We need to get you an upgraded F-16 so you don't have to fiddle. With the admiral receiver on the upgraded one you'd land at $289. But great review Wes! If anything, now people can get an Arctic Camo F-16 and Thunderbirds F-16 because we all can never have too many F-16's!
Motion RC yep sorry I didn’t actually realize you had the new version when I made the video as you know the airplanes in my videos are mine 😉 I still stand by they are both awesome planes and ether airplane is an awesome choice.
Motion RC glad I saw this post because I was dying for the Arctic Camo and then after this was slightly leaning toward no fiddle. Most of planes are HH/Eflite. But the camo on yours is just to good to pass up. So u sold me with this comment. Im going to have to man up and order one now.
@@MerryBoozerRC If you look at scale though, freewing has it on the spot because the eflite F-16 has too much ground clearance in the rear for scale. The freewing has the right height or close to the full scale 11:05
I found with the freewing F16 that if your program 30 percent spoilerons instead if flaperons you can bury the elevator in high alpha and pitch the aircraft at more than 45 degrees flying it on power alone. Its incredible how it handles. I'm going on my 2 year on the same airframe
I bought my F-16.. Fighting falcon.. and I only paid $275 for it.. through motion RC and it came with a V2 and it came with the aluminum retrax... And the new in runner 2957-2210 KV.. and I put a hundred amp adjustablle. Ztw ESC.. all I did was advancement timing to 15 degrees.. and it pulls right at 2,000 Watts. And I use a 4500 milliamp battery 80 c... And we clocked it at 142 miles per hour.... My friends FMS 70 mm Thunderbird couldn't even catch.... And when I bought this I got a good deal on it.. if you want to go fast go with freewing...... FMS is okay BUT FREEWING IS THE BEST!!!!! NOW WHAT'S YOUR EXCUSE!!!!
I'm actually after an F-16 so thank you. Both look like great options to be fair, but the freewing version just looks more like the real jet. I appreciate the scale details on it so I think that's the one for me.
Freewing all day, looks more scale and I like the Arctic Camo. That is just my personal opinion. Plus, the Freewing seems to have more bang for your buck and with the ARF version, you can can make it your own.
I did the third option with the Motion RC F-16. I bought the ARF plus version, without the motor and ESC. I put in a JP Hobby all metal fan/motor, amd ESC combo, and I fly it with a 6S 5000 pack. To make it the ultimate speed demon, i removed the retracts completely and taped over the openings, and I didn’t install the fins on the bottom of the fuselage. This allows me to hand launch this plane, and belly land it. We don’t have paved runways anywhere nearby, and these mods help the plane go even faster. This thing screams, and is always a head turner when I fly it. :)
I did the same thing to my.. Dynam. V3 meteor... All aluminum JP fan... And since this jet is very light.. we clocked it at 152 mph... And we did this with only a 4S battery 4000 milliamp 60 c... But I used 150 amp ESC gecko.. adjustable... We adjusted it to just 8 degrees advance... And it pulled over 2,200 watts.on the watt meter.... Not bad for $150 jet... It's fun to go to the airfield and outrun.. everybody that's running a 80 mm to a 90 mm.... They keep asking me how am I making this fast and I don't tell him anything I just tell him it's all stock..
I have the Freewing F-16 version with the inrunner motor from the E-flite Viper Jet, no upgraded retracts yet but had to do a little foam cutting to get the motor fitting correctly which wasn't much but she is a rocket in the air..... I've always wanted to see a comparison between the 2 jets and this video is really good so Thanks for this 👏🏾👏🏾 Props to you Sir
Thanks Wes, I’ve really been torn about these since the artic camo is really my favorite but really like the entire package with the E-flite, however I’m glad to see that Freewing now offers the F16 in the pro edition with the upgraded motor and retracts now which may help with my decision, if the offered the camo in a 90mm I wouldn’t have to decide, I’ve really been thinking about getting the 90mm Freewing F16 in the grey and just doing what you and I love to do.....an artic camo airbrushing repaint. BUT WAIT....then I go to the HSD F16 camo which I’d get in the turbine frame and set up with a high proformance JP fan and all would be right, but by the time you do the jet, retracts, ESC, and fan, oh and let’s not forget the receiver/gyro, now my wallet is going, ouch. Man, the struggles....thanks for a great video Wes and showing us 2 really sweet birds, another awesome video👊🏼👊🏼👊🏼👍🏼
Jeff’s Custom RC ok in my personal opinion the 70mm freewing is the plane for you. The 90mm F-16 is a brick and doesn’t fly anywhere close to as good as the 70. You will definitely not be disappointed in the 70 mm arctic camo free wing F-16 get one and thank me later. Just tell them who sent you. Also get the V2 freewing I linked in the description for $259 with the in runner motor and upgraded re-tracks right out of the box you can’t go wrong
Merry Boozer RC thanks Wes, that’s the one I’ve been really looking at, so...you think I’d really like that better that the 90mm with the upgraded 1835kv ??? I would do a repaint on the 90mm to have the artic camo. I’m so torn, just not sure if I’d be happy with the smaller of the two since I’m used to flying 90mm.....damn the struggles 🤔🤪😖👊🏼👊🏼
@@MerryBoozerRC yea the 90s are not that quick in talking about a few 90s too and 70s 80s are the best for speed performance and easy on batts I love the 70s 6s jets f16 is real good viper jet is good hawk ain't bad.
The E-flight F-16 looks beautiful, and more scale. I'm hooked on this Thunderbird 70mm, and if it flies anything like it does in the SIM, then it's going to be my 1st EDF after many prop plane hours. I'll make good use of SAFE when landing as my runway s only 300' x 50'.
There is one that is $219 that has a 3048-2150 kv motor and the one I got is the high performance $259 with a 2957-2210 kv motor and it comes with the upgraded landing gear also. It isn’t a night and day difference but it is faster.
@@trickmustang1994 thank you for the info. was woundering if the upgraded motor would make a big diffirence or not . i have the 4cell version and on it i can say the landing gear upgrade is well worth it!
Great review. The way you flew the eflite and your knee pointing the the eflite gave it away before you came to the conclusion. I'm waiting on my first jet. It's the freewing stinger 64mm. Love all your reviews.
Very nice video and thank you. From my purview, I have to give EF F-16 Thunderbird the edge. I'm building up to move into the EF F-16 Thunderbird or Falcon 80mm.
What an awesome review, I’ve liked both of those for a while know and agree on the whole depends on what paint job you like. It’s awesome that you evened them out for the review none had the upper hand....excellent comparison video 👍🏼
Thank you so much ❤️ we really are trying hard to be as impartial and honest with all our reviews here on the channel they really are awesome jets and you can’t really go wrong with ether plane
Morning Wes and Lori. You did a good job Landing the freeway F-16 certainly made up for your takeoff. I definitely agree there are virtually identical I think the E-flite has a slightly better flight time and a little bit more on the top end. I remember you saying from your F-35 review on Ryans show that you started flying in 1993 same as me believe it or not!
These sound like real jets on the passes. Great detail on these and man the seem to fly so smooth. Awesome video man, appreciate the side by side comparisons.
Or, buy the Freewing F-16 version that comes with the suspension struts and upgraded inrunner motor from Motion RC for $259. That would be a more fair comparison.
Thomas Ellison I didn’t realize they had a new version of the FW I have updated the description and I apologize for that thanks for bringing it to my attention. At the end of the day I’m not payed for this and just trying to bring the best content I can on my budget.
Nice review as always. I would have to pick the EFlite also for ease of preparing and paint scheme is like my EFlite T28. Thanks you guys really appreciate what y’all doing.👍
Nice review! I have both and I have to side with the freewing. They both fly great, but I have to say that the eflite has a slightly artificial feel with the gyro compared to the admiral. The freewing slows to a crawl as does the eflite. I feel completely connected to the freewing and the eflite I feel like I’m telling the gyro what to do. Finally...the eflite canopy kept coming off in flight. I’d say it’s an anomaly, but I’ve seen others with the same issue.
I would buy another F16 90mm if it came in camo. The 70s are to easy to lose orientation especially on cloudy days. 80mm would be even better if they made them.
I have the E Flite the front landing gear are week and poor in designed, dont just take my word for it ! so many replacements are needed that they cant fill the order!
WES I'm with you on this one. E flight is the choice for me as well. I think it has A wider Flight envelope and If you gotta have camo Wich I don't care for. You can costomized to your heart's content. Great review you made them both look awesome 👍👍😎
Wes as I watch this again I noticed that you are wearing the same shirt I have on today. And I don't think anyone could make it look as good as you do 😉👍🏻👍🏻🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
If you look at scale though, freewing has it on the spot because the eflite F-16 has too much ground clearance in the rear for scale. The freewing has the right height and ground clearance.
Nice review. They both look pretty nice, but in your last shot where they are both sat on the ground in front of you, the Freewing has a much more scale sit on its gear. The Elfite looks a little toy like on its tall stalky legs.
Just when I was ready to get this 90MM version Freewing discontinued production... So is there any difference between this version and the 80MM besides the size
I love the camo scheme of the Freewing but the E-Flite definitely seems faster. Do you use anything besides sub trim on these like Aileron to rudder mixing, Dual Rates & Expo or switched Flat throttle curves for slow flight and landing?
I was just looking for my first F-16 I've only owned sport jets. Just stumbled across this amazing channel of yours! Perfect timing, Obviously you can't go wrong with either one Horizon Hobby has great CS, Motion RC has great CS, between these two in my opinion it comes down to looks and the freewing is kicking ass in that department! I'm going for the freewing! That Arctic Camo is pulling at my Heartstrings lol. Subscribed! Brilliant videos look forward to more! Rob
Definitely and the new version of the freewing makes it even more equal now comes with an inrunner and upgrade retracts right out the box you will love it 😍
Great review! Thanks a ton. What were the battery stats after the 3 minute flight? Did they both come down with similar voltage values/amps drawn, or can one fly longer than the other due to more efficient system? Thanks again, keep 'em coming.
Jorden Epps The E flight just barely edges is out I set both timers now to four minutes on these aircraft and I’m coming down with about 3.8 to 3.83 but if you fly at full throttle most of the flights four minutes is Max Always good to leave a little room to land
My free wing f-16 went in the garbage. After having it accelerate to full throttle and having zero control over the model twice and trying to replace parts to get it to work, I just threw it away. I was sick of dealing with it. The avanti is the way to go!
The E-FLiteF 16 is better because if you pair it with the MLP6DSM 6CH SAFE Transmitter 2.4GHz: 180 QX HD a beginner can use it because it limits the tilt. He said he spent $44 on the receiver but an as3x receiver costs $80. So the e flite is cheaper. This comparison is still not equal
Hi wes I've just bought the freewing and upgraded the retracts as I fly off grass I'm planning on the maiden in the next couple of days ! Could you tell me the flaperon settings you have dialed in as I've been told they come in quite hot without them ? Great video as always guys 👍
Actually if you push your battery back like I show in the video you really don’t need the flaps I can definitely tell you my settings but in all honesty it will come in at a crawl if you keep the nose up and use throttle management coming in
still flying my fw yf-16 yea its a hobby lobby 11 yr old plane with fms 11 blade edf, foamies have come a long way. may need to buy a newer foamie edf ,, hard choice ,,, but fms seems to have put a little more effort into edf and landing gear,, fw is behind from what ive seen ... but i do not own either , just an observation ,,, great vid wes still can't make up my mind on which new edf i want, L39, A10 etc so much too choose from ,which is good...when is storch time????? bigger flies better mmm inav 405 matek fpv floater ,,, can't beat balsa
michael honeychuck so storch is hopefully flying Sunday and video will need to be edited. To be honest if I could only have one jet it would be an avanti s just saying best all around Jet great preforming and great landing gear for grass
FREEWING sounds more like a jet... Looks better too I think... Although, im partial, because I own a FREEWING F-16 90mm with afterburner!!!, F-86 SABER, AND MY FAVORITE, MY FREEWING BAE HAWK 70mm!!!! Im getting 6 minutes with the HAWK with moderate flying.... 3/4 Throttle is usually all i go up to. I dont have as nice as place to fly.... At FULL throttle im across 2 football size fields in seconds!!!! Planes are cool, ✈ BUT JETS RULE!!!
Oh ok, I just didnt want to miss them. The boozers need there Dave's Rc T's. Paul Hatcher is going to be in Portland tomorrow. I'm going to meet up with him at some point to give him a shirt and his ESC that he won. Talk about cheap shipping. I should start making all contest winners come pick up there prizes in person. Sure makes it easy on me.
Also, if I may offer a tip for video recording of the airplanes in flight. Disable auto-focus, and use manual focus. Before recording, with manual focus enabled, focus on an object off in the distance. For example that white house next to the tree that is seen right after take off (1:34 mark). Additionally, in order to have a chance at keeping the fast close-in passes within the shot, you have to stand a few yards back from the flight line, and use zoom (sparingly) in and out as needed. I learned all of these the hard way when I was recording at events. One of my favorite videos I shot a while ago: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-cXDysFb_BR4.html
The E-flite has a SAFE option - did you mention that? but no flaps and did you say flaperons are NOT an option?..... is that because ailerons are y - harnessed together ?
lw216316 you can’t program flaperons with the stock as3x receiver. Yes it has safe but in my opinion if your buying a 100mph plane you sold be past needing safe. It’s a great tool but I feel it’s allowed people to fly things the shouldn’t.
So - for flaperons, its a software restriction by the receiver and not a mechanical restriction by a y- harness. I have put flaperons on an AR620 receiver - but did not know it won't work on a 636 (or 636a) whatever is in the F-16. As for the safe option - since a wide variety of pilots watch your review, I suspect there are some who would like that option and others who will not activate it during the bind. Even if it is activated during the bind it can be programmed to a switch and used or not used as desired. Not all safe options are the same. Some planes allow it to function like a beginner mode and some planes I've had allow it to function only as an emergency mode to get you straight and level - and you then need to get back to your normal mode quickly to get enough control surface movement to get the plane back to you. Here is a maiden flight on the F-16 by theRcSaylors who review lots of planes. He using safe on the maiden and it has a good amount of deflection allowed on the controls. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-j7NA9mWZD98.html I like using safe on a maiden if there is a good amount of control. After that I only use it as an emergency switch. The Marlin was my first jet. I'm planning to move up to the F-16 soon - so the safe option looks good to me.
Exactly if you buy the plug and fly and ad your own receiver you can do flaperon but to be honest you don’t need them on this plane the slow flight is crazy good
@@MerryBoozerRC That's a good option to consider. I could get an open stock receiver and add a gyro (with or without a safe option). I recently bought an A3 Pro with plans to try it in an old plane but maybe I'll try it in the F-16 ! So if I get the plug and fly then the leads from the wings on the F-16 are accessable so I can plug them into separate ports so I can set up flaperons ?
Should be but if I’m being honest I put them on once and never took them off so I can’t remember.... but buy the BNF with AS3X trust me this bird doesn’t need flaps. Truly it is the best jet on the market currently in my opinion... not fancy but best flying
@@MerryBoozerRC well I’m looking at the tinted canopy since mine is clear. I can use the canopy from mine but I removed the clear canopy and ordered the freewing smoked canopy. I think the actual foam canopies are different but the glass looks to be same.
Rickey Nelson Jr they are suspension retracts made out of machined aluminum really nice basically like little shock absorbers. The new version of the freewing actually comes with them now
@@MerryBoozerRC thank you for replying. Like I said earlier, I'm new to this hobby but love it a lot. I want to go EDF but at the moment I have a puller propeller rc plane. I intend to use both types of rc planes but I'm clueless as to what radio I need that will work with any rc plane. I pretty much need a list of all the things I would need to be successful in this hobby while having fun. Any help or suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Awesome flying by the way. I hope to be on that level soon. I've only flew my rc plane 2 times. Would it be stupid jumping to an EDF so soon?
$259.00 for the Arctic Camo.. love the looks of that one.. hmmmm I have several new unused receivers setting in my build room right now, with and without gyro! LOL is one easier to see while flying vs the other?? (say the camo version... LOL)
Depends on the day on a cloudy day the E-Flight was easier for me to see. But on a cloudy day I like the Freewing. Haha my honest opinion the paint jobs on the freewing is better. It’s just a hard choice. Just remember tell them the boozer sent you whatever you choose. They both fly great 👍
Had the freewing , I loved it butt I walnt buy another one just because freewing has jacked their prices way up , so screw freewing and motion RC ! Only e flite now !
Chris Gaalen I agree thee freewing is more scale.... but after about 10 flights I actually like the E-Flite just a hair more. That being said there both awesome
I wanna get the eflite Thunderbirds jet for my first, what transmitter can I get I've been looking at the dx6e transmitter but think I may need the dx8 both by spektrum?? Which transmitter can I use out of the 2??
Well you can use safe with the DX6E but you can use safe select and all the features. On the F16 you can because it doesn’t have flaps. So you only are using 5 of your 6 channels meaning you have one open channel for save select. But if you get an airplane in the future that Jase retracts and flaps so a 6 channel plane you won’t have an open 7th channel for safe select. That’s the mane reason the DX8E was brought to market 😉
Nice review, I am thinking of getting one of these. I believe the Eflite might work for me better because of the High Alpha it does and I love the paint coloring. Also, if I wanted to paint it differently, it would not be as hard to cover than the Artic. My brother likes the Artic Camo, thats his chioce. Nice video. Keep them comming.
just looking around the net, it seems like the eflite and the FMS is the same plane. but comes in a more realistic paint scheme instead of the thunderbirds paint. www.fmsmodel.com/fms-70mm-f-16c-fighting-falcon-pnp
Blame USA haha I wouldn’t say the freewing has terrible components specially if you get their new aversion now that comes will be in runner motor and the upgraded re-tracks right out of the box
@@MerryBoozerRC Ok I downloaded this Macross VF-31A for Phoenix sim and at 1/4 throttle its hard to land it. Maybe its close to accurate then if 15 to 30% throttle floats it. www.supermotoxl.com/projects-articles/ready-to-drive-fly-models/macross-vf-31a-kairos-phoenix-rc-simulator.html
Thunderbirds were always my fav show on earth I lived by offut airforce base in Bellevue Nebraska and they had an air show every year I wanna get into rc planes
Vape Clouds901 and you should but I definitely recommend you start with something other than the F-16. Unfortunate you won’t have a good time if you start with this you will crash it. I recommend starting with something cheaper and easier to fly. What have you flown?
@@MerryBoozerRC never flown anything but I'm gonna eventually want and get this jet so I figured with taxes id have extra money but they have safe and stuff on them
The horizon planes do but I still recommend starting with something different more beginner friendly pm me on Facebook I’d be glad to help you get set up
Thanks! So doesn't that imply that the fan in the E-Flite produces more thrust? Or is it a combination of the ESC, gyro, airfoil, and the entire circuit?
@@cwwisk I don’t really know what it is that makes this plane high alpha so good but there’s really no plane I’ve ever flown that even comes close to this one you can hold full up elevator on it and fly around with just the throttle and it will not dip a wing or anything
Merry Boozer RC it’s an aircraft maneuver invented by boyd and used by the russians. it’s when you put the plane into a high aoa and still fly level across. it’s pretty complicated but they had it in the reveal trailer for the e flite 16
I gotcha I know what your talking about now you will enjoy the video coming up on them I actually posted a video to Instagram of me doing it 4 ft off the ground lol. But you will see it in the future episode
