If you are fighting against wind weak enemies (which is why you bring feixiao anyways) an E4 Bronya can perform great in place of Robin. This allows you to use Robin in the other team of either memory of chaos or apocalyptic shadow, or if you don’t own her and can’t afford to get her. Robin propaganda is real, top teammate for Feixiao in terms of strength (from strongest first) is her + e4+ bronya (if wind weak) -> e1s1 topaz -> e6 moze -> e6 march -> bronya. However, you are probably much better of getting robin’s e1 if you don’t own topaz and sticking with moze/march, or even an e0/1/2 bronya. Pulling priority is as follows (meta wise): E0 Robin -> E0 Feixiao -> S1 Feixiao -> E1 Robin -> S1 Robin -> E1+ Feixiao At the end of the day, this is just a video game, so pull for who you like the most.
@acow1348 of course, march 7th and topaz doesn't have that much of a difference, there is already the math out there. Whereas e2 feixiao literally increase her ultimate frequency by alot. And also having 1 strong character will have a higher chance for that character to stay in the meta rather than two mediocre character. Since new character are bound to be powercrept
I’m glad Bronya works alright with her even if it’s not 0 cycle, as long as I can 3 star clear idc, she deserves some love. I love the idea of those two being on the same team. They give similar vibes with gunblades and being like a position of authority and also being wind… I’m excited for Fei’s release 😁
Interesting that finally E4 Bronya has a new niche to play with that followup instead of just being a useless gimmick. I wanna see more of what other high eidolon base 5star is able to do
@@zbxbiiin- Lingsha may or might not be more SP hungry, but she would still have more FuA against less attacking enemies. You saying otherwise doesn't change their kit.
@@TheTenzen12 im not trying to change her kit im just saying a break effect healer doesn't do as much as aventurine does to feixiao she does not do more follow ups then Aventurine he is a mile better then lingsha, the amount of times feixiao and moze do follow ups for aventurine is crazy he'll do his follow in no time good shield and a increase crit dmg debuff. Even with less attacking enemies Aventurine is still better. Either you don't have Aventurine or idk
i was pretty excited when i got my e4 bronya. however i was dissapointed to realize that the follow up attack from bronya doesnt trigger the 30% action advance from her talent :(
Yeah bronya can't advance herself nor it triggers from her follow up. bronya is mentioned as a partner for robin bc of more passive procs robin can do from bronyas follow ups but thats it. idk if thats enough to make bronya more then a buffer. Id probably run yunli with fei instead. Maybe bronyas buff will outdo her but on paper it looks stronger to have her just counter instead
I honestly want to see someone tru to use Jade E1 as Feixiao Sub-DPS. Why? Because some enemy tend to have mobs spawning left right like the deer or phantylia.. Since every hit from Feixiao, including her fua, counts as 3 stacks each.. Jade could help clear the mobs and add extra stack to feixiao, while fei focus on the main boss.. Sure it will be awful compared to the likes of Moze, March, Topaz.. Tho i just want to see..
@@definiteIynotkenji feixiao isnt acheron. She's not restricted to having a specific path unit with her😂 March hunt, moze, and topaz are all used with her because they attack frequently with follow up to generate stacks, and they buff feixiao's damage (march hunt gives plenty of buffs, moze and topaz debuffs enemies). They all just happened to be hunt charas
I am more impressed with Hoolay than the new chars like wtf is that boss, he is so god damn tanky and hits a lot of times within a cycle. I don’t even have aventurine tp survive this shit on release
@@sector1minos1 it would but march preservation isnt preserving shit... while only giving 1/4th of aventurines output if you get lucky u are better off using gal [f2p] fu xuan [ 12% crit rate boost ] or hou hou
i'm pretty sure yes you can definitely pull her, the alternatives are March 7th hunt, Moze and Gallagher if i'm not wrong, Lingsha is also pretty good with her as well if you want to pull her but she runs in second half of next patch (not sure of this but I can see it happening) Bronya is a pretty solid option too if you have her
@@andretanza6230 without enough fua she will stack her ult slow so I would just say pull if you really want her and don’t care about functionality. If you plan on getting more fua characters it’s fine to get her too .. if you aren’t into fua then she won’t perform at her highest potential
Hunt March, and/or Moze for Topaz replacements. Gallagher (if he isn’t on your other team) is a decent sustain for her and sp positive! So can fill Aventurines place if needed (otherwise any sustain works) So she can work without them. But if you’re looking to make some strong teams, I’d only recommend getting her if you’re planing to invest in fua. But hey she’s easy on the eyes maybe that’s enough for you!
Actually nope the most important thing for Feixiao is a good FUA teammate they are even more important then Supports hence why low cost runs use only Robin and 2 sub DPS to 0 cycle him.
Topaz 50% fua vulnerability is much stronger than pela with s5 luka lc or 60%crit dmg buff from march hunt(aslong your feixiao have more than 150%cdm) even more stronger than bronya dmg buff, cuz feixiao have self dmg boost. What better from bronya is she can advance foward feixiao, but still i prefer robin than bronya. Further information that vulnerability are multiply the final dmg taken by enemy, so in result topaz will always win specialy if you paired her with robin , numby will abuse robin concerto buff & numby Will have more action with other fua teammate like aventurine. (Meaning more stack & more dmg for feixiao)
@@doom7607 if you need a Sustain or don’t care about Cost then he’s amazing in this fight because Hoolay has like 500 SPD so he attacks like 10 times a cycle with most of them AoE so he gets off a ton of FUAs. So unless you got the E4+ Broyna and are trying a low cost run then yes then he is definitely better then her, the top 5 character of this fight Besides Feixiao are Robin, March, Moze, Aven and Broyna.
Have you or can you do a march vs moze comparison? I thought moze would be better but people told me apparently march is better? I dont have topaz and dont think i ever will pull for her
I only have e2 bronya so maybe ill just get feixiao on her rerun. Isn't if you run penacony ornament set feixiao kinda benefits on it's 10 dmg up cause her and bronya were same wind type?
as a day 1 player who has e4s1 bronya and e0s0 aventurine/robin planning to pull e0s1 feixiao I am going to pretend I somehow caused this video to happen targeting the very specific set of circumstances I'm pulling from lmao.
Thanks for the guide. I don't have many spins and I don't know who is better to spin😢. I have a full break pack with Firefly, but no wind dd. Should I spin faceiao e0s1 maybe s1 or is it better to spin lingshu e1s0?
You should *ALWAYS* let Feixiao proc her FUA first before you Ult, to make sure her two dmg buff passive proc, that’s how you maximize her damage potential when compared to her V2 self which requires no timing at all since the damage scaling used to be straight forward in the Ult damage % alone. The usage of FUA before her Ult is especially important if you wear the new Relic set (4pc) that is basically cater made for her. So, even if you have 12 stacks, you would go: Skill > FUA > Ultimate _Wait for another turn so FUA can reproc_ FUA > Ultimate
Could I achieve the same without Adventurine im still hoping they have a rerun soon also i noticed you didn't put bronya signature on is the 4 star lc better for her?
I still think it's crazy people pulled 5 copies of a non-rate up standard character already. There's really only two types of people who would have an E4 Bronya: 1. Someone with incredible early pull luck but always lose the 50 50 on them 2. A whale/spender fishing for E2 or E6 on every limited I recognize the value of this comparison, but feel like this is going to just age better in a few years than have actual impact to most people now or in the short-term. Cost to benefit wise...E0S1 Robin is typically more realistic and manageable to get than an E4 Bronya. The only balance to this is that Battle Is Not Over is a purchasable LC, but you're still way over costed on trying to pull the same needle from a haystack 5 times. Good stuff though all around.
I mean... I have E4 Himeko and E3 clara, didn't choose either of them, have Bronya E2 even though I chose her from selector. Might sound weird but I still want more himekos to have E6 Himeko lol
Or you know, they're like me with e3s1 bronya, e2s1 clara, e2 himeko but still no gepard or welt. My 50/50 win rate is 66.66% (5 loss out of 19 5 star on rate up, and 5 out of 7 5 stars on standard is chara), when I lose they just end up as those three lmao
So likely 100k from Harmony buff ( Robin/Bronya ) and clearly her og dmg is around 200k without buff ( with wind weakness ) with her LC ( might be lower than this without it ) .That OK dmg for a hunt with full set
I was legit just asking some homies about this exact thing yesterday. In getting my fei i won my 50/50 to my last eidolon for Bronya. So my bronya is now e6s2. My robin is e0s1. Kindaaaaaa feeling bronya more ngl Only issue is i dont have Aventurine :( Oh. And you didnt show you Marchs stats. Care to share them please?
@@Keifer-- bronya at e6 becomes a powerhouse for fei, as her skill buffs now extend to the next turn and can affect fei’s fua and ults outside her turn if you don’t have aventurine your next best options are lingsha/gallagher oh and march had a 96/144 crit ratio running 4p pioneer + 2p rutilant using cruising in the stellar sea
@@f1shssss oooo true. yeah i realized having that extra turn on bronya skill allows for better Skill point management and length of damage increases. I moved around alot of sets on my account after coming back and i have her at 140 spd on break set with ruan mei arti lol. gives longer dmg boost, gives more break to the team, and is a 100% chance every ult to give a skill point back. scuffed currently as i would like more crit dmg but hey. im making do with what i got lol. best speed set is on gallagher and my sparkle. gallagher it is. ran him with them and got my moc 12 cleared this week :,) mmmmm okieeee. once i finally unlock march hunt (recently came back aafter a long break) ill have to farm up for her and hopefully can get similiar stat lines. ill pray to the crit gods though lolol thanks for the reply and insight! !
Ok guys, serious question : Speaking of Feixiao, Robin and Aventurine, who is the best for them : Moze, Topaz or March? It seems like i missed the answer to this question if there is one
@@smartfox3836half true, topaz is her best driver due to high proc per turn, tbf you can run hyperspeed topaz with minimum crit investment and its already good to go + sp bonus issue 😈😈
Topaz by a huge mile of course. Like the other guy above me said, her attacks aren’t as fast but she can give free FuA dmg and cdmg. Just slap on speed boost on her, aim for like 134 speed (which should be easy since topaz has 110 base speed)
I got Robin and March Hunt, if I were to get Feixiao, who should be the sustainer? The only ones I got are Huohuo, Fu Xuan and Gallagher. But Gallagher is in my firefly team right now
@@ihate.promax1140 i cant really say much since I don't know what else you have on your account, or your level of investment on characters rn but fu xuan is still a great choice. the feixiao + robin combo is already super strong by itself
I have to skip feixiao because I need robin for ratio and Clara + I’d also possibly like to pull for either Kafka or dr ratio light cone. Plus I feel like feixiao’s optimal team will be lingsha, hunt march/topaz/moze and bronya/robin which as someone who doesn’t have robin will be way too expensive for me rn + lingsha is in the 2nd phase
I'd have to disagree with lingsha. Imo aventurine is a much better support being more sp positive with more synergies to fua. Lingsha isnt as sp positive, and is more synergistic with superbreak
@@flaria185 that’s true but I believe she will help generate more ult stacks than adventurine especially since the amount of times adventurine attacks is partially affected by how aggressive the enemies are where as lingsha is more consistent in that department. I think it will ultimately depend on the teammates. Hunt march literally uses her skill once (unless you’re doing an insane tech) so she’s super sp positive. Topaz can basic from time to time, so can robin if needed.
@@Joey-nc5cf my problem with lingsha is fuyuan dont exists unless she uses her skill. They are only 90 speed so very slow unless you use skill to advance forward. And they disappear after attacking so you need to use skill. Having 1 sp generator for 2 characters that want to skill almost/every turn doesnt seem viable to me. And if your 4th is robin/bronya who either doesnt generate sp or uses more then its just worse. With aventurine's fua keep in mind that it stacks from ally fua which feixiao, march, topaz, moze will do a lot of. It might end up pretty equal, use aven for aggressive fights like hoolay, and lingsha for debuff heavy fights. But ngl fast gallagher with qpq might just work as well if you run the bronya robin galla core
@@flaria185 I mean yeah because of Gallagher existing and the Gallagher robin bronya core I can’t see lingsha being high value pull anyway as of right now. But yeah I’m sure adventurine and lingsha will become situationally better than each other.
I dont understand why we need this comparisons Having e4s1 bronya while being f2p or only monthly card & battle pass is crazy rare Vice versa, whales always have more than e0s0 robin It looks like a sale promotion for robin rather than a comparison lol
the wind weak only applies for bronya's E4 ability to trigger: After any other allied character uses Basic ATK on an enemy target that has Wind Weakness, Bronya immediately launches 1 instance of follow-up attack, dealing Wind DMG to this target by an amount equal to 80% of Basic ATK DMG. This effect can only trigger once per turn. the ally doesnt have to be wind type or do toughness damage to activate this, as you can see many times in the video aventurine triggers bronya's e4 multiple times
Is Bronya's E4 follow up not also considered a basic attack? You'd think it would be considered a basic attack so it would benefit from her 100% crit chance with her trace. Otherwise the E4 is a completely useless Eidolon in 99.9% of cases except for gaining a couple more aurelius stacks.
I noticed that too. I just checked and it doesn't exactly say if it's counted as a basic or not. It says, "Bronya immediately launches a follow-up attack on the target, dealing Wind DMG equal to 80% of Bronya's Basic ATK DMG." so with the way it's worded I guess not, which is dumb cause its either useless like you said or your left putting CR on a Bronya which is unnecessary for the rest of her kit, and I doubt they would change that cause they never buff the standard banner characters.
@@sryprm the next best thing would be fu xuan for the 12% crit rate and her good sustain. If no fuxuan then it’s just whoever will keep the team alive. They won’t be adding any synergy to feixiao anyways. Adventurine is the only fua sustain so anyone else won’t add to her fua. Fuxuan will give 12 crit rate so it’s better then plane abundance
short answer: gallagher with s5 quid pro quo is the best for you long answer: i lowkey think that the robin + bronya + quidproquo gallagher is the strongest team core in the game; bronya allows robin to enter ult immediately and gallagher funnelling energy into robin is basically 100% ult uptime. basic->ult->basic with a high speed gallagher is also a lot of actions for robin's damage, so yes gallgher is the best substitute for aventurine. aventurine only does slightly better if the boss attacks a lot of times, triggering his fua more than a standard gallagher combo (e.g., hoolay has a base spd of 264, reaching up to 540 with max moonrage, even without counting attacks from his summoned wolftroopers is a lot of hits per cycle. but if your units are fast enough, which they should be, gallagher performs amazing.
@@itsukiii3903 Then who can i use to beat hoolay? I hate when hsr does this to f2p players being lucky isn't an excuse for hoyoverse to just let us get the characters we need for fei xiao
• Passive: Every ally's attack gives 0.5 Flying Aureus. E2 increases this to 1 for follow-up attacks. if allies performed 2 follow up attacks, then E2 Feixiao gets 2 Flying Aureus not 3 (which would be the case if Passive and E2 can stack)
I don't have Robin but got a E0 Bronya, is she a good substitute at E0 ? I will not have primo for both FeiXiao and Robin, and asking myself if that would be enough support for her...
@@TrapConnoisseur. 1st. I didn't mention anything about the damage. 2nd. Since you brought up the topic anyway, lemme see your Huohuo, Fu Xuan or Luocha do 35k
@@Theunluckiest5437 I mean my aventurine deals 45k a pop. And you said fraudlee? Which I think Is referring to seele. Where she deals much more than 35k
He is a beta player, hoyoverse always releases a beta of the next version in all their games, but getting into the beta is quite random and you have to sign a contract with the company
Prioritize getting robin first cause Robin boost her dmg so much even she can 0cycle hoolay with 2 cost because of robin, she is amazing but robin is more amazing
that's what I'm thinking. Is there some hidden tech I don't know or is it the worse speedtuned Bornya or all time. You can see from the Action value that Bronya had +1 speed on Feixiao, one substat will make the worlds difference.
5:21 to account for march 7th's shifu speed buff, and bronya's e4 speed boost to maintain feixiao->bronya-> feixiao after 1st bronya skill. 3 feixiao actions still managed to 0 cycle the 1st wave. Feixiao is using atk boots on the bronya march team
So, a small 1 cycle with Robin, could be a 0 cycle with better RNG/stats and tuning. And 2 cycles with E4 Bronya that could in the same way, become a 1 cycle. I'm not Robinless thankfully, but if I had E4 Bronya, I'd definitely try this out because her FUA feels so random, it gets me every time.
yeah I don't see bronya doing so well with feixiao feixiao skill advancing fucks up -1 spd bronya cycles which gives you no reason to use bronya over any buffers (if feixiao doesn't have the advancement then she would prob go really well with bronya with double action strat, fei gimmicks is wanting to attack alot yeah if using a unit that just wastes your sp and doesn't do anything other than advancing the dps a lil bit faster and some crit buffs) she's a singular buffer overalls shouldn't expect her to be good in a non hc teams
