E2 FIREFLY VS E2 IMBIBITOR LUNAE | Pokke’s Brawl Firefly Edition

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This is the SECOND PART of Pokke's Brawl - Firefly Edition, a series of three special episodes of Pokke's Brawl - Where we pit the newest Honkai: Star Rail Character, Firefly, against the STRONGEST DPS of the past. For the second episode, she will be facing Dan Heng Imbibitor Lunae - the strongest E2 character of 1.x patches.
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01:22 E2 Firefly | Pokke
04:40 E2 DHIL | Serra
08:07 Results and conclusions
09:24 Chat's opinions
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@crazyturbo4286 Месяц назад

I cannot take Samudrartha seriously anymore, all I think about is E2 DHIL brainrot now

@silverX3870 Месяц назад

Same 😂

@Brkncntrllr Месяц назад

suleee

@Sarbertoras Месяц назад

Holy, imagine 3.0 DPS characters💀

@michaelraj5626 Месяц назад

Just wait for Feixiao.......😂😂😂

@restart6358 Месяц назад

@@michaelraj5626 and someone will also powercreep her, so whats the point of waiting

@denji8026 Месяц назад

@@michaelraj5626 I mean she's a 2.x dps

@denji8026 Месяц назад

@@michaelraj5626 I mean she's a 2.x dps

@goodname4271 Месяц назад

@@michaelraj5626 bro the leaks about her being strong is lore leak just so you know

@breadman8100 Месяц назад

3 trotters>firefly

@Andrew99994 Месяц назад

belobog stoplight 🗿

@thornszk Месяц назад

Belobog stoplight counters even your beloved Acheron or any dps during their turn if you have no ult-damaging ally saved. It is mostly the trotters.

@IdeasAreBulletproof Месяц назад

I'm about to run away ~Trotter

@bluesage4329 Месяц назад

What is that?@@Andrew99994

@the_man861 29 дней назад

@@bluesage4329 the stupid box shaped mfs that gain a shield every time they attack

@samsemy6825 Месяц назад

Chat, with all due respect, OURGENERAL clears both EASILY at E0, S0, using a level 1 Birth of the Self LC, not superimposed He doesn't even need supports imo, just fill all 4 slots with Jing Yuan and the stage has already CLEARED ITSELF to make way for him.

@shjinriven3408 Месяц назад

I feel sad for jy many people make fun of him now.

@samsemy6825 Месяц назад

@@shjinriven3408 on a serious note I do still love him, pulled for his rerun And hey, for Apocalytic shadows he's actually pretty damn solid, altho I haven't seen many showcases of it.

@Tiasung 29 дней назад

@@shjinriven3408 People make fun of him because its less painful then confronting his kits issues. If Hoyo just fixed LL to hit once reaching 10 stacks.. cuz people love him as character, we just dont like his gameplay balance.

@aintoni5147 29 дней назад

Midyuan

@The_CodFish69 29 дней назад

FF by herself can solo MoC 12 and have a few cycles left over lol

@kazd4477 Месяц назад

that "dhil has no sign set" is a very good point. never noticed this

@nickarooroo6397 Месяц назад

Yeah. The closest we had was the base game Musketeer set. Truly surprising he never got a signature set tho.

@FonKard Месяц назад

@@nickarooroo6397 and also dont have 4 cinematics like FireFly. That is exactly why he doesnt has signature set (also, planar that amplifies only basic attack is weird too)

@Tiasung 29 дней назад

@@nickarooroo6397 Neither did Jingliu. However unlike Jingliu he atleast got an amazing new support that really amplified his kit.

@AlucardMM 29 дней назад

@@PabloRodriguezrealyou can argue that sparkle benefits Seele more then Dhil. But even then FF is nothing without RM & HMC (she needs both desperately) while Dhil was great even before sparkle

@ziodyne7774 29 дней назад

⁠@@FonKardwomp womp

@gyamfid.k5070 Месяц назад

Imbl having no set bonus for this Long is a crime tbh.

@ninetyninenights6226 Месяц назад

Musketeer?

@isateasane Месяц назад

Musketeer is not very good compared to what FF has.

@thornszk Месяц назад

Tbf, only the 2 of them has their specific premium supports exist and benefits them more than anyone in the game right now. Blade has no HP harmony buffer, Jingliu still uses that genius set while the ice set is merely 25cd when she is overflowing with crit stats already. Musketeer only has 10% NA damage, but with high multiple DHIL has, that shoots up.

@gyamfid.k5070 Месяц назад

@@thornszk he still has tons of support. And I doubt an Hp harmony would do much better than bronya and sparkle does with him already. Plus he has a dedicated set. His damage is too spread across ult follow up and normal. He’s alright. Imbl has sparkle not for the numbers but for SP. Cos he performed similarly well with bronya pre sparkle. A dedicated set would increase his damage ceiling by 15% minimum

@Tiasung 29 дней назад

@@gyamfid.k5070 I dont think you understand the numbers if you think a dedicated set would raise his damage ceiling with a minimum (not even a maximum!) of 15%

@fastgameknight 29 дней назад

“Firefly is weakness lock” Is bros greatest enemy reading comprehension 😂

@Nemeseos-777 Месяц назад

Firefly inital cons are the strongest we've had, That's why her E3-E5 is meh

@jepmarimat1341 25 дней назад

her e6 is just ruan mei buff 😭🙏

@GRovyIIe Месяц назад

Did you know that E2 Firefly's turn doesn't consume any buffs?

@Joel_ Месяц назад

exactly like Seele's Resurgence, which also means you cannot use Ultimates when it's triggered, so use them immediately before her extra ''turn''

@thornszk Месяц назад

Not even Ruan Mei's E?

@judielgabrielmanalo5031 Месяц назад

@@thornszkrm’s e can only be diminished by her own turn

@sagnikmaulik 8 дней назад

@@Joel_ You should be able to if you use the ultimate on the attack animation instead of waiting for the turn.

@icaro4285 Месяц назад

And boothill missplay? You forget that 😢?

@FonKard Месяц назад

Never, it was a shame indeed

@C00lRanch 29 дней назад

I think it's a good thing that E2 DHIL can keep up with FF. We don't need every dps to increase the power creep gap every patch. I much prefer theGenshin route of making a couple DPS per version that raise the ceiling of overall DPS of new units wihout pushing down older units.

@Kspice9000 25 дней назад

Thing is he won't be doing much with anything other img weak.

@kooweijing9061 Месяц назад

At least this was not an obvious power creep because the MoC buff benefits FF more. If MoC buff gives speed/HP/def/healing augment (maybe att augment), every comparison is gonna be fair.

@KilBloxs 27 дней назад

what is the build for that dhil?

@zhoxnq6776 29 дней назад

what the content creators dont tell you is that after firefly's e1 you can put dhil in her team

@iXland_Yt 29 дней назад

I watched bro in 1.5 speed and didn't realise until I listened to the music 💀💀💀

@plang-plang5035 Месяц назад

I'm not sure if I can compare them both for now cuz the MoC buffs favors FF, while in the video DHIL used E2 RM & E2 Sparkle. Maybe have to wait for the next MoC buff

@Kspice9000 25 дней назад

Even with moc buff, all it really does is give FF another turn. Which with e2 FF, provides no value since she's getting never ending turns anyway

@plang-plang5035 25 дней назад

@@Kspice9000 nah, it also gives Atk & BE buffs which is good for her

@Borovski213 Месяц назад

the fact that I dont have to build crit already puts her at the top spot for me. Not considering the fact that its not just her doing the work, the whole team is contributing to overall damage

@thegurlama7356 Месяц назад

Firefly E1 is so broken not consuming skillpoints with her enchanced skill is insane.

@McSkink Месяц назад

I got e2 DHIL and e1 FF. So i'm eating good regardless

@Kspice9000 25 дней назад

I've got e2s1:acheron/kafka/bs. E1 going for atleast e2, hopefully s1 FF and RM/aventurine s5 trends. If your eating good, then I'm fuckin gorging.

@darkhydra4262 Месяц назад

I can't even imagine what a 5 star limited version of harmony trailblazer could even do lol.

@LivingShad Месяц назад

1 Billion break effect and 3 times super break damage IIIINSANE

@ThorsShadow Месяц назад

You do realize, that the Trailblaizer is a 5-star character, right? On the character selection screen, 4-star characters have a small purple line at the underside of their little portrait. 5-stars have an orange or golden line. Every single Trailblazer path has that golden line. Trailblazer IS a 5-star.

@darkhydra4262 Месяц назад

@@ThorsShadow Yup! You do realize I said limited 5 star right?

@The_CodFish69 29 дней назад

@@ThorsShadowbruh has no idea HMC is a Free unit lol

@Mr.Heller 29 дней назад

@@Crono992Not good enough to pay for it.

@tiopanola 29 дней назад

I wanted to see his Gallagher build, how much spped it have?

@Kspice9000 25 дней назад

Not that much since he's going last. Only reason he goes first in 2nd wave is because he ults as first wave is starting. Netting Gallagher hsi turn advance.

@weeb3726 Месяц назад

The thing about e2 ff u can fit a boothil in there because of easy sp

@Belarhos Месяц назад

If the trotter argument at 10:39 is about the 3 trotters occurence in SU, firefly can kill all 3 but you need a certain nihility blessing called "hell is other people" which allows you to deal break damage to adjacent enemies after dealing break damage to one enemy

@Tiasung 29 дней назад

To be honest most teams/characters have issues killing all 3. Usually 1-2 is the norm.

@Belarhos 28 дней назад

@@Tiasung Oh firefly can kill all 3 in one hit but like i said, you do need "hell is other people" to do it

@pitwandesu2459 29 дней назад

You would not believe your eyes. If ten milion fireflies lit up the world as I fell asleep

@Vonsah Месяц назад

What I want is a character with a Seele type of play style or a support that makes her good again

@wel004 29 дней назад

The fire weakness implant is huge cause she literally have no worries what enemies she is facing unless the enemy has weakness broken immune

@cronoluminara6911 29 дней назад

Man Dan still putting in work

@bjornnilsson2941 29 дней назад

No relic quality comparison? I suspect that DHIL has some ungodly pieces. They are kind of hard to compare in general though.

@itssynner 29 дней назад

12:20 bro became the ultimate yappinator

@seanwang7239 29 дней назад

E2 ff is better, but e2 dhil is still amazing considering bro was released 1.3. That boss is literally tailor made for firefly, the fact that it was even close is crazy.

@thornszk Месяц назад

168speed Firefly and still, HMC turns before her? wtf is that relic investment lol

@rtyueqq6799 Месяц назад

The Strongest E2 DPS in History vs The Strongest E2 DPS of Today

@suzain_769 Месяц назад

Did You forget Acheron??

@allice1527 29 дней назад

@@suzain_769Our wife is on another level

@ecid1176 29 дней назад

@@suzain_769Acheron's e2 is worse than DHIL & Firefly's. All e2 does is remove a built in problem of her kit to make her flexible and slightly faster with her ult. Firefly gets Def ignore that can go up to 60% with an e1 Ruan Mei and probably more with sustainless firefly and Pela. And then an extra turn upon kill or break which doubles her damage. Dan Heng gets an extra turn at anytime so he can do what firefly does just less often so you can go. Skill max-> Ult-> Skill max-> Sparkle potentially and then Skill max again And you're getting bursted with damage.

@michw7479 29 дней назад

@ecid1176 that team build issue u talking about is a double dmg increase for her when u go a second harmony sustainless. Wtf u even talking about

@allice1527 29 дней назад

@@ecid1176 you may have forgotten that Acheron doesn't really need another def ignore kit cuz her being surrounded with def shred debuffers. Also She has res pen which scales really good if you decided to pair her with Ruan Mei

@michaelraj5626 Месяц назад

I wonder Whats gonna happen when Our General From Yaoqing comes out.......😂😂😂😂

@treasure9342 Месяц назад

I personally think e2 firefly is better mainly just because her e1 is SO GOOD unlike DHIL e1 which is not great

@koko-hh2bq Месяц назад

E2 basically makes her into a better Seele without the SP issue. This and the fact that her entire team is also doing respectable damage is honestly what makes her team so incredibly broken, even without the trotter

@MIDO44444 Месяц назад

Nuh saying DHIL e1 is a massive understatement its so dogshit

@treasure9342 Месяц назад

@@MIDO44444 idk what it is

@_an1s_ Месяц назад

E1 is bad you are crazy my man

@Vastaway Месяц назад

but e2 is actually insane. espically if you run tingyun huohuo, you can ult like 1 time per turn which + sparkle that's 3 instances of dmg (~300,000 when buffed) which is basically around 1 mill per turn actually insane omg

@jamitiong2978 Месяц назад

So basically a bug vs a dragon?

@maiadraconica6488 Месяц назад

Reminds me of when the fairy type came out in Pokémon and slapped the shit out of dragon types

@ikomangyoga6401 Месяц назад

Well dhill is old char, and igot suprised how my man still good until today

@jordannathanael4884 Месяц назад

Even if we have a dedicated relic for dhil, probably its just +10% damage, it can be replaced by god tier relic piece. I too just looking for good sub stat to do 0 cycle firefly e0s0 with 2pc 2pc.

@ryohikari1853 29 дней назад

HOLY bro is speaking 4x speed

@yourdanasty1 Месяц назад

From what i can tell damage output and ceiling is quite similar between these 2 units, the biggest difference is how hungry for skill points dhil is while firefly literally requires like 0, as much as i hate to say it for most people e2 firefly is probably going to be better for most players. (Certified dhil enjoyer here btw)

@marknavarro-tj3dd Месяц назад

When you start encountering toughness locked enemy, oh sure😂

@watashielshaeddo5454 Месяц назад

@@marknavarro-tj3dd by that time, the new 3.0 acheron will be released to mitigate the issue and people will pull for E2 of that new character. The cycle continues... You are just a chesspiece in hoyo's grand scheme of thing

@mirei9225 Месяц назад

@@watashielshaeddo5454 Yep, pretty much. Hoyo creates new enemies that counters a certain play style, they launch a unit which counters the counter and everyone will be pulling xd.

@yourdanasty1 Месяц назад

@@marknavarro-tj3dd toughness locked enemies are indeed one hell of an issue, and it's one of the reasons I prefer DHIL, but in most cases you can break them before they even lock their weakness.

@smexxxxy Месяц назад

@@yourdanasty1 Not really. Yanqing blows up before he can do anything if you play it right and Sam's only lasts for 1 turn.

@lurkera7351 Месяц назад

Imo ff team can still be optimized once we get more dedicated break supports. I dunno why people r saying that ff team is already complete for some reason. Rm is op right now and adds significant dmge boost for break teams but whose to say that she can't be powercrept in the future by a full focused break support? Same as for hmc and gallagher.

@zylou8643 Месяц назад

the only way to truly kill ruan mei for break teams is to give us a harmony or nihility with their own super break and toughness damage, because ruan mei lacks her own damage

@koko-hh2bq Месяц назад

That's what I'm saying. Tho it would be really hard to powercreep Ruan Mei without breaking the game, it is very possible that we will get better versions of HMC and Gallagher. The fact that her premiere team is already competing against Acheron yet still having rooms for improvement is a huge plus.

@loxtty Месяц назад

@@koko-hh2bq like if Acheron had her "premiere" team completed, she doesn´t have a single unit for her team yet, the first one will be Jiaoqiu, Sparkle if u have her E2

@thornszk Месяц назад

I also see HMC as hard to powercreep. He already does a lot of damage to broken enemies and have very high toughness reduction. Also boosts superbreak dmg to the moon. Only upgrade will be a colorless toughness reduction.

@fredxu99 Месяц назад

Gallagher is definitely going to be replaced soon I feel, followed by maybe HTB. I doubt Ruan Mei is going to get replaced, they'd basically need to copy her kit and then change DMG% to something that benefits weakness break as well as a high toughness damage skill to turn them into a subdps. Could be possible, but even then, there's a high chance you'd maybe run them with RM anyway lol.

@koragon8894 Месяц назад

i would personaly say DHIL is stronger and before you bombard me listen please . argument pokke drawn out was firefly cleared faster and had remaining time before cycle ends but DHIL got his ultimate at the end of cycle . So if he could ult got extra turn and triple skill . He would do another idk 70/80 % of boss HP + as was mentioned its not his MoC that would benefit DHIL and he still does not have ¨best¨ 4 piece set so normally i would say draw but with all information gathered DHIL won this contest of E2 power .

@rhileeroy5730 Месяц назад

tbh i dont think breaking the trotter is that big a problem as ghalager did it anyway

@hsrkaion Месяц назад

If there is just a harmony that places all weakness/imaginary weakness to the target I think DHIL would be better. It's just it depende since galagher can fit like 100% to firefly but not to DHIL Also ruan mei

@JoltingZ Месяц назад

It's all about how the meta shifts and the construction of Team comps. If DHIL is keeping up as an older unit. The tiebreak goes to the older unit. (For reference I have E6 Firefly vs E0 DHIL). How long is the meta for Super Break going to be here which Firefly and Boothill are the Captains of it.

@greenvega 29 дней назад

Meta doesn't exist for e6 characters, u just keep clearing everything on autoplay without touching game

@dew8495 29 дней назад

what is that dhil’s stats? Holy shit.

@kian239 26 дней назад

lol the dhil's stats are 44% def ignore and 80% atk from e2 sparkle and e2 ruan mei

@dino_5432 Месяц назад

E2 sparkle btw

@treasure9342 Месяц назад

But also there's a e2 RM

@xongxong7532 Месяц назад

@@treasure9342 both teams used ruan mei tf are you talking about?

@dezcrux Месяц назад

@@treasure9342 does e2 ruan mei even work on firefly

@shimmering17. Месяц назад

@@dezcruxyes it buffs her atk which gives her more break effect

@claudiowiseman8488 Месяц назад

@@dezcrux it doesnt work

@papayapayama2087 Месяц назад

NO FUCKING WAY POKKE COMPARED E6 HMC TO E2 SPARKLE AND SAYING ITS FAIR WTF HAHAHAHAHA

@HasinRyhanOk Месяц назад

Harmony eidolons dont do much except the break effect buff. So i guess it is actually fair

@ekkusu9493 Месяц назад

Lil bro is having a stroke

@wenomechainsama6002 Месяц назад

e6 hmc is a full kit of a limited support e0 though e2 sparkle definitely has more buffs than e6 hmc

@sharifzareeai8954 Месяц назад

Reading this comment make me feel smart

@ariamachi Месяц назад

Well I think its a fair comparison. In terms of team composition. HMC is integral in this comp and essentially the e2 sparkle of that comp. Where as the DHIL team sparkle is the main support as well. Its fair.

@darkwolf9637 29 дней назад

I think a really strong part about firefly that not a lot of people talk about is how insane she is at low investment compared to other characters. She really doesn't need that much to absolutely pop off, both her lightcone and eidolons are completely optional and because she doesn't care about crit her relics are also easier to get, even without the calvary 4 piece she's still absolutely insane. Even if you do go for eidolons her first 2 are the best ones with 3-5 just not being good making going for e6 an actively bad idea more than other characters.

@longps9528 28 дней назад

DHIB team is a Hypercarry setup, with Daniel dealing 99% of the damage, and the 3 Supports do absolutely nothing in terms of damage, as they are there to buff Daniel. In Firefly team, there is 1 main DPS and 2 Sub-DPS / Support. In this comparison, the main DPS' damage output alone already purpasses the Hypercarrier.

@Kspice9000 25 дней назад

I wouldn't say hmc and galla are sub dps. Morris sub breakers. Which is fine, that's what ff needs. Dhil whole team is just make hime decently useful. 1 gives him more turns and the others to make his dmg viable. Combine that with no weakness implant and he just doesn't compare to the new tier of dps from penachony. Omni weakness or weak implant is going to be mandatory for any dps to compete from here on out.

@Ditto738 29 дней назад

just got firefly (74) and ruan mei (78)

@TerraTheWise 29 дней назад

I don’t have E2 of anyone but I have a whale on my friends list who gets all the cracked E2’s and I love my boy DHIL and he’s still absolutely insane but I’d say FF has taken the spot as best E2 for dps in the game with DHIL right behind and then Acheron last. The damage she can do while getting multiple turns for basically free while consuming no SP is just kind of crazy. E2 DHIL damage isn’t far behind but eats way more SP. She’s also easier to build because like dot units, they care more about the mainstats and subs don’t need to be amazing, and because of super break her team also does a lot of damage and isn’t purely carried by FF alone. They are both good but if someone asked me to pick between them for who to E2 I’d say FF.

@badcompany1318 29 дней назад

I never scene a character getting loved and hated as much as firefly

@luanzisseable 26 дней назад

Firefly having basically only 1 attack animation feels like they didn't finish her design sadge

@Kspice9000 25 дней назад

Personally I hate that ult doesn't do dmg and as you said, if their gonna do a turn spam unit. Each turn should have a variation of the attack. Would've been cool if each skill the attack got cooler, cumulating in FF doing a massive exit mode atk, perhaps the falling dropkick?

@Kyle-km7eg 29 дней назад

9 limited characters with their signatures and could still barely 0cycle lmao.

@nat6lbg440 Месяц назад

In my opinion they are equal at E2 but FF has a way higher floor compared to DHIL.

@marknavarro-tj3dd Месяц назад

Keep the cope man😂 i have both pretty much the difference is it's harder to get relics on DHIL

@j0obn255 Месяц назад

@@marknavarro-tj3ddthats what higher floor means, floor is base low investment, i can clear MOC & New endgame mode with FF E0 with trash relics and she does 260k per superbreak attack. Break is ultra high floor while still having high ceiling trough good substats.

@Exodia_99 Месяц назад

@@marknavarro-tj3dd maybe you confused between floor and ceiling? Higher floor means how good your performance with the lowest substats as possible. You just need main stats to have a good firefly and I don't think dhil can barely deal any damage with only main stats right?

@thornszk Месяц назад

He's so triggered he and his copium likers doesn't know what floor means.

@keremq8816 Месяц назад

Keep in mind Ff cant convert ruan mei's e2 into BE

@feyandhisstuff9888 Месяц назад

DHIL would’ve ult and one more 3sp basic tho

@forcodingg1287 Месяц назад

Imo, as long as the Enemy not have the mechanics of locking the weakness. Firefly has the strongest E2 From my experience. Im have all the E2 and when try to comparing it to E2 Dhil and E2 Acheron, E2 Firefly feel little bit stronger

@liquid_cheese9930 29 дней назад

The main benefit of E2 FF is that it's really difficult to die with her if you are running a no sustain team because enemy is pretty much always in a broken state. Also supports on her team could run triple DDD with almost no downsides which is super significant

@akmal1264 Месяц назад

cool now bring them to apocalyptic shadow and pure fiction

@kazuhara. 29 дней назад

Weirdly dhil is 10x better in apoc shadow then ruan mei for second half Dhil is trash in pf though lmfaoooooooo

@GeneralKnightmare 29 дней назад

Bro outside of Dolphins who has E2 Sparkle and Ruan Mei lmao. I'll take my E2 Firefly with two f2p units and E0 Ruan Mei over that cash grab.

@TheLastGhostLegendario 16 дней назад

Probably the right answer is FF but also not at the same time. While FF is a monster on her own, we need to take on account: DHIL was released 1 year ago and seeing how powercreep is going and he was released in a time were the best DPS were Jin Yuan and Blade makes this infinetly impresive + we dont have a new set for BA buffs + he does pure damage unconditionally. If someone ask me who is the most powerful, i will say FF but not because she is better than DHIL, but because he is old, but the guy is just a monster.

@AiisakaTaiiga 27 дней назад

E2 DHIL: unrelatable E2 Firefly: relatable

@isolick1835 29 дней назад

for firefly to have a sig relic set a sig ornament set a support specifically made for her and a the MoC buff is designed for specifically her E2 DHIL is a more consistent dps since he can perform just as well with a only a "sig" ornament set firefly has every tool to out perform and she does by only one turn

@janablom823 Месяц назад

Firefly is better because your Firefly relics are relatable

@Melkor-87 29 дней назад

10:55 base

@Andrei-te1pk 29 дней назад

e2 dhill its insane man, even now is one of the best unit in the game

@The_CodFish69 29 дней назад

Yup still being a top 5 DPS almost a year later is insane however that’s only for E2 at E0 Seele is actually better than him lol.

@Tiasung 29 дней назад

@@The_CodFish69 Yeah but in both cases this is with Sparkle, a fairly new unit.

@The_CodFish69 29 дней назад

@@Tiasung true

@Andrei-te1pk 29 дней назад

@@The_CodFish69 yep i agree, i have him e0 but he struggles in some end game content

@deltaspecies1697 25 дней назад

@@The_CodFish69at E0, Seele is better than pretty much every dps

@Max-x21 29 дней назад

Strongest E2 in History vs Strongest E2 of Today

@The_CodFish69 29 дней назад

Acheron just sitting in the Conner I guess…

@danieliyandani3078 29 дней назад

E2 firefly, E1 RM (E2 RM doesn't work on ff) VS E2 DanIL, E2 sparkle, E2 RM Yeah E2 firefly better but both of them have the best E2 in the game (at least for DPS)

@aliounethiaw1443 29 дней назад

Quick remaider the current MOC buff not only gives an extra turn with the trotter, but also 150% Break effect and 75%atk. So yea firefly got a huge advantage compared to DHIL

@thederp9309 16 дней назад

It’s fairy type vs dragon type… fairy beats dragon…

@robertjif6337 29 дней назад

I don't have dhil, but playing FF make me realize how bad weakness lock is, that damn monkey make me waste a cycle in DU

@whitey6453 Месяц назад

Before watching the Video I would already say that E2 Firefly is better. Just cause I have both, and she does better than him while he is build and she isnt

@kazuhara. 29 дней назад

"I say so therefore it's correct" quite the fallacy if I can say so myself

@tufol33k78 29 дней назад

@@kazuhara. "I have a 20 crit sub E2 whaly DHIL, I don't deal damage POV" xD

@kazuhara. 29 дней назад

@@tufol33k78 can you be more cohesive with what you're saying I am a bit confused

@kazuhara. 29 дней назад

@@tufol33k78 it took me a while but I got it now, you were assuming I am a dhil player? Based on what, this video? I am just stating on a fallacy with no depth in their comments I have no reason to defend emo dragon boy, kinda disappointed I thought u had something of value to say

@whitey6453 29 дней назад

@@kazuhara. Im not saying im neccecarily correct. Its just my opinion based on my experience. My Dhil build is far from being very good, but I think its decent. (78cr | 160 cdmg) My firefly build is far worse from my perspective, since I still have to use 4 Star pieces (153spd | 159 BE) And from my expereince, She has better damage than him

@ravenwong651 Месяц назад

If only DHIL's E1 is good man

@thornszk Месяц назад

HSR's girlfriend will probably meet the same fate as Genshin's girlfriend. Ayaka is still strong but the endgame content is most of the time against her archetype(freeze) and she's been staying on the sidelines.

@KillaAvenger 29 дней назад

I doubt it. Genshin & HSR's playstyle are different. Genshin is more of about their reactions on certain elements, while HSR is about their DPS and being on element. Most of the time being on element doesn't matter when your DPS just does insane dmg. Ayaka's usage rate is very low in abyss due enemies being unable to be frozen. Firefly has potential to be used in the long run solely due to her fire weakness implant, it's that good. This leads her to break any enemy that has a toughness bar and do big amounts of dmg because of superbreak and such. Only negative I see with her is going up against enemies that are immune to weakness like Yangqing / Sam for awhile.

@marcusbr4259 28 дней назад

firefly carried by the devs. that fire weakness implant on skill is a crime

@jaydenng7431 Месяц назад

As someone who has both e2 units I will say. Both both are good But like meta wise they both change depending on the circumstance. If the enemy has weakness lock like Sam I'll usually bring dhil cause even if an enemy has imaginary res you can usually brute force it fairly easily like the aventurine boss fight. But e2 ff is better for those situations. They're both amazing e2 units and both are flexible only difference is they have different versions of flexibility (still tho they can both get 0cycles on pretty much any content so it doesn't matter much to me)

@user-mk5jj4dz6n Месяц назад

What about Acheron E2?

@Kspice9000 25 дней назад

Lmao. I can safely say she shreds both fights.

@thederp9309 16 дней назад

E2 Acheron just makes her more flexible… but the main reason it’s focused on so much is because it’s Acheron… DHIL’s and Firefly’s e2 are by far leagues of improvement for the character and it’s not really comparable to any other eidolons in the game…

@JRPG_Master Месяц назад

E2 DHIL clears.

@Sam-ww3rm Месяц назад

Strongest E2 DHIL or Firefly- Acheron am I a joke to you?, E2 Acheron with Sparkle, Pela and Gepard/Aven is the strongest no doubt, change my mind.

@gregoryzeng9901 Месяц назад

E2 Acheron average cycle clears isn't even beating E2 DHIL, she's really not as overpowered as people make her out to be... A lot of people likely still don't realize that damage consistency and distribution is more important than what Acheron does which is overinflating her ult damage numbers by overkilling when it legit does not matter.

@Sam-ww3rm 29 дней назад

@@gregoryzeng9901 ok I don't now about other people, I legit clear everytime MoC with Acheron 0 cycle, u need to make sure your preservation sustain(preferably Gepard is her best sustain because of his increased aggro) has the trend lightcone and with the future release of Jiaoqui she will be even powerful

@The_CodFish69 29 дней назад

⁠@@Sam-ww3rmbut that being said his Debuff doesn’t work with Trend because they both count as a Debuff on the opponents turn.

@Sam-ww3rm 29 дней назад

@@The_CodFish69 what are you talking about?, his skill can freeze(if you have E1 even better), and enemies hit him many times in a cycle all getting burned and getting stacks for Acheron, I can literally ult 2 times in the 1st cycle with Acheron,after cycle 1 then 1 ult per cycle is easily obtainable

@The_CodFish69 29 дней назад

@@Sam-ww3rm trend of the universal market doesn’t Stack with the Debuff form Jai’s Ult because they both count as a Debuff in the same turn. Of course Gep’s Freeze give a Debuff but still the LC and Jai don’t stack also why use Gep he’s sustain is Mid af in endgame I know until I got Mr Drip I was stuck using him in my Acheron team.

@_an1s_ Месяц назад

Serra cooked this time lol

@FonKard 29 дней назад

Also, guys, Pokke was speaking about ANOTHER break support. But there is NO basic attack support yet. Sparkle only gives skill points, but doesnt provide bonuses for basic attack. DHIL will skyrocket one day if Hoyo wont mess this up

@carreeesf6176 29 дней назад

Prolly wouldn't make a support that specific ngl

@Tiasung 29 дней назад

DHIL is a SP spam specialist, not so much an AA specialist. Meaning Sparkle already skyrockets him. She doesnt just give SP, she also gives damage and advance forward. Wanting anything more then that is very greedy.

@The_CodFish69 29 дней назад

I guess DHIL with AF, ATK%, DMG%, Res Pen, Def Ignore, Crit boost and extra SP isn’t enough of a boost for you lol…

@KinqTV Месяц назад

Just pull e2 acheron and e2 ff then forget about game mechanics

@Hououin818 Месяц назад

Inb4 they'll add 50 enemies with weakness lock and you can't ignore it with FF anymore

@The_CodFish69 Месяц назад

@@Hououin818like the 4/5 already in game that get naked b4 they can even fo that ability... The one stand out is Sam but in this locked state no one really damages him anyway.

@Tiasung 29 дней назад

Me with both: can confirm. I have a second account with just E0S0 Acheron and its worlds apart. Even tho that account also has DHIL (w/o LC tho) and E2S1 Jingliu. DHIL without LC and Sparkle is just copium. And Jingliu's E2 is very weak compared to DHIL, Acheron, Firefly. Both of them get hit hard when fighting against resistant element (but esp Jingliu against Cocolia, Yanqing, Geppard, etc)

@T3hS14ppy Месяц назад

After reading her e1 and e2, there's no way DHIL is a better damage unit than Firefly. Her E1 makes her skill point neutral and her E2 turns her into an erudition unit and a hunt unit on top of being a major destruction unit. Both need limited banner supports. The difference is investment and viability at endgane. Like i said, her e1 and e2 are basically for Pure Fiction, SU, and other endgame content. My dhil is straight up for MoC and killing 30 warp trotters in SU. That's it. Benched for everything else. E2 Firefly is literally made for everything. Watching Firefly swoon over MC while they were doing shenanigans on the Feldspar was adorable. "If i win, i get your chest!"

@source324 Месяц назад

E2 Acheron betta (i need my daily reminder)

@Andrew99994 Месяц назад

everything but toughness locked enemies apparently 😂

@mpred8606 Месяц назад

oh boy firefly demolishes every single trotter in SU adventure domain she's practically a nuke

@shadow-faye Месяц назад

@SpittersRQuitters is she good for that? I wouldn't have thought so

@shotgunammo Месяц назад

What makes u think she wouldnt be good at that, her technique hits all of em

@Scythra Месяц назад

RU-vid frogs 🐸 with the most intelligent answers. Twitch frogs 🐸 simping for FF 😭😂😂😂

@faded_evil 29 дней назад

IL : 3 limited unit FF : 2 limited unit So FF still take extra W

@anthonyye8629 Месяц назад

Firefly have insanely high floor while crit dps have higher ceiling

@Steve-uf5yf Месяц назад

Yes this

@The_CodFish69 Месяц назад

Same can be said for FF we still have no SB modifiers yet so if we can a upgrade over HMC we'll see a massive boost.

@setsunaaottg291 Месяц назад

Here before the saltiest comments.

@recker4267 Месяц назад

clearly E2 ff is better, brud compared a E2 ff with a E2 DHIL + E2 sparkle + E2 ruan mei, at this point u are comparing E2 ff to a E6 unit

@christophermauro-barias7451 Месяц назад

rip

@busy5667 Месяц назад

Nuclear damage

@yamigamer1175 29 дней назад

e2 firefly is useless in this moc because enime die before the extra turn littarlly suffering from success

@justdean664 Месяц назад

DHIL E2 still the Goat of the streets, the streets dont fortget

@unholyarthur1 Месяц назад

I think E1 Firefly is just too good, way better than most eidolon in the entire game. It's so good that it's on the same level, if not better than e6 level of eidolon.

@thornszk Месяц назад

Jingliu gets that at e0

@zhoxnq6776 29 дней назад

at e1 she becomes jingliu at e2 she becomes seele

@Reversely Месяц назад

Players are just trying to find a way to complain and cap about everything. E0 Firefly literally demolishes E0 DHIL, E1 AND E2 Firefly is the biggest upgrade of her kit, while DHIL only benefits huge from E2. Firefly's 1 or 2 turn literally dishes out Acheron damage while still leaving you with 2 more turns on the cycle in addition to the team damage. DHIL on the other hand is the only damage dealer, big damage but not enough to reach it and in some cases there can be inbalances on sp even with sparkle on.

@treasure9342 Месяц назад

I think ur last point of sometimes u will find skillpoint in balance is ngl, just a skill issue

@angkaiyang8598 Месяц назад

yeah having issues with sp while having sparkle is skill issue

@nooone1387 Месяц назад

Also Acheron and DHIL loses out to FF in dmg but they are much more universal. As in they can still demolish any type of enemies they come across, unlike FF who becomes bottom tier against a lot of enemies that just locks their toughness bar (and i mean a lot more than I would like tbh)

@Reversely Месяц назад

Nevermind about the sp, I guess that only happens on E0S0. However it still depends on the player, but the point is with firefly you don't really need to manage your sp as much.

@treasure9342 Месяц назад

@@Reversely the sp thing as e0s0 DHIL is a......still no? Still skill issue

@kaseyatakahashi9753 Месяц назад

this is why you dont pull rerun dps nor plan to pull eidolons on rerun cause by the that time, they just feel outdated and weak or a better unit is already out. If they have 50% off on rerun then yeah it is fair but that is not the case.

@treasure9342 Месяц назад

At this scale of power creep, I think a good idea would put chars like seele jingyuan blade loucha, and all the standard Chars in the shop with the lightcones at start of 3.0....I feel like that would just be fair just for people who want to get them and/or there eidalons

@nuriman2558 Месяц назад

@@treasure9342 They can't do that, because there would be heavy backlash from the players that fund the game (aka spending money on Eidolons). Might be illegal, but I ain't too sure on that one. Also, that would imply that all characters are to be added to the shop after a certain period?

@treasure9342 Месяц назад

@@nuriman2558 how is that illegal, a ton of gacha games do exactly what I said? Also ya all chars that get very powercrept would get added to the shop, but not till there very powercrept ofcourse

@Ilikegames804 Месяц назад

@@nuriman2558 That ain't illegal it's the logical progression of all gacha games. Hoyoverse has already have done this before.

@robnoob6820 Месяц назад

thats why u pull supports, dps come and go, supports stay forever

@shjinriven3408 Месяц назад

Dhil is better overall because you can brute force all boses unlike FF sam and bronya boss counters her because she can't break them.

@ayushadiga480 29 дней назад

EEEEEEEEE SIX

@Tiasung 29 дней назад

''E2 dhil because he is keeping up with a 2.0 unit without even benefiting from moc buff'' - Nah, that's mad copium. Gallagher was there to make use of the moc buff. And he is 'keeping up with a 2.0 unit' by using another 2.0 unit.

@kazuhara. 29 дней назад

I don't get this take, it's so narrow minded bruh Acheron can't clear without nihility units Firefly can't do a 10 cycle without ruan mei These statements are practically useless, what are u even saying

@HermsWorldWide 29 дней назад

@@kazuhara.They just yap I swear

@kazuhara. 29 дней назад

@@HermsWorldWide ikr

@amirismith9350 Месяц назад

11:58 "We are lacking a basic attack 4pc" Casually forgets that Musketeer of Wild Wheat has been there the entire game.

@treasure9342 Месяц назад

But it's dmg boost is so negligible

@Gration_ Месяц назад

Dhil IS lacking any kind of specialized set, let alone one that scales off of SP spent, that's actually decent. This is like saying FF or boothill already had shooting star and didn't need Calvary, and that's a whole 10% DMG loss. Ridiculous take.

@MarcoM512 Месяц назад

@Gration_ way more than 10% for firefly since you'd always be using her with hmc unless you really need 2 teams with superbreak

@Gration_ Месяц назад

@@MarcoM512 Was just comparing shooting star to Calvary.

@amirismith9350 Месяц назад

@Gration_ I see your point. But, I'm a casual who uses musketeer and rutilant arena as a build for dhil since the imaginary set is too inconsistent for damage. I didn't have a regular way of imprisoning enemies, so I defaulted to something with a more reachable condition to meet. (70% crit vs. Imprison for the Crit DMG buff) or Plus, the bulk of damage for dhil is in his basic, not his ult, so it scales higher, in my opinion.