and forces obedience. Another example is his unwillingness to kill Crane every one of the dozen times he could have. He wanted to when he threw him in the pit, so why not just kill him while Crane was unconscious? But okay, maybe he wanted to amuse himself. But that's clearly not a factor anymore once Crane chops his hand off, because he then tells his men to open fire although he conveniently waits until Crane has the high ground and Zere's research for the plot to continue. Clearly he now wants Crane dead, right? Apparently not, because when Crane is literally a doomed man because his antizin magically disappeared due to earlier braindead writing, he... Gives him antizin? Why...? He's literally got him pinned with a dozen gunmen and doesn't even need them because Crane is seconds away from turning by himself, and then he saves him? Absolutely nonsensical. Worst plot writing ever. And it doesn't end there. How about those firebombs? Remember when you set off that pattern explosion to prove there's still survivors in the quarantine zone? The ministry sends its bombers to break that building, and they happily oblige. Then later when they are about to blow the city, Crane reaches out to them and says there's still survivors in Harran, causing sudden surprise and making them rebel against their orders. What?! They literally already knew there were still survivors left! They were happy to cover it up in fact! Even if they weren't the same pilots, such things go around. It'd be a well known fact for them. Why are they suddenly so shocked? I could go on. DL1 is the worst written game I've ever played. It's okay because the combat and parkour was awesome, but even though DL2's story was mid and far from what was promised, by virtue of being mid it is leagues ahead of the first game.

@Rosie ''and the missions diversify after a while (good grappling hook, etc) the environment become adapted to the parkour you've build up after a while and still looks good like a real city'' I literally thought you were talking about DL2 until I read your comment again. How does what you say not apply to DL2 also? And as a matter of fact, DL1 is the one that never adapts to your grappling hook since it is a gameplay element rather than a story one. You get it from Survivor level 12 and max it out at max Survivor level. It isn't a story thing and has zero effect on it. The parkour doesn't adapt at all, you can do everything with basic survivor level and no tools, whereas it does in DL2 where you need the grappling hook and paraglider for multiple setpieces. So I don't understand what you mean DL1 adapted the environment as you went on. It didn't. DL2 did. No offense, but this is exactly what I meant to illustrate with my first comment as well. That people have rose-tinted goggles when it comes to the first game. You are literally mistaking the accolades of DL2 for those of DL1. You are praising DL1 for something it didn't do while DL2 did, and criticising DL2 for something DL2 didn't do but DL1 did. Hilarious.

@@TheStraightestWhitest dude you can't be taken seriously when you deliberately get Story elements wrong. The GRE didn't stop because "survivors were in harran" but that Crane had Zeres cure in development. That's first. Second, Rais and his contradictions are him trying to get Crane to think for himself which comes forward WITH that ending, because he tells the GRE that they do what HE says now or he'll reveal they started the virus. The paragliding is an idiotic addition as it removes a lot of the actual fear in this series. The grappling hook is such an abysmal downgrade from DL1 its embarrassing. The OG grapple hook was made mostly to improve the parkour and give you the feeling of being Pseudo-Spider-Man. The New one is a rope that you swing from that you can only climb up not even halfway up the length of the rope. DL2s is absolutely pathetic is every way compared to the first, in all ways but a few gameplay mechanics and if you used basic objective research, you would understand it, but you have something I call, poison tinted glasses, because you hated it yourself, you can't get passed your own problems with it to look on an objective ground comparing the two games, and call anyone who actually sees its a better game with better writing people who "are wearing rose tinted glasses."

Since there’s never enough positivity I figured I’d say I agree with that. You definitely seem to know what you’re talking about as far as game dev goes and you’re on point with the comparisons of both games. Keep it up man

Ok

But you have roaming volatiles, nighttime, guns were op in DY1 so dunno what you are writing about

Bro the buggy was a DLC thing and wasn't even a main part of the game, I played about 50-60 hours of base game before playing following and don't believe it is essential to this game either

Not guns, absolutely not guns. Maybe guns worked in the following, but in base DL1 guns broke the flow of the game and made combat trivial since you could just headshot everything from afar.

@@pantommy the crossbow is superior to every gun in 1

Same here except I was soft locked in a room for that amount of time…

Well after 15 years ammo does run out, not everyone is skilled or has the equipment to make it anymore. And the Towns people were burning a shit ton of old world crap when you first meet them so I wouldn't be surprised if knowledge was lost this way as well. But that's one of the few things I'll really defend in game.

@@mtnd02.06 That's just lazy writing, you can craft actual grenades and explosives in game but the humans are too stupid to make bullets?

@@heavylegs5686 do you actually know how hard it is to make ammunition?? It itself isn't difficult once you know what you're doing, but very few people do in the real world, more so in a fictional apocalypse. Hence making yourself a target in various ways if you do know. Regardless of that, even if you make ammunition you still need to store it, maintain it, and use it. God forbid you tried using dodgy ammo for a DIY gun you're not sure is designed to fit the caliber or even robust enough to use in the first place. So many things can go wrong, especially when there's no access to precision equipment used to make this type of stuff or standardisation. Imagine buying ammo and its all different calibers or some are duds cause it doesn't have enough gunpowder. Ontop of all that, in both DL games it attracts zombies. With this many potential downsides, there's understandably not really a demand nor interest in ammunition except for the massive cache potentially hidden by the colonel (because its all stored properly and standardised quality to a point that they're actukaly useful).

@@tristanstebbens1358 bruh the game has zombies and the main character is a genetic freak. Don't bother bringing realism to justify shitty writing. Also even if realism was applicable to this fictional video game someone was autistic enough to Jerry rigg a car trap to kill zombies I'm sure someone is also autistic enough to create a home Depot blunder bust out of pipes and duct tape with trash as ammunition.

I thought it to be a retarded attempt an excuse to disallow the usage of firearms throughout DL2 - claiming the military confiscated weapons and ammunition to use them in battle against the infected, only to then run out of ammunition and see most of the city become overrun due to a lack of defense. That was nothing more than trash writing - would have been much smarter for them to overhaul the infrastructure of the city in the time of world-wide infection for the production of only basic goods, and direct it more so toward ammunition and weapon production, along with arming the populace to ensure they were able to defend themselves in the event the military efforts would fail, or to allow the military to conscript and obfuscate the need for providing weapons and ammunition - just saying "hey grab your gun and head to the training officer" and getting a new recruit. That also would have allowed them to perpetually defend the city from the onslaught of the infected hordes without a fear of running out of ammunition for an extended period of time - perhaps even allowing them to endure and remain a fully functioning city all the up until the events of DL2 came to pass. The disarming of the populace angle was nothing more than retardation to force the removal of guns from the player - that served for nothing other than removal of an entire play-style for no reason, and undermining the quality of their own game through the matters of both lore and world building, too.

Yeah they combat tin the first game felt very heavy, crunchy and like your hits were actually hitting the zombies, so to speak. In the second game it just feels like you're swinging and not really hitting them, doesn't feel heavy at all, nor does it feel good. Really sucks how in the first game I'd just fight a bunch of zombies for the sake of it, since it was very fun, but in the second id rather just avoid fighting them unless necessary. Don't know how anyone though it was fun at all in the sequel. Human vs human combat is way better in DL2 forsure tho, those bastards in the first game felt so unfair and tedious to fight

EPG?😯

@@bofa722 bro in the first game the fight was so broken for me - I got a weapons with infinite bullets and do a insane damage that could wipe some volatiles out and tbh I like more how the fights are in dl2 but I don't really like that you can't repair the weapons :^ also the thing what the most annoying for me it's the infection in the night , it's like the phantoms in minecraft that will force you to sleep :^

All they needed to do was take everything about dying light one and bring it into the second game and reskin a few things and make a couple of giant maps and it would have been a home run. But no, they gave us this unrelated, boring, empty garbage pile of a game.

The combat from the first was not as good. The way the second way one includes parkore and combat is done much better.

In the first game the turkey military could hold off the virus but now apparently the whole world couldn't do it -_-

Leaves a bit of a sour taste in my mouth to call it a sequel too considering how much i adored DL1 :/ ah well

Dying light 2 is soooooo much better than dying light 1. The first game is dumb because you’re not supposed to fight, you’re just supposed to run, you’re punished for using weapons because they break after like 10 hits and then can only be repaired like 2 times. Weapon mods were useless because they were rare and once your weapon broke that’s it, it’s completely gone. Every weapon up until the last act of the game just tickles the normal zombies and don’t even try to take on raiders either cause you and your puny weapons won’t be strong enough until the story says so. Guns just completely ruin the combat, well I guess not ruin but actually give you a fighting chance, but one that absolutely isn’t fun. What I mean by ruin is they make melee weapons completely obsolete. Also once guns are introduced they are placed everywhere and you’re given bountiful amounts of ammo from the many raiders who all also have guns and bunches of ammo. Why use melee when you have an entire inventory of ARs and 1000s of rounds of ammo and are also one of the only weapons that actually give you a fighting chance. Side missions are completely boring, mostly consisting of fetch quests like the one where you have to steal pills from a mentally ill person. None of them are even worth it either as all they give is money which you can spend on weapons that again, will break after like 10 hits and can only be repaired 2 or 3 times, or they will just give you yet again another mediocre weapon, or weapon mod that will vanish once you’ve used your 20 hit total weapon. The story is so predictable and anticlimactic, the final mission is tedious as hell, making you do all sorts of sketchy and weird parkour moves while trying to avoid a shit ton of zombies, after all the awkward parkour segments you get to the climax of the game where you kill off the main bad guy in a QTE and that’s it, no boss fight, no nothing, then the game just ends, very anticlimactically. There just isn’t much to like about the first game, the story wasn’t all that compelling, it ended kinda shitty, and even after all of that the efforts of the main protagonist are obviously useless cause at the end of the day humanity falls to zombies anyways. the parkour was pretty good and is what kept me playing to the end despite all my complaints about it. Dying light 2 fixing literally all of that, weapons do damage, you can choose to either fight OR run, not just run, combat is better, the gore is better, they removed guns completely, story is much better and has replay ability because of the 7 different endings that exist, the parkour is 100x better, the side missions actually are good and feel connected to the story other than just being boring fetch quests. To me it’s just all around a better game.

@@slayrix279 you have no taste

​@@slayrix279 you have no taste

​@@slayrix279You dont enjoy the game dl1 is wqy better and you have no taste

I like your idea, then establishing nightrunner bases in new towns, training them. The story should have been about that. Still i think the story in dl2 up to vnc tower has balls and is much better then the one in dl1. Combat i liked in first more, parkour and level design i like in the second more. The dropkick is so much fun to use in the first game.

Then go read a book man

There is a spint button, it's just locked in the skill tree. Also, he's running everywhere. He's absolutely faster than Crane ever was.

You can literally turn off the health bars man just stfu and stop complaining

​@bibich8410 how about stfu and take criticism and leave people to complain

I can say that i paused the game and fucking laughed for a good minute when I found out that Aiden memories weren't exactly what they were. The whole plot of the game is that Aiden is trying to find his sister that he made a promise to and then it turns out that the promise was made actually to another person and not his sister. Very unfucking unique

True

I blame it on Chris Avellone getting falsely accused of sexual harassment and getting cancelled. Hope he sues the ever loving shit out of everyone thst wronged him.

@@DJWeapon8 Agreed, bro wrote KOTOR 2 and New Vegas, Dying Light 2 doesn't even makes sense and that was the clear indication that his touches were gone

True, when you use parkour against Night Hunter its really good and smooth

Ok

The last boss literally just ran back and forth for us between two hazards zones. We had to shoot him with arrows as he quickly ran by. You arent missing much by skipping the end

I mean, it's realistic that there's no more guns. Who's gonna make them if the world has ended. Who's gonna make the bullets? Where would the materials come from? But it's a zombie game. Realism left the moment they said zombies.

@@jarednewman7823 brazil people who make guns from pipes and shit just exist to prove you wrong, btw ammo can be produced with little to no technology, you can wrap your random piece of lead and gunpowder that you can produce using a shitton of chemicals left by civilization into goddamn paper casings. There are so much resources left from the old world, it's just stupid writing that no-one uses guns, they are clearly superior when you face human enemies and there is nothing that will stop people from killing each other the most efficient way, the ones with guns would be kings, don't try to justify stupid ass writing with logic, it just fails here.

@@jarednewman7823 fun > realism every time. Also its not like dying light 2 is the most realistically grounded game, im not even talking about the fantasy aspects which shouldnt have to be realistic, im talking about the literal physics of the floaty parkour. Jumping out of a skyscraper by landing on a zombie and surviving isnt super realistic. But it is fun!

The potential of this game is far from lost. The devs have consistently been working to improve the game and add more for thee players, reworking in game missions, adding completely new and improving existing cutscenes, even adding new easter eggs sometimes in updates, they also ask fans on Twitter what they'd like to see in the game. For example people hated the fog that appears around the map after you do the Veronika mission and since people didn't like it they fixed it (except for the main one at the vnc tower cause it's gotta be there) and it's clear they aren't gonna just drop the game, they've announced a ton of new content in the works for the game, new multiplayer modes are confirmed, be the zombie is likely one of them since techland actually listens to the community and knows people really want it back, other pvp and pve modes are being worked on although we don't know what they'll be just that they're doing them, more night runner content, we know we're getting more then one major DLC so thats gonna be huge, and more stuff that is being worked on aswell. I very rarely see a dev studio that has made reworks to a game involving cutscenes, music, and missions and the story itself and actually puts the effort and MONEY into a game that they could have just said "yep we made good money now let's move on", there was that one mmo and then no man's sky which did this but those are the only other two I can think of

@@attackcrash655 unless they completely rewrite the story and make the choices actually matter and not be a dumb black and white thing with cartoon villains, then the game is lost- quality-of-life updates don't stop the core game, especially story-wise, from being complete and utter shit. Reminder that the story, life-changing choices and moral ambiguity was the selling point of the game, which is all gone.

@@GuilhermeSantos-sd5uw lmao the "black and white" cartoon villains actually impressed me and tons more,i really don't see why you wouldn't like many characters and events, since there are around 5-6 if not more endings depending on major choices, yet not the only ones that matter being major

@@Puddskye. "pick between this shitty ending and 5 more"

@@GuilhermeSantos-sd5uw bro really hates the game lmao, the endings weren't good from the aiden perspective, that's it.

Honestly that moment with Rais was still stupid and cliché

Facts every conversation end up with aiden getting punched

i doubt all of these side missions about gay couples would be in the game if it was up to one aging polish guy.

@@Senumunu Its owned by a 49 year old polish man so not "old" but I dont think he leads game design anyways plus not all old people are bigots

@@SweATZ87 you can oppose gayness for reasons that are not bigotry. it makes no sense in the setting. even if you were gay in that setting you would acknowledge that you have a duty to create children. that actually could have been an interesting topic the game explores. instead its "find the dildo of my gay husband/wife and bring it to me" corny.

he is literally what they wanted to get away from when working with deep silver

"Biggest crime is advertising a game that we didnt recive" Bro watch e3 2019 and look in the corner. "Subjective is suspected to change"

If you actually paid attention, Aiden got his volatile abilities because he got experimented on by waltz not because he got bit

Because the whole damn game is copy pasted to hell and back with maybe a few unique landmarks. You can paraglide about and not be able to tell what zone you just entered because everything looks the bloody same!

I totally agree, I was able to walk/run through the map without having to open the map view. DL2 is just copy and paste of multiple environment to a point that I'm sometime wondering if I just came back from here ? Also my biggest complaint is WHY they make it a FAR CRY game ! I played enough far cry that I don't need another game that requires unlocking settlement/tower to unlock the map etc... we didn't have that in DL1.. if people like that kind of stuff, stick with FAR CRy !!! Also the upgrade skill are boing and repetitive compared to DL1. They focused too much on parkour quest and speaking of side quest... they are %#$@?@ STUPID !!! (DL1 has some boring quest) but in DL2 they made it WORST!!!!!! so grinding and so useless and way too much talking... most of the time I skip them and in DL1 I didn't skip a single one.

What happened to him?

@@halocraze9839 He commited suicide.

@@Cris-dm1nt So sad, he really needed some accompany : )

they kinda do certain things and have consequences.. for example: (spoilers kinda btw) i gave the first water tower to the pks and later the bazaar was destroyed, and i didn't do the survivor quests. (ex: blowing up the windmill with albert). still not major changes as they advertised though.

No Alan wake did

and that’s so fucking stupid. The first game ends canonically with intelligent zombies and the fall of the gre, and dl2 takes that and shits chemicals on it

@@cornfield3034 one sentient Volatile won't do much, especially after a vaccine was actually created for the Harran virus.

The game is fine now, haven't encountered any bugs