E192 - Adrian Johnson Ejects Rays Pitching Coach Kyle Snyder During Mound Visit Early in Tampa Loss 

Dude, you are 100% correct!! I see it at all levels, it's crazy! Doing that does not change our minds. I'm tracking the ball all the way into the glove, making my decision and announcing it. On a borderline pitch - like the one shown - I will admit I might miss it simply because when the catcher brings it from the bottom to the top of the zone, he convinces me it's low!! LOL! Whether it's 10u, 15u, 18u, HS or NCAA, I must tell catchers 50 times every year to stop framing like that. Everyone sees it, everyone thinks the catcher believes it's not a strike. Most I get strikes, some I don't. These "travel" or "club" teams teach this way beyond what is needed. Catching it with a slight glove movement will get you 100x the calls than this crap will.

Pulled a couple inside pitches up, but not into the strike zone. Was really confused at what I was looking at, but I guess it makes sense if coaches are teaching this at all levels and not explaining it.

STOP calling it framing , ITS NOT framing.

@@trevoravery9270it’s not framing at all, and it’s telling the umpire I believe you are so stupid you will fall for my little trick. I call the pitch a ball because you told me you don’t think it was a strike when you gloved the pitch.

It pisses me off. I always told my players. Stick the glove where you catch it. We are are presenting the pitch not trying to trick them. I’d also get pissed at my players when they’d hold the glove too long. Like catch it and hold for maybe half a second to a second at the absolute most then throw it back.

I think he didn’t get his hand on the ball the first time.

The problem is that they've moving the glove a foot off the original spot. That's ridiculous. As an observer, it drives me nuts to see that pitch after pitch. Couldn't they be subtle about it?

Love the fair use language/argument, Lindsay. Well done.

It doesn't work. Any umpire worth a shit doesn't judge the pitch based on the glove. The art of catching is dead, that's all.

The framing is egregious however the reason Snyder was mad because there were two almost identical pitches, both framed exactly the same, one called a ball and one called a strike.

They’ve been watching too many softball catchers.

@@stopitdad69 lol you say this like somehow that makes it better lol

They think that if it's successful just one time out of however many times, that justifies it. It just looks awful to me as a spectator. Couldn't they just be subtle about it rather than moving their gloves a foot?!

If it were successful a lot, umpires' numbers would be going down, and their union would lean on the league to change the rules...

Right? Like simulation yellow cards in soccer.

or excessive appealing in cricket. fine the catcher, fine the manager. going from one edge to the other is ridiculous.@@Mehnwai397

I feel like that gets into too much interpretation of intent and isn't really a problem. When a pitcher misses a spot badly, that could get misinterpreted, for instance. Catchers can receive how they want within the rules, and that shouldn't affect the umpire's judgement.

I don't think so. They can't really regulate how catchers receive pitches. It would be an MLBPA nightmare to suggest that.

​ @priceright8963 @@closethockeyfan5284 Thanks for the responses. As a baseball newbie it's good to have this answered.

What did he do??

@@deathcoredude141 It's coming out that he dated a 14-year old.

Just another cash grab extortion case

@@priceright8963 wow, he could be the next Democratic Presidential nominee with stats like that.

​@@trevoravery9270How are you confusing Matt Gaetz for either a Democrat or a presidential nominee when he is clearly just a run-of-the-mill lowbrow fascist?

when its the umpires job to go out to the mound to break up a conference and the classy coach talks loud enough to ridicule him, then thats what happens. My suggestion for MLB is to just use the clock to break it up and if they don't assess a ball to the batter

I think you might be misunderstanding. The pitching coach here (as in the Jays example) is relying on the ump 'listening in' since he isn't even talking to his pitcher and is talking directly to the ump.

@@mptr1783You’re on to something here. Love it!

Agree, but see my comment above. No one is 100% perfect. We're all human. If a pitch is a strike by 1mm or 1/8", and the catcher moves his glove 2' - guess what?? He's telling me he doesn't think that's a strike!! That close we sometimes get fooled. If he simply catches it and holds his glove for a split second, we umpires process it better. Regardless of the level, it's human nature. You cannot dump on the umpire for a pitch that might be 1/8" in the zone and the catcher does that!! All the catcher's fault here

@@ednovy4925 Completely disagree that it is the catchers fault, it is not. The ump should not base his call on what he thinks the catcher wants him to think, that's ridiculous. The job is to call balls and strikes over the plate not call where the ball finishes, catchers mitt should not matter in the call at all.

@@Unusual116 so what makes you think the the catcher moving the glove is influencing the umpire lol? I say it hurts the catcher and pitcher when a glove is moved that much.....hes telling the umpire he doesnt believe its a strike either

@@mptr1783 Umps should not be making calls based on what they think the catcher wants them to think, that is ridiculous. Make the call where the call is over the plate and if they umps can't do it then change the system (ABS or challenge system or both). Umps ruining ABs and sometimes games (see PHI vs MIN today bases loaded, full count) needs to stop. There is not real time accountability for balls and strikes from umps unlike basically every other sport where there are robust replay systems to hold officials accountable in real time.

@@Unusual116Name a sport where ALL aspects of a play can be reviewed? In football, if a ref is wrong on false start/NZI, that isn’t reviewable. No fouls are reviewable in NBA and last touch isn’t reviewable until the final minutes. NHL has some review process for certain penalties, but not all of them.